Frederick County Councilwoman Jessica Fitzwater defended the county’s progress during eight years of charter government, while state Sen. Michael Hough advocated for a course correction, as the two county executive candidates sparred during a forum on Wednesday. 

Fitzwater and Hough received a list of topics before the forum, which the Rotary Club of Frederick hosted at Dutch’s Daughter.

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phydeaux994

You all throw around the word “RACIST” and don’t even know what it means. A RACIST is some on who believes that their race, WHATEVER IT IS, is SUPERIOR to another race or other races. That’s it. There is no other definition. If you come on the FNPOF and say all the people of a race other than yours are less intelligent or more violent or lazy or dress funny or whatever like some here do, you are a RACIST. You cannot be a Racist if you don’t like some people of your own race. You are not a RACIST if you dislike people of another race because they have treated you badly or they disagree with your Politics or for any other reason that doesn’t condemn their whole race as being inferior to yours. The only people here that I label as “RACISTS” are the ones that label races different from theirs. And those persons are very easy to spot. If I call you a RACIST here for disparaging people because you believe their race is not as good as you, tell me why I am wrong. Thanks.

kaihagen

Hough = Mooney = Cox = Trump

AOC

Kai, can share your thoughts about Jessica's statements regarding race and privilege. Since you worked with Jessica hopefully you can offer some insight.

shiftless88

AOC, don't be so blatantly disingenuous. You certainly understand exactly what she meant and if you do not by now, you never will.

AOC

Any idea when the Sheriff's debate is going to be held?

Hayduke2

Hey AOC, how do you feel about the blanket statement Jenkins made about ALL Democrats ?

gjthuro

the admitted racist meant exactly what she stated....why do you feel the need to cover it up and she also said we are strong financially so why did we need a 10% increase in our taxes...Hmmmm

shiftless88

jethro; then you should support my statement to AOC. If you think it is clear and I think it is clear, why is AOC so clueless?

gjthuro

Goof ball and cop wannabe

Plumbum

Troll wannabe

C.D.Reid

"Troll wannabe" tells me you think he isn't a troll, but wants to be. You are a known, confirmed troll, Pb. And you proved it years ago.

DickD

Fitzwater needs to come out with some adds against Hough who has had all kinds of nasty adds against Fitzwater, mostly lies. And Hough goes to church and takes communion? He needs to go to Confession too!

C.D.Reid

Do you also have a problem with Catholics who support abortion?

Plumbum

Cd, dick isn’t running for anything. Not about him.

phydeaux994

Mr. Reid, what do you think about all this stuff coming out about Trump and his mob? And all of this Legislation helping ALL Americans President Biden has gotten passed? Good stuff huh?

TrekMan

DickDo - how do you know they are lies?? Show me! You don't know doodley squat!

gjthuro

spot on!!!

Awteam2021

Yep. Trump might not be lying. It could be dementia. He thinks he could declassify documents by just thinking about it 🤷‍♂️. https://youtu.be/MMc5lfQc8Q0

Plumbum

Lol you caught that too 😂😂😂

gjthuro

I believe we heard all we need with her screaming episode...we need someone who conducts himself like an adult and that is Mike Hough...

mrnatural1

There are at least 9-10 comments below claiming that Jessica was speaking literally when she said she was a racist.

It stands to reason that if Fitzwater was a frothing at the mouth racist there would be some evidence -- photos of her:

* In her KKK Grand Wizard robe lighting a cross on fire

* In blackface

* Having her art students paint swastikas

* Carrying a tiki torch while doing the Nazi salute and ranting maniacally about Jews 'taking over'

Oddly, no such photos exist. How to explain that? Could it be that Jessica was in "woke mode" when she said she was a "racist", and what she *meant* was that she (and almost everyone) has implicit bias?

I think we all know that was the case.

First of all, very few people are truly "racist" (believe that their entire race is superior to others).

Second, no one -- especially a political candidate -- declares publicly that they are racist and means it literally.

Third, there is absolutely NO evidence that Jessica Fitzwater is a bigot, let alone a racist.

If you do not support her candidacy, fine, but use legitimate criticisms like her votes on the county council.

Focusing on one time when she misspoke reeks of desperation. It's also counter-productive, because if the only negative point voters hear is that Fitzwater is a "racist" -- a statement that is easily disproven -- they will be more likely to vote for her, not less. Especially unaffiliated/independent voters.

Piedmontgardener

When you don't have the facts on your side, reinterpret them for propoganda. Time honored and reprehensible practice. Notice none of them can argue Hough's qualifications other than as chief of staff for a clown shown under ethics investigation? Who doesn't have an opinion on state wide politics, though he's a sitting State Senator? Yeah, that's guts, exactly the person I want to run the executive function of the county, a guy who can't be standup. Fitzwater can learn. He's never learned.

sevenstones1000

Probably very poor judgement to confess to being a racist if you are not one, amirite?

