Frederick Hospital Ambulance Entrance

Two ambulances arrive at the emergency department entrance at Frederick Health Jan. 3. The hospital switched to a crisis standards of care last week in response to a surge in COVID cases.

In the wake of unprecedented staffing shortages and patient surges, Frederick Health Hospital shifted to "crisis standards of care" Monday, giving the hospital and health care system flexibility to care for patients with the highest levels of need.

This step is only taken in times of emergency, when the demand for health care exceeds the health system’s ability to provide it, Frederick Health said in a Monday news release. Making the move will allow the county’s largest health system to care for as many patients as possible with the staffing and resources it has available, according to the release.

Changes to protocol may include:

  • Modifying surgical schedules consistent with Gov. Larry Hogan’s recent orders (the governor directed hospitals to suspend elective surgeries on Dec. 29)
  • Expediting hospital discharges when safe and appropriate
  • Transitioning to telehealth care options when applicable
  • Simplifying documentation
  • Re-deploying clinical and nonclinical staff members to areas with the greatest need

The shift comes as Frederick Health sees a dramatic uptick in coronavirus hospitalizations and patient levels. As of noon Monday, there were 104 people hospitalized because of the virus in the health system, down from 107 on Saturday — the highest number so far during the pandemic. Nearly 70 percent of Monday's coronavirus patient population was unvaccinated.

Frederick County overall logged 546 new cases and two more deaths on Monday, according to the local Health Department’s COVID-19 dashboard. The local positivity rate was 30.64 percent — higher than state levels, which stood at 26.87 percent. Positivity levels are calculated by dividing the number of COVID-19 positive test results by the total number of test results.

The health system's announcement also comes a day before Hogan is scheduled to announce additional emergency action in response to the pandemic. The governor has a news conference scheduled for 10 a.m. Tuesday.

Frederick Health Chief Senior Vice President Cheryl Cioffi called the shift to crisis standards of care “significant” and said it will allow the health system to best support its health care workers and other team members.

“This is a crisis, and we are doing everything within our power to bring the right resources to the table,” Cioffi, who is also Frederick Health’s chief operating officer, said in the release. “Making sure that Frederick Health is here for our community is paramount.”

According to the Maryland Institute for Emergency Medical Services Systems’ County/Hospital Alert Tracking System, Frederick Health Hospital was on yellow and red alert Monday afternoon. Under this system, red alert means hospitals have no more ECG-monitored beds available, and yellow alert means the hospital’s emergency department is temporarily requesting it receive absolutely no patients in need of urgent medical care.

Moving forward, Frederick Health leadership and clinical teams will monitor patient volumes and staffing levels daily and will re-evaluable crisis level protocols accordingly, Monday’s release read. Officials at the health system remain in touch with federal, state and community partners; and the Maryland Hospital Association to “ensure consistency and alignment across the healthcare delivery system,” according to the release.

Frederick Health Hospital is joining other health care centers in Maryland that have previously announced moves to crisis standards of care, including Johns Hopkins Bayview Medical Center, centers run by University of Maryland Capital Region Health and the University of Maryland Upper Chesapeake Medical Center.

On Thursday, Carroll Hospital issued a letter jointly with Carroll County’s Health, Public Safety and Fire/EMS departments in which it pleaded with community members to get vaccinated, take precautions and follow other steps to protect the county’s overloaded health system.

“Carroll County – this is real,” the letter read. “We are in a very difficult situation. This is not about politics or personal beliefs. This is about taking care of ourselves, each other, our first responders, our healthcare providers, and our community."

In implementing crisis standards of care, Frederick Health hopes to “manage expectations within the community about the reality of what our hospital is facing and how this may impact care,” Monday’s release read.

To reduce the burden on the hospital, the release said community members should protect themselves and others against COVID-19 by getting vaccinated, getting boosted, wearing a mask and practicing social distancing. They should also call their doctor or use urgent care for non-life-threatening issues if they aren’t feeling well, the release read.

Those who seek care at the hospital’s emergency department will be triaged by a clinician for the most appropriate care site and may be redirected to an outpatient facility if they are not experiencing a true emergency, according to the release.

During Thursday’s Board of Health meeting — in which the body ultimately voted to institute a mask mandate for public indoor spaces — Frederick Health Chief Medical Officer Dr. Kathy Weishaar shared that the health system has had patients wait for over 11 hours to be seen in its ER.

