State police said a man repeatedly ignored direct orders, rammed a police cruiser with a stolen SUV and lunged at a trooper before he was shot and killed Monday morning.
The shooting took place at about 8:45 a.m. at the Sheetz gas station on East Patrick Street in Frederick. A trooper pulling into the gas station parking lot noticed a gold Lincoln Navigator with expired license plates parked next to the store, according to Greg Shipley, a state police spokesman. The trooper was told that the SUV was reported stolen in an armed robbery late Sunday night in Baltimore, Shipley said.
Police were still working late Monday to identify the man who was shot and killed.
Several troopers stationed at the state police aviation command up the road at Frederick Municipal Airport, including Trooper 1st Class William B. Jansen, arrived a few minutes later to back up the trooper, according to a state police news release. Frederick police were also notified and headed to the scene, Shipley said.
The driver of the SUV was standing behind it when Jansen — who was driving an unmarked police vehicle — and another trooper in a marked cruiser drove up from opposite directions. Both troopers had their vehicle lights on, and Jansen was wearing a clearly marked Maryland State Police flight suit, the release states.
“[The troopers] got out of their vehicles and approached the individual, who then ran to the driver’s door, jumped inside of his vehicle, started it and began to accelerate away,” Shipley said. The man appeared to be putting a shirt on over his clothing when the troopers converged on the vehicle.
Before the SUV could leave, a Frederick police cruiser driven by city Officer Aaron Gregware pulled into the parking lot entrance, Shipley said.
“The evidence indicates at this point that the suspect drove the vehicle, the Navigator, directly into the side of that Frederick officer, ramming that vehicle in a deliberate attempt to disable that officer,” Shipley said. The SUV forced the Frederick police cruiser up onto a curb and pinned the uniformed officer inside.
Before the SUV and the rammed cruiser stopped moving, the man behind the wheel of the SUV jumped out of the vehicle and was confronted by Jansen and the other trooper, according to the release.
“The troopers were pursuing him on foot at that point, the one trooper being right at the driver’s door as he exited that vehicle,” Shipley said. “[The man] again continued to refuse orders to surrender, and the trooper fired, but again, that’s part of that continuing investigation as to why that trooper fired.”
The investigation revealed that Jansen fired at the man with his .40-caliber Glock, striking him at least once in the torso, the release states. Jansen, a five-year state police veteran, was placed on administrative leave pending the outcome of an investigation of the shooting, according to the release.
Monday’s police news release states that the man had one or both hands in his pockets when he was confronted by police immediately after the crash. A witness told police that they saw the man quickly remove his hands from his pockets and lunge at Jansen immediately before the shooting, the release states.
Trained state police flight paramedics, including Jansen, immediately gave the man emergency care, the release states. They were joined by emergency medical personnel, but the man was pronounced dead a short time later, Shipley said.
Gregware, the Frederick officer, was taken to Frederick Memorial Hospital with injuries later deemed not life-threatening, said acting Capt. Clark Pennington, a city police spokesman.
Troopers recovered a large folding knife in the deceased man’s possession, the release states. An undisclosed amount of cash, a crack pipe and clothing were also recovered. In addition, investigators found a driver’s license that Baltimore police confirmed belonged to the victim of a nonfatal shooting in Baltimore in July, the release states.
Aside from the knife, no other weapons were found, according to the release.
Baltimore police detectives investigating the armed robbery of the SUV were assisting state police homicide detectives at the scene, Shipley said. The man who reported last night’s armed robbery told Baltimore police that when he tried to intervene, the robber showed him a handgun, he said.
“He told police that the individual displayed what appeared to be a handgun in his waistband, [but] we do not know if that individual who was seen last night stealing the vehicle is the individual here,” Shipley said. “We do know that this is the vehicle that was stolen.”
Investigators were still collecting evidence, reviewing surveillance footage and interviewing witnesses, Shipley said.
Larry Haines, a Verizon employee, was working across the street when the shooting happened.
“I was outside the truck, and I just happened to be looking this direction when I saw the trooper with his gun out, just backing up.” Haines said. “I heard four gunshots, and when I looked up, I immediately saw a trooper or a police officer with his gun out.”
Frederick residents Dennis Kline and Anna Smittenaar had just pulled into the Sheetz parking lot when they noticed a black man who appeared to be in his 40s standing behind an SUV parked next to the store.
“He was backed in, and he was changing his shirt. He didn’t even have a shirt on when we first pulled in,” Smittenaar said.
As the couple went inside to buy drinks, Kline said, a state police cruiser pulled up near the SUV. A trooper stepped out of the cruiser and pulled his gun, Kline said.
“He said, ‘Don’t get in the car!’ or ‘Freeze!’ or something — I don’t know,” Kline said. “And the guy says, ‘Oh, s---!,’ runs around, gets in the car and ... drives off.”
When the man jumped out of the SUV after crashing into the Frederick police cruiser, a third police vehicle was already stopped near the driver’s side of the SUV, Kline said. An officer next to that vehicle also had his weapon drawn, Kline said.
“Literally, there were cops coming in from everywhere. I mean, it was crazy. Because I don’t even know where [the third officer] came from, but he was already out of his car by the time the SUV hit the cop car,” Kline said. “And as soon as [the man] got out of the SUV, he told him to freeze and unloaded on him.”
Kline and Smittenaar each said they heard about six to eight gunshots.
Kline said he did not notice the man pull a weapon or make any threatening movements toward police immediately before the shooting.
“I didn’t see anything like that,” Kline said, shaking his head.
The Frederick County State’s Attorney’s Office was at the scene and assisting in the investigation, Shipley said.
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Thou shalt not kill !!! Nuff said !!
A source which happen to be the the best trained, highly motivated, conservative Constitutionally based individuals military veterans advocates has informed that the the officer who attempted to coerce me into a potentially deadly confrontation has ties to a hate group not based in MD. So this is starting to make sense to me that an officer with an association to an out of state hate group would target a black military family in Frederick County, MD. How ironic is that right wing republicans in Virginia have to protect black military families from extremists infiltrating law enforcement in liberal Maryland.
We all want to believe that all local law enforcement officers adhere to the Constitution but that's not realistic nor is it realistic that people out here aren't evil and would harm officers given the opportunity. My personal experience with an individual who I later discovered was an officer who attempted to coerce me into a confrontation as I went to collect my mail and then denied the event event though I reported the incident has shakes my confidence in local law enforcement. Let's be honest an officer who would act unilaterally on their own personal valve system and beliefs irrespective of the law is no different than a thug ramming into officers.
all of this talk is not needed. Idiot driver gives up. Obeys the police. Hes alive. Quit with the race. Makes me sick. So sick. Media. Race. Race race. QUIT BREAKING THE LAW. idiots.