I will vote for her, but don’t appreciate her obvious pandering to the confused and misguided Far Left. Progressives need to stop this nonsense.

Piedmontgardener

Agreed, Seven. Exactly where I land.

Public Discourse

Have you considered the possibility that she confessed because she practices racist values and priviledge? PMG, read where you had commented on relying on the council to keep her from going to far. I understand your logic, but it seems too risky. Which four council members would do that? Duckett will probably get Jessica's seat, Brad will probably get Kai's seat. Jerry Donald and M.C. will most likely retain their seats. I can not envision them objecting to anything Jessica proposes.

Piedmontgardener

Public, I can't possibly give a vote to Mike Hough, who supported "Stop the Steal." That's a 100% disqualifying for a candidate seeking public office. So that's where I land. Yes, I believe she will be restrained, and in the meantime, if the local Republican Party takes it on the chin again in the election, perhaps, just perhaps, the understanding that rational people need to be recruited to the party and others shown the door occurs. At present, I'm not hopeful

phydeaux994

PublicD, what Racist values and privilege does Ms. Fitzwater practice? First she’s a Far Left Progressive but now she’s a Racist. Which is it?

Dwasserba

“‘But I do not back down about talking about the fact that we all have implicit bias,’ Fitzwater said.” This was the point, which was taken literally by some. She did not talk down because she was not surrounded by third graders.

shiftless88

I find it interesting that the people who whine about her being racist are, as far as I know, not people of color. If people who she is supposedly racist against understand where she is coming from then why can't white people figure it out?

gjthuro

why are you trying to cover up for her???

shiftless88

jethro; why do you care? Why even discuss it. Clearly her statements are above your level of understanding.

mrnatural1

Absolutely seven. [thumbup]

Even though I often essentially agree with those who are overly concerned with being 'woke' and/or virtue signaling, their words and actions can drive me crazy.

One of the first few lessons in a poli sci 101 class should be -- "When running for public office, do not assume that all voters share your background -- educational attainment; religion (if any); or political ideology."

I do not know Jessica Fitzwater, but for the sake of this comment I'm going to assume that her circle of friends and supporters are very progressive. I have no doubt that when she said she was a "racist" she did not mean it literally, and she knew her friends would realize that. It was a self-deprecating comment that could have been made more accurately by saying something like, "We all have some implicit bias...". Instead, she spoke as if she was at a private gathering with friends who a) would understand what she meant, and b) certainly would not try to intentionally misinterpret her words to harm her politically.

Piedmontgardener

Best comment in the thread, well done. Mr. Natural.

42Mimi

I'm a senior citizen who is tired of "wannabe Trump" politicians who feel they must demean other candidates to win as does Michael Hough! As a republican, I was initially considering voting for Hough but am tired of receiving all the smear

pamphlets against Fitzwater arriving in my mailbox daily!! But at least I know how my vote will be cast. He's said that he will govern county as Hogan has run Maryland?

Hogan has class and he wouldn't smear his opponents as Hough has Fitzwater.

Burgessdr

Emulate Hogan? What the heck. Hogan is a moderate. Hough is off the charts whack job seditionist

Hayduke2

Burgess-👍👍

Plumbum

It’s quite comical that at the 11th hour How is suddenly anti development and pro hogan!

I could have sworn I’ve seen a comment or two or possibly a LTE from How disparaging hogan. Or no?

gjthuro

clueless

TrekMan

Unfortunately neither of the candidates are real good. Hough has baggage because of his Mooney ties, although he has managed people and has experience at the state level which bodes well for Frederick County. I think he's willing to work across the aisle to compromise as Hogan did. Fitzwater scares the heck out of me, she's inexperienced, oops, make that has zero experience managing anything especially with running something the size of our county - learning it on fly is cause for chaos and analysis paralysis (sitting on the county council doesn't count!) - two very different roles. She's also extremely left leaning and progressive which bodes for more entitlements, regulation and bigger government - which we don't need, it's already big enough and most like will lead to higher taxes. Folks, think about all this when you vote!

Boomer631B

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Awteam2021

So Trek, I should vote for people that I don't like that I don't agree with over people that I do like that I do agree with? Interesting concept. I’m thinking about it… Decision made: I’m going with the candidate I like and agree with (Fitzwater). Who are you voting for?

TrekMan

AW, I'm sure you are a smart person, I'm saying use some common sense and try to keep emotion out of it - which is tough I know. Hoping someone is going to grow into the job in these times is frivolous at best. It makes no sense, Hough may not be the first choice, but at least he has management experience and is known in Annapolis - that's huge. I'm giving him the benefit if the doubt because of his experience. Believe me, if he doesn't manage to what he is espousing, I will be in his face - one way or the other to hold his feet to the fire.

phydeaux994

Too bad you didn’t think about experience when you voted for a phony Billionaire Narcissistic Showman who filled your head with false promises and a desire to rob all the unEducated deplorable’s of their bank accounts. Fitzwater has more experience for Governing than Hough and his Idol Trump put together. BTW, Hough scares the heck out of me. Fitzwater will be Jan II and care about ALL the citizens of Frederick County, not just the MAGATS.