She also noted the health system is currently limited more by staffing shortages than by a shortage of beds or space. Over the last two years, Frederick Health has seen clinical staff members leave the medical field altogether due to burnout, while other employees have taken early retirements or pursued more lucrative jobs, she told the health board.

Frederick Health’s announcement Monday came after Hogan released further steps Maryland would take to suppress the surge of the virus: Masks are now required in state buildings, and state employees who receive their booster shot may request two hours of paid leave.

In the health system’s release, President and CEO Tom Kleinhanzl said Frederick Health will continue delivering the best possible care to its community.

“We will get through this crisis, as we have so many before,” he said.

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(68) comments

gabrielshorn2013

So much for the lame excuse that CoViD patients have comorbidities. 574 kids are being hospitalized every day due to CoViD-19.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/03/health/texas-childrens-hospital-covid-surge/index.html

HappySeller2014

Easy way to look at this.

You are going into battle. Your enemy is unseen. Like COVID. You cannot avoid this battle. The enemy is everywhere threatening the welfare of many.

So, you have two choices.

One, prepare by putting on your USGI camoflague uniform and M-65 jacket over a flak jacket. Provided by the US government free as part of your participation, just like COVID shots are provided free now.

Or two, prepare by getting naked.

I know what I am gonna do to prepare. So do most others locally and in Maryland. For those who prefer the nudist route, I will send the medics and grave detail for you once I accomplish my mission and defeat COVID with my fellow wise warfighters.

And, by the way, as my fellow warfighters are taking the hill from COVID, we are silent on microchips, magnetism and political freedoms. We are just focused on protecting our entire military force, taking as few casualties as possible, and defeating COVID. However, we are all really pissed all the medics seem overwhelmed taking care of all the fallen nudists.

It is as simple as this illustration, my friends.

HappySeller2014

PS.

All of us fighting the enemy in camo and flak jackets and helmets are suffering either superficial wounds or just nicks and scratches.

All the nudists are suffering horrible and extensive injuries, some of which will be around for the long haul and require Veterans Affairs hospital visits for decades into the future.

Who would have thought that bodily protection could mean so much? So many of the nudists, going through triage and burning through taxpayer dollars for medical care, never seemed to figure this out.

Fiver

To the folks lecturing us about fear mongering and panicking over omicron, if a variant is “milder” but still overwhelms the health care system, you need to worry about it.

runjdon

Yup. [thumbup][thumbup]

Hayduke2

Fiver - [thumbup][thumbup] Really kinda seems logical, no?

Pro-Choice/Privileged W. Woman

Apparently Hayduke2 didn't read all the comments before he made this comment was my logical conclusion when I read your comment Hayduke2....I'm sure you kept reading......because as you saw there are ways to make the logical sound illogical so it sounds logical.....Really kinda seems illogical, yes?

bhall74

Once again, the usual suspects are using this forum to politicize vaccinations, accusing those who are unvaccinated as threatening the health and safety of everyone. At the same time, we are hearing from health professionals that the Omicron variant may be what we need to develop herd immunity and finally bring the pandemic to an end.

What the FNP article does not address is how many of those hospitalized with Covid are fully vaccinated. It appears that in Houston nearly half of those hospitalized with Covid are fully vaccinated. (https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/nearly-half-of-omicron-cases-in-houston-hospital-system-among-vaccinated-study_4191105.html?utm_source=Morningbrief&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2022-01-04&mktids=2164b04e22d32ab99628001bc4a429d5&est=Za4YpxdFNSmGbhGQgzy0TRcJhQyzGu8VGAIfWWjTFHmfmS3TQ%2FWf5lUmzprkAsU%3D)

Unfortunately, the linked article I provided does not provide any details on the age or comorbidity of those who are fully vaccinated and still suffering from a “breakthrough” infection. What the article does say is that vaccinations still appear to be effective at preventing infection from the original and delta variants of Covid-19, but less effective against Omicron. However, according to researchers, Omicron is “…causing less severe illness…” and “…patients with Omicron are less likely to go to the emergency room or require hospitalization….”

My questions for FHH: (1) What Covid variants are present in those hospitalized? (2) What is the vaccination status of those hospitalized? and (3) What are the ages of those hospitalized?

public-redux

I was just chatting with someone who had long Covid. He missed 6 months of work and finally "retired" due to disability.

