County Executive Jan Gardner (D) issued an executive order Thursday which allows for a partial re-opening of some businesses countywide beginning Friday at 5 p.m.

Gardner said at a news briefing Thursday she heard from many business owners and local municipal leaders who were split on whether to extend the stay-at-home order, versus those who wanted to reopen as many businesses as possible.

“I appreciate that this is not what everyone will like,” Gardner said. “Some people wanted me to keep the county completely shut down, and others wanted to see our business activities open faster ... I own this decision, I’ll be responsible for this decision.”

That decision, laid out in the executive order, does allow for curbside pickup for retail businesses, and a partial reopening of small businesses under 10,000 square feet in size, beginning May 15 at 5 p.m. It also allows for manufacturing — Gardner said during the briefing that most of those businesses were probably already operating through the stay-at-home order issued by Gov. Larry Hogan (R).

Small businesses must follow guidelines to ensure public health, including having someone watch the front door to monitor people entering and leaving and help limit stores to 50 percent capacity, Gardner said.

Patrons and employees must wear face coverings and adhere to social distancing practices, Gardner said. Cash payment should be minimized, she added.

“If this first step does not cause a rise in hospitalizations and we do not see an influx of patients from our nursing homes as we get the results of testing, then other establishments and other activities permitted by the governor will be allowed to begin in two weeks,” Gardner said.

Those other establishments include hair salons, barbershops and places of worship, which can open Friday, May 29, given there aren’t rising trends of hospitalizations, intensive care unit patients and acute care bed use and other important health metrics, Gardner said.

Workers at barbershops and salons must maintain the 50 percent occupancy rate and clean thoroughly throughout the day, as laid out by the governor’s recommendations, Gardner said. She added there would be a requirement for “special hours” for seniors and vulnerable residents at barbershops and salons and similar businesses.

Religious leaders must enforce the seven-foot distance rule between family groups and individuals at places of worship, occupancy must be limited to 50 percent, temperatures must be taken of congregants at the entrance and there must be no singing or hymns or songs, Gardner said. Congregants must also wear face coverings, she added.

After the news briefing, Gardner said one of her main concerns was people from nearby jurisdictions in Maryland and elsewhere traveling to Frederick County and shopping, based on actions other county leaders have taken.

Montgomery County Executive Marc Elrich (D) said earlier this week he would issue a local stay-at-home order after Hogan’s expires at 5 p.m. Friday, May 15, Bethesda Beat reported. Howard County Executive Calvin Ball also announced this week his county is not ready to re-open, the Howard County Times reported.

The Carroll County Times reported Thursday that Board of Commissioners Stephen Wantz (R) said his county is “ready to go” and will reopen under the governor’s guidelines for Stage 1.

“I’ve heard today from a lot of workers, whether they’re in retail ... or in barbershops and salons,” Gardner said after Thursday’s briefing. “And some of them are terrified to go back to work.”

She added she chose to delay the re-opening of some businesses — like hair salons and barbershops — because it’s more difficult to social distance in those types of environments, adding, “You’re going to see the vulnerable population want to go to both.”

She added that some businesses may choose not to re-open even if allowed, in order to protect their workers and the public. Public health metrics will continue to guide her decisions, and she will provide an update on whether more businesses can soon re-open on Thursday, May 21 at 11 a.m., she said.

Some businesses, like dine-in service at bars and restaurants, will remain closed until the latter stages of Gov. Hogan’s roadmap to re-opening the state.

Reacting to the coronavirus pandemic has dominated Gardner’s schedule the past several weeks, she said.

“Every day, I have spent maybe 16 hours a day focused on health issues,” Gardner said.

Frederick Mayor Michael O’Connor (D) said city officials will follow the county’s actions, and the city’s state of emergency remains in effect.

“As your Mayor, I would like nothing more than to fully reopen our City,” O’Connor said in a prepared statement. “However, we know the virus is still in our community, and risk remains. The zip codes that include and surround The City of Frederick account for 78 percent of our county’s COVID-19 cases.

“As we move forward, collaboration and communication will remain critical. I would like to thank our residents who have recently reached out with ideas and questions regarding re-opening strategies.”

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Steve Bohnel is the county government reporter for the Frederick News-Post. He can be reached at sbohnel@newspost.com. He graduated from Temple University, with a journalism degree in May 2017, and is a die-hard Everton F.C. fan.

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rb789

I AGREE WITH PREVIOUS COMMENT. WE CAN’T KEEP BUSINESS SHUTTERED LONGER OR THERE WON’T BE AN ECONOMY FOR CITIZENS TO COME BACK TO. THE CURE WILL BE WORSE THAN THE DISEASE CAUSING SIGNIFICANT UNDUE HARM.

The facts and numbers don’t add up to support not opening up all businesses in Frederick County in some way. They need to open sooner vs later with safety efforts in mind when operating. The Covid fatality numbers are extremely low vs. the overall county population (only a small fraction of less than 1% of the population have been Covid deaths – most of which occurred in county nursing homes). It doesn’t seem reasonable for County Exec. Gardner to deviate from Governor Hogan’s re-opening plans to instead, remain overly-restrictive, keeping many businesses closed.

On a national level, it seems the cure is worse than the disease too when some Democratic leaders are keeping businesses closed and stay at home mandates in place beyond what is necessary. Some are saying it’s a politically-driven effort to further prolong and tank the economy during an election year, with hopes it could boost Democratic party chances of winning. It’s hard for some to imagine such disgraceful, dishonest actions could possibly occur. But who would have thought current top Democratic govt leaders and past Obama administration top execs (Adam Schiff; John Brennan, Clapper, Rice, Powers and others) would have testified under oath that they had no evidence at all Trump was involved in Russian Collusion…while then lying in public afterwards falsely to repeatedly claim Trump was colluding with Russians; that he was a Russian asset; and that Trump was treasonous, etc. ALL COMPLETE LIES THAT WERE THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT THESE SAME POLITICAL OPERATIVES SAID UNDER OATH – which was that none of them had any evidence of Trump related Russian collusion. This kind of corruption and false attacks along with Obama’s FBI top execs setting up Gen. Flynn appears to be the tip of the iceberg.

Back to COVID: It is all the more reason why citizens ought to seek the truth about everything going on including current COVID matters. This is vital to root out political corruption and dis-information where ever it exists at federal, state & local levels.

bosco

Agree, rb789.

bosco

At first, the lockdown was to flatten the curve and not overwhelm the health care system. Now the cure has become worse than the disease. Power hungry officials are destroying the US and state economys when the hot spots are now well known - nursing homes. People are fed up and civil disobedience is starting to break out.

Bonanza

Want progress and solutions? All politicians, federal,state and local government employees pay suspended until were all back to work. Set the example, lead and do the right thing. Just the thought of acting responsibly and setting an example will make their heads explode. Let’s make it happen. The focus will turn to solutions not peddling politics.

jagman

Here, here!. Yes, if all the government employees lost their incomes this entire shutdown would end within two days.

Those with no skin in the game are creating the game.

timothygaydos

Jan has been and continues to be short on facts and well so much more.... the numbers have been down in our county for weeks and the only reason we have some bad numbers is because of nursing homes.... it is time to open up full tilt and especially getting kids back out and socializing... when Dr. Birx starts questioning the CDC numbers we will eventually find out just how bad things were or were not... and then want to see Larry and others explain themselves... see how the Gov of NY is dancing and finally admitting the truth about the numbers in that state and the city of NY... quite alarming.

threecents

Allow me to summarize the comments about government responses below: Damned if you do and damned if you don't. No point in reading any of them.

awalters

Jan doesn't have a clue. Fire her now.

bosco

Same dilemma Trump faces every day. Thank goodness there is the dedicated civil service to get the job done no matter who is at the helm.

peteman38

She needs to be taken out of office but for some odd reason, people keep voting her _____ back in. 🤔

awteam2000

I don’t know why you would say that? It’s not only rude but wrong.

Actually she being the , “ County Executive Gardner” has been an exceptional public servant. That’s why people keep voting for her, by both parties overwhelmingly. Unfortunately this will be her last term as County Executive. A true loss for the county. But if she chooses to continue her public service, there will be plenty of opportunities for her. I wish we had more Jan Gardner’s.

Nicki

[thumbup] awteam

threecents

[thumbup]AW

AnnGeeBee

I wish we had more people who knew the English language...plural, not possessive, awteam2000.

