The Frederick County Law Enforcement Center was the site of a “We Back Blue” event Saturday morning, drawing about 100 people to voice their support for the police. Across the street, protestors from groups such as Frederick United gathered to voice their opposition to Sheriff Chuck Jenkins’ policies and racial injustices in Frederick County.

Organizer Melissa Robey of Virginia said this is the 13th “We Back Blue” event she’s held since June 13.. According to her, this is the first time yet that she’s had protesters at an event.

“I’m not here say police lives matter, blue lives matter, all lives matter,” Robey said in an interview. “I’m not here using divisive language. To be honest with you, if somebody has had a bad experience with a police officer, I want to change that for them.”

Tempers flared after the protesters booed Jenkins during his address to the crowd. When attendees started to go over to the street to yell back, We Back Blue organizers got involved. Conversations quickly turned heated.

Attendees on both sides said they wanted to have respectful conversations so they could aim to bridge the gap. However, when emotions ran high and insults were thrown, those conversations were no longer possible.

By the end of the event around 1 p.m., the protesters had crossed the street and started to kneel and chant in the vicinity of the We Back Blue event, which had several speakers who shared their message of supporting law enforcement.

Isabella Lowery, 17, who is an organizer with Urbana Black Lives Matter Protest Organization, said she felt there wasn’t much progress made.

“The ignorance that we’ve seen, the fact that Chuck Jenkins isn’t wearing a mask trying to tell us what to do... I don’t know,” Lowery said. “There’s been a lot of arguing, a lot of yelling, not a lot of productive conversation. And that’s definitely frustrating. The people here do not want to listen.”

The breakdown

Johnny Mercer, with Frederick United, said when he and the first protestors arrived, he spoke with Robey and said they would be staying on the other side of the street during the event. That was until the protesters began to use airhorns and chanting “End 287(g)” and “Where’s your mask?” during Jenkins’ speech.

A few WBB organizers came to speak with Mercer. He was fine speaking with them until one man got too close to Lundy, without a mask, and Mercer intervened.

“We have no problem talking to adults,” Mercer said. “If you’re going to send childish people over to talk like children, or to talk to us like we’re children we’re not interested in talking to you.”

Gov. Larry Hogan issued an executive order requiring masks to be worn in outdoor situations where social distancing is not achievable, which went into enforcement on Friday evening.

Jenkins later commented that he didn’t see protesters at previous Black Lives Matter protests wearing masks, despite most events being branded mask-only events.

“Going back to all these protests, masks have never been a concern, some people wore masks, some people didn’t,” Jenkins said. “Some people were distanced, some weren’t. It’s hard to control.”

Tensions were already high in regards to mask-wearing, but things heated up when insults were flung by both sides. One man with a blue lives matter flag yelled, “Get a job, you can do it,” at the protesters. Meanwhile, a man on the WBB side was called a slur.

Robey said she didn’t see the point of arguing.

“Actually, when we went to Baltimore, we had Black Lives Matter come,” Robey said. “They actually didn’t scream and act like animals, they came to our event and they marched with us.”

After Robey made the comparison to animals, protesters expressed their frustration to her, saying the term is racist. Robey said that she called her children animals when they were misbehaving, and asked the protesters if they had taken it as “a Black thing."

“That [comment] is wrong across the board,” Frederick United organizer Kristen Lundy later said in an interview. “But if you really want to get down into the nitty gritty, in the Black and brown community we are often called animals whenever we are upset, angry, showing any type of emotion other than just being meek and docile.”

Akiyyah Billups with Frederick’s March for Justice was also upset by the comparison. She recalled how Michelle Obama was often depicted as a gorilla during the Obama administration.

“What does that do to the mindset of these young people and people of color?” Billups said.

The encounter left people on both sides of the argument feeling like they could not make progress.

“I think we are angry, and I think we need to change that narrative,” Billups said. “People are talking about their experiences, and the one thing that oppresses and frustrates and stagnates this movement is things like that that try to stop the momentum of the change that we’re requesting.”

Changing the narrative

Robey said she wants to change the narrative of police being agitators or corrupt. While she is from Virignia, she takes her efforts on the road to other states and cities because she wants to spread her message.

She has family in law enforcement and said the abuse they have seen recently has affected her deeply. She cited the murder of David Dorn, a retired African-American police officer in St. Louis, who was killed during a looting in June.

“David Dorn was the tipping hat for me, watching somebody who served 40 years and was left laying on the ground like a piece of garbage,” Robey said. “It was really hard. And I cried for two days when he died. Enough was enough.”

Robey thought the protesters were all anti-cop or wanted to abolish the police force entirely, citing Black Lives Matter as a trend that will soon die out. But many protesters said they are more interested in reforming the justice system and reallocating police funds to other public services.

“We’re not anti-police,” Billups said. “And we also meet with Frederick County Public Schools, I’ve met with the county executive, there’s a lot of change across multiple systems and institutions that need to take place and people are now rising up to get there.”

She also said she found it scary that Jenkins refused to address systemic racism in law enforcement, which he did several times during his speech and again in an interview with the News-Post.

“This whole conversation ... ‘defund the police’ is absolutely ludicrous,” he told the crowd. “We don’t need police reform. We need society to reform on how they respect the police.”

He said the majority of instances of use of force are a result of people not knowing how to respect the police. He later amended that there are some instances of excessive use of force, but he does not see that problem in Frederick County.

Casie Chang, who came to attend the We Back Blue event, said she actually learned a lot from the protesters. After tensions continued to climb, the protesters crossed the street and took a knee on the lawn where the We Back Blue rally was held. More arguments ensued, in which Lundy made a hurtful comment to one of Chang’s friends, and Chang fired back at Lundy.

But after the event ended around 1 p.m., Chang wanted to apologize to Lundy.

