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Board of Education Candidates Q&A

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Board of Education Candidates Q&A
The general election is Nov. 4. Read below for candidates' responses to your questions.

Ron Bird

Joe Chmelik

Donna Crook

Angie Fish

Kathryn Groth
   [OCT. 28] What do you think of the idea of requiring students to wear uniforms ? Why ?
What do you think of the idea of requiring teachers to teach exclusively to the Maryland high stakes testing program ? (Bob Tansey, in Frederick)

I think BOE should look at the possibility of students wearing uniforms, but they need to have public input before any policy is enacted.

Using the term of “teaching to the test” can be confusing. To teach only those items needed to pass a test is the wrong way to educate our students. If you mean the Maryland State High School Assessment (HSA) Tests, the state and county curriculums should be adequate enough for the teachers to cover the necessary information for the students to pass these tests. If the students can’t pass the tests then the BOE needs to determine what is the cause of failure and correct it. This correction should not be a “band-aid” by teaching just to the information on the tests. The students need to know that the world does not always give them a narrow focus of information to get by.


Question: What do you think of the idea of requiring students to wear uniform?

My Response: Requiring students to wear uniforms is an excellent idea. It is not a new idea. Most all private schools have a dress code. All military schools require uniforms. Uniforms are required dress in most all schools in the orient. Uniforms convey a sense of discipline in an organization. Since deputy sheriffs have been assigned to some of our schools, I can only surmise that there are some serious disciplinary problems there. Recently, all the spectators at a football game between two of our high schools were required to leave the stadium due to fights in the crowd. This bespeaks of serious disciplinary problems. Requiring uniforms would be a good start. Uniforms would also resolve immodest dress problems.

Question: What do you think of the idea of requiring teachers to teach exclusively to the Maryland high stakes testing program?

My Response: An outstanding teacher left one of our high schools because of this dictum. He now teaches at an exclusive private school. When he left he said: "I want to teach my students how to write, not how to pass a test that says they can write."


Response expected by 2 p.m. Oct. 29

Response expected by 2 p.m. Oct. 29

Regarding requiring students to wear uniforms: While I know that supposedly the wearing of uniforms helps school discipline and probably student achievement, I remember well the hue and cry a few years back when the subject of a mandatory dress code/uniform policy was addressed in Frederick County. There simply wasn't (and probably still isn't) public support for this in our community. Without a significant amount of public support for something like this, it would never work. Other than that, however, I am not personally against the wearing of uniforms by students.

Regarding "teaching to the test:" I absolutely do not believe teachers should teach solely to any test. That surely violates their academic freedom and it is certainly not the best thing for the students, either. I do know that certain course curriculum is aligned with the Maryland Voluntary State Curriculum. This is to ensure that students cover the material that will be tested on the state assessments (namely, the MSA and the HSA). The Maryland VSC is the standard for all schools in the state. It is considered the appropriate information we want our students to master.

   [OCT. 28] The Frederick County Board of County Commissioners is in the process of discussing a proposal that would, if adopted, apply the County’s school Adequate Public Facilities Ordinance within municipalities. Currently, six Frederick County municipalities have not adopted an ordinance that addresses the adequacy of public schools. Do you support requiring municipalities to adopt a 100 percent school capacity threshold? (Catherine Forrence, in Emmitsburg)

Presently the BOE operates schools county wide and I cannot see getting municipalities involved in the operation of our schools. This would put another government into the mix. Let’s keep the number of bureaucratic layers of government to a minimum. The BOE and County Commissioners is enough for right now.

There needs to be a test for school adequacy in the municipalities. There also needs to be a process for hearing appeals for exceptions. Sometimes projections for school enrollment are wrong, as they were this year. Enrollment projections must be open for scrutiny to interested parties.


Response expected by 2 p.m. Oct. 29

Response expected by 2 p.m. Oct. 29

In general, I don't think the County government should force anything on the municipalities. However, in the case of our public schools, they are all county funded. In this case, I believe the BOCC has a responsibility to the citizens of Frederick County to control school overcrowding through such measures as an Adequate Public Facilities Ordinance (APFO).

   [OCT. 27] What is your opinion about minority parent groups or other elected officials using mis-information or out-of-context information to push a particular agenda on FCPS when the results will be determental to the education process? (Eric Percy, in Frederick)

My experience as a law enforcement officer has taught me to analyze everything, when someone starts quoting facts on information. I feel I am well qualified to challenge people who are trying to influence the BOE to make a decision that will favor their agenda.


this question is fraught with ambiguity and innuendo. You should ask Mr. Percy to be specific.


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I have always been one to seek out all of the information prior to making a decision. Parents are emotionally tied to decisions regarding their children, and rightfully so. As a board member, it will be my responsibility to analyze the presented information, look at all of the facts and then make decisions based upon what is best for the children.


I don't approve of anyone using misinformation or out of context information to push any agenda, political, educational or any other.

