As protests to reopen states occur nationwide, a local Republican delegate penned a letter to the governor questioning his executive orders and power during the coronavirus pandemic.

State law gives Gov. Larry Hogan (R) broad powers during this pandemic, however, and his actions fall within those powers, several state scholars said.

Del. Dan Cox (R-Frederick and Carroll) sent the letter to Hogan earlier this month, claiming the governor had suspended the Bill of Rights and that requiring individuals to wear "face coverings" when entering essential businesses was power not granted to him during a public health crisis.

Cox said this week the point of the letter was to ask Hogan to cite where in state law it says he has the authority to issue many of his executive orders.

"We see with some of these orders going beyond the statute as it is now, and resting upon a broad statement of Title 14 without specific reference, [which] I think is a dangerous precedent to set," Cox said. "Because then, if the governor believes he has unlimited authority to make executive orders, then we’re in a situation where the statute really is irrelevant."

Part of Cox's letter questioned the authority of the governor's executive order requiring face coverings for residents entering essential businesses like grocery stores.

"Yesterday you took another unprecedented unilateral action to force 'face coverings' to be worn by all Marylanders and others in order to enter into commerce in this state, allegedly because of an ongoing health catastrophe with coronavirus," Cox wrote.

Cox said this part of the letter wasn't meant to imply the coronavirus isn't a public health crisis, or that Gov. Hogan was implementing the order with an ulterior motive.

"I’m not explaining any intent or motive of the governor, and that’s why I was trying to explain it in that way … I would like to know: why he is doing it, and why does he think he has the statutory authority to do that?" Cox said of the face covering executive order.

But multiple scholars this week said that according to Title 14 of the state's Public Safety Article, Hogan or any other Maryland governor has broad powers during a state of emergency to protect the state's population, including requiring face coverings.

Walter Olson, who lives in New Market and is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute’s Robert A. Levy Center for Constitutional Studies in Washington, D.C., said the founding fathers considered the threat of public health pandemics when drafting the constitution, and allowing for states and local governments to have police powers during those times.

Olson added there is a "clash of rights" during these periods — like for instance, the freedom of assembly under the First Amendment and governors prohibiting large gatherings of people during a pandemic.

But he disagreed with Cox that the Constitution and Article 14 of the state's public safety statute is being violated.

"You can make a moral argument, I ought to have these rights, the government ought to recognize these rights," Olson said. "Go ahead and make that argument. What you can’t argue is the constitution has been violated, you can’t argue that the founders would be turning over in their graves if they knew what was happening."

Todd Eberly, a longtime political science professor at Saint Mary's College of Maryland, also said state law gives Hogan and any other governor broad powers during a state of emergency.

The U.S. Constitution's 10th Amendment reserves police power to the states and local governments during emergency periods caused by a public health pandemic, Eberly said.

"It's pretty clear that [Hogan is] exercising authority granted to him," he said. "Pretty much everything that he has ordered can be traced back to this section of Maryland code."

Cox, who has also championed a campaign which included protests in Annapolis over the weekend to reopen Maryland businesses amid the crisis, said Hogan's actions are preventing citizens from providing for their families and could lead to an economic collapse as small businesses close.

But Michael Greenberger, a law professor at the University of Maryland Francis King Carey School of Law, also said Hogan has broad powers under Title 14 in order to ensure public safety during a pandemic.

"Buried within Title 14 is a provision that the governor can disregard any Maryland law that interferes with his ability to deal with the emergency ... Title 14 is a very, very broad measure, once the emergency is declared," Greenberger said.

Greenberger, who also is director of the Center for Health and Homeland Security at the law school, said this power applies to requiring masks or face coverings and requiring healthy people to isolate and even vaccinate themselves if necessary.

Regarding that latter point, he pointed to a 1905 Supreme Court case, Jacobsen vs. Massachusetts, which upheld that states can require vaccinations in order to protect the state's residents.

"It's not just an individual's concern in these cases," Greenberger said of the governor's emergency powers. "It’s what the state is trying to do to protect the entire populace, and that’s balanced against the individual’s rights. What COVID-19 has brought to life is what these powers are, and how they’re exercised."

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Steve Bohnel is the county government reporter for the Frederick News-Post. He can be reached at sbohnel@newspost.com. He graduated from Temple University, with a journalism degree in May 2017, and is a die-hard Everton F.C. fan.

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Lev928

Del.Cox ...I think it's pretty clear that your constituents have spoken.

Lev928

Whether any of us agree or not on the topic, how many will place bets on the FNP shutting this comment section down? The recent pattern has been them placing their First Amendment rights before ours ... anyone? Comments? Seems to me that the First Amendment applies to everyone, not just the press.

petersamuel

Lev926: Like you I hope FNP does not close discussion down but the First Amendment only precludes a government intervening to shut down speech. FNP is an independent entity and would be within its rights...

Lev928

Here's the bottom line ... if federal and state restrictions are relaxed, the spread of the virus will become worse. Those that are "fighting" the stay-at-home orders are angry simply because employment income is diminished and social interactions are restricted. The people that are violating the restrictions are the ones responsible for spreading the virus, and they can -- and SHOULD -- be held accountable. Wait it out. Everything will go back to normal. Stock freaking out. If you weren't prepared for yourself or your family, that's YOUR fault. If you become part of the problem, that's ALSO your fault. Deal with the consequences. It's not only common sense, it's personal accountability and responsibility.