Lundy also apologized to Chang and they began to discuss their beliefs and what they were hoping to achieve in the future. One of the topics they both agreed on and think they could work on together was making the Sheriff’s Office’s budget public so they can see how taxpayer funds are allocated in the county.

Chang also walked away understanding the call to defund the police, which is rooted in trying to allocate police funds to other public institutions.

“I know when I hear defund the police I’m thinking somebody doesn’t want them around, and talking to Kristen and her group, that’s not what they’re saying. They do realize the importance of the police.

After the event, Mercer spoke with Jenkins and suggested they have a dialogue. Jenkins said his door was always open, and Mercer and some other members of Frederick United plan to take him up on the offer.

Meanwhile, Chang, who is a self-proclaimed Trump supporter, said she would love to have Frederick United meet with the Frederick County Republicans Club. While Frederick United does not associate with a party, Lundy agreed a dialogue or even a town hall could be beneficial.

The way Chang sees it, both groups are wanting similar things. She doesn’t want her loved ones who are police officers to be harmed. Lundy, Billups and so many other protesters don’t want people of color to be brutalized by the police.

The question is how to move toward that future.

“That’s really the problem that’s going on today as a whole, is that none of us – and I’m just as guilty as everybody else – we’re not taking the time to listen to one another. We’re all so worried about defending ourselves,” Chang said. “So I think it’s time that people start coming together and listening. I think we would all start realizing that we’re all really kind of fighting for the same thing for the most part. But because we’re not listening, we don’t know that.”

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(191) comments

corgikid

Patricia Cullors, founder of the communist BLM, is an avowed marxist. That should say it all and end the argument. BLM is a marxist, anti-American, and anti-semitic organization.

Pisces

Yes!

phydeaux994

Donald John Trump 🖤LOVES🖤 pinko commies. They are his only FRIENDS in the World. He envies their POWER, their CONTROL over their people. He wants to be like them, and he has partially achieved that goal. He is a Dictator, the Republican Senators declared him above the Rule of Law, no longer subject to the Constitution of the United States of America. So Don must be a marxist, anti-American, and anti-semitic man/child. Or, more probably, severely Mentally Ill. Did you watch his Coronavirus Report tonight? He did not say one thing that was factual. “We’ll have a vaccine soon. Companies are already manufacturing it, the Military is ready to distribute it as soon as it is approved. The Economy is breaking records again. Unemployment is down, wages are up”. He doesn’t think he is lying, he believes all that is true. How about you corgi kid?

C.D.Reid

"pinko commies," fido? And you have the nerve to call me a racist???

Pisces

The BLM gang should has been arrested for disorderly conduct!!

awteam2000

The charge being?

C.D.Reid

Can you read, aw? DISORDERLY CONDUCT. Maybe you should try reading all of Pisces' comment, the entire sentence.

gabrielshorn2013

@ NewMarketParent Aug 3, 2020 12:41pm

NMP, who are “the white supremacists that I am caping for”? What does that mean anyway? I have no idea who anyone on this forum is, nor do they know me. If someone makes a reasonable statement, I will agree. If they don’t, I won’t, or I will disagree and state why, often with links to support my position. If you believe that Libertarians = Conservatives = Republicans, that is your of lack knowledge about Libertarians. Libertarians also share many of the same ideals as Democrats. You really should Google the party and their platform.

phydeaux994

“The boogaloo movement is a loosely organized American far-right anti-government extremist movement. Adherents of the movement are often referred to as boogaloo boys or boogaloo bois. The movement has also been described as a militia”.

“Participants often identify themselves as "libertarian" and say they are preparing for, or seek to incite, a second American Civil War which they call the "boogaloo".

gabrielshorn2013

Ummm...no phy. The Boogaloo boys are not libertarians. Read the platform. LP.org.

bosco

Is there any topic here that Fido cannot turn into a racist, Trump, Boogaloo Boys rant?

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C.D.Reid

The answer to your question, bosco, is a resounding NO. There is not.

KellyAlzan

MSP needs to give the sheriff a citation for not social distancing. On Friday at 1700 hrs a new state mandate went into effect. And the photos in the article show the sheriff and his elves violating the mandate.

C.D.Reid

There's two pictures, Plumbum, and I see the sheriff in only the second one with no one within 6' of him. Any reason in particular why you insist on being such a moron?

NewMarketParent

@gabrielshorn2013

Congratulations for you.

I am different in that I had a very basic, middle class upbringing. I applaud you for taking every opportunity and advantage offered to you.

I would like a country where those are standard. It is a travesty that we don't have more scientists and shameful that we don't do everything in our power to give everyone a basic public education. Science education is an investment in our future.

MD1756

NMP, while this is somewhat off topic, I'm curious about your statement "...shameful that we don't do everything in our power to give everyone a basic public education..."

By laws isn't everyone given a public education unless they have approval to do otherwise (home school, private school, etc.)? Now there may be differences in the quality of the education within the same local educational agency (LEA), and where that does exist, that should definitely be addressed (and that happens regardless of which political party generally has control of the local politics). Is that what you're talking about, the difference in the quality within a given LEA?

Also, while I believe, like most, children shouldn't be punished for their parents' faults, do you apply that statement to parents who aren't as involved with their children as they should be and/or don't provide them with the tools/resources to be successful adults (and I'm not talking about people hit by unexpected catastrophic issues such as a child developing caner and draining the family's resources)?

Just curious.

corgikid

Vote Republican and your children could possibly get a good education; otherwise, send them to private school.

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NewMarketParent

@gabrielshorn2013

I only know you by the company you keep. I see you on here holding up the white supremacists and co-signing their comments... so... you are what you show

I have no other knowledge of you than what I see here and I see you constantly caping for the white supremacist crowd.