   [OCT. 27] Even before TERC Investigations were adopted as the primary resource for teaching math, parents have found that they had to re-teach their children math skills due to the way they are taught in the county. Do you agree with this concern? What would you do to address it? (Tom Neumark)

Apparently the way the parents learned math was better then what is being done presently. I think we also need to put more responsibility on our teachers and administrators. I say this for a personal reason. I have two grandsons in the Loudon County School System. The oldest one is in the eighth grade this year. Last year in the seventh grade he had difficulties with Algebra One and received little help or compassion from his teacher. He received a ”D” for his effort. This year he is taking Algebra One again and is earning an “A” at this time and is enjoying it a lot more. I am not totally blaming the teacher but I was able to help him some last year because his teacher would not take the time to help him.

There was a parent at one of our forums, who is an engineer and he expressed a concern that he learned math and wondered why we are not teaching the way he learned.

We need to look back occasionally to what worked and use it.


If parents have concerns of any kind I would like to know what they are. I do not know how math is taught in our schools, but, if elected, I will find out, and take appropriate action.


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I believe all parents will need to support any school wide curriculum. Children are unique and require enrichment from their parents. Parents need to be actively involved in the education of their children whether they attend public or private school or are home-schooled. It’s their responsibility.


Since this year is a whole new year for the Investigations textbook series to be used as a resource text for our elementary math curriculum, we are awaiting the data that will tell us about the effectiveness of the program. I highly encourage any and all parents to work with their children on their math - as well as all other curriculum areas. If there is seen to be a gap, my advice is to talk to the child's classroom teacher!

   [OCT. 27] Reducing class sizes is a popular intiative, but the evidence suggests that across-the-board class size reduction is not effective at improving academic achievement, and is very expensive. (See http://edpro.stanford.edu/hanushek/content.asp?contentId=73) Do you support reducing class sizes? (Tom Neumark, in Point of Rocks)

I would like to see the BOE find a way to reduce class size. Let’s think outside the box for a minute. Ways to reduce class size and put a hold on new construction would be to consider year around school. This offers other possibilities also. Parents could schedule vacations at different times of the year. It would also give teachers the opportunity to earn extra pay by working some or all of their scheduled time off since the schools would still be operating.


"As the pupil-teacher ratio has gone down almost 40 percent from 1955 to 1999 and class sizes have shrunk accordingly, student achievement has not only failed to rise, but has dropped...Perhaps more startling is the fact that classrooms in South Korea, which invariably walks away with first prize in the math and science contents, have an average of forty-nine youngsters in 8th grade classrooms, more than double the size of those in America." "The Conspiracy of Ignorance" by martin L. Gross.

"Most studies show little relationship between class size and student achievement...In the debate about class size reduction, the issue of teacher quality is often overlooked. To have smaller classes, schools must hire more teachers. Many parents assume that these will all be good teachers. That's not a safe bet. Qualified people aren't always available...Highly effective schools may also have very large classes, as we see in many Asian countries. Catholic schools in the United States also have somewhat larger classes than public schools...yet were generally regarded as providing their pupils with a very good education." "The Educated Child" by Bennett, Finn, and Cribb

Therefore I would not support reducing class sizes.


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As a current high school teacher I do support a reduction in class size. If every child was alike and there were no discipline issues in the system, then maybe we wouldn’t need smaller class sizes. Unfortunately, this is not the case.


Teachers tell us one of the top things we could do to help them is to reduce class size. I would personally like to reduce class size across the board. However, our finance folks are telling us that in order to reduce class size by ONE student across the board, it would cost more than $4 million. I would agree, though, that from a learning standpoint, even students in large classes can learn effectively with good teaching and good curriculum. That being said, however, I am not in support of increasing class sizes in our school system.
   [OCT. 23] Will you consider restructuring the school calendar to better use the 180 required days to offer more full days instead of part or 1/2 days that waste time, energy and fuel. (Joan, in Monrovia)

This is one of my seven areas of concern, that I identified as issues we do need to address for a more financially responsible and efficient education system. The week between October 13, 2008 and October 17, 2008 is a classic example of how the students are “bounced around” and how ineffective it can be for education.

Yes


Response expected by 11 a.m Oct. 24

I would love to see our calendar restructured. Having 3 children in the Frederick County school system, we just finished juggling a week that, for lack of a better way to put it, was a total waste of time. It is not an effective use of instructional time to have children attend school for 2-3 hours in order to just count for 1 day of school. I know there are pretty strict guidelines with regards to the calendar, but we need to make our calendar work for the children and families.


After this last few weeks, questions about the calendar are the most frequent ones we get during this campaign. We all agree that last week (October 13-17) was terrible for educational consistency for our students. We have spent a tremendous amount of time each year doing the calendar and will soon be tackling that again.

At all times we as a Board endeavor to keep weeks like that last one from happening, and we will try again. I like the suggestion of eliminating the half-days for conferences, and we will work on that. That could mean adding days somewhere else. I am actually glad you asked this particular question at this particular time. We will be using the many suggestions we have received to make improvements wherever we can. We truly do understand how it disrupts families and day care arrangements, not to mention student learning.