TrekMan

TBH - He's no different in my eyes than the hollow headed man we have in office now!! They both have serious issues. It's too bad we can't field better candidates.

gabrielshorn2013

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TrekMan

Fido - your TDS is showing again. Tuck that stuff away and pull your head out of the sand - see my response to AW.

gjthuro

what "baggage are you referring to specifically??

Awteam2021

Why would the county want to turn back the clock to the Blaine/Delauter/Shreve days with a Mooney Protégé?

TrekMan

I don't think Hough is that bad - I grew up with Blaine and knew Blaine was only in it for Blaine. Don't forget AW, unlike the majority of the commenters on this site, I actually grew up here. Most are transplant/newbies!

Hayduke2

Trek says "I don't think Hough is that bad" Really, it that based on his support of ALEC, preaching that the election was fake, attending Trump's rally's, working for an ethically challenged individual, or is it his UNstellar record as a representative?

phydeaux994

And what does the fact that you grew up here have to do with anything? And BTW, you are sure sounding moderate today. It becomes you.👍

AOC

In less than two months we will learn who will be the next County Executive. Jan Gardner drew support from all parties and independents. "Jan Gardner may be a Democrat, but she is Frederick County's best hope for sound money management, said Craig Hicks, founder of the new political organization Republicans for Jan Gardner (www.RepublicansForJanGardner.com) "We each have the right and responsibility to vote for the candidate we believe will do the best job." Like Craig Hicks, I will cast my ballot for the candidate who can do the best job, not based on any hatred for the opposing candidate.

“Fitzwater also said that, in her 16 years teaching elementary school music in the county, she has had experience managing the concerns of students, their parents and school system administrators.”

That’s it? An elementary student (PreK thru Grade 5) has music class twice a week. Students are not challenged to the same level as a classroom teacher who does it all. Greater leadership responsibility is required of classroom teachers, the cafeteria worker who ensures nutrition is provided to students in an orderly fashion, and certainly the school bus driver who consistently ensures students are safely transported to and from school each day and maintaining order of the passengers.

Most teachers seek the profession based on a calling and concern for students that motivates them until retirement. Has that calling dissipated with Ms. Fitzwater?

Fitzwater reiterated during the forum that County Executive Jan Gardner, D, was “exactly the best person” for the county to elect as its first executive.” Was that a response for how she will lead as CE? Reading that response immediately caused me to reflect to a debate of thirty-four years ago. When Dan Quale was asked about experience; “I have as much experience … as Jack Kennedy did when he sought the presidency.” Lloyd Bentsen responded, “Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mind. Senator, you’re no Jack Kennedy.”

"I am not a racist, and I did not say those comments in the most artful way. But I do not back down about talking about the fact that we all have implicit bias," Fitzwater said.

A teacher who does not communicate very well. How does she spell potato?

If the experience question comes up again, play it safe with the old tried and true!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFOe-KrxRDs

Piedmontgardener

Nice, you even got the music teacher dig in. Won't matter, Mike's product is what many of us are voting against. We'll trust the Board to act in a mature manner if Ms. Fitzwater gets off the center line in her governance.

Rock182

You trust a racist? I don't think Frederick Co. needs a racist.

Awteam2021

Not buying what you are selling. I bet you’re voting for Chuck Jenkins. Right?

Hayduke2

Come on Rock - you take it out of context and try to make it an issue. Sad.

threecents

Everyone is racist. Admitting it is a pick step toward dealing with it.

Greg F

Then don’t vote for Hough or Cox or pretty much any FredCo or MD Republicans if you don’t want racists. That’s their bread and butter.

Greg F

Bias does not equate racism.

phydeaux994

“I don't think Frederick Co. needs a racist.”…..neither do I Rock, and Fitzpatrick will do her best to get rid of all of them with the help of those nasty ol’ Democrats.

phydeaux994

Oops…Fitzwater.

TrekMan

Yes, yes, I am. Sheriff Jenkins is the most qualified by a long shot. Karl Bickel is has zero experience running a county anything!! You libs will vote for anyone that only follows your woke, left lean philosophy - so zero common sense voting. That's a shame. BTW, I did vote for Jan Gardner - twice!!

gjthuro

Spot-om

Boomer631B

[thumbup] Nicely stated... of course some folks here will go after you...

AOC

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Hayduke2

Gee - you seem to dismiss serving on the County Council. Nice try. Again, taking a comment out of complete context of the conversation and trying to make it the issue. Do better.

Rock182

Not out of context. try again, racist sympathizer.

Hayduke2

Nice one pdl wannabe

Boomer631B

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Greg F

Rock must be piddle. Some of the most commonality in stupid comments with zero basis in reality.