Libertarian, Conservative, Republican have shown no practical difference when it comes to the ballot box.

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gabrielshorn2013

It looks like someone is trying to delete your question to me KR999.

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gabrielshorn2013

KR999, yeah, the "Death Eaters" from the Harry Potter books and films. That's the only one I know about. You already know my DJT story, so I won't repeat it.

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gabrielshorn2013

Since you are apparently new NMP, I'll let that slide. Anyone that has been here for a while already knows the story, but I'll go throughit again for your benefit. I grew up outside NYC and knew about DJT long before most here. A high school friend worked for him after grad school, but quit within a year saying "what an @$$#ole". I didn't vote for him in '16, and sat out the presidential election for the first time since turning 18. Depending on who Biden picks as a running mate, there is a good possibility of sitting '20 out too. I am not a Republican. I am a Libertarian. Big difference. Hope that clears that up for you.

corgikid

“If this country doesn’t give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it. All right? And I could be speaking figuratively. I could be speaking literally. It’s a matter of interpretation,” Hawk Newsome said during an interview Wednesday evening on “The Story” with Martha MacCallum.

C.D.Reid

Note the last line; he does not condemn rioting. I'd say that pretty well sums it up.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/06/25/black_lives_matter_leader_we_will_burn_down_this_system_if_country_doesnt_give_us_what_we_want.html

NewMarketParent

@corgikid

Isn't that exactly how this country was founded?

Why do you hate America?

corgikid

What was it about my response that suggests I hate America?

C.D.Reid

Don't expect a reply from NMP, corgikid. One of the best known traits of his kind is to make some ridiculous comment and then, when asked to prove what he said, will simply not get back to you on it because he just doesn't have a legitimate answer.

armillary

It's telling that my neighbor, the kind of guy who flies the Gadsden flag in his front yard and rants about "illegals collecting social security," had his “We Back Blue” yard sign in his front yard by Saturday by mid-afternoon. Boneheads.

NewMarketParent

@armillary

You will see those same people here in the comments section of FNP. The cognitive dissonance is tangible.

corgikid

A self- appointed intellectual elitist.

C.D.Reid

Agreed corgikid, and the emphasis being on "self- appointed." [thumbup][thumbup][thumbup]

corgikid

You have always been a loser and a fool liberal.

vodalone

I support BLM's original message and what it represents, however the movement on its own is burning itself out from the overreach. It's ironic because it's kind of like a virus (not in negative way). Once a virus becomes overly aggressive and kills too quickly, it burns itself out and disappears. When the BLM movement stops addressing actual injustice and starts to make ridiculous demands for people to change their lives in ways that have little or nothing to do with racism, the movement loses credibility and disappears.

awteam2000

for example ...

vodalone

Like this for example. And there are plenty of others.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8587881/Cuban-business-owner-Louisville-decries-BLMs-mafia-tactics.html

awteam2000

Bullying store owners is never a good way to get your point across especially when they support your cause. Sounds like an apology was In order and given. Is that it? Next example...

vodalone

Read the story, it wasn’t just this guy it was 20+ businesses in the area. Like I originally said, this movement like many others will burn out due to overreach and misdirection. I proved my point, if you’d like you can easily google plenty more examples.

newspostreader

What happened to the screaming man in the Trump hat? He didn't want people to see his behavior so he asked for it to be taken down? Is that the situation?

jwhamann

The BLM protesters should use all their efforts to kick Trump out of office... PERIOD!!!

C.D.Reid

If Pelosi and Company can't "kick Trump out of office" with their bogus Russia, Russia, Russia, and impeachment efforts, what makes you think blm protesters could do it?

NewMarketParent

@KR999

I distinctly remember only one side wore shirts to a rally that state "I'd Rather be a Russian than Democrat".

Russia hoax indeed....

Innocent people don't try to kick out all of the wheels of justice from their own Justice Department.

C.D.Reid

I suggest you contact the Justice Department and inform them of all the information you have, that they didn't, in order for them to reopen the investigation.

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C.D.Reid

No Jim, I'm a realist, something the left has no clue of.

NewMarketParent

@jwhamann

I think that is the general plan.

francesca_easa

This Tuesday's National Night Out is canceled this year. With all the grief towards the police, I am glad that they are not going to waste their time flipping burgers, handing out goodies and playing soccer with an unappreciative community. I Back the Blue, our Firefighters, First Responders and the Military.

awteam2000

How ‘bout “Wall of Vets“ do they count? Yep, Not only in Portland, but they are here too.

C.D.Reid

They're here too? Where?

shiftless88

You know, I do my job all the time and I do not expect to automatically be appreciated. I have to earn that. I mean, it is not like the police are volunteering; it is their JOB. We are the customers.

gabrielshorn2013

I didn't realize that your job put your life at risk on a daily basis, shiftess. In that case "Thank you!"

shiftless88

It is true that I am not working for a slaughterhouse or a logger. How about showing them some appreciation?

gabrielshorn2013

Oh, absolutely agreed that those are dangerous jobs shiftless, along with commercial fishing, and I enjoy the fruits of their labors on a daily basis. However, the cows, pigs, trees, or king crabs are not deliberately trying to kill the people in those jobs. Deaths there are accidental, and may be prevented for the most part by following proper safety protocols. Criminals do not follow the rules, and may seek to take out an officer without warning. Officers have been killed in routine traffic stops, intervening in domestic disputes, or ambushes. Not really comparable.

awteam2000

All black people are criminals suspects “deliberately trying to kill police? Dealing with them (people of color) puts police at a greater risk then dealing with white people, life threatening risk?

According to statistics reported by the FBI, 89 law enforcement officers were killed in line-of-duty incidents in 2019. Of them , 48 officers, across all law enforcement agencies, died as a result of felonious acts, and 41 officers died in accidents. Meanwhile a total of 558 civilians were shot by police, 111 of whom were Black. Additionally the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans was much higher than that for any other ethnicity.