   [OCT. 23] Are you willing to make cuts to the BOE budget that will save money and cut spending? It seems it's always done on the direct backs of children so parents, teachers, and the public cry out not to make said offered cuts, Cuts can be made that won't receive those types of outcries, are you willing to do those types of cuts? Once again thank you for your time in answering. (Joan, in Monrovia)

It is my intent to take the politics out of the budget process. The BOE has to play games with the State Delegation and County Commissioners for funding. I would like to see a change in the budget process. Since the BOE doesn’t have taxing authority, I think that it would be beneficial for everyone if the County Commissioners would be able to set aside separate tax markers specifically for education. This would allow the citizens to know what part of their taxes are dedicated to education. This would keep the BOE and the County Commissioners more fiscally responsible.


If elected I would try very hard to cut wasteful expenditures, and in a manner that would not be offensive to parents. Communicating with parents and other taxpayers about budgetary matters (and many other matters as well) is very important. In some school districts, the expenditures for each school are released every month so that all taxpayers can see what the schools are doing with our money. The Frederick County BOE refuses to disclose their expenditures in this way. I think the BOE needs to change their outlook on the disclosure and allocation of funds. If parents were better informed there might be less of an outcry when spending cuts are made.


Response expected by 11 a.m. Oct. 24

Dear Joan,

I do not believe budget cuts are the answer. Providing a safe environment and qualified staff for the education of our future requires a large budget and I believe the school system is allocated an appropriate percentage of the county budget. I do however believe that there are areas where the currently allocated funds could be used more wisely. I believe if we take a close line item approach to our budget, we can find ways to save money that will not negatively impact the children.


This will be the year when the Board of Education will have no choice but to make budget cuts. It will be painful, but the reality is, we are facing difficult times financially.

On the Board, we are now looking at our base budget to find places to cut. We realize there will be some painful consequences, but as Board members, our very important job is to balance the budget. We will find a way for this next fiscal year. This will be the year of the budget cut.

   [OCT. 23] What are you going to do for our gifted students? I have two children in 6th and 7th grade who have scored in the 99th (yes 99th) percentile since 1st grade for reading and math. They have NEVER recieved ONE SOLITARY form of encouragement or enrichment. I do it at home after realizing that gifted students are often ignored in the quest to have lower-performing students pulled up or taught English. In their middle school, one person does Renzulli "enrichment" for almost 800 kids when she is not pulled off to do tutoring for kids failing reading. What are you going to do to make sure the brightest kids in our school stay motivated and encouraged? (Wendy, in Frederick)

Although I am not presently a proponent of charter schools, this would be one area that I would be willing to consider a charter school for. We need to provide challenge and enrichment for those students that show they have the ability to excel.

I recall that in the 1940's public schools were created in Chicago and New York (and perhaps elsewhere) for exceptional students. With 40,000 students in FCPS I'm quite sure that a public school for exceptional students would be filled. This would be an excellent opportunity for a charter school with that goal in mind. Perhaps the lady who asked that question would volunteer to prepare such a request.


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I have three students in the public school system, and I must say I have experienced the opposite. My children have received enrichment and Renzulli every year since 3rd grade. I realize this is not the case at all schools, but it should be. All of our schools should have at least 1 enrichment/Renzulli instructor. I also believe we need to take a closer look at our student population to identify if additional enrichment teachers are needed. In addition, the middle school reform that has been implemented this year has been beneficial with regards to better meeting the needs of high-achieving students. I have seen a shift in the amount of time my 6th grader has been able to partake in the program.


This was the first year of the middle school reform project. A very important part of this initiative is the inclusion of special classes for highly able students in math and language arts. Special teachers and special materials of instruction are being used for them.

I was a parent of a magnet school student years ago. In fact, I advocated for gifted education back when people in this county were telling us that we didn't have gifted children in Frederick County! My son was a member of the first magnet program and it was excellent. But then, he hit middle school where there was nothing except some acceleration in math.

After years of talking about it, we finally have a credible program designed for the highly able students in our middle schools. It will get better as we are able to add more funding and with that, more staff.

Yes, Renzulli was for all kids. That has changed. These capable teachers are now enrichment specialists and they work to keep our highly able middle school students engaged and challenged. Extended time is now provided for this as the children need it.

If you have not had a chance to visit your child's middle school, please do so and ask your excellent questions. I am sure you will get much better answers this year than last. Our G&T supervisor is Mr. Ted Luck. You can reach him at Ted.luck@fcps.org. He would be happy to answer any further questions you have.

   [OCT. 21] Would you be in favor of starting a Junior ROTC program in one of our high schools?
Do you believe our school system should teach our children that homosexuality is normal and acceptable?
Because of the financial meltdown in our country , do you favor delaying or even canceling plans to construct the Public School Administration building? (Bob Tansey, in Frederick)

There is already a Junior ROTC Program (Navy) at Linganore High School at Oakdale. I would be in favor of expanding Junior ROTC to other schools. I had the opportunity to be the Battalion Command Sergeant Major of a United States Army Reserves training battalion that trained over 200 Junior ROTC cadets for two weeks during one of our two week annual training periods.

I do not believe that our school system should teach the children that homosexuality is normal and acceptable.

I think that building a new Public School Administration Building, particularly at the downtown location should be cancelled. I think there is adequate space at the Haward Road Complex for school administration offices, if there is a need to move from the current building.