Jleftwich

Substantiate, Pete.

jth7100

Dunning-Kruger effect anyone?

bosco

Dunning-Kruger as often applied as the Peter Principle and as demonstrated by most politicians. [thumbup][ninja]

bosco

What are the penalties that will be assessed for businesses that fail to comply with Gardner's order? Who will be enforcing her order? What happens when someone breaks out in a joyful song at church and they are wearing a mask? Why 7 feet distance at church and 6 elsewhere?

Greg F

Who cares? Now you’re nitpicking. Anyone there is protected by the Jebus effect. What happens? Probably nothing. Maybe someone will get sick. Why not try it yourself and find out?

bosco

Nitpicking. So essentially the Gardner order is useless and has no teeth. I may as well issue my own executive orders and open things up.

In the meantime, I picked up a case of the Corona today and getting ready for yard party and cookout. Total of 10. No masks required, but we might break out into some songs.

Want a slice of lime in yours?[ninja]

Jleftwich

Because contrarians will continue to do what ever they want, not willing to kowtow or be “oppressed”.

Reasonable people will follow the guidelines out of courtesy for their fellow humans.

bosco

You got that right Jleftwich, which is why we limited our yard party to ten. Masks were not required since we were outside. Couples already cohabitating sat together, and the couples maintained social distancing. We put a cooler full of Coronas in the center of the group, covered in ice, and everyone served themselves. It was a nice way to finally get together for some conversation and fellowship.

It was even nicer since it's not yet skeeter season and we didn't have to worry about west Nile virus. We sat far enough from the woods that we didn't have to worry about Lyme disease, although we did have some limes for the Coronas.

It's time for people to come out from under the stairs and embrace life.

User1

People will get sick reguardless. The coronavirus is here and even if we had a vaccine people will still get sick...just like the flu. The only way this virus will go away is if it eventually mutates into a benign form. Don’t want to take a chance then stay home.

awteam2000

Who do you think won’t comply? 🤔

Of course there are the whiners, a protest in Annapolis In front of the state Capitol and a 250 car convoy from Frederick to Salisbury where half the cars bailed out before reaching the Bay Bridge. The overwhelming majority are complying. We all want to get the economy going again.

The whole point is to open up the economy and social activities in a safe, thoughtful manner, one with less risk in a sustainable manner. And if matters turnout for the worse we are not overwhelmed - not simply a free-for-all, Helter skelter. Unfortunately this has turned into a political matter rather then a healthcare crisis. It’s not new. Leaders that can’t lead always blame others. And their followers will always have excuses and blame for others but lack solutions.

If you don’t get it you are more likely to ‘get it’.

User1

Leaders that can’t lead issue executive orders that they have no authority to do!

Reader

Between the hair, the outfit, and the ridiculous way she is wearing her mask....it's hard to take her seriously. HOW did this woman get elected? She's embarassing.

Reader

The mask is upside-down, BTW

bosco

That's precious for someone who has been spending 16 hours a day thinking about health issues. At least Lockdown Larry has a colorful mask based on the Maryland flag.

Maryland, my Maryland...the despot's heel is on thy shore.[ninja]

FrederickFan

He probably spent your tax dollars on his Maryland themed masks too. So conservative.

Greg F

So...you lower yourself to picking in an outfit? Really? How petty. Another typical trump nutless case.

jakereed

LOL. Says the hypocrite that just insulted people's religion by using the term 'jebus'. Talk about no self-awareness.

Nicki

Making fun of her hair and outfit tells me you're a tRump supporter.

How childish-- just like your idol.

bosco

It's funny how the left can make fun of Trump's complexion and hair, but their idols are off limits. [lol][ninja]

girlie247

Exactly Reader..and why isn't anyone advising her how to wear it properly? It's doing no good.

srbmgr

this decision is a gigantic overreach as local governments are pretty good at making decisions about whether you can launch balloons or not but not much good for the other decisions that are heavy

Greg F

I think it would have been a good decision to shut down this barber...and keep them shut down. This is an example of what happens when people just can't do the right thing on their own http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-barber-cutting-hair-illicitly-during-lockdown-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/ar-BB145Cnf?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=iehp

bosco

Guess why the media set their hair on fire and ran down the street when Georgia opened three weeks ago, but are silent about Georgia now? Could it be because Georgia's numbers continue to decline?[ninja]

Greg F

Takes awhile to shoe up, genius.

bosco

Hopefully, the media will be waiting a long time for an increase in deaths to show up in Georgia. That will foil their plans to celebrate when people there die so that they can try to be right about their predictions.

Dwasserba

"..temperatures must be taken of congregants at the entrance...." ? Ohhhhh how to describe this exciting new ministry to find volunteers

Greg F

Well, the mayor of Vegas wanted the entire city and its visitors to be a control group....

FrederickFan

Ask the Governor why he requires this

anthonylapara

It bothers me that people who comment on here DON'T use their real names. Why is that? Are you afraid to exercise your First Amendment rights? Like letters to the Editorial page, people who comment shouldn't hide behind fake names here.

awteam2000

Anthony Lapara,

Does it bother you that ‘Benjamin Franklin’ wrote under a pseudonym? Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay combine to write under the name the “Federalist papers”.

It was once called “a handle” is now called a “username”.🤷‍♂️ ‘Handles’ that became very popular by CB radio users, especially truck drivers. Like ‘Big Momma’ or “Smokey and the Bandit”.

Now called usernames, has nothing to do with your real name and needn't be a bad thing. To the contrary, it may highlight what you're trying to be online and make you unique. Kinda like ‘Superman’s real name was Clark Kent’ an ‘Introspective self’.

Greg F

Could be that we all know there are those who retaliate and stalk people for their free speech, Tony. Some people who work and want to keep a job know their boss may be watching who has a contrary opinion. Free speech is free, but can come with consequences from those who don't like that speech. Some shot others for their speech that told others not to come into their privately owned business without a mask.

bosco

Agree completely. Lots of folks out there trying to stifle free speech and there's always a percentage of wing nuts with no common sense.

Greg F

You, for one.

bosco

Yawn. [ninja]

anthonylapara

If our forefathers feared retaliation, we still be British. As Harry S said get out of the kitchen if you cant take the heat

public-tertiary

Interesting. I tend to be dubious of the motives of commenters who use their real names. It is impossible to know if such folk are sincere or engaging in virtue signaling for the people who know them in meat space. While I always try to extend the benefit of the doubt, you should consider adopting a pseudonym so others wont wonder about your motives.

Besides, what does one’s name have to do with the validity of one’s arguments? Ideas stand or fall on their merits.

jagman

As well as those who "update" their user names from time to time, No?

jakereed

Jan needs to show solidarity with the people her rules are harming by giving up her paycheck. That's what a real leader would do in a situation like this.

Greg F

You first.

mgoose806

There are 36,000,000 people out of work. Thousands of them live in Frederick County. Jan Gardner and no other in the Federal, State, and Local Government is unemployed as a result of Covid-19 In fact, no one who is paid via the taxpayer is out of work. Jan and every other public employee has ZERO financial skin in the game. She doesn't have to worry about paying her employees or making her mortgage or house payment. She is getting County Executive Salary on time..in full. So not a surprise that she is very comfortable fully utilizing the Democratic Playbook. Bring the economy to it's knees any way possible in hopes that Trump and Republican's loose in November.

anthonylapara

Well Said. I couldn't have said it better!!

public-tertiary

Did the anonymity bother you? Doesn’t seem like it.

ma23464

Agreed. Those out of work will still have to pay taxes to pay government employees to sit at home. It’s unethical

jakereed

Yep. I owe over $1000 to MD on my 2019 return on top of everything else. It will go to pay the salaries of government workers who are sitting on their butts collecting easy money during the shutdown.

Some of them are probably on this board pushing for the longest shutdown possible because it's easier than getting up and going to work every day.

awteam2000

Jakreed, you are not alone. Many Marylanders saw an increase in state taxes due to the federal tax code changes that took place in 2017. But how does owing income based taxes for last year apply to taxable income this year?

jakereed

awteam2000, it doesn't directly. I'm just commenting on how ridiculous it is that they're creating a situation that's destroying businesses, preventing people from working, and now moving the goal posts, but they're still going to expect to be paid every penny they're owed in taxes.