Sounds like it’s time for reform, if only to keep police safe.

gabrielshorn2013

awteam2000 Aug 3, 2020 2:09pm said: ”All black people are criminals suspects “deliberately trying to kill police? Dealing with them (people of color) puts police at a greater risk then dealing with white people, life threatening risk?”

Who in the world said or even implied such a stupid statement aw? Certainly not me. Those are YOUR WORDS, not mine. You’re hallucinating again. Lay off the ‘shrooms. Police put their lives at risk every time they pull someone over, intervene in a domestic dispute, break up a fight, and on and on. If you’re saying only people of color are criminals, or do such things, wow, how racist! Remember, officers wear vests for the most part. Very few officers who are shot in the line of duty will die if hit in the vest. If civilians were shot by police, why was that? Was there criminal activity involved (Y/N)? Did the civilian have a weapon (Y/N)? Was the officer threatened (Y/N)? Were others threatened (Y/N)? Did the suspect fail to drop the weapon when ordered (Y/N)? Don’t just pull stats from your @$$. Know what they mean first. When you do your homework, get back to us.

awteam2000

Not sure if italics was necessary in responding . Quotations would’ve been sufficient. It was just a question. A simple, “yes or no,” would have worked 🤔. You could have followed up with explaining your position or flaws in my view of your point. That would have been enlightening.

Have you ever noticed, you have a habit of getting upset when your views are challenged? You know, if you are uncomfortable having your points questioned, it might be better not to share them, maybe stop posting. You are always going to be challenged. The platform is setup for “debate conversations”. If you are not up for a challenging encounter you shouldn’t comment. Just chill.

Now back to the point, it’s much more threatening being a “Black“ male in America then being a police officer. That’s a fact. And you can’t change uniforms.

gabrielshorn2013

Aw, italics are used to show that I am responding to a point being made by someone else, to highlight their comment. Quite common actually. A simple yes or no is never sufficient for you, and you know that, especially with the questions you interjected. Upset? Hardly. Maybe your incorrect assumption…again. Challenge my views all you want with facts or a link to support your challenge. Fact is, your comment was a non-sequitur to what shiftless and I were discussing, so I don’t understand why you chose to throw it in there. Why do you think that it was appropriate? Why not start a conversation with a question? If you wished to start a new thread on that subject, you should have done so. Now, answer my questions above.

awteam2000

Sorry I meant “threatened”!

C.D.Reid

Ya know shift, it may be their job, but it's a job that they did volunteer to do.

NewMarketParent

@KR999

Volunteers are not paid. The two are opposite of each other.

C.D.Reid

Is that a fact, NMP? By definition, a volunteer is "a person who freely offers to take part in an enterprise or undertake a task." With the key words being "freely offers," as in is not forced or coerced into doing it. Got it? A person can volunteer to do a job that pays. And you're soooooo very smart that you have a job which you can do remotely! [lol]

armillary

As Trump told the mother of the son killed in action, "He knew what he was signing up for."

gabrielshorn2013

Agreed arm, just as stupid then as it is now.

NewMarketParent

@KR999

Thank you for making my point for me. Freely offers... FREE-LY

When you are paid... you are not doing it for FREE

C.D.Reid

NMP, you obviously don't know the definition of the word "freely." And what with you being soooooooo smart that you can do your job remotely (although it doesn't look like you're spending any time on it today.) So, let's just take a look at it, ok?

Definition of freely:

in a free manner: such as

a: of one's own accord

left home freely

b: with freedom from external control

a freely elected government

c: without restraint or reservation

spent freely on clothes

d: without hindrance

a gate swinging freely

e: not strictly following a model, convention, or rule

freely translated

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/freely

It does NOT mean doing something without pay, it means doing something because you want to, not because you have to. Personally, I really don't care if you want to continue to look the fool, and I don't think it will surprise anyone here if you decide to. And, when you do with your next comment trying to make me look wrong, thank you for proving my point.

NewMarketParent

@KR999

You do not seem to understand the definition of volunteer:

verb

work for an organization without being paid.

gabrielshorn2013

Interesting exchange here between KR999 and NMP. Some hypotheticals. If I volunteer for the military, can I be paid for my service? If I volunteer for an assignment within my company, am I doing so without the expectation of being paid? Conversely, if I am paid, does that mean that I was ordered to do something against my own free will?

C.D.Reid

Well, NMP,I see that, now that I’ve finally explained the difference between “free” and “freely” to you, we need to work on “volunteer.” Yes, a person can volunteer to do a job for which he will not be compensated, financially or otherwise, and I never denied that. But, if you were to read my initial comment comprehensively, you would see that I did not mean it in that context. Pay attention now:

volunteer noun

vol·un·teer | \ ˌvä-lən-ˈtir \

Definition of volunteer (Entry 1 of 3)

1: a person who voluntarily undertakes or expresses a willingness to undertake a service: such as

a: one who enters into military service voluntarily

b(1): one who renders a service or takes part in a transaction while having no legal concern or interest

(2): one who receives a conveyance or transfer of property without giving valuable consideration

2: a volunteer plant

3capitalized [Volunteers of America] : a member of a quasi-military religious and philanthropic organization founded in 1896 by Commander and Mrs. Ballington Booth

volunteer verb

volunteered; volunteering; volunteers

Definition of volunteer (Entry 2 of 3)

intransitive verb

: to offer oneself as a volunteer

volunteered to host the meeting

transitive verb

: to offer or bestow voluntarily

volunteer one's services

Note particularly the noun, 1a example: "one who enters into military service voluntarily" which is exactly how I meant it. So, by your "logic," all who join the military on their own accord, or "voluntarily," will not be paid for their service. And you really believe that? Well, you know what I believe? I believe you're the only one who thinks you're as smart as you like to think you are.