Lev928

"Stock freaking out" was intentional, by the way. For those that get it ...

Lev928

Here is some true insight ... the governor of each state has authority based upon each individual STATE constitution and law. Overall, the U.S. Constitution takes precedence and the Untied States President has worked well within the confines of it. The current situation falls into the category of a state of emergency, which gives broad powers to both the President and state governors. The problem now is that there are too many people wanting to circumvent not only law, but also common sense. If you think going back to "business as usual" now -- or in the near future -- s the correct attitude or response, then YOU are part of the problem. This is a virus, not an American business commodity. It kills human beings. Questioning medical experts isn't your right nor responsibility. Wearing a medical grade face mask mostly protect others from YOU ... not YOU from the virus. As for the recent protest that occurred in Annapolis, again, they are part of the problem with the spread of the virus not only by holding a protest, but simply by holding an unsafe, unrealistic ideology. People like them ... and like this ... are an inherent threat to the health, safety and general well-being of American citizens. The U.S. Constitution and law can only provide so much guidance. Common sense, however, will keep you alive.

Jleftwich

Reminder: it was a week ago that Trump said he had “total authority” over the states.

Lev928

Jleftwich ... the President of the Untied States does, in fact, hold authority over the whole of the country under the color of the U.S. Constitution and law. Governors have regulatory authority over individual states based upon their own state constitutions and law --- all of which must fall under the U.S. Constitution and laws. States may NOT supercede the U.S. Constitution and laws.

Piedmontgardener

What you know about constitutional law can be held in your hand.

petersamuel

Lev928, it is the right and duty of a citizen to question experts. Because experts are fallible and their expertise is limited. And their predictions and advice depend on impertfect knowledge. Just consider Dr Anthony Fauci, an intelligent and well-intentioned expert. Should he not have been questioned in the first weeks of the covid-19 pandemic when he said it wasn't something to be concerned about for Americans. Or when he claimed it had a fatality rate of 1 percent when he had no real data on the prevalence on which to base that claim, and a number now thought to be off about tenfold. Or when he said face mask wearing was unhelpful and unnecessary. This guy is not to be questioned? Really?

Lev928

petersamuel ... yes, it's the right of every American citizen to question government authority, but only so long as that governing authority is violating the U.S. Constitution or law. If they are not, then it's an individual duty to abide by such government order or action. Even if they are wrong at first, an individual can face arrest, prosecution and jail/prison time. If it turns out that the governing authority is right, then you're punished for protesting. The ideology that you infer is one that can be attributed to an anti-authority mindset. The Constitution and law hold precedence, like it or not. It's part of the ongoing law of the land in the United States.Do I like all of it? No. However, common sense in a situation like this -- a state of emergency -- gives the President and governors a broader scope of authority that falls under the U.S. Constitution and state laws.

gary4books

Of curse you (and others) can ask questions. We even ask the President questions. It also helps to understand the answers. Sometimes hey are based on limited information. When more information is collected they can change. So, keep on asking and do not be surprised if the answers change.

Piedmontgardener

That's a smart comment, I apologize for my comment below.

Lev928

No worries.

petersamuel

Del Cox raises issues that William Barr the US Attorney General is also concerned about. On the Hugh Hewitt Show, Tuesday, Barr said of state lockdown orders:

“These are very, very burdensome impingements on liberty, and we adopted them, we have to remember, for the limited purpose of slowing down the spread, that is bending the curve. We didn’t adopt them as the comprehensive way of dealing with this disease….You can’t just keep on feeding the patient chemotherapy and say well, we’re killing the cancer, because we were getting to the point where we’re killing the patient.”

“Blunt means to deal with the pandemic, such as stay-at-home orders and directives shutting down businesses, are justified up to a point. Eventually, though, states should move to more targeted measures.”

“We have to give businesses more freedom to operate in a way that’s reasonably safe. To the extent that governors don’t (allow businesses freedom to operate safely) and impinge on either civil rights or on (interstate) commerce then we’ll have to address that.”

When this winds down a bit there could be thousands of lawsuits by supposedly ’inessential’ businesses shuttered by state governments seeking compensation for their losses from being locked-down. And class action suits by groups prevented from working by state orders. And Barr could “address” the issue by throwing the weight of the US Government on their side and against the State. So it is well worth raising with Gov Hogan now whether continued lockdown orders are legally defensible. It is good to remind governors there are constitutional limits on their powers.

Jleftwich

Barr, in press release related to Covid restrictions: "The U.S. Constitution “does allow some temporary restriction on our liberties that would not be tolerated in normal circumstances."

Such confusing messaging from the Trump administration. Trump says he has "total authority" over the states. Then does a 180 and tells governors, "you guys are in charge" on when to ease restrictions.

Now Trump dispatches his lackey Barr to "throw the weight of the US gov't" around.

Jesus, is it any wonder why this administration is nothing more than a goat rodeo?