Also, keep in mind that there are a lot of people in the county who aren't eligible for any stimulus money because they were over the income cutoff based on their 2018 tax filings. So, if they've lost their jobs because of this, and with the MD unemployment system backlogged, they've had ZERO income for months. Those folks will have had their savings wiped out (and probably be deep in debt) when this ends but MD state will be right there with their hands-out asking for tax money the moment they start working again. So yeah, it's pretty freakin annoying when government employees act like it's no big deal and people are just being difficult.

anthonylapara

Jake, right on. I owe too and will file on july 15.

awteam2000

The deadline for paying 2019 Maryland income taxes has been extended three months for businesses and individuals to July 15 because of the coronavirus outbreak. There are discussions to extend payments without penalty in the State House. Stay tuned.

The 2 stimulus packages addressed large corps, small businesses and personal incomes- and less than 150k a year personal income receiving up to $2,,400 per married couple, then on a declining bases as incomes rise over 150,000.

The Maryland tax table on personal incomes from 3,000 dollars and up:

150,000 $90 plus 4.75% of the excess over $3,000

175,000 $7,072.50 plus 5% of the excess over $150,000

225,000 $8,322.50 plus 5.25% of the excess over $175,000

You only owe $1,000 dollars in state taxes for 2019?

Congress is working on a third stimulus package of 3 trillion dollars, focused on state and local governments, small businesses, healthcare and a second individual’s stimulus check. The president said he will veto it on arrival.

Greg F

You sound like a person just angry you didn’t get a govt job. Fauci is working from home. You gonna complain there too? So are cancer researchers, IT specialists fixing systems and getting checks printed. Easy to target government but you sure want them when the hurricane hits.

jakereed

awteam2000, I underpaid by a little over $1k for 2019 but I certainly paid a lot more than that during the year. It is what it is but I'll be curious to see how they handle taxes already owed for people who have lost pretty much everything because of the government decision to shut things down.

As for that $150k cutoff, that's actually not that high for a couple in our area and it phases-out quickly. Basing bailout payments on old 2018 tax returns without considering current employment status is pretty messed-up. Those people are getting screwed worse than anyone because they paid the most into the system, were most likely never eligible for any breaks when they were working, and now they don't even get the stimulus check when they become unemployed. Don't get me wrong though, I'm only talking about people who have lost jobs. I don't know why we're sending checks at all to mid-income-and-up people who are still working.

Greg F

...and anyone who does work now (government or not) are paying all the taxes now that are still funding all activities. Would you rather have them out of work so no money flows in and no work gets done? Do you want to lay off the very unemployment agency workers who are getting checks out and processing applications? Do you complain about all the workers at any business like Lowes who aren't affected and that those businesses are actually hiring? Any complaints against the local car mechanic who's still working on your car and changing its oil? Any complaints on doctors still working and dying for you? People are still employed on Wall Street. Where's that beef? Mitch McConnell is still being paid...are you complaining for that? Pence is still being paid even though he can't wear masks to medical facilities. You complain there?

jagman

No. We want them to stop receiving a paycheck so they can show they are "in this together" with all those thrown out of work.

This whole lock down would end after about two days if they were taken off the trough.

Greg F

Sour grapes. Some people didn't go to war claiming bone spurs. Where's your complaint on that one...and how his bone spurs are not even a footnote ever since that war ended?

Greg F

Where also are your complaints against the likes of Bloomburg, Bezos and other gazillionaires who are completely silent? Bloomburg...dollar king of NY...ya think he'd help and be vocal. Nope...he's hiding somewhere in a bunker. No words?

rand_d

I supported another candidate in the primary until they dropped out, and never went in for Bloomberg, but it’s worth noting that he has donated over 66.5 million to different coronavirus relief and workers.

jagman

And many of those well paid government employees are regular contributors to the fnp comment section. Generally known as those who are in favor of an unlimited time lock down.

Greg F

Does doing the same work at home somehow bother you! Are you that small?

Greg F

And BTW government employees are paid far less than their private sector counterparts doing the same work. Those get paid handsomely at the trade-off of getting furloughed vs staying at work doing actual work...nobody is sitting watching TV. Get yourself one of those jobs if you’re qualified.

jagman

Hey greg-boy, As the great Steve Forbes once opined: "government is a parasite feeding off the economy". You seem, based on your numerous comments here, to be one of those parasites. I would note that our outstanding military and all first responders are exempt from that description, obviously.

Our society would function much better with a good 85% fewer government goons (at all levels) regulating what we do, and costing an arm & leg while so doing.

I am closing in on a half century of operating in the private sector, taking risks, producing results, generating revenue and providing opportunity for employment to hundreds (thousands over time) of dedicated American citizens willing to step up and work hard to provide for their families and communities. All while being regularly eviscerated by excessive taxation largely used to fund feel good programs for insider cronies and the terminally lazy and useless.

I would add that if you really believe it's all roses and cream in the private sector, grow a set, leave your cushy government gig and prove you have what it takes.

I'll not hold my breath, however. It won't happen.

msmith6276

loose?

FrederickFan

Wow! I think your hero Trump should be doing something about those 36 million people who are unemployed. You can't blame Jan for national unemployment and for the dismal, chaotic and non response to address the virus by our lack of leadership guy in the White House.

anthonylapara

Maybe Jan and her colleagues who support her should put their bank accounts where their mouths are and refuse to accept a salary from the County Govt as long as the lockdown lasts. Also Larry Hogan should DO the same. After all the County finances will be in poor state after this. I like to hear what they say about this!!!

anthonylapara

I would like to know if the people who support this stupid order are unemployed? I bet you a beer that they are sitting at home "working at home" and receiving a nice paycheck, and spending it at the box stores that Jan let stay open..

FBoard

I would bet cases of beer that anyone who supports this continued order is getting a paycheck, retired and collecting their retirement, or have an income stream that is not affected by the lock down. Those people have zero business criticizing those that want to re-open! Hell, given my area of work, not only am I continuing to get paid, I could make more during this period! But the overall well being of EVERYONE should be behind the decisions. We have to learn to live a some what normal life with this virus. Live, not exist. No vaccine for 12 - 18 months, no treatment for 6 - 18 months. We cannot continue to destroy the world around us because of a single virus that is no more harmful than the flu, minus the lack of vaccine or treatment. But that is no reason to hide under the proverbial rocks fearing the end of the world. If we don't move toward normal, the world will end, but not from a virus!

Greg F

Would you work in vaccine research unpaid? Would you work in a government position related to what’s going on now? Would you rather they all get sacked and this just goes on with even less than nobody doing that work? Doubt it. This is not like the flu and it is obviously a fallacy and your fact less accusation that it is the same as the flu. Do some research and stop being part of the problem. That you spout uninformed BS that the Coronavirus is the same as the flu had been thoroughly debunked. Go troll back on a Fox page.

FrederickFan

If you were a hairdresser and had to go back to work would you want to. Some will and some won't because they don't want to risk getting the virus.

awteam2000

Are you unemployed?

What risk are you willing to take with your heath or your family’s healthcare? Should others compromise their safety for you? What role does the national administration play?

Isn’t the first responsibility of government in a democratic society to protect and safeguard the lives of its citizens? Where is the coordinated mass testing to allow citizens to feel safe in the work place and not threaten their families?

If you open your business and no one patronizes it, will the government subsidize your struggle or just let you fail?

ma23464

How is making people go bankrupt safeguarding anyone. If you don’t want the virus then stay home.

awteam2000

It will be interesting to see where the funds went out of the last 2 stimulus packages. Wasn’t that the planned? Supporting small businesses. Right? I guess trump shouldn’t have removed the oversight Director.

Should those fund have gone to the NBA Lakers with 500 employees, 4.6 billion dollars ( they did return the funding after criticism) or should that subsidy gone to the Maryland Central YMCA with 2,500 employees. Many families depend on them for their children’s daycare and safety while at work?

Greg F

Lives vs Dollars. The American way and so obviously what Jesus wanted too...a guy who sacrificed his life for you supposedly. Guess his effort was fruitless because he should have let Darwin win.

Reader

No, the first responsibility of government is NOT to protect and safeguard the lives of its citizens. It is to ensure that the freedoms of those citizens are not impeded. If it is right for you to stay home and not patronize businesses, then you should be free to do so. If it is right for me to work to support my family and choose to take whatever safeguards I feel are appropriate, I should be free to do so. This is pure government overreach.

awteam2000

Reader, Are you furloughed or laid-off from work . Do you have a business that is closed and plan to reopen this evening, after 5pm ? If not, is it government overreaching or is it the pandemic dangers from returning to work? Isn’t this a foreign invader? Personal, I feel you should do what ever you think is best for you and your family understanding there are safety rules that we all should abide by lessening the risk to your family and acquaintances with regards to rules.