Ya know, NMP, as I've said many times, one who is wrong, and admits it, will get far more respect than one who's wrong and won't admit it but tries to cover it up, sidestep, or deflect from it.

C.D.Reid

Gabe, for someone who claims to be so smart, and educated with two degrees, for the life of me I can't figure out why NMP can't understand the context in which I used the word "volunteer" in my initial comment of 8:47 this morning. It makes me really wonder about his intelligence claims. Ya know, anyone here can say they have a degree in this or one in that and no one can disprove it.

threecents

Here is a great illustration of what we have right now in the heartland - where the police and black people do not trust each other and everything escalates, resulting in the black people becoming felons and more distrusts of the system. Most of the comments look like they came right out of the 1950s. So much for progress.

https://www.facebook.com/AuroraILPolice/posts/3034975369901523?comment_id=224231952125438&reply_comment_id=992026514590293&notif_id=1596408458692204&notif_t=feed_comment_reply

DickD

What happened on both sides bothers me. I understand BLM, it is an attempt to make all aware of past discrimination and current systemic discrimination. Countering that with all lives matter is a attempt to dilute the message of BLM. That is true without being stated.

It bothers me that someone from outside of the County and State came here to demonstrate. We don't need or want them here. Yes, blue lives matter, we need them. ..In Frederick County we have a problem with funding agreements made by the Sheriff acting alone

. The County budgets the Sheriff, they do not control how the Sheriff spends the money. That needs to change. If we are taxed in the County, the County should and NEEDS TO CONTROL the MONEY.

The Sheriff needs to follow the Governor's mandate, he is being disrespectful of the Governor.

The Sheriff needs to find out all Blacks in the County who may have been abused by the police - if any. Let's clear this up! The County can certainly take action on that!

I am glad that the Sheriff offered to sit down and discuss it. That is good! Both sides need to listen.

We need a County Police Department! We need to control how County taxes are spent. We need to make sure EVERYONE is following the law.

neilyoungfan25

Dick - I agree with some of what you said. Jenkins and the supporters should ALL be wearing masks. Jenkins needs to show leadership and going without a mask is NOT it. I am happy Jenkins offered to sit down and talk about issues. He should do that. However, he gave the BLM group his full attention about six weeks ago when they gathered at his office, but the BLM group were only interested in yelling F Chuck and not talking about issues. I saw the video. It was disgusting the way this group acted. I also saw parts of a video yesterday where the BLM group played very loud police siren sounds while the support the police group were trying to listen to their speakers This was simply rude. I think we are going to see more people coming out in support of police officers. People are fed up and they see on the news how BLM protestors are burning cities down. No one wants that here, not to mention the many police officers that have been killed or injured. People are scared. And please don't say BLM protests are peaceful. Not anymore. They have turned violent in many cities.

awteam2000

The “ Black Lives Matter” movement in Frederick hasn’t been violent. And mostly all protest across the world were nonviolent. But, if you think someone seen pressing a knee on a humans neck for eight minutes and 46 seconds, by someone supposedly a law enforcement officer, caught on camera while the victim is begging for relief. The helpless victim crying “I can’t breathe” and calling for his dead mother for help. Murdered by someone sworn to protect him, and you don’t expect a violent reaction? You are fooling yourself. That puts all cops at risk. If Blue Lives Matter they should be protesting to condemn that behavior not condoning it.

DickD

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C.D.Reid

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shiftless88

so, neilyoungfan; What has Chuck done to address any issues in the past six weeks? I haven't heard anything. Maybe he has done something and I haven't heard but the fact that he listened to people six weeks ago and apparently did not act just illustrates why his "meeting" was viewed as a show and not a real attempt to have a discussion with actual changes or outcomes.

C.D.Reid

Why should the sheriff make any attempt to have a discussion with people who are not interested in talking, but only in shouting him down with insults to his face? He made the attempt once and they blew it. I think he should be commended for appearing this time. It's not like he had to, and I wouldn't have blamed him if he hadn't.

NewMarketParent

@shiftless88

Jenkins is the ultimate bad faith actor. He will do nothing to change his ways. He will "meet" with anyone, but he has never made any attempt to change an iota of how he approaches the job nor his ways. He won't until he is voted out.

NewMarketParent

@shiftless88

The offer to meet is his standard bad faith plan. It is so his rabid supports who troll the comments section of FNP can use it as cover to "act" like he is doing something.

shiftless88

KR; it is HIS JOB.

C.D.Reid

No shiftless, it is NOT his job to stand there and take insults from rabble who won't let him speak. That's why he discontinued the annual 287(g) update meetings. Because of loud mouthed, trouble making, anarchists who don't give the man a chance to speak. I think he's done an admirable job putting up with their garbage, and shown far more patience than I ever could.

NewMarketParent

@neilyoungfan25

Jenkins is not an honest broker. He offers to sit down with everyone because he has absolutely no intent of changing or doing anything.

There is no point in meeting with him. Jenkins is a walking bad faith actor.

gabrielshorn2013

For example NMP?

MRS M

I will never understand why those supporters of Black Lives Matter and Blue Lives Matter cannot co-exist peaceably and understand one another's place....and maybe even join together to work towards a common goal. As the child of a policeman, who spent the entirety of his adult life patrolling the streets of a large northeastern city, I will always respect police, the extraordinary work they do, and the dangers they face. As a child, many a night I would lie awake and hope that my father made it home safely if I heard sirens in the distance. Fast forward many years, and we taught our children that same respect for those police- and firemen (and women) who truly do lay their lives on the line every single day when they leave their homes to start their shifts.