Piedmontgardener

No practicing lawyer with professional chops would take money and file a frivolous lawsuit like the ones you reference - it's a stone loser on constitutional and sovereign immunity grounds. Barr's version of a perfect Constitution is one where all rights disliked by the Republican Party disappear, he's simply a dangerous hack motivated by his religious convictions, rather than his reverence for the law who unfortunately is heading DOJ at a time it could use a steady hand. Typical Trump administration "best people." When he pocketed the Mueller report and offered his summary of it with his astounding redactions, that told you everything about Bill Barr. Strangely, a bipartisan report from the Senate Intelligence Committee completely corroborated that the Russian Government interfered in our last election - a typical Trump "hoax."

Obadiah Plainsmen

Also on Hugh Hewitt McConnell told the "States" that you might as well declare bankruptcy now and save yourself the trouble. But there goes the States public pension plans. How much money can the Federal Reserve print? And how long will the world accept the Federal reserve note as the world's currency. Boy this going to get ugly.

awteam2000

The State “public pension plan” who gets that and how is it funded? Stop the presses, “everybody goes to work tomorrow”.

KellyAlzan

on a whole different area, PA has been sued here recently for restricting businesses. all but 1 case have been dismissed by the courts. the case that the courts have allowed to proceed has some really compelling and interesting allegations. Its going to get interesting everywhere

patomd969

You'll get my vote Dan Cox along with the silent majority.

gary4books

Silent Majority? Before Nixon it had a different meaning. But right now, it fits. (Wikipedia) The phrase had been in use for much of the 19th century to refer to the dead—the number of living people is less than the number who have died throughout human history (in 2011 there were approximately 14 dead for every living person[4]), so the dead are the majority in that sense. Phrases such as "gone to a better world", "gone before", and "joined the silent majority" served as euphemisms for "died".[5] In 1902, Supreme Court Justice John Marshall Harlan employed this sense of the phrase, saying in a speech that "great captains on both sides of our Civil War have long ago passed over to the silent majority, leaving the memory of their splendid courage."

threecents

Archie Bunker lives.

Riptide262

First, I think Hogan is doing an excellent job. We need to stay locked down until RT (transmission rate) is well below 1. we are currently at 1.1 according to rt.live. That said, it is always wise to question the authority of government officials to ensure they don't abuse their power. You can easily think up with scenarios where the stay at home order does more harm than good and that is why the checks and balances are so important. This should be explored after the crisis to ensure the proper checks and balances exist.

Obadiah Plainsmen

You will soon see a lessening of restrictions by Gov Hogan. The tourist season is upon us and tourist spent $18 Billion dollars in 2018. According to Maryland Dept of Commerce that equals a savings of $1,140 for every Maryland citizen. Also Tourism supports 150,000 jobs or 6.4% of employment. As other States play ready or not we're opening up, Maryland will be forced to or lose their economy to other States.

awteam2000

It’s a quandary... If you open up businesses too soon and large crowds of patrons return without appropriate social distancing and PPE in place, you could have a worse situation... If you open businesses and no customers show up, you’ll definitely go out of business.

The final decision maker will be the “average Joe.” The general population feeling confident that the government has the safety precautions in place, to where it’s safe to go back to the norms. Over the next month, Georgia will be a good experiment in how they handle the economic crisis in a pandemic. Their tourist season starts sooner then ours.

Obadiah Plainsmen

So the decision should be made by the people? If an individual citizen or a larger % of the general population is feeling confident that the government has the safety precautions in place then they should decide upon themselves when it is time to open up the State? Are you advocating for what is happening now? Then the "broad powers" of Governor Hogan are limited to what "we the people" of Maryland say they are.

"All power is originally vested in, and consequently derived from, the people. That government is instituted and ought to be exercised for the benefit of the people; which consists in the enjoyment of life and liberty and the right of acquiring property, and generally of pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety. That the people have an indubitable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to reform or change their government whenever it be found adverse or inadequate to the purpose of its institution." James Madison

awteam2000

Isn’t that what I said?

All powers come from the people. And the people will make the final decision. If you open your business and No-one has confidence that your business is safe - you won’t be successful. If people don’t feel safe, they won’t patronizing your business. We are in the middle of a pandemic with no national coordination, no safety precautions put in place, no guidance, only an impotent national government waiting for others to come up with solutions rather than taking the lead in governing. Without public trust you’ll go bust. We look for government to provided an environment of safety where life, liberty and the ability to pursue happiness - to safely indulging in commerce and prosper, not to only call out the dead, blaming others and personal self-ratings. James Madison was advocating for whenever it be found adverse or inadequate to the purpose of its institution “throw the bomb out!”

Obadiah Plainsmen

Then I'm glad you are saying that the state lockdown was not necessary. Quarantine those who where/are sick, advise all citizens with emphasis on those most vulnerable that unless you have proper ppe (face covering) or are just afraid of covid19 the State of Maryland advises you to stay home. And this virus as with all viruses will run it's course.

Jleftwich

Re: quarantining only those who are sick or afraid, FYI, the IHME model (the one the WH uses, as well as ... well, everyone) just added another 6,000 deaths to its projection due to all of the dopes who spent the week protesting in groups.