Question: Would you be in favor of starting a Junior ROTC program in one of our high schools?
My Response: Absolutely. I would even assist as much as I could to get it started. About 2 years ago, in a letter that that I wrote to Michael Schaden, then president of BOE, I made a similar suggestion: "In the February 2006 issue of the Marine Corps Gazette there is an announcement that 37 High Schools throughout the United States are looking for Senior Marine Instructors (Officers) and Marine Instructors (Staff NCOs') for their Marine Corps Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps (MCJROTC). Perhaps this is the kind of program that is needed at Thomas Johnson H.S. to help teach good citizenship..."

Question: Do you believe our school system should teach our children that homosexuality is normal and acceptable?
My Response: Absolutely not. I believe that teaching children about any kind of sex,or sex abuse, (which has been approved by the current BOE, to include even 4year olds, with Leslie Mansfield and Donna Crook dissenting) is a parental responsibility. Abrogating parental responsibilities is bad policy. In addition, it is a fact that our country is a Christian country which has been teaching children since its founding that sodomy is an abomination. It appears that a goal of homosexual activists is to change or redefine that Biblical dictum. The education establishment should not be doing anything to assist these activists in achieving that goal. Interestingly, Islam teaches its adherents similarly, as our founders, and with vehement enthusiasm.

Question: Because of the financial meltdown in our country, do you favor delaying or even cancelling plans to construct the Public School Administration Building?
My response: That plan should be cancelled.


Response expected by 10 a.m. Oct. 22

1. I do not see a problem with a Junior ROTC program as long as it is strictly voluntary and does not involve active recruiting.

2. I do not believe the topic of sexuality should be a focus in our schools. I believe this is a family value issue and a topic that should be addressed at home.

3. I am in favor of delaying the construction of the administration building if it would be a cost savings to the system.


1. We currently do have an ROTC program in one of our high schools. We have a very successful Navy ROTC program at Linganore High School. It is highly regarded and highly respected.

2. Homosexuality is not taught in Frederick County Public Schools. If asked by a student, teachers are to give a simple definition of it. That is all. If a student asks further questions, the teacher will direct that student to his or her parent for further information.

3. At this time, FCPS is going ahead with the plans to build a new consolidated administration building downtown. In planning for the future, it is more expensive and less efficient to operate several aging administrative facilities than to have one location in a modern building. Our estimate is that we could save $215,000 in annual operating expenses (utilities, custodial support, mileage, general maintenance) if we eliminate multiple locations and consolidate in one location. If we had made the decision to stay in our existing buildings, we would be anticipating substantial and costly repairs to bring them up to code and keep them in a reasonable, safe working condition for the staff. Although with a new building, we would have to pay a lease for a time, but that would be offset by the cost to repair and renovate our existing buildings.

   [OCT. 21] Please describe your postion on TERC, the new math program that was purchased for $1.2 million. What were the results of the pilot programs done in Frederick County (if there is data please mention)? Also, what have been the results of other school systems that have used the program? I have done some research of my own and as a result am homeschooling my daughter in math to be sure she is receiving adequate instruction. Finally, would you support removal of the TERC math program from FCPS? (Chris Joy, in Buckeystown)

I think the BOE made a mistake in adopting the TERC investigations in math program. Two states have disallowed this program from being taught in their states. I have heard that students in this program are doing well in math but I think it is too early to rely on those results. I would seriously consider removing this program from the math curriculum once I have concrete facts to prove it is not what we want for our students. I would also try to recoup as much of the money spent on this program as possible if that can be done.

TERC should be removed from FCPS. Terc is a bad idea that was approved despite the fact that it was tried and failed in the states of Utah and Washington, and the BOE was aware of those failures. TERC was tested for three years at Lincoln Elementary School and for a year at two other elementary schools without the approval of the Board of Education whose policy is to approve any testing of new materials by FCPS. I strongly object to our children being used as guinea pigs. Ideas come relentlessly from education schools for implementation by our schools. It is likely that this has contributed to the current malaise in all our public schools, not just FCPS. "Some dubious practices slip into schools like stealth weapons, barely noticed (at least by parents) and unremarked on." (The Educated Child by Bennett, Finn, and Cribb) TERC materials are, at best, dubious, and many parents have strongly objected. Some are tutoring their children in the standard algorithms, or paying others to do it. Mathematicians have noted that children, at the end of 5 years of using TERC, are two years behind where they should be in mathematics. So if it takes a year or two for FCPS to conclude that it is not effective then those children will be behind the curve at least a year or two.

Frederick Education Reform, a group of parents who care about substantive issues in education, have met with FCPS officials and written to the Superintendent of Schools voicing their objections about TERC, but to no avail. Parents interested in more details about TERC can contact them at www,frederickeducationreform.com. There is an article about the group in the October 22nd issue of the Frederick News-Post.


Response expected by 10 a.m. Oct. 22

I personally would not have voted to purchase a new math program during these economic times. As for the program itself, I do not have a problem with it as long as it is only used as an additional resource and does not take the place of the use of standard algorithms. If elected, I would support the review of this program to ensure it is strictly being used as an additional resource rather than the primary source of instruction.

As for questions concerning the results of pilot programs, I believe that would be best answered by current board members.