BUT, we are a caucasian family. We move through society without the badge of color, which, to many, is still seen, very sadly, as a possible "threat" or .....worse. And, I understand what I am seeing on film, and I am moved by it. I see the bodycam images. I listen to the testimony, read the papers, and see the unbridled anguish caused by instances of police brutality and policing violence run amok. There is nothing that will convince me otherwise, that in our country today, in some cases those who are non-caucasian are perceived differently, treated as if demonstrating a higher level of threat, and often "policed" with an overarching force that does irreparable, and ofter tragic harm, to individuals and their communities. And yeah, much of this ugliness and tragedy, perpetrated by a few police, is deeply rooted in those individuals' abject racism and hatred. So yes, I heartily support Black Lives Matter, and all peaceful efforts this movement brings to identifing police brutality where it lives; bringing it to the forefront of our lives, and working to put an end to it. And I will always support Blue Lives Matter in memory of my father, and in recognition of the majority of men and women policing today, who show good conscience and integrity every day on the job as they protect American communities....and all of us.

NewMarketParent

@MRS M

The problem is that the Blue Lives Matter platform and All Lives Matter aren't really supportive of that cause. They are specifically meant to be antithetical to the Blacks Lives Matter idea. That is why they always stand in opposition to Black Lives Matter. If they really cared, they would be walking the street with Black Lives Matter because, in theory, Black Lives are a subset of Blue Lives and All Lives. But, because the entire Blue Lives Matter and All Lives Matter are completely disingenuous in that they are specifically put together to counter Black Lives Matter.

Why didn't Blue Lives Matter and All Lives Matter exist before Black Lives Matter? If it was always so important, why didn't it come into being until after Black Lives Matter existed?

Retired and Bored

BTW In my opinion "Dueling Rallies" is a stupid title for this piece. It indicates fighting, bloodshed not peaceful protesting. 🖤💙🖤

Retired and Bored

I agree the protesters at the Law Enforcement Cenrer should have worn masks. However, if they were masked would the other side complained that they were hiding their identities? I am a staunch supporter of Law Enforcement but there are a "few bad apples" in every bunch".. And I am not going to get into a debate on here. Had the citizens who support Law Enforcement known about this rally I'm sure there would have been more than 100 who attended.

🖤💙🖤

hayduke2

Bottom line - those who voice support for " law and order" broke the law in a blatant manner. No masks, including our chief law enforcement model, Jenkins. Shameful.

C.D.Reid

Bottom line, there were a lot of people NOT wearing masks during all the black lives matter protest marches in Frederick and Urbana, breaking the law in a "blatant manner." And that was proven in the pictures published in the articles here in the paper. Where were your thoughts on that when those stories were published? I seemed to have missed them, hay. Is your argument going to be that the blm protesters weren't "voicing support for law and order" and, thus, did not need to wear them?

hayduke2

Keep trying CD. My point is that the Jenkins and those who claim to stand for law and order should be setting an example. Your whataboutism is growing old

neilyoungfan25

[thumbup][thumbup][thumbup]

awteam2000

Not true. “Most” as in the majority, were wearing mask in both protest. And at the time they weren’t mandate, Not until two days ago. You may want to take a another look at those FNP photos. But that’s irrelevant. The issue isn’t over COVID-19 but “Black Lives Matter.”

Wearing masks is a Trump cult problem not BLM.

C.D.Reid

My whataboutism is growing old, hay? Your sidestepping and deflecting from my questions is getting older and your reply here was an easy way out of answering them.

C.D.Reid

aw, you seem to forget that gatherings of over ten people were illegal during the blm marches. And, to the best of my knowledge, that restriction had not been lifted for the subsequent ones, either.

awteam2000

You’re not suggesting Trump supporters are more enlighten to practice social distancing and wearing mask more than BLM protesters. Herman Cain didn’t get the memo. He only listened to Sean Hannity on Fox news. In Tulsa, the crowd closely congregated, no masks, at the Trump kick off rally 😷. Cain definitely kicked it off.

KR999 wear your mask 😷. You can confound everyone by being smart. You know you can’t see the plague coming?.. Right? Your gun can’t defend you, it doesn’t have political Preferences but will take advantage of the elderly, weak and unfortunately “dumb.” I know, that you ain’t. Right?

NewMarketParent

The problem with the "few bad apples" argument is that in any group, those few bad apples face consequences for their actions. There are a "few bad apples" in the population. Typically, other people let those "few bad apples" experience the consequences of their actions by going to jail. In the "few bad apples" scenario with police, the police do not ensure that those "few bad apples" go to jail, get demoted or better get removed from the force. Instead, the "few bad apples" are protected by the rest of the apples. That ends up rotting the whole bunch.

KellyAlzan

Ok so some protesting took place over the weekend. No blood no broken bones. Decent weather here. Not so sure responding to every single comment in this story is necessary...

Retired and Bored

I agree especially the long winded, paragraph after paragraph replies. I said what I intended to say and left it at that and believe me I can get on a roll and up on my soapbox.🖤💙🖤

KellyAlzan

Same here. I try to keep it as quick as possible. Unless I’m setting certain commenters in their place. I personally do not read long replies, unless they’re from Mr. Natural, he’s usually level headed in what he writes.

gabrielshorn2013

sure you have Pb, sure you have, LOL. You lie about the FCSO and I reply with easily verifiable facts and links to those facts, and you launch into an infantile off topic tirade about age. Yeah, that's telling us. 🤣🤣🤣

bosco

"setting certain commenters in their place" .....yassuh, we all needs to know our place. Don't wan nobody gettin' uppity. No suh.