Pie in the sky.
Here is a FACT:
When I police officer feels scared for their life, or for someone else's life.....they are allowed to use their guns.
If you don't like this, then write to your state senators and ask for changes in the laws.
I do not support the police shooting in Mt Airy. I do not support the dog shooting in Taneytown.
But I do support the police shooting in this incident.
If a disable black veteran retrieving mail instills fear into an officer into an officer certainly anything is possible.
This man got what he asked for. Notice I said "asked for".
Driving a stolen vehicle.
In possession of a driver's license stolen from a shooting victim.
In possession of a crack pipe.
Carrying a large sum of money.
In possession of a knife.
Was changing his shirt.
Disobeyed police orders.
Attempted to flee from the police.
Purposely drove the SUV into the side of the police cruiser with the officer in it.
The suspect did this to himself. All he had to do was cooperate with the police.
Wait until his name is released. I bet he has a MD Court Case file at least (3) pages long....
thank you, you took the words right out of my mouth.
So explain how he asked for it??? I am confused as to how all of the above leads you to say he asked for it? So he was changing his shirt? Had a knife, so, how many men or women have knifes in their possession ? Knifes are not illegal, sometimes we all have large sums of money on us, means nothing, we have the right to disobey police orders, so if the cops knocked on your door and ordered you to let them search your house you would let them? Cops ordered you to allow them to search your car you would obey them?
Possession of crack pipe means what? The cruiser was unmarked so how was he supposed to know it was the police?
Driving a stolen vehicle...means what? No connection yet that person driving it was the person that stole the vehicle..is there?
In possession of a driver's license stolen from a shooting victim...SO WHAT, that means nothing.
Yeah I hope he was asking for it....so to you Kelly society is better off without him.
This story has brought out a lot of new commenters, many of whom see no problem with shooting people who have been arrested for nothing nor convicted of nothing. No one "deserves" to die in America, without being found guilty and sentenced by a jury of their peers in a Court of Law. In this case it still bothers me that only one officer of the many there saw fit to kill him. Were all those policemen wrong not to shoot? As a few commenters mentioned, there have been other situations recently right here in Frederick where officers lives were threatened but no lethal force was used.
Get real, no (2) incidents are the same.
Two of the incidents commenters mentioned are very similar, assault on a policeman with a vehicle. In fact that is a very common occurrence. In another incident, Police in Frederick confronted an armed person and took him in with no shots fired.
FNP I believe you do a great job and try to provide an excellent service but Your rules state "No racism" and you have allowed a continuous stream of racist dialogue by a few individuals, posting and reposting. Baffling.
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Frederick News Post, I would like to know why you deleted my comments, but not the comments from the cop hating BlueDawn666. Is she who you want people from other states, which they are viewing at this moment, to see when they read the comments???
So you believe the Police are right no matter what they do in every case? Do you believe the Police when the Chiefs at the Police Chiefs Conference stated that they are for universal background checks for gun buyers? As they have been asking for for many years.
I have no idea what you are referring to, there have been universal background checks in place for more than a decade. You make no sense!!!
"As Chicago endured yet another deadly weekend of gun violence, Chicago police Supt. Garry McCarthy stood with police chiefs from around the nation and called for national background checks for anyone who purchases a gun. The National Law Enforcement Partnership to Prevent Gun Violence has been calling for the background check to help prevent gun violence for years, even though Congress has failed to act."........it seems that you not only don't know what I'm talking about but you don't know what you're talking about!!!!!!!
it stings doesn't it,the truth, ....it stings. and I no I don't feel guilty I feel ashamed..
I am pleased to see the experts continue to decide what happened, the reason, motivation and blur the line between fact and fantasy. Keep up the good work law enforcement experts, it good to know that someone out there has the answer for everything.[lol]
That has to change. "Lives Matter"
Thing is I wonder how much Frederick will settle for with his family. Probably millions...how's that feel taxpayers? Freddie Gray's lawsuit was for 6.5 million.
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fortunately or unfortunately it will be the State as a whole on the hook as this was a STATE Trooper. We will eventually have to pay but the cost will be spread out across the state.
I dont understand how FNP rules on comments state no racist or inflammatory comments, but, they allow BlueDawn666 to spread this racist cop hating rethoric. That is where we are in society, media making it unacceptable to criticize or disagree with any oerson of color! Unbelievable, debate is what this country was founded on, not being a doormat.
No deadly force used when a Roy Ronald Turner, 46, a white Frederick man struck a FCP officer and was is charged with 1st- and 2nd-degree assault, 2nd-degree assault on a law enforcement officer, possession of marijuana, failure to remain at the scene of an accident involving bodily injury, failure to stop a vehicle at the scene of an accident involving bodily injury, attempt by a driver to flee and elude police, failure to render aid at the scene of an accident involving bodily injury, failure to give information at the scene of an accident involving bodily injury and driving while suspended.[sneaky]
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"The cop fired on the vehicle as it fled the scene, striking Turner in the left arm. The motorist fled the scene, but his vehicle was stopped at the intersection of Baughmans Lane and Shookstown Road."
Said white druggie WAS in fact shot at. He wasn't lunging at a cop though so I am sure he was a harder target to hit. Also he wasn't in a stolen vehicle or had an APB out that that stolen SUV was hijacked in an ARMED robbery. Just sayin'
Read more: http://www.wfmd.com/articles/wfmd-local-news-119935/man-arrested-for-hitting-police-officer-12806599#ixzz3ps2sJgl4
Last year a feeing white druggie actually struck a FCP officer who was seriously injured but the white criminal somehow managed to make it to court unscathed. [sneaky]
Stop with the "rammed the police car" non-sense. The suspect tried to flee in the SUV, while pulling away (at an excessive rate of acceleration I'm sure) a third cop car had pulled into the station, cutting him off. The SUV then slammed into the cop car. There was no malice, no forethought. He was trying to escape. Why in the name of the 9 Hells would anyone intentionally destroy/disable their means of escape to cripple ONE cop? Stop trying to spin this to mitigate the officer involved shooting that happened seconds later. You loose credibility by doing so. Honestly it could have been some innocent civilian vehicle at the wrong place and the wrong time.