Checkout a document call the constitution:

The presidential oath of office that is prescribed by the U.S. Constitution (Art. II, sect. 1) makes it clear that the President’s supreme responsibility is to “…preserve, protect, and defend”

And Article I, Section 8 the Congress has the right to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States (being their citizenry) ; all duties, imposts and excises uniform throughout the United States;

And borrow money on the credit of the United States.

In the absence of a national coordinated plan and as instructed by the governor, within the last 24 hours Jan Gardner, as county executive implemented her specific plan to open up the local economy safely understanding there would much push back. Many personal incomes come from jobs outside the county beyond her reach causing extra risk.

If you don’t want to follow the rules, basically wanting to drive without ‘headlights at night’, no warning signs with no municipal judicial oversight and intervention, go for it.

Greg F

It is not a dichotomy, there can be more than one goal. Nice try though for a Fox troll.

User1

Nobody’s making you go to an open business! If you feel “uncomfortable” then DON’T GO, easy peasy. Government is already subsidizing your business...where have you been the last few months?

BetteBrown

There's no way to please everyone. If she is too careful, people complain about their freedoms being trampled on. If she's not careful enough, people whose loved ones are impacted by COVID-19 will blame her (or she may blame herself). I hope people can put on their big kid pants and understand that it's a difficult line to walk. I appreciate the care and caution shown by Hogan and Gardner in the face of this unprecedented (in the past century) situation. The unemployment is a serious problem of course, but she's just slowing things down by a week or two.

Tigerzord

[thumbup][thumbup]

anthonylapara

I bet you getting a juicy paycheck unlike those poor people who are unemployed and are hurt by this stupid order!!!!!!!!

Greg F

Exactly what does that have to do with anything. Some people worked hard, for the right education and qualifications and maybe did well in an interview to get that check. Do you deserve Bezos-like checks for selling a couple books vs building an entire platform. Seems you think so. It’s not stupid for those who died.

User1

Things are “slowed down” enough. Need to enforce the social distancing and mask wearing requirements. Been seeing far too many individuals disregarding both.

If RINO Hogan says “I’m allowing these places to open at 50% capacity on 15 May” they how in the h*ll does Queen Jan decide to take it upon herself, without authority, to disregard and place further restrictions? She gets her power from the city council and NOT the governor. Has the council met and approved her action? I think not!

User1

All she needs to do is.....NOTHING! Just follow RINO Hogan’s guidance. Hogan didn’t place a limit on the store size that can open...that was Queen Jan. Hogan said barbershops and beauty salons can open...Queen Jan said “no, we need to re-evaluate”. The longer we wait the more taxes are lost for the county.

Tigerzord

Oh my gosh!!! I can't get a hair cut or my nails done, what a travesty!

If we open too quickly and have a surge, we will be taking a HUGE leap backwards, always better to start slowly. You can pick up items or curbside. I thought most people like ordering clothes and what not on-line (anyway). You can worship God anywhere, anytime! I don't understand what people are having a problem with. I'd rather have long hair than a death in the family.

jagman

People have a problem with massive civil rights violations.

people have a problem with government tyrants destroying the economic engine that fuels America.

People have a problem with the entire population being forced into minimum security lock down because a minority are afraid of real life.

bosco

Thank you, jagman. [thumbup]

Dwasserba

Pesky fine line between real and too-real.

jagman

Real life contains risk and and danger, debbie. Every day you rise from bed you are taking a risk. Go outside, drive a car, get on a plane or train, cross a street, walk next to a building, eat sushi, a rare cooked burger, an unwashed vegetable. All are risks we all take each and every day. Can't be eliminated.

So, no, there is no "fine line". "too real" doesn't exist. "real" does.

anthonylapara

Well Said

User1

Correct!!! Government cannot guarantee you a riskless life. Life is a game of chance and you make the decisions. Nobody is forcing you to go out or go into any business. But you are NOT guaranteed a risk free life!

Greg F

There are reasonable risks and risks that can be mitigated that impact all citizens. This is the latter...and you going out can literally kill someone. This is infectious, not a fall off a cliff.

Greg F

People have a problem with a bleach injecting moron as President too that delayed help and still has no plan. Go complain to his deaf ears. He’s relaxing at Camp David even now....choppers already flew over taking him there.

anthonylapara

Bet you getting a juicy paycheck too !!!

Greg F

So? Those people are working...so is Bezos. You gonna complain to him? McConnel is getting paid as is Trump and all the Fox News broadcasters and Walmart is making a killing. Silence from you.

User1

And your precious Countess Pelosi is working “virtually”? Maybe her and the rest of her gang should be paid “virtually”. The senate has no problem doing their job in person. And Pelosi even talked her stooges to give her their proxy vote? How stupid is that?

fnpreader123

How would you feel if it was your salon? You and your employees (and probably some family members work there) cannot go to work, can't make any money, and can't pay bills. Would you blow it off so easily if you were being told you can't open your store? People work hard to own their own business, and most have a slim margin of profit. This can wipe out decades of work, gone down the drain, for no sane purpose. Have some empathy for people who want to be treated equally with the big stores, and want to work for money to feed their kids.

Greg F

PPP...unemployment is available now even to gig employees. That’s new. I lost a business to the last recession from Bush. Where were your tears then?

User1

And what do you think we’ve been doing these past weeks? Places like Costco, Walmart and Home Depot are fine but a barber shop is now a “death trap”? Then just don’t go in! You just don’t seem to understand what your constitutional rights are do you?

Greg F

And in NY a barber was open illegally and found infected and spread to countless others. You see nothing wrong with that?

User1

Where have you been? We’ve been doing curbside for the past month. Our hospital never came close to full capacity. This will be a yearly thing. Do you want to shutdown the country yearly?

wran

So, one can go to Home Depot, Walmart, Ace Hardware, but not Dicks Sporting Goods or Kohls. What is the difference? Is unfair and makes no sense. And, in church services singing is prohibited, but not talking. Again, makes no sense. I dont think Czar Gartner has legal authority to issue any of these directives, but she will likely get away with them.

Greg F

It makes no sense if you haven't read along with what the researchers are saying. I do wonder why people can go plant shopping...totally unneeded. And you don't need another pair of SPANX from Dick's either. The singing is like the talking, where research shows clearly that the aerosols and droplets increase exponentially the louder you vocalize...as in sing or talk...vs just normal talk. Maybe you can mumble your hymns or something instead. Is it really that much to ask to protect others? The "Czar" has the authorities under state and local laws where there are emergencies. You lost your credibility and just sound like another one who just doesn't like being told what to do by anyone. So much for the religious things where I'd bet you aren't following Jebus' teachings either.

vodalone

You do realize it's not just all Karens looking for SPANX right? Kids grow very fast and need new shoes and clothes as it's been two months since clothing stores have been closed. No reason a Marshall's or Burlington has to be closed when Wal-Mart or Lowe's can be open.

Tigerzord

It's not like your kids are going anywhere - I'm sure you can find something in their closet to wear. Order on-line. Think about those poor people who loose EVERYTHING in a disaster like a tornado or hurricane. I think you can go a few months without something new.

Greg F

Online shopping? I bought shoes, clothes, food, basic needs and had delivery and also curbside pickup. Almost everything is online for sale. Lazy!

bosco

Doctor Fed Up....why don't you publish the list of what is necessary purchases and what is prohibited. Hmmm?[ninja][thumbdown]

Greg F

Deflection much?

Dwasserba

I enjoyed the mental picture of mumbling hymns ha. Maybe we could hum? Would kazoos be acceptable? What would Jebus say

bosco

Are the cops going to stand in the back abd wait for someone to break out in song. Geeze. Government over reach at it's best

anthonylapara

That's what we need someone to get arrested!!!! Boy would that make the National news and make Frederick politicos look like the laughing stock of the Nation. You know in a way Her order means nothing. I don't know anyone who has obeyed the rules, Want a hair cut, just drive to Carroll.

Greg F

Pw you’re just making shiz up.

Dwasserba

Run for office.

anthonylapara

Where are the other elected officials? Are they chicken to say something against the Exec??? Don't we have a County Council who should way in???

Greg F

Have you written one? I chat regularly online with several...regularly. Resources are out there if you care to look.

mdlady

Yeah I think we should stay home until there is a vaccine

User1

The difference is that Queen Jan has taken it upon herself to limit businesses opening to 10k square feet or less. I’ve been waiting for Barnes and Noble to reopen but I called them and they said “we are ready to open but can’t because we are over 10k sqft in area”. And can’t you sing wearing a mask? I can!