Obadiah Plainsmen

I checked IHME website and their predictions have been consistent since they started tracking. Tomorrow 4/23 their predictions rise another 6,089 but lower than today's 6,400. In Fact their daily death prediction drops about 100. Now did IHME specifically label the rise in prediction deaths due to the dopes in the protest groups.? . Or are you sensationalizing?

Jleftwich

OP: granted, there will be variations in the model because it assumes we (the USA) are all practicing social distancing equally. Well, that's not been the case. Several states never implemented restrictions. Florida is reopening the beaches. And toss in the protesters, yes spikes will occur (see: https://r29.co/2S0iySw).

But, you already know about asymptomatic people spreading Covid.

awteam2000

You do understand the United States is like a pool 🏊‍♀️ When you pee in the deep end it all flows down to the Shallow end, infecting all. We needs a national direction. A life guarding for the whole pool protecting use from the deep end to the kiddy pool and vice versa. We need leadership in a national, world crisis. Not someone who’s first instinct is to claim it’s not his fault, standing on the sideline while folks are drowning, saying they didn’t provide me with the safety equipment...

That’s not helpful at this time, that’s not guidance, that’s not leadership.

Trump doesn’t know anymore what tomorrow will bring then you do.

And that ain’t useful. A grown man saying ”Nancy gave me a wedgie ” in the middle of a pandemic is pathetic. His own scientist disputing his diagnosis. That isn’t leadership for me, but if Incompetence works for you, go for it. That’s cool. 😎

Ccheckout how things are going in the shallow end, S.Dakota and Iowa.

gary4books

Not this year.

steelersfan2005

what a dingbat.

mamlukman

So Dan....if you were on a sinking ship and the captain ordered you to abandon ship, would you write him a memo asking if he had the legal authority to issue that order?

petersamuel

Del Cox is representing his constituents in asking what legal authority Gov Hogan has for some of his covid-19 orders. Many are asking. But maybe the more important question is whether Gov Hogan, and other governors for that matter, really need to be issuing these emergency orders that carry the force of law. Why can't they be issuing Advisories along with an effort to persuade people by way of explanations and appeals to their goodwill. Sure there will be a few people who don't take the advice in the advisory, but they are the same people who will flout the order. It is not as if Governor Hogan has the inspectors to enforce these orders anyway. He's relying on voluntary compliance. Maybe there will be more of that compliance if there is more effort at explanation and persuasion and less bossiness.

Jleftwich

Did we not try that and saw the result? He didn't impose the restrictions all at once. I know it seems as though March was forever ago. Back on March 12 once it was evident that community spread was occurring, Hogan imposed restrictions to 250 people.

But, bars, restaurants, theaters, the beach, all of them flouted the rule. So, he had to get heavy handed (like a parent would). Then the limitation decreased to 10, and some dope in Charles county held a field party with dozens of people.

I would hope by now everyone realizes this disease is not limited to immunocompromised persons. Otherwise healthy people are no longer of this earth because of Covid.

As gabrielshorn later in this thread pointed out, opening things back up will not amount to anything if customers do not have money for the goods and services.

Besides, as the article points out, there is Supreme Court precedent.

KellyAlzan

I’m not so sure. PG and Montgomery county had some cases reported and the governor flew off the handle. WS it necessary to shut down the far away counties that had no cases, or low numbers? The nursing home in Frederick became infested and the governor went hog wild. Not the best of handling of things.

gary4books

We will see.

piedmontplateau

Amazing and you have no alternative solutions! Just whining.

threecents

It was good that the governor flew off the handle when the pandemic struck the nursing home. Nursing homes are the most at risk, and we do not want to shut them down.

threecents

Businesses were not going to voluntarily shut down, and individuals are even stupider.

DeplorableLocalVeteran

The FBI warned us that supremacist were attempting to spread Covid-19 they were spot on.

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Hayduke2

Trump University perhaps?

Obadiah Plainsmen

President Trump and Governor Hogan both claim that by executive action they have "broad powers". What are they and are there limits?

awteam2000

See: https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/197/11

Obadiah Plainsmen

I believe that case is not a good reference because its been a 115 years since then and neither public health nor constitutional law is the same. So again, does Governor Hogan have unrestrained powers even in quarantine situation? I agree he does have the power to quarantine those who are sick, because they do need some authority. But does he have the authority to tell every person in their state to stay home, except the ones he deems that can go to work? When he limits gatherings to 10, or even less, does he have the authority to abrogate the First Amendment’s right of freedom of assembly?

DickD

Op, although I agree with Hogan I always thought the order for all to stay home is unconstitutional. Maybe we will find out more before this is over.

Waltsun

How many letters has this nitwit written to Trump, as that egomaniacal moron decimates our democracy and constitution on an hourly basis? I’m glad this fool is not in charge of running our state. Hogan is doing a great job, I wish he was in the White instead of the head moron. BTW I’m not a Republican.

rlmmkm

I see Cox's term in office not being repeated after the next election.

DeplorableLocalVeteran

The hoax is totally under control and can be treated with hydroxychloroquine so let’s open er up.