[lol][lol][lol][lol][ninja]

C.D.Reid

[thumbup][thumbup] bosco! [lol][lol][lol]

threecents

Can law enforcement and marchers on every side please distance and mask up?! Geeze. Didn't the governor put in a new executive order about that?

threecents

If anyone still doesn't appreciate the name BLM, then they are part of the problem and the reason people keep marching.

C.D.Reid

Quite a few people appreciate that Blue Lives Matter, as evidenced by this article, wouldn't you say?

Greg F

Being as Blue Line has been corrupted to be the new racist dog whistle, it appears there KR you’ve answered their call.

C.D.Reid

And "dog whistle" is the new 'turd catch phrase, how long is it going to be until you people wear it out? You already have a good start on doing just that.

threecents

Dude, That's what I am talking about. You are part of the problem if you make this a semantics argument, rather than address the point of the movement. I agree that police are underappreciated and deserve a lot more respect, but the key to that happening is if you and everyone else acknowledge the systemic problems addressed by BLM.

corgikid

Read the BLM Manifesto. If you agree with it, you are a marxist and a racist.

Greg F

That’s a true Fox decipal line there Corgie.

hayduke2

Out of curiousity, I looked up their goals. It can be found at https://blacklivesmatter.com/blms-whatmatters2020-goals-and-focus/ Sorry corgi but what is listed there doesn't make one a marxist or a racist. Your reaction, however, leans in that direction.

phydeaux994

Did you know that Corgis are Liberals?? Plus Conservatives don’t like dogs and cats as pets.

C.D.Reid

"Conservatives don’t like dogs and cats as pets?" What? Is that a fact, fido? Where the hell did you come up with that BS?

NewMarketParent

@corgikid

We can all make crappy generalizations.

If you support 45, you are a fascist and racist. See how that works?

girlpolitic

By the end of the event around 1 p.m., the protesters had crossed the street and started to kneel and chant in the vicinity of the We Back Blue event, which had several speakers who shared their message of supporting law enforcement.

Isabella Lowery, 17, who is an organizer with Urbana Black Lives Matter Protest Organization, said she felt there wasn’t much progress made.

“The ignorance that we've seen, the fact that Chuck Jenkins isn’t wearing a mask trying to tell us what to do... I don't know,” Lowery said. “There's been a lot of arguing, a lot of yelling, not a lot of productive conversation. And that's definitely frustrating. The people here do not want to listen.”

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marylandmirage

At a prior event, Sheriff Jenkins offered to speak with and discuss issues with the protest leaders. The protestors shouted him down and declined the offer. This, to me as an observant, indicates that they are not willing to talk about or resolve anything, just make a lot of noise.

C.D.Reid

That's exactly all it boils down to, marylandmirage. Well put! [thumbup]

public-redux

Were those the same people?

C.D.Reid

Whether they were or weren't, what does it matter? They all represent the same organization, don't they? They all show up somewhere or another shouting, screaming, and making a scene out of themselves.

Greg F

They who? The KKK? Yeah...they show up to cop rallies.

C.D.Reid

Greg F, if you can't follow the course of a conversation, why don't you just go off and have one with yourself? I'm sure you'd be very good at one.

public-redux

Do they all represent the same org? Is the Urbana org the same as the national? You’ve been following this more closely than me. Is it a monolithic movement where everyone thinks and behaves the same way?

C.D.Reid

Public, don't they all represent the same organization? I was under the impression they do.

Lemmy

They lack the intelligence and the facts to debate.

TomWheatley

I remember that photo. The Sheriff was standing by himself and a line of people were yelling in his face.

awteam2000

Yep, He wasn’t wearing a mask. And his physique looking as though in the high risk group, wouldn’t you say?

NewMarketParent

@marylandmirage

A lot of people realize when someone is acting in bad faith.

Jenkins has always done exactly that. Bad faith actors only attempt to wear you out by absorbing your time and miring you down in bureaucracy and essentially trying to wait you out. A lot of the protestors realize that he is only operating in bad faith.

awteam2000

I agree with MrSniper,

There’s clearly a problem when we couch racial societal differences as “Black Lives Matter” verses “We Back Blue”, policing.

It might be a good starting point though, to have protest and counter protest, addressing an obvious fragment of the problem. It brings out the arguments, and frustrations from both sides.

Views from where you stand: by one side it was said “the majority of instances of use of force are a result of people not knowing how to respect the police.” From the opposing side, respect isn’t given by police to whom they are suppose to protect. Both sides feel we need “society to reform”.

My question, does Jenkins have the wherewithal to understand both sides? Or even understand the issues go way beyond - “Police” verses “Black Lives Matter.” (only a symptom of greater problems.) Jenkins role is to act as the “overseer” of societal and institutional flaws.

And guys, where your mask 😷.

MrSniper

Whatever your political leanings are, it is a major problem that a sizable amount of the residents of this country & this county do not have faith in the police. We all seem to want the same things, a more perfect community. Part of that endeavor is ignoring the politicians & propaganda machines that use wedge issues to divide us for their gain. Talk to your neighbors. There is no reason for us to be at each other’s throats.

NewMarketParent

@MrSniper

Unless Faux News is eliminated, you are screaming into the void.

C.D.Reid

In a way I wished I'd known about this so I could have attended to show my support for our sheriff and the FCSO, but then I think that sitting back and watching Saturday westerns while planning our October trip to West Virginia to see the fall foliage and some Civil War sites was a better use of my time than getting into a shouting contest with a bunch of rabble rousing, idiotic, trouble making anarchists whose sole purpose is to impose themselves on others by destroying our country. BLUE LIVES MATTER!!!

threecents

If I ever want a daily dose of Uggg, I can go to CD locally on the FNP site or Trump nationally on Twitter. I wish there was a little less Uggg and a little more understanding and empathy.

C.D.Reid

And if I ever want a daily dose of No(n)Sense I need look no further than you, here.