Assuming he was the car thief, that is NOT a Capital Offense. Even if we still had a death penalty in Maryland. Cops are not, and should not be judge, jury and executioner.
Now, will the station's camera footage show the trooper was justified in shooting? Maybe. But considering all that has happened in the last few years nationally, and locally, I'm skeptical. 32 years or so ago I sat in my elementary school library as local law enforcement officers came in and in response to questions from my classmates (being in Kindergarten, all shouted at once) about how often they get to use their guns, said in their entire career (and these were veteran officers) they have NEVER had to discharge their weapons in the line of duty. It was a point of pride. Today's police officers seem to be more a tad quicker to resort to force.
The last paragraph is right on target, seems officers are quick to pull their weapon with no need. Drawing your weapon should be last resort not first response, its as though that's all they know, aren't they taught how to disable an unarmed suspect without death?
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"Why in the name of the 9 Hells would anyone intentionally destroy/disable their means of escape to cripple ONE cop?"
Why in the name of the 9 Hells would anyone be driving a stolen car with expired license, be changing his shirt in the parking lot at a Sheets, refuse a lawful order to stop, act in an aggressive manner when he drove the SUV into the police car (you may ascribe the motive you choose) possibly attempting to not only disable the police car but possibly kill/injury the policeman who was just doing his duty to protect the citizens, again attempt to flee (possibly to jack another car, possibly killing the owner of said car, If you can make up motives so can I), again not stop when lawfully ordered to do so, was shot, possibly avoiding a hostage situation, with the loss of numerous innocent lives had he escaped the scene. I agree there is nothing about the scenario that would make any semi-intelligent individual to believe that maybe this was an unavoidable situation.
"Honestly it could have been some innocent civilian vehicle at the wrong place and the wrong time. " - Nope.. they ran the plates before the pursued.
The suggestion that many right wing cop supporters and many inner city thug supporters are making that both groups are somehow unilaterally without flaws is asinine both groups have executed thousand of innocent Americans.
Normally in the free market when you have an infestation of a toxic element in an organization that disrupts public confidence the organization would identify the problem, isolate the problem and fix or eradicate the problem but in the government they coddle the problem they protect the problem and they retaliate against anyone who merely question their authority and power.
This "discussion" has proven to me that there cannot be a rational, fact based dialog where common sense is appreciated. The bias on both the far left and far right is a divide that is killing this country.
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I believe federal law enforcement telling Congress that local law enforcement is being infiltrated by extremist and they failing to act is like a muslim mosque telling the federal government that some of its worshipers are acting strange and the government doing nothing to protect the American People, betrayal. I don't believe the overwhelmingly majority of cops are out to get black people but enough are to warrant further review on how we are vetting applicants and I believe a single question on a polygraph test would reveal ghost skin cops from Constitutional Cops.
FNP needs to close this comment section. The nuts on the left and right are out in full force.
Hopefully video footage emerges. Cops lie all the time and twist the story to fit their version of events. Video proves them otherwise.
Unlike veterans associations many active duty and retired law enforcement associations have segregated style memberships. [sneaky]
Although I don't believe in this instant a white MSP used unreasonable lethal force on a black man there are some elements in the MSP that are probably unfit for duty but we will never know unless their behavior become so outrageous that the brass can't mask it. We all know the MSP is a honorable organization but it is representative of the greater society and it's estimated that 20-30% of Americans have a severe mental illness and in a good economy the ideal applicant pool is eroded even further. I hope the shooting is good but the fact we even have to question whether it is a testament how far public confidence has fallen in law enforcements ability to disburse reasonable force.
Was GOP appointed FBI director in 2006 race baiting when he stated that local law in America enforcement was being infiltrated with extremists?
The longer this comment section progresses, the more ludicrous the comments become. Both sides making assumptions not borne out by the facts presented, or known. A joke is being made of a very serious situation by irrelevant, erroneous "facts" being postulated to support ridiculous theories. Grow up.[sad]
"Better off with less cops" .. man, you're a joke.
The trooper was under the influence of testosterone The dead dude was under the influence of crack.
QUOTE:
the Navigator, directly into the side of that Frederick officer, ramming that vehicle in a deliberate attempt to disable that officer,” Shipley said."
Shipley is attempting to justify the trooper's actions. Let me saying this does not mean the trooper's actions were not justified.
At this point it DOES NOT matter what the suspects motives were when he deliberately rammed the vehicle into the police vehicle. All that matters is that he did it.
It's only an opinion that the suspect was trying "to disable" the police. Opinions are not admissible in court.
I think the police did a great job of handeling this unexpected incident.
Shipley: let not cloud the incident with opinions. Please stick to the facts.
It might sound like i am trying to defend the guy but i am not. Just looking for a impartial discription of the event rather than a biased one.
If the Police cruiser the guy struck with "the intention to disable the officer" was unmarked, how did he know it was an officer inside ?
Good point Bryce..hadn't thought of that. Also the alleged perp and not really committed any crime except for driving an alleged stolen vh..if he had been left alone he would have driven away from Sheetz..he had no weapon and was not looking to harm anyone. Why couldn't the police have followed him and confronted him at a better time? He really was posing no harm to anyone...it wasn't until the cops freaked that he freaked.
So if he was hitting a civilian, that was ok? So it was the police that freaked not the guy running into vehicles trying to get away. ".he had no weapon and was not looking to harm anyone" all supposition and unknown at the time of the incident and we still do not know his intent. "He really was posing no harm to anyone" and you know that how? If a person was walking by the exit, would he have hit them? If he had a gun would he have shot? You seem to everything about everyone involved, who is acting as the judge?
He was unarmed..there is no evidence that anyone even knew he had a knife in his belongings until after he was dead an his belongings were searched. So I was correct that they shot an unarmed man..HE HAD NO GUN..
Question is where did they shoot him, I have heard in his face, have you heard that? I read that he was trying to run away and was shot so where was he shot at in the back or in the front or in the face?
The suspect then jumped out of the stolen SUV as it was still moving...so at that point he had "surrendered" his deadly weapon, why couldn't all the cops just have tackled and tazed him? Why did they feel the need to discharge their weapon in that way against a person that had surrendered their deadly weapon and in an area where an innocent bystander could have been injured...?
Why is everyone so quick to be the judge, jury, and executioner of this unarmed man? I am not saying that there shouldn't consequences, I am saying that the consequences were not the cops right to deliver.
You people scare me...