Brookhawk

You forgot the /s

threecents

Maybe you missed this article in today's paper.

https://www.fredericknewspost.com/public/ap/more-deaths-no-benefit-from-malaria-drug-in-va-virus-study/article_08836583-b798-5827-98a2-4111b7466bd5.html

threecents

"There were more deaths among those given hydroxychloroquine versus standard care, researchers reported." Not at all a surprise to me and other scientists.

piedmontplateau

congrats on actually attempting a solution, but if you watched things besides fox news, you would understand that it's not that simple - only for Trump clowns. unfortunately, your delusion is not a hoax.

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Hayduke2

charlie - perhaps if people would follow the MD's advice, your uninformed rant would not be necessary.

Piedmontgardener

Interesting that the letter contained no substantive legal analysis of the constitutional issues. He just "knows" it. Of course, the Governor's powers concerning health, safety and welfare under both the Declaration of Rights and the U.S. Constitution are essentially plenary in the face of an epidemic and Cox knows this, but wants to offer a time wasting stunt in the same vein as the President of the United States who like to encourage insurrection. This guy needs a one way ticket out of office. Worse yet, he knows the science behind these orders, yet believes his fantasy version of the constitutional issues trumps it, all pun intended. Disgusting.

CRSmith88

The constitution is like the bible, nobody reads it but they somehow manage to live their lives by them and notify the public with carefully crafted bumper stickers.

rlmmkm

When is this sniveling little baby up for re-election? I hope he enjoyed his time in office as I see it coming to an end at the next election.

schaeferhund

Alas, 2022. And Maryland doesn't have state or federal recall elections. We're stuck with him. But it's not too soon to mobilize everyone in District 4. He and Hough have to go.

CRSmith88

This guy is doing his job desperately speaking up for his community that voted him in. Unfortunately for him, the republican governor knows where his bread is buttered and nobody cares what an incompetent neckbeard in a suit is saying when the underlying message is that he wishes he held residency long enough in VA to be able to run there. I'm just saying, that beard doesn't seem like a constitutional technicality is it's strong suit to argue.

threecents

Sorry, What?

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CheetoBenito

Please don't start.

jakereed

There seems to be two groups of Americans who strongly favor on-going quarantine. Those who still have jobs and those that never had a job to begin with. Don't underestimate how desperate the situation is for some of your fellow Americans. The ultimate D-Bag, elitist, reaction to this is to sit back and criticize someone for wanting to put food on their table.

Jleftwich

Ok, pretend you're in charge. Where do you find the balance of ensuring the safety of citizens and getting the economy going again?

jakereed

I actually don't have a problem with the way Hogan has handled things up until now. But it's ridiculous to think that it can continue a lot longer without a much bigger problem being created. Poverty (and the criminal activity it brings) will kill more people than this virus ever could. Mostly I just can't stand the elitist jerks, with secure jobs, who want to sit on the sideline and throw bombs at the "deplorables" for wanting to work. Yeah, I'm glad that you're enjoying your time at home with the kids but things aren't going nearly as well for a lot of other people.

gabrielshorn2013

[thumbup] agreed jakereed. It is a balancing act. Many people will not have jobs to come back to if this goes out for an extended period, hence the payroll protection act. With no income, or chance for an income because the small companies have folded, what other options will those unemployed have? Remember, 49% of all jobs in the US are with small companies, and that we have a service economy now, not a manufacturing economy. If customers don't have money to purchase those goods or services because they have been out of work, how long will it really take for the economy to even partially recover?

awteam2000

Hogan said, he wants to open the economy as soon as it’s safe. He described his balancing act will be based on - mass testing and science, the ability to contain and trace new cases, number of hospitalizations, intensive care patient and fatalities, before we can open businesses.

He also said, he will take full responsibility in reopening Maryland's economy.

DickD

You don't think being dead is not worse? [sad] A member of the Trump cult for sure!

gabrielshorn2013

Yes dick, being dead is worse, but look at the big picture. Is the predictable rise in crime acceptable if companies fold, and the level of long-term unemployment skyrockets? What are these people expected to do? Should they not be angry that, through no fault of their own, they have no long-term job prospects because many small companies folded, and lose everything, despite being fully employed earlier? Can the tax base support such long-term unemployment benefits until the level of unemployment comes back to "normal"? Some estimates are as high as 30+% for an extended period due to COVID-19. The Great Depression only had 24.9% at it's height in 1933.

https://www.thebalance.com/unemployment-rate-by-year-3305506

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/coronavirus-job-losses-could-total-47-million-unemployment-rate-of-32percent-fed-says.html

jakereed

That's the kind of emotional (not to mention irrational) response I've come to expect from some people, Dick. "Well, it's better than being dead". But that logic, nobody should have ever been leaving the house BEFORE the pandemic. We all woke up every morning with a tiny little possibility of death. For the vast majority of healthy working-age adults they'll still be far more likely to die in a car accident than from the Wuhan virus. Our emphasis should be on protecting the vulnerable and getting everyone else back to work. But by all means, Dick, feel free to stay safe indoors indefinitely. Nobody is stopping you.

Jleftwich

"Our emphasis should be on protecting the vulnerable and getting everyone else back to work."

Otherwise healthy people have succumbed to this disease. And the lucky otherwise healthy ones to survive it have at the very least reduced lung capacity, if not one less organ. The healthy ones can also be asymptomatic. But, you sound like a fairly intelligent person and probably already know this.