Greg F

Hall-boy…the article clearly sets 30% had been vaccinated and 70% not. What did you not see? It’s the unvaccinated that are spreading this by large margins. Derrr.

bhall74

Greg F, you obviously failed to read the article in its entirety, or failed to comprehend what you read. The article VERY CLEARLY states that of 862 people tested, 430 (49.8%) met the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) definition of a breakthrough case, or a COVID-19 case that occurs among vaccinated people. What you apparently fail to appreciate from the article is the fact that being fully vaccinated is not necessarily a protection against Omicron. I suspect those who have been vaccinated and are hospitalized with Omicron are most likely seniors or those with a comorbidity, but the article doesn't address that.

shiftless88

bhall; a recent article in the FNP noted that all of the COVID patients in the ICU were unvaccinated.

Pro-Choice/Privileged W. Woman

Hall

Let me explain to you what Standard Crisis Of Care means.(yeah it would be nice if the article addresses the specifics but the specifics are irrelevant once you arrive at the hospital needing Covid care) .Standard Crisis of Care means if you go to the hospital needing Covid care and you haven't been vaccinated...and if I go to the hospital needing Covid care and I have been vaccinated, I will be the one that receives Covid care...because I have a better chance of surviving because I am vaccinated..you on the other hand since you weren't vaccinated will be placed on a gurney someplace and kept comfortable until you recover on your own or die...the hospital doesn't have the resources to treat us both and providing someone with Covid care that hasn't been vaccinated is a waste of their resources...I did everything possible to ensure my survival and I can't help if I have to be around people like you that didn't....so yeah I am going to get the Covid care before you do...so perhaps go and get your vaccine..just in case....

Standard Crisis of Care is another way of saying Triage

A process for sorting injured people into groups based on their need for or likely benefit from immediate medical treatment. Triage is used in hospital emergency rooms, on battlefields, and at disaster sites when limited medical resources must be allocated....right now our hospitals are a disaster site..so it's best to be prepared just in case..you have to battle Covid in a hospital...

gabrielshorn2013

bhall74, due to mutations, the current vaccines are not 100% protective against omicron. No vaccine is 100% effective in preventing infection. However, the vaccines do provide a high level of protection against serious disease and death. You are conflating two issues here. vaccination rate/breakthrough rates, and hospitalization/ICU rates. You may get a breakthrough infection resulting in mild symptoms, but are unlikely to get a serious infection requiring the ICU or morgue. The whole "comorbidity" thing is a red herring, as just about everyone has a "comorbidity" such as being overweight/obese, hypertension, Type I/II diabetes, asthma, age, etc. Even perfectly healthy people are getting sick and requiring hospitalization, or dying, albeit at a lower rate.

saogirl52

BHall, I really didn't see the CDC numbers you quote, but they could have been edited out in some editions of this story. It doesn't matter; I'm not going to argue about it because it makes no difference in the end. Vaccinated folks aren't totally immune from gettinv Covid. It's just they aren't getting as sick or requiring as much hospital care as those vaccinated. Imagine getting Covid is like being in an automobile accident. Would you rather get hit by a dump truck or a bicycle? The numbers that do matter in this articles is the number of people hospitalized. 70% are unvaccinated. They're who are clogging up the system. Not the folks who may get it and never need medical care. There's a huge difference here. That's why you need to wear a mask whether or not you're vaccinated. You could still have it, not be sick, and pass it along to someone who's unvaccinated--someone who has a better chance of winding up at FHH. Quit making this more difficult to understand than it is. Choosing to confuse some readers is not doing anyone any favors and could put them in harm's way. And BTW, this is, and has never been a political issue. I don't care who you vote for. Either does Covid, an equal opportunity virus. Get vaccinated to minimize the chance of being hospitalized. Wear a mask to minimize the chance of passing the virus on to someone who will need to be hospitalized.

Awteam2021

Curious Bill Hall, which comments in this thread do you find political? If not yours and JSK. What’s your point?

Wearing masks adds a level of protection. That’s political?