He used a vehicle as weapon to try an hurt the officer. At that point he proved life didn't matter to get away. The officers saved innocent lives yesterday.
Id also like to make another point.. Everyone here posting, both black and white managed to not get killed by the police yesterday.. And there is a huge reason why.
It also says that the guy lunged at the officer. Don't be so quick to assume that every time a policeman shoots his gun that he's wrong to do it. You don't have enough information from this article to make a judgement that the police were wrong. And they do have the right to deliver just consequences.
He was in a stolen vehicle. He rammed a police car and ignored the police demands. Bravo for shooting this fool. Another thief, crack head, and menace to society extinguished from a world that doesn't need him. Shame on him and anyone that thinks that this man should be walking the same earth that law abiding citizens share. I wish this result happened 100 times a day. You know why I'm not afraid of this happening to me? Because I don't smoke crack, steal cars, or ram police cruisers and flee from authorities. This was a blessing IMPO
"that the consequences were not the cops right to deliver. " Maybe not, but the consequences of the "gentleman" being allowed to escape could have been the death of TRULY innocent people happening when their car was jacked, or another scenario resulting from a desperate person's attempt to elude capture. Do you consider those consequences the right of the individual to deliver?
I worked with many a racist in my decades serving this great nation who I still call my brother because we had a common enemy but in America today that enemy is convoluted for law enforcement because of the political optics which I believe led a white policemen to nearly killing me in my own yard as I went to collect my mail.
Just for the record: Fox News is reporting that the knife and a crack pipe were found in the car. Not on his person.
This here is the exact problem with society. There are some people that feel no matter what, people should not have consequences for their actions. And when consequences, well known consequences, are handed down to those that deserve them at the time, those people want pity for the person who is in the wrong. They want justice served AGAINST those who delivered the consequence. They need proof beyond definitive and even then there is no rest for revenge against those who are truly innocent and TRYING to do well for other innocents. SMFH … we created this “new” generation of entitled little worthless waste of spaces. Parents delivering empty threats, rewarding bad behavior in hopes of a better outcome NEXT time … how are all those great prep talks about trying harder to be a decent human being working out now? And if the media doesn’t stop adding fuel to the flame .. but then again. The same ones behind the paper and screens are the same ones with the same exact mentality, generation, out here in the streets stomping their feet that the CRIMINALS have rights and regardless of what he/she is doing to provoke their consequences should be made to feel free to carry-on. I just hope that all the ignorant that can’t see beyond their nose, that can’t see that their little actions of protest and feet stomping cause ripples in the bigger picture and truly understand what they’re doing. One day, soon, we’re going to have enforcement less officers. We’re going to have less officers period. And we’re going to have an uprising of criminal activity if this behavior continues. Look at Baltimore. Baltimore is a PERFECT example of what the future is going to look like. Look what happened there after all the protest and destruction. You got what you wanted. Mayor order her officers to stand down. Go pull the statics for criminal activity since. We’re going to have a society that no matter how loud you shout about your rights.. about criminal rights.... there is someone who you fought to protect standing behind you ready to cut your tongue out.. because they can. Remember that.
Yeah I agree we don't need this many police officers, we all would be much safer with less cops..especially black people.
Also I would advise to limit your fear-mongering tactics when you are trying to make your point.
And I would advise all the white-people to read this.
http://www.truebluepolitics.com/2015/10/23/dear-white-people-do-all-lives-matter-stop-defending-the-police/
A.. Why are you ASSuming I am white? Can a person of color not be of the opinion that if you’re a criminal, doing criminal activity, acting as though you have no home training, repeatedly attack and become violent with police, that your death would then be deserving?
What’s really funny here is, racism will always have a way to prevail. And I am sure you’re unaware but black people can be racist too, and guess what. To ASSume that only white people want police officers to enforce, as they have sworn and been trained to do, is …….
And all people, including black people, are much, much safer once the like minds of you are less.
SMH... Ridiculous.
See I can read people pretty well..thanks for confirming my suspicion's about you, Melissa.
Yeah you would say ...remember godless liberal here. And far from stupid and you know that as well...but if calling me stupid makes you feel better have at it.
Meh...
Melissa are you saying that the police should determine ones consequence not the courts? Streamline the process?
The trooper was 100% justified.
I fell asleep somewhere in this thread. Can any of the posters update me on the whereabouts of their logical arguments?
I like the way BlueDawn keeps saying it was an unarmed black man who the police shot. Ummmm,,,,,,,,,,,,,, "Troopers recovered a large folding knife in the deceased man’s possession." I guess in her world knifes aren't considered weapons.
If you look past the fact that he was an armed robber driving a stolen vehicle, possessing a deadly weapon, namely the knife, crack fiend who tried to kill a responding officer, he probably was an "ok" guy. Another gentle giant!
Glen if they searched every 13 year old boys room they would find a jackknife as well.
Last i checked they were not illegal. Lets just keep it real. Secondly I don't think it was even on his person but discovered in his "belongings" ...
Remember when you read police statements they all are written from one perspective, they are not impartial observations, but written specifically to justify officers actions and to make suspect look as guilty as possible. That is why the police do not find guilt or innocence, a court does.
Just because knifes, including jackknifes and LARGE FOLDING KNIFES, are legal that doesn't mean they can't be weapons. Duh!!!!
The knife was in the SUV, not on his person.
If you are driving a stolen car....if you ram a police car with that stolen car....if you attempt to flee once....if you attempt to flee twice....if you don't freeze or stop when told to once....or twice.....the chances of being shot have just increased dramatically no matter what color you are. This whole story is sad for many reasons. A life was lost because of a series of bad choices, not because of the color of skin.
thank you...
I don't think I could count the number of shots fired in a situation like this. The witness said six to eight. That's quite a difference especially since gunfire isn't something one hears everyday.
Everyone can say what they want. You put the uniform and risk your life everyday. Obey the law. Period. So sick of hearing race. Cop pulls you over. you obey. Respect. Noone gets killed. Common sense. Obey the law.
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2nd par says shooting was at 8.45am, 3rd par that it happened "late Monday". 8.45am is not "late Monday" Or am I missing something?
did anyone see the interview on NBC4 tonight where a witness said the suspect was in the Sheetz bathroom with a large stack of money on the bathroom counter?
The police release does say that an undisclosed amount of cash was found in the deceased's body… undisclosed usually translates to a large amount.
Sheetz has cameras everywhere. Where's the video?