There already is a plan in place from the WH and CDC to reopen the economy in phases, with each state going through the rubric to ensure they pass each requirement. Unfortunately, several states have scuttled those plans and have jumped right to Phase 4: flipping the switch and throwing open the doors. I'm not sure why Georgia Gov. Kemp thinks bowling alleys are critical to the economy. And Trump certainly didn't help matters by encouraging widespread protests, I've never seen a president so determined to inflict undue damage.

The IHME model, routinely cited by the WH says most areas of the country should remain closed until May 25. There will be some states that can reopen earlier, but those are likely to be the upper mid-west, less populated areas.

We need to be smart, and not overwhelm our already burdened healthcare system. That is the main thrust of the effort to go slowly.

piedmontplateau

stop generalizing. you've got enough energy to get online and comment, why be so lazy about your generalizations?

gabrielshorn2013

Who are you addressing piedmont?

Hayduke2

jake- you forgot the third group, the one that believes in science, medical expertise and would like to make sure they live to see another trip around the sun. Happy Earth Day!

jakereed

1) Medical experts aren't economists and economists aren't medical experts. So, it would be foolish to base our decisions entirely on the recommendations from either group.

2) I've noticed that the people who are saying "I believe in science" are the same people who, prior to the pandemic, were arguing that males are essentially the same as females and there are 63 different genders. In other words, they don't believe in "science" at all unless it supports a narrative they're trying to push. Happy Earth Day to you too!

Hayduke2

Your second point is gratuitous at best, is designed to denigrate and serves no purpose. Your first point is valid, but without some ability to control the virus, ensure people's health and working conditions and protect customers, there is no economy.

piedmontplateau

I will listen to economists and doctors, but we definitely shouldn't take ANY advice from a tea party clowns. Do you have any constructive ideas, or do you prefer to whine about Hogan's decisions?

Moon otter

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awteam2000

Jakereed, You forgot the folks who want to return to safe work environment.

Moon otter

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DickD

Yeah, and Gabe said there might not be jobs to come back to, ignoring he may not be alive to come back to one.

gabrielshorn2013

Spoken like a retiree on easy street at the end of their lives with no other obligations dick. You have a very simplistic view of the world, bud. You apparently didn't have parents that were severely impacted by the Great Depression. I did. I asked above if the predictable level of crime is also acceptable to you. It is predictable if there are no jobs, and no hope to get one in the future. I am pretty well set, but I do think about people other than myself, who may have lost everything. Desperate times often result in desperate actions by desperate people. But that's OK with you.

DickD

Gabe you have no idea of what you are talking about. My sister was born at the height of the Depression. I was born later

As far as being without money, we weren't. My father ran a gas station, my mother ran a snack bar, we had a hired man to help because my father also had a laundry route.

If you are willing to work, you can always find work, even if you have to make it.

gabrielshorn2013

Thanks for confirming that you are out of touch with people whose finances will be ruined by a continued shutdown, Dick. The longer this goes on, the less likely it will be that the economy will snap back, because those companies will go under, and those jobs will be gone. Once their personal credit rating tanks, it will take years to recover even when the economy rebound. You still fail to acknowledge the fact that as chronic unemployment increases, so will the crime rate. Look it up, as it is well documented. Are you ready for that, and is it OK?

threecents

Jake, The issue is that Del. Dan is arguing this from a legal angle.

piedmontplateau

Wow - did you conduct a study of ALL the people that support the quarantine? Can you send a link? Where did you get your info? Oh right you didn't. You just decided to rant, Fox News Style. Another tea partier who pretends he knows what he's talking about.

public-redux

"scholars" = pointy head elitists. Real Americans know better than to listen to experts.

duffy5x

I can’t believe you actually typed that sentence. I’m embarrassed for you since you obviously are proud of your ignorance.

gabrielshorn2013

[unsure] SMH...sarcasm is lost on this one.

piedmontplateau

"Real Americans" = tea party clowns who "know" more than EVERYONE.

George C.

As an Edit to the previous post. The quote should read “Those who would trade liberty for a little security, deserve neither liberty nor security.”

Jleftwich

This quote is being co opted and tossed around quite a bit. I think you should do a deep dive into its REAL meaning, I think the results would be eye opening for you.

Piedmontgardener

J- that would spoil the part where George gets to chose what he "thinks" about it.

threecents

You can have both, so why throw away either?

DickD

Those that are dead have neither, security of liberty. "Live to fight another day"!

George C.