C.D.Reid

What do you know about reality, Groggy? It's not there's any in the la la land you live in.

TrekMan

👍👍👍

edens30

"Hough said the county is forcing the preservation plan on landowners in the Sugarloaf area"

Sure didn't take long for Mr "Stop Overcrowding" and "Preserve open space and agricultural land" to side with the realtors' and homebuilders' associations.

mrnatural1

Great observation edens. [thumbup][thumbup]

DickD

Hough is a right wing nut that chairs Mooney's re-election in W. Virginia. He is a racist and would do anything he can to send migrants back to their country, legal or not. As far as building, in Frederick County, it is his buddy Blaine that caused it, now he is trying to put the blame on Jan, who has worked 8 years to undo Blaine's destruction.

Vote Fitzwater!

Rock182

Fitzwater is the racist, said so herself lol.

besmartten

Read the whole context. Not just three words pulled from a transcript

C.D.Reid

I have watched the whole video. No matter how you want to try to spin it, she flat out admitted to being a white privileged racist.

And only racists will vote for a racist.

Piedmontgardener

"Only racists will vote for a racist" David Duke ring a bell? Ms. Fitzwater is not like that. I'm not wild about her ultra progressive self flagellation, but clearly the woman isn't practicing racism in her daily life. Too much woke, is my opinion, but she's also got some good chops and will be restrained by the Board. Using this as a weapon against her shows the general lack of ideas in this campaign by Hough, who's relying on the usual fear mongering to rile the base. Don't see it working out well for him, he can't rebrand his actual day job to make it seem like he's anything other that hard line party hack.

neilyoungfan25

I’ve seen the video many times of Fitzwater saying “ I have white skin so I am a racist” And I’m betting that video will be very popular in the next 6 weeks. Oh, Jessica!!

Greg F

Seedy, the easiest way to avoid voting for a racist is to not vote Republican.

neilyoungfan25

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Hayduke2

Rock = broken record...

Plumbum

At ease, dick, how hasn’t a chance.

mgoose806

Who knew Frederick County has their very own AOC? Good stuff.

Greg F

Who knew republicans had seditious coup attempting politicians and voters? We all did.

Fredginrickey

Does that make Hough Tna Forte? Probably

AOC

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Boomer631B

Well the edge goes to Hough not only in the debate but with the voters. If the national polling shows us anything that Republicans will support Hough and Dems will support Jessica... it is the Independents who like the Republicans do not like the inflation and overall economical news that is impacting our County... so with that Hough will win a close election. Throw in other issues like illegal immigration and getting us back to normal and fixing the bus driver shortage as well as teacher shortage will be handle a lot better by Hough than Jessica. She had several years to fix the employment issue with the School Board and failed to do so and she is a teacher knowing the problem and yet she sat back and did NOTHING!

richardlyons

If Hough loses he can thank his own party i.e Blaine, Kirby, Billy, and Smitty for turning Frederick County Blue.

shiftless88

Boomer; isn't that the job of the school board?

Boomer631B

She has the responsibility to oversight the Board of Education and drive them to fix urgent problems like bus drivers, teachers, and making sure parents are heard and not silenced; not to mention the DOJ report as BOE current members are leaving to seek higher office... nice!

Hayduke2

Nice try Boomer - you want to blame the whole county council while you are it?

Greg F

Edge…BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA - boombaby is deluded again.

C.D.Reid

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA, Groggy is still as clueless and ignorant as ever.

Greg F

Seedy can’t come up with a good retort…as usual.

C.D.Reid

And your retort to Boomer was a "good" one, Groggy? [lol][lol][lol][lol][lol][lol][lol][lol][lol][lol] You idiot.

Awteam2021

What? Hough lost the debate, right from the start. Dems vs. GOP aren’t evenly spilt in numbers. And by far the majority have been pretty pleased with the charter government’s first 8 years. Like Trump “it’s in your head”.

Dwasserba

You may be reading some Independents wrong.

JustTrying

Hough should have been asked whether he believes that Joe Biden was legitimately elected.

TrekMan

Puh-lease - who really cares anymore!

Hayduke2

Since it goes to credibility, I care. You should too but it is too easy for some to push aside the root cause of Jan. 6. You should be ashamed.

shiftless88

Trek; why do you think that is not a legitimate question? Anyone who does not think Biden was legitimately elected has serious credibility issues and lacks critical thinking skills. This is important to know.

TrekMan

Because it's freakin' over - who cares anymore. It can't be reversed! What's the point now! Jeez! Let's focus on the ineptness of Sleepy Joe! We need to figure out how to get him from digging us into a bigger hole - some balance is in order - vote in some common sense republicans for congress!! It's not rocket science!

Hayduke2

Trek- it can’t be reversed???? So you think it was illegitimate??? Says a lot bro!

shiftless88

The point, Trek, is that if you believe it was fraudulent then it shows you lack critical thinking skills and do not believe in our Democracy. This has nothing to do with whether something can be reversed.