FCPS did field testing for this textbook resource in 19 classrooms in three elementary schools in the County. The building principals in all three schools deemed the textbook series in improvement over the existing materials. The teachers in the field test schools expressed a desire to continue using the series as a resource. Parents were informed of the use of Investigations in their children's classrooms. None of the parents of the more than 400 children using the new materials expressed any concerns throughout the field test. The results of this field test were presented to the Board of Education who approved the series as a resource - not THE math curriculum - in April of 2008.

FCPS math curriculum specialists note that the Investigatioins textbook series aligns well with the FCPS math curriculum, aligns with the Maryland VSC (the Voluntary State Curriculum upon which the state testing program is based), and with recommendations of both the NCTM and the National Math Panel. Professional development continues with FCPS staff, and the series is scheduled to be fully implemented in K-6 in the 2009-2010 school year.

St. Mary's County, Maryland, also uses this textbook series.

I have personally observed the Investigations materials being used in some 4th grade classrooms in our county. I observed the interest and the engagement of the students as they were guided through their lessons. I observed the students learning to master math facts (in this case, multiplication tables), and then I observed the follow up activities which included some real-life examples. I do support the use of the Investigations textbook series as a math resource for our K-6 students.

Elementary Math Curriculum Specialist, Mr. Nelson Palmer, is always happy to discuss this series and any other questions, and he may be contacted through FCPS.

   [OCT. 20] What do you plan to do to improve classroom discipline? (Doug Flynn, in Libertytown)

Ca Misbehavior in the school is a disruption to education. I believe the teachers need the utmost support in enforcing school discipline. Next we need to give our administrators guidelines for enforcing stricter discipline policies that will make it clear to the students and their parents or guardians that the school system will not tolerate misbehavior in our schools.

I would also like to meet with law enforcement and judicial officials about the possibility of having any high school student involved in a fight in school jurisdiction referred to the criminal justice system. A fight is an assault and battery by definition according to law. Therefore that is why I feel we should refer these students to the criminal justice system. This will send a strong message to the students that this type of behavior will not be tolerated.


The two most important ingredients to excellence in education are:

--Qualified teachers who truly understand their subject and have the ability to convey that knowledge to their students.

--Parents, who are obligated to send a motivated child to school..

An undisciplined student is a parental problem. For the quality of the community that we have in Frederick county, it is a disgrace that sheriff's deputies are posted, daily, at some of our schools. As a first step, disciplinary problems should be laid at parents' doorstep.

A recent topic in a Walter Walter Williams column was a 1976 study by Thomas Sowell (Both are African Americans) of student performance at Dunbar H.S. in Washington D.C. and Douglass H.S. in Baltimore during the first half of the 20th Century when both schools were segregated. "Among the graduates of Douglass were 'Thurgood Marshall and Cab Calloway, as well as several judges, congressmen, and civil rights leaders. Douglass H.S. was second in the nation in black Ph.D.s among its alumni. Dunbar High's distinguioshed alum included U.S. Senator Ed Brooke and physician Charles Drew. During WWII, Dunbar alumni in the Army included nearly a score of majors, nine colonels and lieutenant colonels, and a brigadier general.'"

"Sowell interviewed former teachers and alumni at both schools, who 'said that the most basic characteristic of their school was law and order. Respect was the term most used to describe the attitudes of students and parents toward the schools. 'The teacher was always right' was a frequently used phrase." That attitude needs to be conveyed to the parents, both black and white, of school disciplinary problems in Frederick County.


Bad classroom behavior does disrupt learning and instruction. When this happens kids need to be disciplined. We have rules in place that address many behavior needs, however, some of the challenges are how and when these rules are enforced. Some teachers are very strict, and some are more lenient. Where the problem lies I think, is with the fact that FCPS ties classroom behavior/referrals to teacher reviews. So, if a teacher refers a student an unusual amount of times, it would reflect in that teachers review. However, teachers are assigned students of all learning strengths and challenges. So some classes may have more behavior challenges than others,which makes it hard for the teacher to get through their lessons. This is one of the reasons that we see teachers requesting to teach honors and AP classes, because there are less behavior issues. To address this, I would support a review of our discipline policy, and give our teachers more support in the classroom, so that they can concentrate on what they do best, teaching.


Dear Mr. Flynn,

Discipline is a serious concern in the public school system, and as a teacher in a public school, I know there are disciplinary issues that are swept under the rug or not handled properly due to the pressures associated with school statistics. This is a disservice to all of the children and staff at our schools. I want to ensure that our schools do not feel the pressure from administration to meet certain requirements regarding suspensions, detentions, and expulsions. I wholeheartedly believe if a student commits an infraction, that student must face the consequences. By continuing on the path of ignorance, we are only going to make the problem worse. This means we need to be ready to handle the fact that our school statistics will look worse before they get better, but at least we will be doing something to take care of the problem instead of continually ignoring the problem.


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   [OCT. 20] Since the teachers and the BOE cannot come to an agreement on a contract, what would you recommend be done to resolve this issue? (Scott, in New Market)

When the BOE and the FCTA agreed to go to arbitration, I would have expected both sides would abide by the arbiter’s findings to settle their differences. It is apparent that the BOE would only agree with the arbiter if they agreed with the BOE. This is not good faith negotiations. I think both organizations should pick two and at most three people to sit down and work out an agreement. I would volunteer to sit down with both sides right now and work to come to some type of an agreement. I am a past member of the FCTA and I want to be a member of the BOE and I feel I could work with both sides to reach an amicable agreement for them.