Greg F

And that is why quarantine will last longer...because of your sort. Can’t do one thing to help others that may die because of your selfish stupidity.

User1

Me? By wearing a mask? Tell you what, just stay in you moms basement until she says it’s alright for you to come out. Don’t grow up...it’s certain death out there!

Crab0721

There are so many hateful and selfish people who are going to cause us to have a lot more people infected because they are so worried about getting their hair cut as well as other things that we have not opened yet. There have been several people who have tested positive for covid and they had shut down the labs and Gas stations for cleaning. So stop saying that all of the deaths and people who are getting the virus are in the nursing homes because it is not just there it's all around us. Stop being so selfish. People's lives are more important than your hair cut. Grow up [angry][censored]

Tigerzord

[thumbup][thumbup][thumbup]

anthonylapara

Bet you getting a steady paycheck too.

Greg F

Repeated comment once again...yet you somehow are online posting so have some resources to find help other than venting about someone else’s abilities or position. Go complain to your republican senator who is still taking a paycheck.

User1

At least he’s in Washington doing his job! And not back in Californication showing off their freezer because they “got a doctors note” saying stay home. Your Dimocrats are getting their pay also for doing nothing.

User1

Again, if you are afraid of your shadow then don’t go into the light! Nobody is forcing you to get a haircut. Do you go grocery shopping? Do you have the shakes then? Do you get your mail? What about those nasty germs? Your right DEATH is all around us. Your more likely to get killed by a driver texting than coronavirus!

xJacky1

There are approx. 256000 people in Frederick County. 18 people have died in Frederick Co. due to COVID-19 that were NOT in an elder care facility. There have been 1364 cases in Frederick County. Stats do not exist for who or where the 1364 cases are. Numbers wise the total cases are five tenths of one percent. So, having some perspective on what is occurring should I wear the PPE, Distance properly and practice good hygiene the chances are I will NOT contract the virus. I have grown up, you crawl back under your rock and when the all clear is sounded you can come out and play. Clearly, Jan has over stepped her authority just as Hogan has.

Greg F

Where did they all get it? Someone had it asymptomatically that gave it to them. How many were hospitalized that now have injury and/or a mountain of hospital bills?

xJacky1

Whats your point, fear peddler?

User1

If you bother reading something other than the FNP or WaPo you’ll see that Medicare and Medicaid pays for ALL coronavirus treatments. My 97 year old MIL had it and recovered. Didn’t pay a penny!

User1

That comes out to .0000679%. More people die jaywalking each year. Don’t shut down for them.

dancing donna

Why did not someone help her with how to wear a mask properly? This is odd. The bottom part goes under the chin.

Greg F

Yes...and the top goes over your nose. Soooo many can't seem to figure this simple thing out.

anthonylapara

Show you the smart people we have working for her at Winchester Hall.

charlie1balls

The fact that the embedded wire that allows you to conform the mask around the top of your nose is down at her chin is remarkable. It's a reflection of the multiple arbitrary precautions and edicts that are more for show than based in fact.

Greg F

It’s not arbitrary...it’s ignorance. I’ve seen way too many not wearing improperly...or Like Pence...not at all even in a medical center.

vodalone

Hagerstown is 25 min. away from me, no big deal. I feel bad for my neighbors who own small business, businesses I would prefer to support but obviously this has become a political issues and the D next to Gardener's name made her pick a side.

Greg F

It's political because there are enough people who just can't do the right things on their own and instead show up maskless and with guns in capital buildings or break other people's arms because they refuse to wear a mask in a private business or shoot them, lick the veggies in Wal-Mart (yes, that was a real thing) and still take off masks while in the stores to yack away on the phone or kiss their spouses (saw that too). The people all demanding businesses open are saying people "are adults" and that they "will do the right thing." No....they won't.

vodalone

You're taking the outlying instances and making an assumption all people are like that, aka using anecdotal evidence. I have not heard of those situations locally, this is being discussed at a local level. You're going to have idiots doing things regardless, whether it's now or in a month.

Dwasserba

I saw someone lift their mask to sneeze into their elbow. Keep up, people

vodalone

No you didn't, you read somewhere someone did and ran with it. Be honest.

Greg F

I saw two people lifting masks to swap kisses...and proceed to walk by others while doing it.

jagman

Wait! Spouses aren't allowed to kiss anymore?

Maybe it's time for this:

https://babylonbee.com/news/some-states-to-require-people-going-outside-to-run-around-in-giant-hamster-balls

Greg F

Masks off in stores? That’s one example. Others were inside ya king on the phone masks off...not one or two times...frequently.

User1

Guns have nothing to do with if mr fake dr. Must be related to the fake principle we have also!

Greg F

Stay on topic.

anthonylapara

Right one brother

User1

I’m not the one that brought up guns.

jagman

With all the give and take on the mask silliness, it might be a good idea to look at what a real doctor has to say:

https://www.technocracy.news/blaylock-face-masks-pose-serious-risks-to-the-healthy/

Greg F

So, Jag..every once in awhile, there are the quacks in medicine. Take Trump's doctor who called him one of the fittest he's ever seen...and in perfect shape. Right...whatever. Now we have a quack who goes against every researcher and expert from WHO, CDC, and NIH. Sorry, but one outsider opinion is like that one dentist out of 10 who doesn't think brushing your teeth is a good idea or that thinks fluoride is a communist conspiracy. A mask by ONLY the wearer reduces transmission from a sick non-masked person by 30% or more. A mask by a sick person only reduces by 70%+. Both wearing a mask reduces by 98.5%. More than one study shows this...not one quack with an agenda. Is it really such an inconvenience to the vast majority of anyone to offer even some protection, especially since nobody can know if they are a carrier? Years ago, I had a roommate who was a strep carrier in college...never once got sick or showed symptoms until I forced him to go in and get a test. How many did he contaminate unknowingly? Your arrogance can be the death of someone, literally.

jagman

Blaylock is a quack? hah!

Look. I don't much care if you or any other person decides to wear a mask. It's a free country. In fact, if it is one of the trade-offs we must endure to get our economy back open, so be it.

Just don't run around thinking that bandanna or underwear mask is protecting you from anything. It's not.

Dwasserba

It protects others. That's meaningful to some.

jagman

It doesn't protect anyone. Don't you get it?

No N95. No protection.

Greg F

Jag

jagman

Aren't you clever, little soy-boy greg. Don't get your your man-bun in a snit, buddy.

huskycats

Thank you Jan. I'm with you 100%

huskycats

Thank you Jan.

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User1

If you don’t feel safe then continue to hibernate! Don’t dictate to me!!!

neilyoungfan25

Queen Jan has her mask on upside down!! I hope this photo appears every time there is a news article about her to show what a fool she is. Businesses are going to open anyway and no court is going to find them guilty for doing so!!

steelersfan2005

the mask is on right side up actually.

Crab0721

[angry]

bosco

I think I have the haircut thing figured out.

On Wednesday, Hogan announced that some personal services, including barber shops and hair salons, may reopen with up to 50 percent capacity, by appointment only and with appropriate health and safety guidelines.

Then Gardner announced that such operations my open to the public on May 29.

If I am interpreting this correctly, it's haircuts by appointement only until May 29th, and after that it's first come, first served.

And Gardner has announced that those businesses may open to the public.

fnpreader123

No, I'm pretty sure our hair salons are not opening until May 29th. There might be a typo in the Executive Order, because she was pretty clear during her speech that we would not be following Hogan's opening of salons. Once we do open on the 29th we will copy the new requirements of 50%, appointment only, extra cleaning, and special hours for vulnerable populations (which I do not think is legal to impose, but that's another can of worms).

User1

Wrong! Queen Jane has told the barbershop/beauty salons that SHE will re-evaluate the situation next Thursday then decide. This comes straight from my barber... Gentlemans Choice on rte 40. What has the Queen been doing for the past weeks? People have already been given guidance by Hogan. Just a show of “power” by Queen Gardner!

steelersfan2005

they can be open, so just deem yourself as essential and get the cut.

bosco

Thanks, Steelersfan. I did just that and made an appointment for a haircut. Problem solved. BTW, the barber interpreted Gardner's order the same way. Appointment now, everybody in on May 29.[ninja]

bosco

No Doctor Fed Up, masks are required in retail establishments. Why would you make such an assumption. BTW, how's that list of unnecessary items that we shouldn't be buying coming along? Hmmm?

User1

You also need a letter from your boss stating that so not so easy.