Rock182

Oh did you forget when democrats told Hillary not to concede and ranted about Trump not being legitimate? Funny how it's ok for liberals, but not a republican.

Greg F

Rockhead, Agent Orange is still going on that it was rigged and he won. Hillary did concede. Many here won’t admit agent orange lost either.

TrekMan

Good point.

Hayduke2

Oh wait, it appears one of the right wing folks have changed their handles again, right Rock...

C.D.Reid

Why, JustTrying, what does that have to do with a local election? Maybe the moderator didn't ask him that because it absolutely has nothing to do with it.

Awteam2021

Do you think Dan Cox’s unpopularity will hurt the down ballot Republican candidates?

TrekMan

I hope not!

JustTrying

This would be the best of all worlds.

JustTrying

Because if he denies that Trump lost, it confirms that he's yet another cult member and will attempt to govern accordingly. It also makes him a seditionist in my mind.

Greg F

I got the anti-Fitz propaganda mailer yesterday. What a packaged set of falsehoods.

Hayduke2

Yup - the man sure is trying to rebrand himself.

Greg F

Whomever Brandon is didn’t stand up fake electorates and state an attempted coup.

Greg F

Stage

richardlyons

Chief of Staff to Trumpists Alex Mooney. That's all one needs to know.

sevenstones1000

I will never vote for a Republican for any office and Hough gives me the creeps just looking at him, but his TV ad makes Fitzwater look like a witless fool.

Now she says she ISN’T a racist - well, is she or isn’t she? She called me a racist, too, so I’d like an apology.

Maybe the “White privilege” meme can go in the dumpster alongside the “defund the police” slogan. If you have to keep saying your slogan doesn’t mean what it clearly says, maybe you need a new slogan.

Sam1934

Agree. I was with her until I heard that. But Hough is a no-go. I will vote for her.

Boomer631B

so you rather vote for her knowing she is not the right one just because you do not like Hough... sounds like what folks did in the POTUS election in 2020 - don't like Trump's tweets so vote in an idiot like Biden and allow him to destroy our economy... NICE! Please reconsider and vote for Hough at least this one time. Save us from Jessica.

besmartten

Election often come down to a choice either for or against. That’s not necessarily a bad thing.

Greg F

Boomboy, we all know just how awful Hough is. Far worse than any other candidate running. Voting for Hough is what we saw in voting for Sanjaya in the Vote for the Worst idol season he was in.

Fredginrickey

Boomy, a vote for Hough is a vote for Trump.

He can’t shake that TrumpStank and the attempt to overthrow the government, TrumpTraitorTrash

Hayduke2

Dude, if you think the vote for Biden was because people "- don't like Trump's tweet" the you are WAY out of touch with reality...

Rock182

So, you support self-proclaimed racists?

Greg F

More projection, Rockette?

shiftless88

I wonder if people like you deliberately do not understand, or if you are really this clueless.

sevenstones1000

I wonder if people like you can manage to put together a slogan that you don’t have to keep explaining doesn’t mean exactly and precisely what it says.

Boomer631B

clueless - I did not vote for the Biden and Harris and now look how they destroyed our economy... and they continue to do so and you just sit there and love it...

gabrielshorn2013

"...and now look how they destroyed our economy."

An just how did they do that, tim? Please be specific. Further, please compare your responses to how the rest of the world is doing, especially Europe. If you're going to cite inflation, the rest of the world is undergoing the same issue. If you're going to claim the $1T in Biden's "Inflation Reduction Act" (I know, silly name), then do you also acknowledge the $3.16 TRILLION in economic stimulus from the previous administration? After all, inflation is a lagging indicator. Gas prices? Nope. Demand exceeded supply while the refineries were down for repair and upgrades, and a supplier of 15% of the worlds oil started a war, frightening an already skittish market. The prices of oil and gas have come down significantly (about 33%, and gas is now $3.33/gal at Costco according to Gas Buddy). So what else?

Boomer631B

Once again - gabrielshorn2013 Sep 22, 2022 12:09pm if I or anyone else has to explain to someone how Biden and this current administration and congress has destroyed our economy well I feel real sorry for you and most likely you and many others on this site voted for Biden and now you and so many others are to blame for where we are with our economy... it would be funny if it was not a serious issue and for some of you totally clueless and hypocrites to boot!

gabrielshorn2013

@ Boomer631B Sep 22, 2022 1:37pm

tim, nice dodge there chevy. So, ya got nuthin' then? Certainly, since you claim that it is so blatantly obvious, you should be able to give the details of at least one of those failures, right? Or are you simply parroting tribal talking points? And why is it that when you are challenged, your knee-jerk reaction is that the person voted for Biden? As I mentioned many times in this forum, I didn't vote for either Biden or Trump, and in my professional life, I understand economics quite well, thank you.