I'd like to recognize all the other law enforcement officers there who showed restraint and did not fire their weapons, especially the partner of the shooter who was right there and didn't see the need to kill the guy, no matter how bad the guy was. Not all criminals "deserve" the death penalty.
Perhaps the other guy showed restraint because he wasn't the one being lunged at...Stop judging any of them either way with the little facts we have.
I'm glad the officer is okay and glad the deceased suspect didn't plow over innocent bystanders like the woman did in Oklahoma who's now using the race card/ mental illness/ air bag defense.
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Thank you Frederick police for keeping us so safe. I feel so safe in my hometown. This is awesome. Another criminal off the street. People can talk all they want, but he used that vehicle as a deadly weapon. Attacking an officer with an SUV is enough to get you shot right there. Let alone refusing to surrender after. Did he think he was gonna get away. If he wasn't in the wrong, why didn't he give up right off that back? At least play dumb and say a friend gave him the SUV and try to beat the case in court lol.
A witness told police that they saw the man quickly remove his hands from his pockets and lunge at Jansen immediately before the shooting, the release states. Did he lunge with a knife in his hands?
This we know:
The circumstantial evidence points to a man that committed armed robbery late Sunday night stealing an SUV. A man tried to intervene and was shown what appeared to be a handgun in the waist band of the man stealing the SUV, which is the same one. The first officer, on the scene (trooper), told the man not to get into the SUV, he did anyway and drove into the Frederick police officer's vehicle, showing up as the SUV tried to exit, blocking the exit. He got out of the SUV and refusing to surrender. A trooper opened fire, hit him and he was given some medical help later. A large folding knife and some money, a crack pipe and clothing were found.
Racial profiling and excessive use of force are not terms synonymous with the Maryland State Police Force. In fact probably just the opposite. This was a tragic event. If any officers read these comments please understand the majority of people in this community hold you in the highest regard and thank you for your very disciplined and very well respected service.
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Excellent work boys! One dead criminal off the streets for good!
With all the idiotic remarks I am seeing relating to this crime...Felon armed theft, which lets face it liberals...he knew he was wanted or he would not have ran....to ramming a police car and then exiting with a knife? I don't know who is dumber the criminals or these people who obviously lack any common sense?
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Did you read the police report. The found a folding knife in his "belongings" not in his pocket. And where are you getting the armed felon thing from? The car was reported stolen and the "person who reported the crime,, thought the guy stealing the car had a gun hidden in his waistband. As for idiotic remarks yours are right up there. I am not defending the dude but the rush to try convict and execute someone is frankly disturbing... I hope the video shows justifiable use of force...
However the reason its is such a big deal is there is a lot of focus on shooting of unarmed civilians currently, in case you have not noticed. Freddy Gray ran and had a pocket knife on him too. Granted not analogous situations but.....
Me too...Bryce..me too.
I hope the video shows justifiable use of force...
No, it said; "Troopers recovered a large folding knife in the deceased man's possession." Didn't say belongings. What I am wondering did he lunge with the knife and drop it.
According to the last data points taken on Police shooting deaths for the year 2013:
650,000 Police officers; 560 officer involved shooting deaths of suspects; of those 268 white, 142 Black, 90 Hispanic. That is .00086 % of Police in the country involved in a death of a suspect, doesnt sound like an epidemic to me. That being said, we would all like to see a peaceful endings 100% of the time, unfortunately, sometimes it is hard to avoid.
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More boring stats for you all from FBI.gov
2013: 11.3 million arrests nationwide; 1200 police shootings resulting in 560 deaths; That means that .000107% of all attempted arrests resulted in an officer discharging his/her weapon; .00005% of attempted arrests resulted in a suspects death at the hands of an officer. Keep up the good, safe Police practices officers Nationwide!
SmittyWitty, you are right.
Pull out the Sheets surveillance camera footage to really see what happen!
To see what really happened??? You mean to see it the armed robber in a stolen suv ramming a police cruiser was really a criminal? Or the criminal lunging at an officer after being told to freeze twice ... once AFTER attempting murder of an officer via automotive?
I read this article and thought it was fair, until the author identified the race of the officer and the alleged perpetrator. It had absolutely nothing to do with the facts of the situation and was likely included only to be inflammatory.
Where does this article identify the race of the officer?
correct it does not, and the comment about the race of the guy who was shot, was contained in a quote from an eye witness . so much for the theory that the media is fanning the flames the racial component.
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I drove by the Sheetz around 3 and the area was still cordoned off by police.. I'm guessing by the numbers of officers present at the scene the investigation was still ongoing.. The people commenting in the FNP wrapped up the investigation hours ago and evidently found the officer guilty of shooting an unarmed black man.. Hopefully we will wait for the official statement and know the facts before the officer involved is sent to prison..
he (the suspect) was armed with a motor vehicle. Which is just as lethal.
[crying] He said "don't get out of the car or freeze" How can you mistake whether or not he said get out of the car OR freeze? Pretty big differences.
lol the entire incident is on camera and sheetz has excellent quality video. The truth will exonerate the trooper.
good guys 1, bad guys 0
He rammed a police car..but yet that is ok?? Did he care that he hurt a cop could of even killed him when plowing into his car....NO!!!!!! Oh I guess the state trooper should of said....oh please mr bad man you go run...but please don't hurt anybody else, we will give you a 5 minute head start....GO
This Saturday 4 people were killedand 47 injured at the Oklahoma State homecoming parade when a deranged person ran her car into the crowd. She than tried to leave the scene but was apprehendedad. Should the police have executed her on the spot?
Yes indeed, if it would save anyone else from being injured or killed. I'm surprised she wasn't killed to stop her rampage.
Guess so..if you use the same logic that most of the posters are using here..
Bryce, good thing the police dont feel that way. As far as BlueDawn666 saying going by track record of police concerning shooting unarmed people or people in general, 99% or more of all police/public encounters end peacefully qith no violence. Are you talking about the actual track record of police or the media portrayed track record. There certainly should be oversight of all Police agencies, but lets try to be more supportive of our Police, which are made up of A LOT of good caring HUMAN BEINGS, not racist monsters!!!
Was the individual in Oklahoma refusing to obey orders and rushing at the police?....I don't think so, and she lived through the encounter. Seems to be big difference, obey the orders of the peace officers and survive... no matter who you are....
The individual in Oklahoma ran over a police motorcycle.
So he was out of the vehicle, away from causing any immediate threat with it anymore and no weapon that we know. Then was shot and killed at that point? Cops need to learn they are not god, jury, judge and executioner. Don't we screen for mental fitness for these jobs?