I cannot believe all the sheeple on this thread. You have completely lost your sense of freedom. You believe whatever you’re told by the media and politicians that continually lie to you. How can you be so blind? Are you so desperate to suckle at the power teet that you would surrender your very freedom? Perhaps it’s that you believe this will be the extent of the restrictions? No one man should have the power to make laws at his own will. That’s idiotic and reckless. How could you be so obtuse? Is it intentional? Dan cox like many others, are trying to ensure that this country doesn’t turn into another Germany under the nazi party. There have been far worse viruses than this one, and we didn’t shut our country down and impose our will on private business to make them close. My hat is off to Dan Cox. As Benjamin Franklin said, “Those who would sacrifice liberty for a little temporary freedom, deserve neither liberty nor freedom. But I guess that’s outdated right? He didn’t face the same things as us, right? Well, that’s somewhat true, he faced far more dire circumstances, and still wouldn’t exchange his liberty for security. Also, remember this, you’re not just trading your liberty, you’re trading the liberty of our children too. Stop being so gullible. Question what those in power say. For those in power say what is necessary to keep them in power, not necessarily what is true.

duffy5x

Um...yeah. You used the “word” sheeple. You can’t play with adults ever again.

threecents

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DickD

LMAO

DickD

Let us know your funeral arrangements so we can watch it on U Tube

Moon otter

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armillary

Hogan has made a reasonable request, supported by science. Benjamin Franklin understood quite a bit about science, as well as being one of the founding fathers. I'm quite sure Benjamin Franklin would approve of Gov. Hogan's action on face masks. I respect Benjamin Franklin. You and Dan Cox couldn't hold a candle to Benjamin Franklin, because you have no respect for science. Just tea party false patriots.

Piedmontgardener

[thumbup] Precisely, armillary, precisely.

Moon otter

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KellyAlzan

Ok, but reading your rant, it makes me wonder if you read the story in its entirety.

Jleftwich

Ah, the siren song of anti-government folks...quoting Ben Franklin. If you're going to quote him, at least get it right:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Franklin was writing on BEHALF of the Pennsylvania state legislature, writing to the local lord governor. Basically he was saying, "Dude. We need to raise money to secure the frontier, and fight off the indians. And we need to levy taxes on the Penn family."

Whoa. Ben Franklin was all about raising taxes? Oh, and this quote was really just about raising some funds for the collective security of colony? It appears that way.

But, I digress.

This threat from Covid is real. Lots of people are dead: nearly 46,000 in the US as of this moment. Residents of this state are being asked to sacrifice for the collective good of society. It sucks, no rosy way to put it. And people need to get back to work, but safely.

The picture you paint of our society being led to Nazi-like rule is nonsensical. Our state (thankfully) is being led by reasonable, intelligent, and competent people.

Joeseamhead

Jleftwich is interpreting the Franklin quote accurately. That Old Ben quote has been twisted into almost exactly opposite from what he was talking about by many misinformed people.

Lev928

Jleftwich speaks in plain, simple and intelligent language. All of you anti-President are starting to learn that your ideology is FALSE. Especially in this historical case. If you want to be anti-President Trump and anti-government now, go ahead ... see how that works out for you in the end. How many of you anti-Trump and anti-government commenters were prepared for this? How many of you went out a robbed grocery store shelves of essential items that others also needed? How many of you actually had the intelligence to pay attention to the the news on this virus BEFORE it hit the United States? How many of you had/have the due diligence and preparedness to take care of your family financially, with supplies and a righteous mindset when this started? My intelligent, trained and experienced mindset says that most of you were not prepared. Nor will you ever be. Hence, you are a liability.

olefool

Go back and chew on your Faux News GeorgeC... You lost me when you said " No one man should have the power to make laws at his own will". Is that a Trumpism or what???? By the way, there's a business open where you can get a hair cut, a manicure, a clean shirt and tie and a smile... it's called a funeral home, so go on out and roam around with the rest of the Qanons and have a nice demise....

CheetoBenito

Post of the day. Thank you!

Moon otter

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NorthernStar

Your quote: “No one man should have the power to make laws at his own will.” Guess you didn’t mean to include “I’m above the law, total power” DJT? Just wondering.

Hayduke2

Hey George - How did you react to the president declaring " I have total authority " and inciting people to rise up against a duly elected government? I perfer to sacrifice a little personal freedom for a chance at some more time to enjoy living.

Lev928

hayduke is intelligent. I'd enjoy pre-planning and prepping with him/her ANY day!

Brookhawk

You have things exactly backwards.

piedmontplateau

Another tea partier pretending to know the constitution. Why don't you offer real solutions, even if they are disagreed with, at least your not just whining then. But throwing around Ben Franklin, the words "liberty" and "security," made you a constitutional scholar. That was a very long rant, and once again - no ideas for re-opening.

piedmontplateau

Sheeple are people that use the word "sheeple" because they saw it on one of their Q-ANON message boards and decide to regurgitate it in the most unoriginal ways. A tea party extremist using the word "sheeple." Shocking.

mrnatural1

George,

Most people support "freedom" and "liberty". If people were only putting themselves at risk by ignoring public health officials' recommendations, I'd say 'go for it!' People have the right to put themselves in danger.

Unfortunately, with a world-wide pandemic, they are not only putting themselves at risk -- they are endangering others, No one has the right to do that.

As the saying goes, "The right to swing my fist ends where the other man’s nose begins."

LAR1

For all the virus pandemic deniers, such as Cox, the gov of Georgia, the protesters, etc., I have a plan for them. Since they think the virus is less important than temporary loss of freedoms and the economy, and since they appear to not honor life, they and their families should volunteer for (or get a job at) curbside testing sites. Since they are deniers, they would not need PPE or any other infection control methods (other than something to protect the public from them), they would be too busy to complain, and they would help flatten the curve.

Lev928

LAR1 ... great idea! It would be natural selection in progress.