Masks mitigate the spread of the virus it doesn’t illuminate the spread of the virus. From covering your mouth and nose to KN95 and N95 masks all minimize the spread of the various at different degrees. But not being vaccinated, not wearing any face covering and not following social protocols makes you more vulnerable and viral, a greater threat in spreading the virus. Do you get it now?

bhall74

Saogirl52, the CDC Research numbers I quoted are still in the article and have not been edited out. You and others on this FNP comment page are acting as if it is only the unvaccinated that are getting sick and requiring hospitalization. As the article I referenced clearly points out, 50% of those who are HOSPITALIZED in Houston are fully vaccinated. Therefore, this continued whining about the unvaccinated being the ones clogging up the hospitals is NOT TRUE…at least in Houston, but I suspect it holds true at FHH as well, notwithstanding their claims to the contrary.

The issue we are currently facing is Omicron, which appears to be an equal opportunity infection, in that it infects the vaccinated and unvaccinated equally. Based on the Houston CDC research, half of those hospitalized are vaccinated and infected with Omicron. That’s why I am questioning the data that is coming out of FHH and the Board of Health.

Since so many have asked about my vaccination status, Yes, I am fully vaccinated to include the booster and I wear a mask when I am outside. Nonetheless, I’ve heard several doctors say on TV, it’s not a matter of IF everyone ultimately gets Covid, it’s just a matter of WHEN.

Pro-Choice/Privileged W. Woman

Hall

None of us mind playing George to your Gracie....they were a true comedic duo..Just Google them if you are unfamiliar with George and Gracie

George Burns & Gracie Allen Show S2E22 Gracie confuses a desk with a person (Jul 3, 1952)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmKRoNPJOFU

threecents

BH74, Greg was talking about Hospitalized patients - not everyone who tested positive.

bhall74

three, and Greg was wrong.

saogirl52

BH--i've re-read this article10 times and cannot find your quote. But again, it makes no difference. I never said vaccinated people can't or won't get hospitalized. If 70% of covid patients at FHH have not been vaccinated, then obviously 30% have been vaccinated. Your chances of getting really sick and needing hospitalization are fewer if you've been vaccinated. And that's been the trend in Frederick. If you believe the folks at the hospital, and apparently you don't. Why they would pull numbers out of thin air is beyond me. And no, people who have different opinions than yours are not whining. Believe me, I've got whiners in my family that go back decades. This isn't whining!

threecents

To BH74: I am politicizing anything. For last two months or so I have been saying that we will have a post holiday crisis, while you have been saying not to live in fear. Now that the crisis is here, you are still doubling down and failing to acknowledge it. I have also been acknowledging that things might settle down in February but that we don't know that, and we cannot count on that.

threecents

Woops, OK, maybe I am politicizing things - by saying that some people would rather die than be owned by the Libs. Wear the dang mask and consider yourself owned.

classified

This may be the real problem!

“She also noted the health system is currently limited more by staffing shortages than by a shortage of beds or space. Over the last two years, Frederick Health has seen clinical staff members leave the medical field altogether due to burnout, while other employees have taken early retirements or pursued more lucrative jobs, she told the health board.

Pro-Choice/Privileged W. Woman

So you aren't vaccinated? You aren't much good at comprehending nor understanding what you read are you, which explains why you aren't vaccinated and made an illogical comment....

This is what Frederick Health really wanted to say in their press release: Over the past two years Frederick Health has been providing health care to Covid patients, risking our lives and our families lives because that was the job we signed up for, but we didn't sign up for the job to take care of people refuse a life-saving vaccine that will keep them out of the hospital....why should we fight for your lives when you obviously don't care about ours? There is no requirement that says we need to stick around to watch you die.......that wasn't the job we signed up for.

classified

For the record I am vaccinated

Pro-Choice/Privileged W. Woman

Hall thank you for catching my mistakes....I don't know what I would do if you weren't so attentive to my comments..?

Let me explain to you what Crisis Standard Of Care means.(yeah it would be nice if the article addresses the specifics but the specifics are irrelevant once you arrive at the hospital needing Covid care) .Crisis Standard of Care means if you go to the hospital needing Covid care and you haven't been vaccinated...and if I go to the hospital needing Covid care and I have been vaccinated, I will be the one that receives Covid care...because I have a better chance of surviving because I am vaccinated..you on the other hand since you weren't vaccinated will be placed on a gurney someplace and kept comfortable until you recover on your own or die...the hospital doesn't have the resources to treat us both and providing someone with Covid care that hasn't been vaccinated is a waste of their resources...I did everything possible to ensure my survival and I can't help if I have to be around people like you that didn't....so yeah I am going to get the Covid care before you do...so perhaps go and get your vaccine..just in case....