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Not a threat? A busy parkinglot like that in the morning? What if he was going to grab some poor unsuspecting Person and their car to get away? Shoot them down the road ,or possibly take a car with a child in it, grab a hostage....you are stupid! He already tried to kill a cop and stole a car while using a gun the night before!
He was not obeying orders and he just used force against a police officer with a deadly weapon, the stolen vehicle. Do our police have to wait to be shot before they are allowed to neutralize a threat? It seems like that is the standard in the court of public discourse, and seems like a recipe to have absolutely no officers remaining to protect us. This man was a threat to the responding officer.
He attacked a cop with an SUV guess you missed that. This isn't related to other killings you hear about, he put officers in harm! What if he killed that officer he ran into?!
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Hey, if there ever comes a day when I am carrying an illegal firearm, run around willy nilly stealing from people using said firearm, and I start ramming police in their cars.... will someone please, by all means, shoot me. Protect the innocent men, women, and children from me. I am a danger to everyone. I don't deserve to live in this society. I don't care what the circumstances are. I'd like to see any of you that haven't already, strap on a uniform/feel free to put your life on the line everyday for a menial paycheck. This man was the creator of his own demise In my eyes. He should have been out making an honest living and contributing to society.
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Did he have a gun? I thought the deadly threat was the car and when he was shot he was out of the vehicle.
My thinking exactly awteam2000..
The driver jumped out of his still-moving SUV and was shot by one of the state troopers. http://wtop.com/frederick-county/2015/10/police-involved-shooting-
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so the car was no longer a threat since he had exited it..and watch the person that was shot will not be the one that actually stole the VH.
He showed intent to inflict harm by ramming the vehicle, refused to follow orders, and did not have his hands visible and was advancing toward the officer; hands can be a deadly weapon especially if got the officers weapon...what more do YOU NEED for the officer to be justified in the shooting...come on people put yourself in their shoes, who will be left to protect us if this anti-police rhetoric continues. There will be anarchy...maybe that is what you want.
Not sure about the "menial paycheck" thing but how many people get these paid days off? Thats 57 paid days off a year, or 22% of all schedule days, and i am not sure if they are scheduled four or five days a week. Source is Md.gov
Vacation: 10 - 25 days per year, based on years of service (may accrue up to 600 hours)
Sick Leave: 15 days per year (may accrue unlimited sick leave). At retirement, unused sick leave will be credited toward your monthly compensation.
Personal Leave: 6 days per year
Holidays: 11 days per year
I work 9 days a month. Similar time off. But I'm dealing with life and death situations every shift. As a paramedic I often hold the responsibility of saving someone's life in my hands. You don't know stress until you work, see and deal with society and their illnesses. Yes menial pay for a cop to go to work everyday and deal with alot of the trashiest of people. Liars. Thieves. Murderers. Drugs. Guns. Prostitutes. Rapists. And at all times doing the best that he can to go home to his family at night. Certainly not enough pay for the risks involved.
Amen to that, but some darn Republican will have trouble with you earning too much.
Well good for you Billy, everything is a choice. Careers and crime. You have chosen one, but i can tell you that i know many people in health care, dealing with life and death decisions every day that work more than 2 days per week.
Bryce: with all due respect, big difference in pay, working conditions and overall responsibility. The streets can be unforgiving and 9/10 times your on your own with most help being below your cert level. No time to yell for a doc. Let's face it, most interfacility orders require a doc. He ultimately takes responsibility for treatment decisions, as do paramedics. Similar to the er doc, people are looking to you for direction. It's a different world in the back of a box traveling 50mph with little to no help. And you work a 24 hour straight shift. Be up the entire shift running calls and see how many of those days off you spend sleeping to catch up. I should also mention most paramedics work 70-80 hrs a week to support their families. Alot of times working 36 or 48 hours straight.
Bryce: big difference in pay, responsibility, and working conditions. They certainly make more per hour, are in a controlled environment and have a doc to oversee, bark orders and take full responsibility for their patients. On the streets your on your own. Most paramedics work 24 hour shifts. It's not unusual to be awake an entire shift. On top of the fact that many ems providers work 70-80 hours a week to make what other health care professionals make. Also, to support their families. And those days off are spent sleeping, trying to get your bearings for your next shift. Just be glad there are underpaid and underappreciated cops, firefighters, and paramedics out there to save your ass when you need them. We certainly will see what happens when the investigation is complete. One thing is for sure, you will be hard pressed to find a more professional and well respected officer than an MSP Aviation Command Trooper. If your not satisfied with your combined time off per year you have a choice also. Apply and go through the required years of training to become a paid employee in one of the three career options above.
Thanks Billy. I understand its a really tough job, and thank you for doing it.
You do however bring up a point. There are laws that only allow truck drivers to be on the road for a maximum of ten hours at a time i believe. The rational is that more than that and they can become tired and potentially dangerous.
Are you saying that with life and death in the balance it is possible that you have been on the job for 23 strait hours or even 48 ? If that is true, it is completely unacceptable, and i cant imagine standard policy?
There is no evidence the perp was armed...he was running away..and no evidence that the person that was just killed is the same person that committed the alleged armed robbery last night ..for all we know they just killed an innocent person.
I know he wasn't innocent.
Really you know...so he was the same guy that committed the alleged armed robbery?
No, I know he was guilty of possession of a stolen vehicle, failure to obey a lawful order and assault with a deadly weapon, at least...
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I know he for sure was not completely innocent, he had a crack pipe and a driver's license from a non-fatal shooting victim; this is no innocent citizen. He also failed to obey orders...
Blue, we need to wait for more clarity and the investigation.
He had a knife.
He wasn't running away; he lunged at the officer.
For all we know he's just an innocent man... With a stolen vehicle.. Who didn't give up right away wen told, which goes to show he dangerous, he ran for a reason. Ramming into an officer. Then wouldn't give up again when told. So let him run. Possibly hijack a bystander, because I'm in that area every day and it's hectic at 830-9. Tell me why if he wasn't in the wrong he didn't just give up right away and tell police " hey, it's a friends car" and try to fight it the legal way.
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Sad. Very sad. How often do you see a MD State Trooper shooting someone? They are well trained and highly respected. Prayers for all involved.
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Where in this article does it state that the person who was shot is a black man?
Frederick residents Dennis Kline and Anna Smittenaar had just pulled into the Sheetz parking lot when they noticed a black man in his 40s standing behind an SUV parked next to the store
It doesn't say it was the same man.