Now, about those details...when do you think you could provide them?

Boomer631B

How about the freaking border crisis that Biden started and keeps enlarging it... or how about the adding more to the inflation rate by paying off student debt... idiots educated or not just plain idiots who voted for biden...

gabrielshorn2013

The “freaking border crisis”, tim? The “freaking border” has been a crisis since at least Reagan, if not longer. Biden did not start it, not did Trump, nor did Obama, nor Bush, nor Clinton, nor Bush, nor Reagan. What IS certain is that nobody has done anything about it, and each side wants to use it as a political cudgel against the other side, and trying to sabotage their opponent’s attempts at every opportunity. That is a fact. Adding more to inflation by forgiving some of a student’s debt (max $10K)? I didn’t support it either, but it certainly did NOT cause the current inflation. The earlier programs to prop up the economy did, including the $1 trillion under Biden, and the $3.2 trillion under Trump. All of that cash, with limited markets due to broken supply chains caused it, driving prices ever higher. Ask any economist. Now honestly ask yourself, what would have happened if those programs were not put in place? Would we be better or worse off? Then ask yourself if Trump would have done any better based on facts, not tribalism. I’m fairly certain we would end up in the same place, regardless of who was in office, and I didn’t vote for either of them.

Boomer631B

too funny gabby... this border crisis is all biden's and the debt that led to inflation is all biden - not trump so keep going - most of us conservatives get a real laugh from most of these liberal posts and most of you would tell us hunter is a choir boy and that it is okay what hillary did using the fbi and the doj to spy on trump campaign and white house... behind myth russian collusion... election deniers were first found in the democratic party like abrams and hillary and so many others - like I said we keep laughing our butts off at your commentary because we just keep pulling those strings that keep you coming back for more... gas prices are down... for now... let us see where we are in a couple of months... maybe some more illegals to the vineyard...

gabrielshorn2013

Got it, tim. You know nothing about economics and international business. Just keep stringing those thoughtless shallow talking points together as if you really believe you are saying something. You're not.

BTW, not a liberal. A Libertarian who believes in small government, and limited government interference in our lives. Too bad you don't.

Boomer631B

Got it, tim. You know nothing about economics and international business. Just keep stringing those thoughtless shallow talking points together as if you really believe you are saying something. You're not.

BTW, not a liberal. A Libertarian who believes in small government, and limited government interference in our lives. Too bad you don't.

First of all the points I am making are not shallow; because most folks do not want to address the Hunter Biden matter at all nor the Hillary Clinton classification crimes nor the hypocrites from the 2016 election that were deniers of Trump winning, or the rate of inflation under Biden because of more government hangouts... yes you are a Libertarian and know quite a bit about economics and some other topics and I have learned a few things from your comments. Yes small government would be nice and over the last 2 years the government has and will continue to g row with Biden so why not vote against folks who will support that overreach and growing problem... say what you want about us conservatives at least we will back another moderate republican when we know we have no other options, but for moderate republicans to walk away from a candidate because they did not get their candidate nominated well that is a sad thing... unlike the DEMS they support who ever runs against their opponent... the independents this time around are backing most republicans because they saw what happened in the last two years and they do not like the state of the economy...

gabrielshorn2013

tim, yes you posted some talking points, but that’s it. I asked you earlier for details of any of those talking points, and you gave me a list of more talking points. That is not details, tim, and that is what I meant by shallow. As friend from Nebraska used to say, “that’s like the Platte River; a mile wide, but an inch deep”. Continuing to repeat the same talking points after a request for clarity indicates a lack of knowledge of the details or the background of the issue. Hunter’s laptop? What about it? Where is it? What’s on it? Has the chain of evidence been maintained? You bring it up, but offer no details. What was on Clinton’s server? Yes from what I heard, there were e-mails referring to classified information, but was the actual classified document there? Yes, Trump won the EC in 2016, and that is what counts as per our Constitution. If those folks don’t like that, amend the Constitution as has been done 27 times before. I never stated that the $1T in government spending under Biden didn’t contribute to the current inflation situation, now did I? Nor can you claim that the $3.2 trillion spending under the former administration didn’t also contribute to it. Fact is, it all did, and if you were honest about it, you would agree. “Us (you) Conservatives, tim”? There is “conservatives” as a political philosophy, which most Libertarians agree with. Then there are “conservatives” which is a tribal movement, where the adherents really don’t understand conservative principles, or their own party’s platforms. They merely follow along because other’s say so, also known as herd mentality. I am in the former category, and when anyone makes a claim, I expect them to be able to explain why they believe it is so. If not, they’re just following the herd.

gabrielshorn2013

One last thing, “ the independents this time around are backing most republicans because they saw what happened in the last two years and they do not like the state of the economy...”