Negotiations between the Board of Education and FCTA have been going on for 9 months. Not being a member of the Board, it would be presumptuous of me to make any recommendations. I have no reason to doubt the sincerity of either party.


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There is still reason to be optimistic on the teachers' contract. People on both sides of the table are still talking. No one likes this current state of affairs. As long as people are still willing to compromise, there is hope for a solution.

   [OCT. 20] Would you seek to allow knowledgeable, accomplished professionals to begin teaching without having obtained credentials? (Doug Flynn, in Libertytown)

This is already done. New teachers who have basic qualifications are hired with the understanding that they will obtain their teaching certification within a specified period of time.


The two keys to excellence in education are teachers and parents. So, a teacher who totally understands their subject and has an ability to transmit that knowledge to motivated students is an asset to be treasured by the education establishment. I would be an avid supporter of alternate certification. 41 states now approve it but only 9 are really active. There are many success stories that confirm the validity of alternate certification.


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Dear Mr. Flynn,

I believe teaching requires more than just content knowledge. I would only support an alternative program that requires prior training in the classroom to help interested individuals understand the dynamics of classroom management and discipline.


I happen to be in favor of alternative certification pathways for teachers. Some excellent teachers have come into classrooms from corporate America or from government service. These folks receive professional training as well as mentoring during this process. This is perhaps never going to become the most popular way to recruit teachers, but we can learn much from such programs as Teach for America and Troops to Teachers.

   [OCT. 20] What, if anything, should disqualify an individual from access to public education? (Doug Flynn, in Libertytown)

Any person who is not in the United States of American legally, by definition, should not be given access to a public education.

About the only individuals that come to mind are those with a communicable and incurable disease or those who are severely retarded. So, I think that the children of illegal immigrants should be taught to speak English first and then admitted to other classes. Our schools should count these children and the number of teachers involved and send the bill to the federal government. I think that efforts to accommodate immigrants with street signs in their language or "press 2 for their language" are a bad idea.


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Dear Mr. Flynn,

Safety and age...Under state law we are currently required to provide a public education to anyone under the age of 21. I have serious concerns about this as I have witnessed situations where having older students in the classroom has negatively impacted learning for the other students. I believe students who have received their allotted time in school should only be offered the option of a GED unless there are special needs that have caused their delay in completing high school. I also believe any student convicted of a crime after the age of 18 should not be allowed back in a school building for the safety of the other students in the building. Again, it is more than fair to offer these students the option of a GED.


I am going to assume that the person who asked this question has in mind something to do with the immigration status of children when he asks about whether anyone should be disqualified from access to public education in the US.

Federal law requires public schools in the United States to enroll any child that comes through the door. In 1992, the Supreme Court (Plyler v.Doe, 457 U.S. 202) held that the Equal Protection Clause of the US Constitution guarantees all children (even those who cannot document their legal presence in this country) access to a "free, appropriate public education." In the United States of America, we educate all our children. That is the law.

   [OCT. 17] How is it that private schools and home schools are generally able to get equal or superior results with far less money per student. And what do you plan to do to lower the cost of public education? (Doug Flynn, in Libertytown)

I don’t agree with the all of the facts stated in the question. Private schools may get some superior results sometimes, but this does come at a higher cost for the parents or guardians. Home schooled students may have better results in specific subjects areas but I don’t believe as total population they will have better overall results in all subjects covered.

As a retired teacher I have seen many areas in the school system where we can save money and I plan to expose these areas of waste to reduce costs in the school system.


There are two questions, The first is:"How is it that private schools and home schools are generally able to get equal or superior results with far less money per student?" The second question is: "What do you plan to do to lower the cost of public education?"

Every response to the first question is conjecture. Parents, teachers, and students are the three ingredients to be considered.

In the case of home schools, the parents deserve all the credit if they are successful, and all the blame if they are not. In the case of private schools (and public schools as well) parents primary responsibility is to ensure that the student is motivated. With the exception of elite private schools (Choate, Groton, St. Albans, etc.) most of the nation's 28,000 private schools (21,000 church affiliated) draw students, including minority and poor, and teachers from populations similar to those of public schools. The education establishment might not agree with that, but there is ample evidence to substantiate those facts. I think it is reasonable to say that a parent who is paying thousands of dollars for something that is essentially free has an additional incentive to motivate their children to achieve excellence in education. Martin Gross, in his 1999 book, The Conspiracy of Ignorance, reports that "Catholic School teachers get paid considerably less, closer to $25,000 a year than $40,000(public school teacher), which is partially explained by their being 'called' to the work." Another fact reported by Gross is that "most private schools simply will not countenance poor behavior or, generally, excessively lazy students. They simply ask students to leave, a solution not available to public schools." Most public schools are beholden to large bureaucracies and most teachers belong to unions which protect bad teachers from being terminated. Principals and headmasters in private schools usually have only a pastor or a Board to report to; generally speaking they truly run the school over which they preside, and have the authority to hire and fire. Put all these factors together and it helps understand why private schools get better results. And that is my conjecture.