Greg F

What is it that republican politicians seem to ignore expert advice, science and what is good for the method to stop the spread of this deadly virus? It’s a national phenomenon that seems to blond them all to caring that others can and will die if this is just back to business too early. Fox News has a mantra that has been crafted for decades to spawn idiocy and distrust of policies that make sense and this kool-aid drinker seems to align himself with the anti-science movement of the fringe right like Fox and Friend, that orange thing occupying the Oval Office and more than a handful of senators and congress that clearly have stated getting back to business as usual is paramount even if it kills people. Time to clean house this coming election of those that have zero respect for sciences and people and for those that agreed to let big businesses get the small business help.

bosco

Do you watch a lot of Fox news, FNP2411?

Jleftwich

"Fox News Targets Early May for Employees to Return to Work" (source: https://bit.ly/2KrkdMY)

Odd for a news outfit to be pushing the idea that Covid is less of a problem thatn the common flu and it's just a partisan media out for Trump, yet they're telling their own people to stay home. So, everything they're saying, they don't actually believe. Imagine my surprise.

CheetoBenito

I would guess he doesn't. I would also bet he doesn't eat out of his toilet, either.

threecents

LoL

Hayduke2

Do you watch a lot of CNN, NBC, CBS, NPR, or a myriaid of other news stations or just Fox News bosco?

Joeseamhead

There basically is no such thing as Fox “News”

armillary



Cox says that Hogan is weird
to fight the pandemic Trump reared
one more right-wing nut case
who won't cover his face
as he's so very proud of his beard.

DickD

[lol] Good one aw

CheetoBenito

Awesome!!!!

bpswp

So Cox asks, "Why?" I can just imagine the shortsightedness of those who voted for Cox.

niceund

Mr. Delegate....you obviously do not care about Maryland residents. Please move. I'm really tired of reading about your blind activism.

threecents

Del. Dan, Last time you were featured in this forum, you invited me to Annapolis to have coffee with you, and I responded that we could have coffee while having a discussion right here. I asked some questions but got no responses, so here they are again:

1) I thought I remembered you from the Monocacy River board controversy as someone who favored property rights over mandatory wetlands preservation. Was that you?

2) Since you know a lot about pandemic vaccines, how close do you think we are to a universal flu vaccine? And what do you think about the polio vaccine controversy?

3) What do you think would happen if the 1918 influenza virus appeared next flu season?

threecents

FNP editor, Thanks for formatting my post!

DeplorableLocalVeteran

72 percent of Americans support quarantine measures remaining in effect until doctors and public health officials say it is safe. That includes 55 percent of Republicans, 88 percent of Democrats and 70 percent of independents.

jamesnee

Historically, the citizens of Maryland have supported the intent of the law; in this case to save lives. The intentions of Governor Hogan are not in question. In every moment the intentions of the president are in question: for this reason, governors across the Country have banded together to fill the void.

chyandqt

Cox, again if you read the book on laws you would have saw that part and Larry Hogan is helping each and every one is us..........WTG Hogan

phydeaux994

Delegate Cox, you have chosen the wrong side AGAIN!!??

Jleftwich

Del. Cox is just hastening the end of his political career.

yogib

Del Cox has been fooling Dist. 4 voters. I would think they are soaking up his destructive positions a lot differently now.

The Grape of Wrath

If a nuclear bomb went off in DC, and Hogan ordered everyone to stay inside to reduce their radiation exposure, Del. Cox would still question Hogan's authority and demand their "freedom" to go outside and die. That's what the maga-hatted protesters are demanding, only it's us they are demanding go outside, not them.

FrederickFan

Cox is not a very good lawyer. It seems everyone disagrees with his interpretation. He is also on the wrong side of public health and protecting life. I have no idea who would pay this man to be their lawyer.

DickD

The deplorables would choose Cox

Lev928

FrederickFan ... Yes! If he -- and others with his ideology -- have their way, the virus fatalities will skyrocket. Politics have no business mixing with health and public safety.

schaeferhund

Crap. Maryland has no recall elections for state and federal. Two more years of this.

DickD

Even if Cox is right - I don't think that he is, almost everyone will support Hogan. We don't want the coronavirus to get worse and that's what Cox"s statement would cause. We want to go back to a normal life style, not be cooped up forever.

threecents

Don't worry, Del. Dan said he did his Ph.D. thesis on pandemics, so I'm sure he knows what he is doing.

Lev928

DickD ... exactly right!

schaeferhund

We need a recall election. Get Dan Cox out of the House of Delegates.

Laura L

Any politician who has not worked as a doctor or nurse needs to find a quiet spot to think for some time. Your skewed agenda about supposed rights does not compare to my healthy agenda.

Lev928

Laura L is 110% right!

Hayduke2

Cox is pandering and using this for his own political base.

Jim Hartley

Exactly right, hay duke. You nailed it. Thanks.

DeplorableLocalVeteran

The extremist politicians who are encouraging reckless and risky public interaction during a pandemic are advocating viral suicide bombings and they should be charged and caged.

Lev928

DeplorableLocalVeteran ... you are 110% correct.

DeplorableLocalVeteran

Gov Hogan they’ll never accept you because you’re a decent man.

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