Get ready. Here they come.
Shooting in a busy public
Place. I sure hope the suspect committed a horrendous crime.....
They hadn't ..but see to the majority posting here even Jay walking could result in you being shot down in cold blood after all you commit a "crime" and they only way to avoid being killed by a cop is to NEVER BREAK the LAW..remember that Kelly.
They were in a stolen vehicle involved in an ARMED robbery last night. Got into the vehicle against police orders, proceeded to assault a police officer with a deadly weapon. Not a major crime?
Or Dillon Taylor killed by a black cop. Your ignorance must be bliss.
Why didn't the other trooper shoot the guy? Didn't he feel threatened? Or did he just not see the need to.
Check this out a spread sheet of the people killed by the police.
http://killedbypolice.net/
Maybe you should check it out yourself, possibly take the time to read some of the articles.
He wasn't breaking any laws..well except being stopped on the road and being black...
http://www.wptv.com/news/region-n-palm-beach-county/palm-beach-gardens/man-dead-after-officer-involved-shooting-in-palm-beach-gardens
and he didn't know the cop was a cop
This shooting was just added.
BlueDawn666, please dont paint all police with the same brush, lets see what comes of the investigation. Stats can be manipulated and misrepresented to suit any agenda, in my opinion. As far as the witness who stated the officer "unloaded" too quickly and fired 8 shots or more, there was another witness who stated there were 4 shots fired, point; eyewitness testimony is the most unreliable evidence. This is a man who was thought to have commited armed robbery 12 hours prior, attacked an officer with a deadly weapon (vehicle), ignored officer commands, and attempted to flee on foot to potentially put innocent people in danger. How long should police have waited to use force, when he attempted to flee in vehicle, or run into police with vehicle, or until he fired at police? Officers want to go home to there famalies too, please stop race-baiting and be thankful this didnt end in a police standoff with this criminal in your house!
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I am not painting all cops with the same brush. also why are you all so quick to defend them BEFORE YOU KNOW ALL THE FACTS..I am merely going by what I am reading and given the past performance by cops I am erring on the side of yeah they probably over reacted and killed another unarmed black person..not race bating but stating FACT. the guy was black and was unarmed, did he have a gun???
Discharging a weapon in a populated area was smart police work? The man WAS THOUGHT to have committed an arm robbery but there was no proof he was the same man right ? He was black and all black people look alike right ? How many black people have been pulled over because the cops thought they looked like a "criminal" HOW MANY?
Yeah I am glad it didn't happen in front of my house cause I would be suing the cops later for putting my life in danger over a stolen vh.
You sure are bringing up the person's race a lot for someone who claims to not be race-baiting.
Of course you are, you hate police and think you know what it is like to be confronted or attacked by a criminal. until then, your incorrect assumptions are meaningless.
I agree with you TheChad, some arguments cant be won.
since you think you know everything look up these men..... Nehemiah Fischer, Kyle Baker, or Justin Way
Sigh, what part of this was a man was in a stolen SUV that was taken during and ARMED robbery don’t you get? Do you know what ARMED means? It means the CRIMINAL had a weapon … so when the CRIMINAL gets all VIOLENT and starts ramming police vehicles in a VIOLENT way, and is already known to be ARMED and dangerous and has already committed a felony … how about it CRIMINALS don’t want to get shot down then they stop being CRIMINALS? Or at the very least stop being violent towards police??? This guy is dead because he clearly wanted to die ... everyone knows better. Some are just too stupid to care.
Tamir Rice shooting was 'reasonable,' two experts conclude per CNN.com 10/12/15
You can't be serious.
The "WHOLE story"?? Interesting...my don't we wait for the actual whole story (i.e., investigation) to be completed before making assumptions, shall we? As for me, I'll just assume the police officer acted appropriately. Thank God for police officers keeping us safe. True heroes.
Bluedawn. Answer me one thin . All the shootings by cops. Were the vitims
In each case. Just walking down the street. Minding their own business and a cop shot them. NO. QUIT BREAKING THE LAW. Notthing else noone can say. Yes. There are bad cops. But u show me how many victims shot. Did nothing wrong.
Again, it's sad to me that we now live in a society that automatically assumes police officers are guilty and felons are "innocent victims."
That is perhaps the most absurd thing I have ever read. In fact all of the uproar is because of just the opposite. Law Enforcement judgement is rarely questioned in court cases. The universal "i feared for my life" justifies use of deadly force in virtually every circumstance.
Its just not good to have Cops shooting unarmed citizens in most cases. Lets just hope the guy was armed. Sheetz should have some pretty good video surveillance.
Look at the spread sheet I just posted
Quit breaking the law. Period. QUIT BREAKING THE LAW. obey a police officer. White black green blue. Common sense. Same old story. Innocent person. Does nothing wrong. Gets shot. QUIT BREAKING THE LAW. REPSECT POLICE.
This happened at a fairly busy place during the 0900 hour.
I'm concerned about the judgement used when firing in/around a crowded public place like this (but hopeful that good judgement was utilized). I hope the officer(s) used their best strategy and IF this HAD to be done, I hope it wasn't luck that bystanders weren't injured/killed. Just seems very, very fortunate that the officer(s) and alleged criminal were the only parties involved and immediately affected (i.e. no baby in the car, me getting out of my car as I usually use that general area for parking). Be safe out there.
Yep..Me too..sounds like the perp was not even armed and was trying to surrender..and yet the cops decided deadly force was the way to go. Also if you had been shot oh well so sad.
What part of ramming a cruiser and lunging toward the officer equates to ...this felon trying to surrender. I am calling him a felon because he had just assaulted an officer with deadly force, stolen vehicle ramming the cruiser.
Good point jasonson!
Wow just wow....Black or White when a cop tells you to freeze you freeze..you do not ram a cop car...Stop making excuses!!!! So what you let him leave wave good bye and then watch him hit a innocent by stander with his vehicle..then what..that is right you would be mad that the cops did not do anything! Being a police office can not be easy...especially with people passing judgment when they are trying to serve and protect!!!! Geeze!