As a first step to lower the cost of public education I started last March 24th by asking the other four candidates to take the following pledge:"I pledge, if elected, to limit the growth of the school budget, using inflation and enrollment as guides. Any resultant savings should be redirected to increased salaries for new teachers until parity is achieved with salaries of nearby school districts." Only Donna Crook responded and would sgree to take that pledge.

In responding to a similar question from the PTA Council I said: "The board of Education Needs to change their outlook on the disclosure and allocation of funds, especially now in these very difficult financial times. In some school districts, the expenditures for each school are released every month so that taxpayers can see what the schools are doing with our money. The Frederick County BOE refuses to disclose their expenditures this way."

The Board recently approved an expenditure of $1.2 million for a math curriculum(TERC) that was tested and failed in Utah and Washington. I would ask that this decision be reviewed.

The Board also approved the construction of a new Administration building in downtown Frederick. It appears this will now cost in excess of $20 million, up from the original estimate of $16 milliom. Construction has not yet started. I would ask that this decision also be reviewed.


Currently public schools have more administrative staffing (top heavy) and numerous specialists in a multitude of areas. With more staff, comes more salaries(costs). The higher cost in public schools can be directly associated to the courses and the opportunity's offered. There is a wide range of choices offered at many ability levels in loads of classes. From the three R's; reading, writing, and arithmetic, to a list of electives, students have a hide range to chose from. Additional cost at the public school level can be a result of special education, and other learning challenges, however the school system does receive additional funding from the state for each student($2,477.-) that is in special education. This added funding does not off set the cost of the services that are being provided. In fiscal year 2008 FCPS was approved for $11.9 million in special education funding. This doesn't include the cost of private placement for students that qualified for it. Most private schools do not have these associated costs unless they are a specialty school. Other factors that do have a direct impact on educational costs are sports, facilities, and social programs. These all come with added costs, that many private schools either just don't have or intentionally choice not to offer.

I have continuously voted against the New Administrative Central Office building, which is being funded out of the operating budget. This is the same budget that funds all classroom needs, pays for the utilities, and covers the teachers raises!


Dear Mr. Flynn, There are costs associated with public schools that I believe are not associated with private schools or homeschooling. One such instance is the cost to educate students with special needs. There are students who attend private schools, but travel to local public schools for special services such as speech therapy. There are also costs associated with athletic programs that are on a much larger scale than that of private schools. Another item that requires more dollars is the maintenance and upkeep of larger facilities. Often times, private schools maintain smaller facilities. Finally, there is a salary discrepancy between private school staffing and public school staffing. Given the items mentioned, I still believe we need to take a line item approach to our school budget to see how we can cut costs, especially given the current financial situation.


Public schools are required by law to accept each and every student who comes through the door.  Private schools can pick and choose.  In addition, many students, especially in our lower socio-economic areas, come to school with multiple issues that can and often do impede learning.  Therefore, public schools are required under law (and often by un-funded mandate) to provide whatever the students need to access "free, appropriate public education."  That is the charge of the public schools in this nation.  So, public schools provide many services that a private school or a home school would not need to provide out of the money allotted to them for their schools or school materials.  In addition, lower class size definitely impacts some students' learning.  Private and home schools can control for this. 

  Reducing class size in our public schools would be a great idea, but it costs money.  According to our latest FCPS figures, it would cost $4.4 million to decrease class size across the system in our county by one student. 

   Why are our teachers under paid compared to other counties in the area? Why should I, as a tax-paying citizen, have to fund extracurricular activities at the schools? Shouldn't the tax money I pay each year cover these costs? Example - Stadium renovation at Walkersville High School. You have no problem funding schools in other parts of the county, i.e. Tuscarora and the new HS in Urbana. (Mark, in Walkersville)

Frederick County teachers are considered to be underpaid because neighboring counties such as Montgomery and Howard pay their teachers more on the average in comparison. It is easy for teachers to gain experience in Frederick County and then transfer to one of these counties for higher pay. The net result is that Frederick County loses an experienced teacher and therefore we have to spend more to recruit new teachers.

It is my desire to reduce expenditures to insure that all students have the opportunity to participate in extracurricular activities without paying a fee to do so.

Some students and their parents are intimidated because of these fees and therefore the student possibly will not have the opportunity to participate.

I am not sure but I believe the booster club at Walkersville High School is pushing for the stadium renovation. I am pretty sure that the Urbana High School Booster club paid for the lights at their stadium. Recently the parents/booster club at Middletown High School paid for new artificial turf at their school. New schools are being built with low maintenance facilities which will hopefully save money in the long run. I would hope that we will be able to fund upgrades for the older schools if the population growth and shifts provide the possibility to stop building new schools.


I agree with Mark that FCPS salaries should never be less than those in neighboring counties. Two of my next-door neighbors taught (and recently retired) in Montgomery County because they were paid more there than to teach the same subject in the county where they lived. Mark must also be unhappy about the Board's votes to spend, it appears now, over $20 million for new offices in downtown Frederick for all its bureaucrats and administrators; and, most recently, $1.2 million for TERC, a new elementary math curriculum that was tested and failed in Utah and Washington.