Greg F

So, User1...you gonna go in there and pollute the whole place without a mask? I know some of them are elderly that cut hair there and are thus at high risk.

bosco

I just read her executives order, and it says barber shops can open to the public on May 29. It does not say that they cannot open unlike Hogan's order which allows them to open by appointment only.

I would do a cut-and-paste, but I can't do that with my old cellphone.

Thoughts?

User1

Yep, called Gentlemans Choice and they specifically said that Queen Jan told them they cannot open period. They must wait until the 29th to see if she will allow her “subjects” to earn a living.

And for mr Fake Dr....I never said anything about not wearing a mask as directed. And I don’t know the last time you’ve been in that barbershop but there ain’t anyone cutting hair over 40.

jakereed

I'm offering haircuts in the driveway for those in the inner circle. It's perfectly safe since I wear my scuba gear the entire time and breath through the tank.

My wife says the flippers are unnecessary, and she's not wrong, but I think they look cool and it adds to the experience.

Aslan19

Wear the flippers!!! ❤️❤️😂😂❤️❤️

Greg F

Can you do a wet cut underwater?

mr_twist27

Just drive to Washington County, Carroll County or WV for your shopping.

Moon otter

they tax everything in WV including food.

steelersfan2005

so does Maryland at a higher rate, so what's ya point?

jagman

Only take out food or prepared food is taxed in WV. Just like Maryland.

Virginia, on the other hand, has a local tax issue in some counties and cities whereby grocery store food may be taxed at 2.5%

bryan

No, DON'T! Don't bring your germs out here, that kind of behavior is exactly what Hogan says will cause us to revert back to stay at home.

Greg F

Which shows why people just can't do the right thing....ever. Our species is doomed.

User1

Hope yours goes extinct!

Reader1954

don't get the obsession with hair salons and barbershops. Places that require hands on contact, but the patrons have to be 6 feet apart. BUT won't open department stores or businesses that do not require hands on contact. Something is backwards and stupid

FBoard

The obsession is not so much with limitations on hair salons and barbershops, but with limitations based on the data; which don't match up. 1325 confirmed cases in the County, that's the total since they began tracking. How many are still active? Sadly, 78 deaths (if number is accurate), and just as sadly, 63 nursing home resident fatalities. The number of cases is dropping, deaths are dropping, hospitalizations are dropping (https://coronavirus.maryland.gov/) and yet the majority is told to stay home?? They (the gov-ment) says they are making decisions based on data, but they aren't. They are making them based on fear. If individuals or companies "...are terrified to go back to work", then don't. The orders to re-open or drop stay-at-home do not require you to leave home or go to now open business. The health care system is not overwhelmed, we know the precautions to take to slow the spread, but the bottom line is, this virus is here for a while and we need to learn to continue to exist. The minority at high risk or fearful should not be determine the actions of others that are not.

holdemken

Best comment! If your scared, hibernate. But don't use your fear to control others. That is not the American spirit. Do the math, non of this nonsense makes any sense whatsoever.

Dwasserba

When does nonsense ever make sense

mgoose806

If you want a hair cut you can go to Howard or Carroll County..

FrederickFan

Actually, no. Howard is not moving forward with reopening anything.

Dwasserba

Omg guys buy clippers online. I tidy my hus at will and always have. Learn a new skill

mgoose806

Wrong FrederickFan… except have to make an appointment to get a haircut.

Carroll County: The Carroll County Board of Commissioners voted unanimously to follow the state’s new executive order to begin phase one of the reopening plan.

Howard County: The county said it would begin to reopen but with some restrictions: retail shops can open for curbside pickup. Religious services can be held with 10 people or less. They are encouraged to be held outdoors at this time, however. Some of those stores include florist, furniture stores, jewelers, bookstores, clothing stores, lawn and garden stores, sporting good stores and tobacco stores, among others. Pet groomers, animal adoption shelters and car washes can also operate, but at a 50 percent capacity. Barber shops and salons can reopen, but by appointment only with just one customer allowed inside at any given time.

Washington County: So far, the county has not given any indication they are deviating from Gov. Hogan’s Phase 1 plan. The county government Facebook page posted the governor’s update.

ma23464

Oh thank you queen Jan.

steelersfan2005

If Places such as Wal-mart ( germ city), Target, Costco, Lowes, Home Depot and Sams Club can be open (over 10,000 sq foot), then every retail business should be allowed to be reopen. Jan's executive order limiting small businesses under 10,000 sf to remain closed made absolutely no sense. On her Press Conference she stated that barber shoppes would remain closed, her executive order states the opposite. I can't have 9 of my friend over because that would make my household over 10, but i can go sit with 249 of my friends in church, again, makes no sense.

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caspiansails

I have no problem with taking personal precautions, even those that make little or no real sense and have been proven to not be effective such as some of the masks people wear. But then there is not much choice. But anyone who decides to dump it all, well good luck. But the governors current guidance would have been good for Frederick County and there is no need to back them off. For all the talk Frederick County is not a true hot spot if you exclude those in long term care facilities and that is something we must not let happen again. We knew they were most at risk yet here we are. I know of at least one Nursing Home that was quarantined weeks before the first order due to the flu and although their numbers are much lower than some of the others they were not able to escape. These things always have run their course and left the dead in their wake. It is just a fact and not one I like. But to all, be safe and take precautions. Even Martin Luther, one of the fathers of the reformation wrote, and I paraphrase as I don't have total recall. "I will stay home as much as I can, I will protect myself when I go out and avoid contact as much as I can. However, I will not shy from helping anyone in need." That was during the plague. So there is a long history of people of faith not being reckless with their lives but also not being unhelpful no matter the price. Just an aside there at the end to encourage everyone to be safe as you can.

caspiansails

FrederickFan, ok, her salary is not quite six figures it is $95K, close enough. Loaded that is at least $120K.

caspiansails

I see she is already backing away somewhat from her earlier press release where she wrote, "After two weeks, if there is no increase in the utilization of hospital beds or intensive care unit beds in the county, and we do not see an influx of patients from nursing home as test results are known, additional businesses will be permitted to reopen."

That is what I call crazy talk and impossible prerequisites. We will see what she has to say next week and it would be great to understand what her authority to do this is based on.

Jthomas515

Yep. Why is the opening up of our business’ connected to nursing homes!? Strange

FrederickFan

Jan Gardner is demonstrating leadership, striking a balance with a focus on keeping people safe and well. It is simply a slower version of the Governor's plan. Well thought-out and explained.

caspiansails

What is the basis of her authority to issue restrictions? I don't see it in the County Charter.

bosco

That's whyn there are two pages of "whereas" in her order. No specific reference to any statutory authority granted to her by the charter. We should be concerned about the precedent set by politicians assuming broad powers under the guise of a declared emergency. Maybe it's for a good reason this time, maybe there is an abortion or gun control emergency next time.

User1

She doesn’t have it! It’s like federal law vs state law. Federal trump’s state. Hogan’s overrules Queen Jan’s. Just another power hungry Dimocrat flaunting her perceived power.

peteman38

Whatever

User1

Really? Must be a fellow Dimocrat with her. Getting that extra federal $600/week with your unemployment check?

User1

Pleeese! Leadership my behind!

phydeaux994

I love it when the BTT(BullyTagTeam) gets going. Like sharks when they smell blood in the water. Gnashing and gashing the MoCo Libs they sat on their duffs and watched invade and take over THEIR County for the last 20 years and blame it on THEM. But like Donald John Trump, it’s too late now. Quit WHINING!!! Love it or leave it. Peace.

caspiansails

Unfortunately there is nothing one could do to prevent the free movement of people into your area.

jagman

And phydeaux, by her own admission, was part of that "invasion". No doubt moving to FredCo for economic reasons caused by the libs in the last three counties she lived in.

Nancy Day

Relatively new here but you do not seem open minded or welcoming.

jagman

Wait until you've on here awhile. It's an echo chamber for leftist thought. None are "Open-minded".

Dwasserba

Welcome, Nancy! Welcome, Nancy! Welcome, Nancy! (echoing)

User1

Been in Frederick county for over 30 years. Was nice until all the trash from MoCo moved here and tried to remake Frederick into where they came from. Next move is back to Free America out of Marylinistan!

charlie1balls

Sure, Jan.