Crisis Standard of Care is another way of saying Triage

A process for sorting injured people into groups based on their need for or likely benefit from immediate medical treatment. Triage is used in hospital emergency rooms, on battlefields, and at disaster sites when limited medical resources must be allocated....right now our hospitals are a disaster site..so it's best to be prepared just in case..you have to battle Covid in a hospital...

Are you vaccinated BHall??? Also working 9 years for the UnitedHealthcare Optum NurseLine, an online nurse triage service......qualifies you in what way not to understand what I was talking about when I said Standard Crisis of Care?

bhall74

Privilege, when you decide to Google something in order to make a point, be sure that you accurately report what you Googled. For example, there is no "Standard Crisis of Care", but there is a "Crisis Standards of Care" which the CDC defines as "a substantial change in usual healthcare operations and the level of care it is possible to deliver, which is made necessary by a pervasive (e.g., pandemic influenza) or catastrophic (e.g., earthquake, hurricane) disaster. It is similar to, but not the same as, triage on the battlefield. BTW, I spent 9 years working for the UnitedHealthcare Optum NurseLine, an online nurse triage service.

Awteam2021

High demand - less services across the country.

MD1756

And the high demand at this point is caused by the unvaccinated. The unvaccinated should be charged the full cost of their care.

threecents

Part of the burnout, which has happened nationally, is that many nurses got so fed up with having to work overtime, risking their lives and the lives of their families, just because some people would not get vaccinated.

Pro-Choice/Privileged W. Woman

Thanks for reexplaining what I just said...??

threecents

Sorry, I think I did the same to Gabe.

gabrielshorn2013

No problem at all, three. We're usually on the same page with this subject. I think of it as re-enforcement.

Pro-Choice/Privileged W. Woman

No worries Threecents, because perhaps I wasn’t explaining it correctly? Like I did with Standard Crisis of Care,,,I think it sounds better than Crisis Standard of Care? But Hall corrected me…

Anyway like Gabe said we reinforce each other because we are in this war together!

You have to watch Death to 2021 on Netflix and also Death to 2020.. you will appreciate them.

Also watch Don’t Look Up.

But watch Death to 2021 first, I know you and you will want to laugh first then cry….

AOC

As reported in the Hagerstown paper this morning:

The number of new reported cases of COVID-19 has skyrocketed across the Tri-State region, with the number of deaths tied to the disease keeping pace. Health officials are warning things might get worse.

"There is significant transmission of the virus in our community, and thus a high risk of contracting COVID-19," said Danielle Stahl, public information officer for the Washington County Health Department. "It is immensely important that we do everything we can to slow the spread and protect ourselves, our loved ones and our community."

At least 26 deaths in the past week have been tied to COVID-19 in Washington County.

It appears more than 3,000 new cases of COVID-19 were reported in the county during the last week, though a previous cyberattack on the Maryland Department of Health, coupled with possibly lax tracking of COVID statistics between Christmas and New Year's, make the figure questionable.

public-redux

I hypothesize that there is a relationship between the reluctance to be vaxxed for Covid and the number of Covid deaths. What we've seen so far is that 800,000 dead isn't enough to motivate ~25-30 percent of the population. We need more dead, probably a lot more, to move the vaccination needle.

I also hypothesize that the relationship isn't linear but exponential. Which means that number of deaths needed to move each additional person to get vaxxed will get higher and higher. It might take 2 million dead to motivate Jane but 4 million dead to get the attention of James.

I suspect millions more needless deaths are in our future with Covid.

Awteam2021

Very well though out hypothesis.

gabrielshorn2013

👍👍👍 yep.

threecents

Many would choose death over being owned by the libs.

Plumbum

So true. And so short sighted for those with school age children. Puts them at risk of not having mom or dad there to watch them graduate

public-redux

There is a meme that had "I owned the libs" on a tombstone 🪦

Greg F

Let them die…Darwin Award for them.

Riptide262

It seems like many people are lining up to prove you correct. The vaccine is neither liberal, conservative, or the sane middle of the road. Sadly, eschewing science is most definitely political.

jsklinelga

Let us hope and pray this surge subsides. The politics is not helping nor has it helped throughout this pandemic, At this point in time wearing a mask in public places seems very reasonable but from the multiple cases i have seen personally, a mask in public places was not the cause of the surge. Direct contact via social gatherings or work seems to be the leading cause.