That doesn’t seem to be the case according to a Wall Street Journal (hardly a Liberal bastion by any measure)

Independent voters are now leaning toward Democrats in the 2022 midterm elections: WSJ poll

Since I doubt you have a WSJ subscription, I will send you a link to a free story:

https://www.businessinsider.com/independent-voters-leaning-democratic-midterm-elections-poll-biden-gop-2022-9

jth7100

Both shiftless.

Greg F

Really that clueless. Remember that half the people you meet any given day are below average intelligence. The RRR bell curve is shifted way left on that marker.

Awteam2021

Rock is clueless. No point in trying to address his/her misperception. The comment speaks for itself. Too ignorant to understand self-reflection on one’s past biases. It’s too intellectually challenging for them to understand.

TrekMan

Oi vey!!

Plumbum

I would have died if back when deputy First Class Charles A Jenkins initially ran for sheriff would have been asked to detail his leadership experience. LOL

TrekMan

Why don't you ask Bickel - I don't think he has any.

Boomer631B

[thumbup]

C.D.Reid

[thumbup][thumbup][thumbup] Trek. Unlike Sheriff Jenkins, Bickel isn't from Frederick County. All he cares about is the title of Sheriff. Jenkins cares about the county.

TrekMan

👍👍👍 I know Sheriff Chuck, he's a good man - He's a true Sheriff and wants to protect us and our county. Karl is unknown and never, ever managed a sheriff's division this size or any size for that matter!

Plumbum

Trek, this is an election. Anyone meeting age requirements and residency can run and prevail.

None of any of the former sheriffs have the backgrounds that you refer to. None of them.

Hagy - retired from MSP with a little rank under his belt.

Trumpkins never achieved rank. His DFC rank, that an automatic rank after a certain time period. It stands for deputy first class.

Bickel has had higher rank than Hagy.

You may know Trumpkins or may be acquainted, with him, but that doesn’t make you knowledgeable on the role and responsibilities of county sheriff.

When he ran for sheriff, he never once had any involvement in making key decisions at the FCSO. Zero. None. DFC’s don’t have a role in decision making or managing.

Plumbum

Correction:

Former, or CURRENT

TrekMan

Right on CD!!

Plumbum

Keyword: “think”

public-redux

If Fitz is taking developers money and wants FredCo to be MontCo North, Blaine's endorsement of her can't be far off.

Awteam2021

Fitzwater will continue the great job that Gardner has done.

trwz

[thumbup]

TrekMan

Uh-huh, I think not. More government, more taxes, more regulation, more entitlements, - the whole schmeel!

C.D.Reid

Fitzwater is walking back her declaration of being a racist just like so many of Brandon's comments have been walked back, by both his handlers and himself. Saying what they mean, and meaning what they say is not in the Democrat's playbook. And they say Republicans can't be trusted. [lol]

sevenstones1000

And where is the check from Mexico to pay for the nonexistent wall?

Greg F

Seedy doesn't want to do whataboutism on that one.

Greg F

Seedy snowflake ❄️

C.D.Reid

What check would that be, seven? Maybe if you and Groggy weren't so clueless, you would remember that Trump's plan was for Mexico to pay for it through increased tariffs and other economic means. But remembering the truth when it comes to something that's contrary to your narrative doesn't suit your agenda, does it?

sevenstones1000

And did they do that? Is the wall built? Where is the money Mexico paid?

Hayduke2

Trump's part of the wall fell down....

Greg F

Trump’s plan literally was to have Mexico pay for the wall. Anything after that was his backpedaling when he finally realized they weren’t gonna do that. Not even a good attempt at a spin seedy.

Greg F

In case your dementia gets worse, here is trump saying Mexico pays for the wall https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sc7h6WOOh7M

C.D.Reid

Don't be so naive (stupid,) seven. Had the wall been completed, the money would have eventually been recouped from Mexico over a period of time. Instead, Brandon is content to let all the money spent on construction materials for it be wasted by not finishing building it.

And to you, Hay, OK, when did "Trump's part of the wall fall down?" And, while you're at it, tell us which parts of it were Trump's, and which weren't.

Fredginrickey

Then why did Bannon need to steal donation funds from the Fake Build the Wall Fund? Seedy

Boomer631B

Have you been to the border???

Hayduke2

I have, several times.

C.D.Reid

When, Hay? When did you go to the border, and did you seen any of the flood of illegals flowing across it since Brandon opened it up?

Curious minds want to know.

TrekMan

Back when he went to Nogales in 1963 to get a couple of those cups with a ball tethered to it! Hahahahaha!!

Hayduke2

As recent as last year.. Big Bend area, El Paso, Organ Pipe area, to name a few...

Greg F

Seedy…which republicans are either convicted or indicted or under a multitude of federal and state investigations and which particular orange shaded one has 1000s of lawsuits for fraud, settlements for fraud, paid hush money and lied about it, and had sex assault charges by the dozens. Hint…RRR.