Hollowed Ground

Singing hymns should be encouraged among the church goers. Sing! Sing! Sing louder! Encourage bar patrons to sing, "God Bless America" as loud as they can.

charlie1balls

We ought to obey God rather than men.

steelersfan2005

you mean the made up man in a book written by a bunch of old men?

awteam2000

A published report by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) suggests large gatherings fueled by singing and so-called “superemitters” as potential drivers of the spread.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e6.htm?s_cid=mm6919e6_e&deliveryName=USCDC_921-DM28169

caspiansails

As usual politicians issuing impossible prerequisites. With the parameters put in place by Jan, who says she owns the decision but is unaffected by the decision; she continues to receive her salary regardless, the other business will not open any time soon. It demonstrates a total lack of understanding of the course of a virus. You lock down to gain some control to FLATTEN the curve not to eliminate the curve. You reopen slowly KNOWING there WILL be more infections while also knowing you are more prepared in terms of beds etc to handle the uptick should it occur. You do not predicate further expansion of economic activity based on a zero uptick, that is insane. I see the coming lawsuits from some business and from places of worship where she really does seem to intrude in a manner which could be deemed excessive given the direction from the state. Frederick county is not a hot spot as she contends except in nursing homes which she also has stated as a parameter for further ease of restrictions when there is zero impact from nursing homes to the general population. It is a bad decision, but not altogether unexpected. Generally I blame Blaine Young and his hapless group that brought us this form of government with a county executive. Under the county commissioners this would not have been the case. My question to what is now the council, is does the county executive hold this power without a vote by the council? Perhaps someone on this forum knows the answer, I do not but am curious as a matter of understanding.

Three0fNine

[thumbup]You took the words out of my mouth!!!!!!!!!!!! I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID HERE!! THE ONLY HOTSPOT of COVID-19 is the Nursing Homes and the Senior Assisted Living centers. Frederick County and many other MD counties should NEVER have been closed. Only the high Risk and densely populated areas should have been restricted or "Locked Down" Why is there STILL only ONE Hospital in all of Frederick County??? Just something to make you go "Hmmmmm......"

FrederickFan

Most of the parameters she mentioned were put in place by the Governor. And Governor granted authority for each county to move forward with his phase in plan as they thought best for their county. The authority came from the Governor not from the charter.

caspiansails

The governor does not have the power to grant authority to a county executive, maybe to the local government, which in Frederick County means the County Council and the Executive.

User1

Exactly. Frederick IS NOT the “fiefdom” of Queen Jan!!!

User1

But Queen Jan doesn’t get her “power” from the Governor she gets it from the council!

User1

He granted authority TO THE COUNTY...NOT to the County Executive! Big difference. The county council give the authority to the county executive. Has the council met to discuss this? Where are the council minutes of the meeting? Never happened!

pilot25

12 people not in nursing homes have died of corona. Most likely they had other problems that caused death. We aren't opening yesterday because why? This has been an absolute abomination of lemmings following each other off the cliff.

jakereed

Yeah, but once all of the blue state governors have completely destroyed their own economies, nobody will vote for Trump. In those states. That wouldn't have voted for him anyway. Hey....wait a minute!

User1

You mean like Connecticut? Like Don Cuomo in NY? Like Newsom in California? Tell me again how these are “blue” states?

Jleftwich

And those who recover? Likely they face weeks of further rehab (i.e., respiratory therapy) and possible lung or organ damage.

jagman

Pure speculation, lefty. The vast majority recover just fine. Many have had this and never had any symptoms and don't know they had it.

The reason why we need antibodies testing which thus far you have not embraced.

Why is that?

Jleftwich

We have antibody testing. But, as I've mentioned before in other comments, antibody testing isn't quite accurate yet. Lots of false positives.

Source: https://nbcnews.to/3b65W31

jagman

So what? The vaccine idea will have at least as high a failure rate. And it's a good 18-24 months away. Or as far out as CDC can push it.

Support antibody testing now. Let the truth be known.

Let's face it. It's more about keeping the death rate artificially high by comparing it to only "confirmed" cases.

User1

My 97 year old MIL recovered fine at Homewood after testing positive. Only had a sore throat. So it’s only the very small percentage that were probably on respirators that need rehab.

User1

But..but..but..that comes out to .0000679% of the county population! Totally inexcusable!!!

bosco

So, can I get a haircut or not?

lobo4109

most likely not but you can shop at the illegal business on Daisy Court that our government has allowed to stay open Sheriff Jenkins wrote up a criminal charge but no one every shut him down. He is running a retail business on a residential property at the pleasure of our government, our county ex and our sheriff's department. So if you want to stay open, make sure you are illegal and do not have the zoning to operate your large illegal business.(Cash only)

bosco

Do they do haircuts?

jakereed

Do they have anything good? That's not far from me.

The way things are going, we'll have an underground Chamber of Commerce ramped-up in no time. I hear the tax advantages are fantastic.

caspiansails

What is this business on Daisy Court? Never heard of it. As far as the Sherriffs department is concerned when it comes to the lockdown etc., they have decided to stay pretty much hands off unless they absolutely need to do something. In the county, outside the city, but probably true in most of the city, people tend to stay at home for the most part anyway and this time of year there is enough to do around the house to keep one very busy and Home Depot and Lowes and Tractor Supply and Ace are open so one can garden. Although I had a heck of time finding beans to plant this spring.

User1

You mean like all the other illegal home noon in Frederick? Nothing wrong with “licensed” home businesses. How do you know sheriff Jenkins doesn’t have a license? You know what “assume” means?

TomWheatley

No, not yet unless you are the Mayor of a certain large City.

FrederickFan

Explain?

stefcfi

Yes, no , or maybe. Pick a day. DIfferent answer. Just now USA9 says western Loudoun is now begging to re open after the delay 2 days ago.

Rockfish

Try Carroll County

caspiansails

Depends on how well you know your barber I think.

anthonylapara

In Caroll County. No problem

Three0fNine

Not until after 5pm on May 29th.......maybe.........

DickD

Come to my house, I will give you one! By the way, I am not a barber, but don't let that bother you. innocent] I guarantee you that you will have less hair when you leave.

Dwasserba

Show of hands, how many men are thinking of commenting, "shut up about your hair"

User1

As long as you spent a night in a Holiday Inn Express it’s alright!

caspiansails

Go to Hagerstown or Carroll county and you can. In Frederick only if you know your barber or hairdresser very well.

steelersfan2005

by appointment only, yes, after 5pm of course.

User1

Again, NOT in Frederick county according to Queen Jan.

User1

Not for at least another week according to Queen Jan!

Obadiah Plainsmen

A couple questions for Ms. Gardner, For two months Federal & State guidelines has pounded into the America conciseness that all must maintain a 6' separation when out in public. Every retail & grocery store has modified their business to comply with this mandate. So why after two months in her reopening decree she single's out and writes "Religious leaders must enforce the seven-foot distance rule between family groups and individuals at places of worship"? Does Ms. Gardner have any evidence that covid19 has the ability to spread beyond the mandated 6' separation while occupying places of worship?

fredppls

The 6’ or 7’ “rule” is a farce. A sneeze can carry 20’.

Just like the face mask is a farce. Breathing through a tee shirt or bandana is like using chain link fencing to prevent mosquitos.

Obadiah Plainsmen

fredppls, you will not get an argument from me on your observation. Look at the pictures above, Gardner is wearing a mask while sitting and not talking, but removes it to speak, duh you have just been exposed or exposed someone else. Defeating the sole purpose of wearing a mask. if there ever was a purpose? Hogan has done it repeatedly during his news conferences. Once you put your mask on to go in public, you should not remove it until you are out of the public realm. Do as I say, not as I do!!

Steve Neilsen

Nice try. Keep your distance.

caspiansails

Masks are a farce, at least the ones most people are wearing. Just ask your doctor or a good nurse. Only N95 masks provide any protection, either way. Distancing has more of an effect, even the 6 feet. The seven feet makes no sense. Although even with distancing and especially if you are in a store in line, makes little sense, not no sense but little. The virus is said to be suspended for longer than the time it takes you to walk up that six feet into the space just vacated. It is more to make people feel more comfortable about going out because any politician knows they really cannot keep people home without draconian measures. You know like in NYC where recently a mother was thrown to the ground and arrested in front of her young children because her mask was not on properly while attempting to board the subway. Glad I don't live there. So I keep my distance when out and wear the stupid cut t-shirt mask recommended by the CDC, what a joke and maybe even though I am not sick, not been around anyone who is sick and the only people I know who are sick are in nursing homes or extended care facilities. A bad time to be in rehab for sure. But even they are better now.

jagman

Exactly! The whole mask issue is nothing but show. A way for the tyrants to control the masses. As CAS mentions, only a N95 certified mask worn properly on a freshly shaven face has a chance of protection against ANY virus. And that is only 95% effective. Every other type of mask, surgical, dust, cloth, bandanna does absolutely nothing to stop a virus from getting thru. One thing I remember from my 3M training a good while back.