My two cents is that masking is not the problem. is there anyone that doubts with such a high positivity rate and the contagiousness of the new strain that the return to schools will not greatly boost this surge, mask or not.

Now is not the time for politics but for political wisdom and courage to act.

threecents

LoL

threecents

Here is one of dozens of peer-reviewed articles published in science magazines that shows masks do reduce spread of Covid-19. https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118.long

Greg F

Had an argument with some dipsticks on a hunting blog that stated emphatically that masks don’t work. Had the spelling capability of a 5th grader….so obviously didn’t understand or can’t understand what “peer reviewed” means and just runs with whatever garbage RRR media and drinking buddies tell him.

gabrielshorn2013

Yeah, we occasionally get those here that don't understand the concept of "peer reviewed" journal articles. A particular one claims to have gone to college. They must never had to write a research paper or thesis.

shiftless88

I usually ask; "if masks don't work then why do surgeons wear them?

public-redux

shiftless: “Because it makes the patient feel safer.”

I’d like to say that I made that up — but it’s paraphrase from someone who won’t get vaccinated but is willing to wear a mask “to make people feel safer”.

shiftless88

jsk; who made this political in the first place? Yes, the Trumpists such as yourself.

public-redux

Maybe this week's prayers will be more efficacious than last week's.

threecents

Who could have predicted a post-holiday hospitalization surge if there were no masking or distancing requirements? Oh yah, that was me and lots of others while certain people mocked us for "living in fear". When the number hospitalized in Frederick hit 30 recently, I was complaining that the number was going up, and nobody was paying attention. Now it's over 100 - and even with the mandate - I keep hearing lots of people are shopping unmasked. And about 30 of those people were vaccinate, so the vaccine is no guarantee. So, yet again I have to tell you mask up. Here is a link to a good deal on N95s. https://www.amazon.com/3M-Particulate-Respirator-8210-Pack/dp/B008MCUZZS/ref=sr_1_3?crid=35DSW54O1JBJ0&keywords=n95&qid=1641267449&sprefix=n95%2Caps%2C207&sr=8-3

threecents

Check out Boomer's comment to an article in yesterday's paper. https://www.fredericknewspost.com/public/ap/fauci-cdc-mulling-covid-test-requirement-for-asymptomatic/article_541ffa05-1af0-5196-9368-d0cc561b6438.html

Pro-Choice/Privileged W. Woman

I wonder if anyone on the County Council regrets their no vote on the mask mandate?

Fredginrickey

No they don’t, it’s an election year and they only care about pandering to their base.

Pro-Choice/Privileged W. Woman

So I wonder if their base realizes as they die in droves, that they are the ones that got owned?

The comments so far are proving Public’s hypothesis true…not enough of them have died in droves yet?

Jim Hartley

Agree, please consider moving up in your protection to a NIOSH-approved N95 mask, which must have head straps, not earloops. These filter both by sieving and also by electrostatic attraction. There is a good Wikipedia article on N95 masks, aka respirators.

threecents

JH, The masks in the link I provided are NIOSH-approved N95 masks, but KN95s are a good second choice.

gabrielshorn2013

👍👍👍Agree three. However, beware of the counterfeit KN95 masks sold on Amazon. FDA has removed many from its "approved" list for not meeting specifications. Sticking with a brand such as 3M is a good idea. The mask must also fit properly and "seal" around the face. Gaps greatly reduce efficiency, and facial hair does not allow a proper fit.

bhall74

three, thanks, I just placed my order.

threecents

Oh...

gabrielshorn2013

[thumbup][thumbup][thumbup] Yep.

JustTrying

If you come to the hospital unvaccinated for COVID, you should be moved (as NASCAR says) to th end of the longest line.

fnpreader123

Sure, and if you're a drunk driver who just hit a family's SUV, you should be left outside in the snow to die. Or, if you get shot while robbing a bank, enjoy bleeding to death. Sounds great to me.

sevenstones1000

The family in the SUV gets treated first. Any victims injured during the bank robbery get treated first. I have no problem with that.

If anybody has to be moved to a tent outside and wait for care, it’s the unvaccinated. Much like welfare cheats, they refuse to help themselves and expect everybody else to take care of them. Right?

threecents

Most of us might like the unvaccinated to go to the back of the line, but in reality they are likely going to the front of the line, as they are most likely the sickest.

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