In a recent questionnaire I was asked" What current educational programs/areas should be the systems highest priority...? Please explain your answeer.I responded: "The highest priority should be for teachers with hard-to-find/hire expertise. There is a mountain of testimony about the importance of teachers in the educational process, and another mountain that notes that buildings and stadiums are of much lesser importance...we need to be able to hire the best possible teachers for all subjects and have the authority to deal with incompetent teachers...the excellence of the system depends largely on excellent teachers and parents sending them motivated students.

The incumbents in this election (Katie Groth and Donna Crook) are much better qualified to answer Mark's other specific questions.


Why are our teachers underpaid compared to other counties in the area?

The board of educations goal is to have teacher salaries in the top 25% in the state. We are continuing to shoot for that, but have not reached it at all levels. Many of our teachers that have more seniority, have attained the higher levels on the pay scale. We do have some work to do at the entry level for teachers. It maybe interesting to know a 10 month teacher with a BA in Frederick Co. earns $40,706. A Howard Co. 10 month teacher with a BA earns $44,527. A Montgomery Co. 10 month teacher with a BA earns $46,410. That's a $5,704.- difference between Frederick Co. and Montgomery Co. Now I ask you, once you take out taxes, and gas money for the additional travel, how much do you have left to show for that "Big Difference"? I would tend to say that it may not be as financially attractive as people think. There is a real cost associated with a farther commute, gas, wear and tear on the car, more time on the road and less time for other things. Based on all of this I would say we are competitive.

Why should I, as a tax paying citizen, have to fund extracurricular activities at the schools?

As far as I am aware of, sports is the largest extracurricular activity. It also comes with a very large price tag. After school sports teams are not part of the regular school day, and because of this, are not funded through the school systems allocation that comes from the county commissioners and the state. It is unfortunate that many parents pay so much for their child to be able to participate in an after school sport. As far as public educational funding goes, it is focused on the classroom and academics first and extracurricular activity's second. This is how I understand it.

Shouldn't the tax money I pay each year cover these costs?

It would be nice if it worked that way, however that is not the case. Currently, the school system does not even have a replacement cycle for things that it uses regularly. ie; books, computers, photo copy machines, music stands, and the list goes on! This is in part due to the fact that FCPS currently does not have a zero based budget system, or a line item budget system. It is lump sum funded, which when it is all said and done, you really don't know what got funded and what didn't by way of actual items! I have seen this as a problem for some time now. But with everything else, change on the board of education takes four votes not just one(mine). Also, Walkersville HS Stadium bleachers is in the BOE's CIP list for a cost of $585,000.- for fiscal year 2010. So it may seem like you are paying for everything, but the BOE is asking the county to cover this one.


Dear Mr. Walker,

  1. Yes, our teachers are paid less than Montgomery County and Howard County.  They are, however, paid more than Washington County.  Do I believe they are underpaid?  Yes, but they will never be paid as much as Montgomery County due to the disparity in tax base.

2. As a parent of four children, 3 of whom are attending Frederick County public schools, I understand your concerns.  I do believe renovations of a stadium should be covered in the budget.  I was not aware such renovations were coming out of the pockets of parents.  As for extracurricular activities, some of those do require additional funds.  Usually school PTAs fundraise annually to provide these extra activities such as school dances, educational events, etc. for the students. 

  Thank you for your thoughtful questions.


We endeavor to put the pay schedule for our teachers in FCPS in the top 25% of school systems in Maryland.  There is surely a differential between Montgomery County and Howard County and our own Frederick County.  There is, as a matter of fact, a significant difference in cost of living in those two adjacent counties compared to our own.  It has been difficult to compare our pay scales to those of Pennsylvania, where many of our teachers actually live, because they have a different schedule of deductions for retirement and benefits, etc., as I understand it.  I believe we compare favorably with our neighbors.

  For many students, extracurricular activities are a real "hook" that keeps them engaged in school and motivates them to excel academically as they do on the stage, in the studio or on the field.   I realize support of extracurricular activities is often controversial, but when you see how many young folks find career direction and excellent life lessons in these activities, you would be convinced that they are worth what we spend on them.  Students are positively affected by mentors and peer leadership opportunities as well. You might want to know that students must maintain a 2.0 academic average with no "F" grades in order to be eligible to participate in school sponsored extracurricular activities.  In addition, students who participate in athletics must pay a fee unless it is determined that they cannot afford to do so.

If someone is interested in learning more about the cost detail of the maintenance and upkeep of our athletic facilities, he or she can contact our FCPS Facilities Department.  They are listed in the phone book and the student calendar handbook.  In addition, our facilities staff would be pleased to respond in an email.  But in short, it is very expensive to maintain our athletic facilities and keep them to a standard of safety and security that we all want for our students and our citizens who attend events.  Your tax dollars provide much support of course, but our communities often choose to step up to help with extras they want in their high school facilities.  Middletown and Walkersville communities both have done this with the permission of the FCPS Facilities Department.  The list of priorities is long and often times athletic field enhancements do not have the high priority that a new roof or a new boiler would have. 



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