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The investigation will take awhile. But in the meantime, going by two eyewitnesses, and the fact that the guy was driving a STOLEN SUV, I think we can all agree on this: Stealing a vehicle, getting apprehended while outside of it, told to freeze, ignoring that and jumping to flee, and then crashing into a police car, and then having a third police car show up, and then jumping out of the vehicle and attempting to flee on foot, and being told to stop, freeze, whatever, but being stupid enough to not listen yet AGAIN, just might very well wind up in getting shot or killed. Moral of the story: Don't commit crimes. Stop when the police say to stop. Face the music. Or, run the risk of death. Had this guy not done all of the above, he would still be alive. This has NOTHING to do with race (but the media and those who don't believe in personal accountability will say so), and EVERYTHING to do with being a criminal. And consequences!
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Eyewitnesses are very often unreliable. Note that one person heard 4 shots while others heard 6 or 8. Not saying this man wasn't guilty but to say that race had nothing to do with this goes against study after study.
"And as soon as [the man] got out of the SUV he told him to freeze and unloaded on him."..HE WAS OUT OF THE SUV. so it was freeze so I can shoot you while you are standing still? As soon as he had stepped out of the SUV he had put down his deadly weapon he was no longer a threat..and yet he was shot down in cold blood. Did he come out of the SUV holding a gun?
You were there? You saw him "put down his deadly weapon?" You determined "he was no longer a threat" based on your careful review of all of the facts of the case?? Or are you twisting what little you and we all know at this time to fit your conclusion
SUV was stolen out of Baltimore City last night. Man was order to stop and got back in the SUV and rammed police car trying to get away. per Maryland state police at noon press conference.
so how long before they said freeze before they shot him down..with Tamir Rice it was within 2 seconds. poor kid..
The CRIMINAL was ordered to stop. Then the CRIMINAL assaulted a police officer and attempted to murder him by ramming a stolen suv into this cruiser ….. Sounds like someone doesn’t have their edumication. READ!!!!
EXACT FNP Qoute .. "He said 'Don't get in the car!' Or 'Freeze!' Or something, I don't know," Kline said. "And the guy says, 'Oh **t!' Runs around, gets in the car and ... Drives off."
Why is the white cop giving a thumbs up in the one picture?
The was the green light to shoot the poor innocent unarmed black man, you see.
If you noticed he looks like he is telling the other two what happened, because his hand is not closed all the way.
A vehicle can be used as a deadly weapon, such as when it's being used to ram another occupied vehicle.
Hopefully the perp actually had a gun....or the cops have once again shot an unarmed black man.
The gun becomes a moot point when he turned the stolen SUV in to a weapon and rammed the police car.
“Trooper shot and killed a man who used a stolen SUV” .. “trooper attempted to stop the man from leaving the station” …"He was backed in and he was changing his shirt, he didn't even have a shirt on when we first pulled in" .. I mean, I guess I can stop making ASSumptions but …. You’re welcome.
And as soon as [the man] got out of the SUV he told him to freeze and unloaded on him."...not looking to good for the cop..did the guy even have a gun? had he pulled a gun on the cops as he was getting out of the SUV? Sounds like a case of black man panicking trying to get away from the cops who had suddenly descended upon him as he was putting on a shirt..
Are you serious right now? Do you even hear yourself? Its people like you that are the reason the world is crashing and burning faster than Lamar Odom can OD in a whore house. What part about the man was in a stolen SUV did you miss.. of the fact that he was stopped to change his attire (like most criminals do in an attempt to avoid a profile match) or the fact that the criminal not only DID NOT freeze but then rammed the stolen vehicle into the police cruiser???? It’s like we’re not even reading the same article.
Doesn't matter he shot an unnamed black man..why are you getting so upset? Did it say anywhere in the story that the black man was armed? I am simply pointing out the FACTS sweet pea..the cops just shot another unarmed black man..I wonder was it in the back?
He was "armed" with an SUV being used as a deadly weapon against a Frederick City police officer.
Oh.. I bet it was. I bet that cop shot that innocent non-violent man right in the back as he was fleeing for his poor little helpless life. Bahahaha, get outta here with that garbage. I am not upset at all sugar bunch. I couldn’t be more elated that my tax dollars aren’t going to house this loser who steals other people’s hard earned property and then assaults and attempts to murder the officer that is out there trying to protect people property and lives.
These are the ignorant comments/thoughts that continually do more harm than good. If you hate the cops and think they have some sort of open season then don't call them when you need them
Let's hope it wasn't in the back..let's hope I wonder when we will make the Huffpost..just a matter of hours. The Raw Story should be picking this up soon. So yeah let's hope it wasn't in the back..Also I see you are a Kardashian fan?
He was armed with a STOLEN vehicle!!!!!
You are a complete idiot!
Agree. It's not about his color, it's about the crimes he committed and the boneheaded decision to try to get away with three police cars all around him, and failing to heed the command to stop and freeze. He would still be alive if he had made better decisions.
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Seems like BlueDumb999 seems to think that cars can't kill people, . . .
He didn't have to have a gun. He took his SUV and rammed it in to a police car. His SUV became weapon!!!!! THINK, THINK..... it's not hard.
So sad that in our country police officers are assumed guilty until proven innocent.
At least here in Frederick County, gun control seems to work just fine
The LEO used his gun to control crime from spreading . . .
Yeah that's what police are trained to do. That's kinda why they exist....
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As normal the FNP can't get information for a local story. you have to go outside to find out.
"The suspect then drove his vehicle into the Frederick officer's vehicle, causing officers to open fire, ABC7 has confirmed. One person is believed to have been killed."
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It is amazing that DickD and melissallong have identified "facts" not included in the article. There is no mention of drugs, no mention of a robber no mention of stolen vehicle. Upon what information do base your statements? If you have information about drugs or robbery or stolen vehicles, should you contact the police so they can include your first hand information in their investigation?
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First paragraph does mention a stolen vehicle
No mention until now and there was cocaine, yes, I was speculating and right!
Sounds like the police had a suspect cornered and the suspect pulled a gun, we will see. Probably drug related, marijuana anyone? Okay, not marijuana, just heroin and/or cocaine, with previous marijuana arrests. Yes, we need more medical marijuana, so we can all be on a high, bah, humbug.
Melissa said it was an armed robbery, not a drug deal....we will see....
Lets see just how long before the media makes the cop a bad guy ... even though it was a cop getting rammed over and over again but a armed robber in a stolen vehicle.. whaaaaaaa Cops are bad. Guns are bad ..
right you are and especially in this rag...
So are criminals!
Go lay down. It was a MSP Trooper, not a FCSO deputy. With that said, I'm for certain the shooting was warranted....
Yep..pretty sure...
Instead of assuming things, let the investigation complete. Stop contributing to the propaganda and let the facts tell the truth.
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