Greg F

More of seedy's whataboutism. So, if you want to go there, whatabout someone who has not yet walked back his stolen elections garbage? Whatabout someone who thinks he can just declassify documents by "thinking" about it? Whatabout a guy who won't walk back his fake electorates (one of which was caught on a voting site the very same day there were issues with the machines)? Whatabout all those fraud charges against that same person and settlements for fraud? Whatabout that every one of the RRR candidates in FredCo are rabid supporters of that same orange-shaded person? That speaks volumes more about the RRR candidates and Hough than anything else.

C.D.Reid

Always has to fall back on Trump, doesn't it, Groggy> This was a debate about a local County Executive election, but Trump is so ingrained in your empty head that it all falls back on him. You really need to get another lobotomy, the first one is wearing off. [lol][lol][lol]

sevenstones1000

Always has to fall back on Biden for you, CD. Hypocrisy is your middle name

C.D.Reid

Yeah, seven, the unprecedented problems this country currently has do fall back on Brandon. You can't blame Trump, Brandon's had 20 months to "fix" any problems you people think Trump caused. So, you tell me, when the hell is he going to? Huh? When?

TrekMan

Poor Greg, he's really got long term TDS-Covid! Covid and Trump running around and living in his brain!.

C.D.Reid

Correction: "?", not ">"

TrekMan

Greg is actually a good person, he's just got some serious TDS - it's unfortunate because he does have some good views too. 😉 We've seen eye to eye on a number of issues like bike lanes and rail to trails, etc.

wran

She also said she was a progressive.

Hayduke2

As opposed to a recessive??? I prefer progress.

DickD

That is because you are taking Fitzwater's remarks out of context and you know it.

Rock182

wrong. she is a racist.

md1980

All the more reason to avoid voting for Hough: "Since 2017, Hough has worked as chief of staff for U.S. Rep. Alex Mooney, a Republican in West Virginia, who formerly represented Frederick County as a state senator." Mooney was run out of FC. Why would we want the like of him as a County Executive?

threecents

Exactly, Mooney and Hough's buddy Dan Cox are Blaine/Trump style pro-growth, anti-regulation Republican, and Hough expects us to believe he is like Cox's nemesis, Governor Hogan?

Plumbum

Don’t forget Parrott, he’s a trump loving Cox lusting MAGA, too

Greg F

Tattoo Parrot…wants to tattoo people like Hitler did.

FrederickFan

Jessica Fitzwater for CE. Sounds like she held her own against Hough and won the debate. She is the only candidate for CE with county experience who will support education, the Livable Frederick Plan, and keep our community safe. Hough will just pave the county over with new houses. He just can't be believed.

Piedmontgardener

Hogan Republican working for Alex Mooney. Dude, you can't even lie artfully. No sale. I know this county will quickly 86 Fitzwater if she moves off the Gardner line. You? No reason at all to embrace the MAGA garbage land you did and quietly still do. Steve McKay would be the perfect person, maybe in 4 years as a civic retirement position.

threecents

Yah, running as a Hogan-style Republican is the only way he can win. The problem is that his record shows he is a Trump-style Republican

C.D.Reid

So? Where's the problem in that?

threecents

He is pretending to be someone he isn't so that moderate Democrats will vote for him.

Plumbum

Also known as a career politician about to get the pink slip

shiftless88

CD; one would think that he would be proud of his Trump loyalty. Why do you think he tries to hide it?

Hayduke2

Well, CD, if you have to ask that no explanation will suffice.

DickD

If you don't know, Seedy, you have been hiding in bed with the blanket over your head.

C.D.Reid

Yeah, 75 million people don't see a problem with that. You socialist sheeple are so blind with your pseudo loyalty to Brandon that you forget how many people still support a man who's primary interest is putting this country first. Why don't you all just pack your bags and move to Venezuela, Cuba, Iran, China, or Russia. You would all fit right in in either of those countries.

phydeaux994

Watch the news Mr. Reid. The whole mob are going ⬇️ DOWN!! Where Traitors belong.

threecents

CD, Please tell me you don't honestly believe that Trump's primary interest is putting this country first. You know as well as the rest of us that he only cares about himself.

Fredginrickey

No, no, F no. If by screwing over the locals and going behind their backs to help rezone an area from agriculture to business is perfect, no thanks. You must not live in his district.

mrnatural1

Fredginrickey --

You wrote:

"If by screwing over the locals and going behind their backs to help rezone an area from agriculture to business is perfect, no thanks. You must not live in his district."

Who are you referring to? When did the rezoning happen?

(One of the many advantages of forums over this comment section is that it is obvious who someone is replying to...)

Burgessdr

Hough is a loser.

CaringCommunity

It's a hard sell for Mike to convince us that he is a Hogan Republican. With his long history with ALEC, Alex, and Trump, he's much more like Cox.

DickD

He is a better liar than Cox. But then Cox doesn't lie about his connections to Trump.

Fredginrickey

D, true

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