Unless, of course, you own a military grade gas mask or a P95 industrial respirator. Wouldn't that be cool...seeing a bunch of Fredericktonians running around wearing gas masks.

The only thing good here is we do have some reopening "allowed" by our "betters".

That's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick!

Jleftwich

Quote from caspiansails: "the only people I know who are sick are in nursing homes or extended care facilities."

Covid cases in the DoD:

5,472 (+58) active duty cases

1,328 (+11) civilian

987 (+8) dependents

510 (+10) contractors

8,297 (+87) total cases, w/ 275 (+3) hospitalized and 27 (+0) deaths.

By service:

Army: 1,157 (+18)

Air Force: 431 (-2)?

Marine Corps: 479 (+6)

Navy: 2,191 (+15)

National Guard Bureau: 1,096 (+21)

(source: https://bit.ly/3byDxTt)

Also worth noting: over 1,000 members of the USS Theodore Roosevelt tested positive for Covid in March. Recently, several sailors who returned to the ship re-tested positive. (source: https://cnn.it/2LxLkpW)

jagman

And if we had widespread antibodies testing we'd undoubtedly discover a good 25-30% of the population has already had this virus. Ever wonder why there is no insistence on doing that?

Oh wait! We'd discover the real fatality rate is minimal.

Dwasserba

Today they're saying wear glasses too.

jagman

OK. Let's go all in and require everyone to wear a full hazmat suit. Not only in public but at home as well. We can hire a legion of Hazmat suit police to go door to door with a battering ram and check for compliance. Anyone found not wearing it is subject to arrest and public execution. remaining family members can be placed in a government containment center.

There should be no problem getting the totalitarians on board.

Aslan19

@fredppls, didn't whoever raised you to turn your head and cover your face when you sneeze? 🤔

pilot25

Gardner, like most left wing progressives, hate religion.

girlie247

Does anyone know why there can't be singing of hymns?

Obadiah Plainsmen

Singing brings joy and that is not allowed why under a state of emergency.

caspiansails

It may give you an emotional link to your savior. It may also make you realize how nuts all this is at this point in time.

jakereed

The official church of the People's Republic of Frederick does not allow the singing of hymns. ...unless they are in praise of our local government leaders.

FrederickFan

This was in the Governor's order. Singing apparently spreads droplets and the virus more than talking.

jakereed

Is it okay with Larry and Jan if we rap the hymns instead then? I mean, beat-boxing is obviously out but I can really bust a rhyme and there would be only minimal spittle involved.

Surely they've declared some new guidelines that address this question?

caspiansails

And if you are not infected? The infected, like always in history, should be quarantined immediately otherwise free movement should be allowed.

User1

Can’t you sing while wearing a mask? May sound muffled but you can still do it.

solicitations

It's not what is being sung but the fact that, compared to talking, singing expels air from deeper in the lungs where the virus, if present, is more concentrated. Singing in an enclosed space over a period of time, such as the length of a choir rehearsal, means that the amount of virus circulating in the air can build to the point that people can inhale enough of the virus to become infected. Compare this to the amount of virus you inhale as an infected runner passes you on the sidewalk—the virus is quickly dispersed in open air and your exposure is brief, not sufficient for you to inhale enough of the virus to become infected. Variables are that some infected people expel more virus than others, and some uninfected people are more vulnerable than others.

Dwasserba

We could hum.

caspiansails

Good question especially given Courts have stated you cannot have separate rules for churches. If they pressed they would find that with large retail stores open it would likely be found unconstitutional to disallow churches to hold services.

FrederickFan

Physical distancing is required by the Governor. And yes this recommended by the CDC and health officials everywhere.

jakereed

"Required by the governor". LOL. As if he's the damned king. You've lost your mind and completely forgotten where you are. smh.

fredppls

Has this twit read the County Charter? She has no authority to make law and certainly not to enforce it! No singing in church? That’s laughable, meanwhile grocery shoppers are in full contact wrestling over fresh produce, toilet paper and chicken! Gardner, Chicken Little Larry Hogan and Merryland are a freakin joke!

bosco

And, how will she be informing small business owners that are preparing to reopen after Hogan's announcement, who will enforce her order, and what is the schedule of penalities and the authorization for assessing those, if any, penalties?

Steve Neilsen

Because people who are business owners are reasonable and understand their customers and the uncertainty. And they value health just as much as income.

anthonylapara

But they sure will take a handout from the Govt and then tear up welfare for others. I having heard and so called small business protesting.

Steve Neilsen

Did you refuse your stimulus? How about all of the deductions you qualify for?

Rockfish

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anthonylapara

At least we can wash our cars and groom our dogs. Jane you sooo smart!

caspiansails

Your dog can get a haircut but you cannot. What a world.

steelersfan2005

barber shoppes and salons do in fact reopen at 5pm, it says so in her executive toilet paper.

User1

Not in Frederick county! My barber was told that they cannot open and that Queen Jan will “reevaluate” next Thursday before deciding.

anthonylapara

So lets head to Carrol County for hair cuts and hair dressing. That will make our people happy.

anthonylapara

Ive compile a list of barbers and salons in Carrol ifl anyone is interested.

gramps

Walmart, Lowe’s and Home Depot grab every penny while the businesses that make Frederick a great city and county whither away. It’ll take a long time before we see a thriving Frederick again.

Aslan19

Do people notice that it the Democrats who want to control what we can and can't do? And no, it's not due to Republicans being "in love" with a dollar.

bosco

Eighty five percent of the deaths from Covid-19 in FredCo are in congregate living facilities, and yet Gardner is not opening some retail facilities? Can anyone explain the science behind that decision or is it political and flexing her Democrat muscles just to show she can?

awteam2000

Help me out, the majority of fatalities are from close contact “concentrated contact - assistant senior living, hospital workers , large crowds, the elderly especially in close spaces and those with pre-existing conditions... that’s so far... Now we are seeing children with ‘system inflammatory syndrome’... Over 85 thousand confirmed deaths in 2 months, and there’s over 1.5 million cases. At this rate, there will be a lot of assisted living spaces opening up, very soon.

Should I tell you, your mother, father, grandma, granddad, your child to “kiss off”, goodbye 👋? You’re done. Go to an assisting living facility. We all know you are done 🙄.

jagman

You do know the CV-19 deaths have been inflated, don't you? Everyone who dies now is a CV-19 victim.

Don't believe it? Even your exalted Dr. Birx has admitted that at least twice that I have seen.

caspiansails

Science, what science. She is a Democrat through and through and must find a way to exercise her authority, although I would love to see where she has this authority in the County Charter, and placate the radicals in the county. Typical authoritarian bureaucrat who continues to collect her six figure salary no matter what she decides or says she owns. So what if you own a decision you are not directly impacted by.

anthonylapara

She and hoagie are lame ducks. If they had to run again they be more cautious.

FrederickFan

Did you give her a raise? She doesn't make six figures. And yes, she is following science.

charlie1balls

I can't explain the science but I've been told I need to trust in it.

public-tertiary

I can’t understand the God but but I’ve been told to trust It.

User1

Sorry FF, Queen Jan is following “the Party” and not science!

Dwasserba

Doesn't sound like Jan

jakereed

Nobody should be surprised by that. If you swing all the way to the left, you get communism. Totalitarianism and Communism go hand-in-hand. One can't exist without the other.

I think a lot of people who lean that way are actually enjoying this stuff. More government control is what they've been clamoring for.

jakereed

Actually, that's not true. You can have Totalitarianism without Communism. Just not the other way around. But you get the point.

steelersfan2005

you mean the Republicans who is the governor of this state?

User1

You mean RINO Hogan? He’s a bigger RINO than McCain was!

jagman

It is true Hogan is basically a RINO. What it takes to get elected in a state like Maryland.

That said, his opponents in both elections were so bad it made it easier for him to get in. First time he ran against a certified imbecile and in the second a carpetbagging loon. A classic example of the "lesser of two evils".

DeplorableLocalVeteran

Unfortunately in every war there are casualties, this war on our existence the death rate will be higher because the enemy is unmerciful.

dabienus

Don't underestimate the stupidity of the populace in your calculations. There will be a lot of self-inflicted wounds because people act stupidly and selfishly.

chris

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anthonylapara

Not as stupid as our politicos and the people who vote them in.

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