Greg F

When we need a does of racist BS, there’s KR.

phydeaux994

Tell him again CD, “I AM NOT A RACIST” “I AM NOT A RACIST” “I AM NOT A RACIST”

C.D.Reid

“I AM NOT A RACIST” “I AM NOT A RACIST” “I AM NOT A RACIST” There, happy now fido? [lol][lol][lol]

C.D.Reid

Yeah, Greg F, and when we need a "does" of pure, unadulterated garbage there's always you. Now, just how far do you want to take this?

Nicki

[thumbup] Three!

DickD

Cd, if want to see some beautiful fall foliage go to the Adirondacks, a week or two earlier. I can tell you somgreat places to stay.

C.D.Reid

I appreciate the offer, Dick, but one of the reasons for W.V. is to see Civil War sites I've been wanting to visit for decades, including Phillippi, Rich Mountain, Droop Mountain, Carnifex Ferry, Laurel Hill, Cheat Mountain and Corricks Ford battlefields.

LeonardKeepers

i support sheriff Jenkins these people opposing law enforcement are nothing but a bunch of idiots if they were from out of state then they were a bunch of dummies that have nothing else better to do with their time even worse showing up with out wearing masks

awteam2000

If everything is Cool 😎 with Jenkins in Frederick why would you need outside organizations to come in and create division where there’s none?

C.D.Reid

Why would who need outside organizations to come in? How about asking the black lives matter people where all the supporters for their protest marches came from? They certainly did their share to create, and perpetuate, division here.

awteam2000

That’s fair if that’s true. Maybe I’m wrong but I thought all the “BLM” protest were locally organized. Basically by high school students and local social active groups. Correct me if I’m wrong... Weren’t you complaining about the local kids in Urbana and Frederick organizing protest? I do recall a women coming from Glen Bernie speaking about her personal loss at one of the protest. But she resides in Maryland. Where do you live?

Who were the folks came from out of state to organize?

jls1843

Um, I think you are confused. The people from out of town were the "We Back the Blue" organization. They are based in VA, and set these events up all over the country. Counter protest were locals.

PurplePickles

Facts are not KR999 friends as you can tell by his comments, you are probably just making his head spin with all your facts. Lol

C.D.Reid

Hey PurPic, try to pay attention and, be forewarned, you may have to think for a change; In the first place, jis1843's comment was directed to what LeonardKeepers posted at 10:48am, not anything that I wrote. So, I'll give you the same suggestion that I gave Greg F; if you can't follow the course of a conversation, you'd be best to just go off and have one all alone with yourself. That way you can make your own head spin. Got it?

PurplePickles

No my comment applies to every post you make KR, just to forewarn you....

C.D.Reid

Ok, PurPic, here's a challenge; whenever I post something that you believe is not factually correct, prove me wrong with facts, and links to those facts. Put up or shut up.

NewMarketParent

@jls1843

Yeah... astroturf at its finest, but you will never get anyone supportive of Jenkins to admit it.

NewMarketParent

@LeonardKeepers

Your posts have shown where you stand and if you could, please use entire sentences instead of phrases.

It makes it so much easier to read your drivel.

stjohn42

Why exactly is an out-of-state group holding a rally at a county police facility? Do they not have any local members to raise this issue?

C.D.Reid

It's right there in the article:

"Robey said she wants to change the narrative of police being agitators or corrupt. While she is from Virginia, she takes her efforts on the road to other states and cities because she wants to spread her message."

PurplePickles

Did you attend KR999, it appears it was a lively march?

PurplePickles

I wondered that myself stjohn, seems to me they came to town just to stir things up, which they did it seems from the story.

I also wonder did KR999/CD go to the rally to march for the boys in blue? He did mention in a comment the next time there was a rally he was going to go.

See I don't know if I was the BlackLivesMatter I would of had a counter protest or crossed the street and confronted the Blue protesters? You put yourself in harms way judging by the pictures and gave press to a movement that seems to only want to stir things up with the BLM movement. Not all publicity is good publicity. It's okay to ignore the ignorant.

C.D.Reid

So, PurPic, it "seems to [you] they came to town just to stir things up." And all those people in the black lives matter protests marches were local, huh? Yeah, right! [lol][lol][lol][lol][lol]

Lemmy

The data shows there is no systemic racism in policing. Stop yelling and screaming and start paying attention.

awteam2000

What data? No, quite the opposite. Lemmy you don’t know what systemic racism is. Just the act of one Blue matters protecter yelled at the anti-protesters to “get a job” , demonstrates systemic racist view of a black person.

C.D.Reid

Hey aw, you appear to have missed the line "Meanwhile, a man on the WBB side was called a slur." Wouldn't you say that demonstrates a systemic prejudiced view of someone? But, since a black lives matter person said it, I guess that's ok with you, huh?

Lemmy

See my posts below. If the words are too big, try sounding them out.

Greg F

What data, lemming? Blue is the new code word for racist white.

sdm817

You people think everything is a code word for racism. How about the word responsibility? Is that racist?

awteam2000

“You people”🤦‍♂️

bosco

Can you please share your list of code words and dog whistles?

awteam2000

Lost your list?

C.D.Reid

Yeah, aw, "You people," perfectly proper English. And I, too, would be interested in seeing the list of code words the anarchistic left uses.

Lemmy

You are a lightweight Greg. Learn

C.D.Reid

He's a feather weight snowflake, Lemmy.

Lemmy

Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences is a study released in 2019 and it concluded that white officers are no more likely than black or Hispanic officers to shoot black civilians. It is a racial group’s rate of violent crime that determines police shootings, not the race of the officer.

C.D.Reid

I agree Lemmy, 100%, but some people either just don't get it or simply refuse to acknowledge it.

Lemmy

The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. Those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/

Lemmy

In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/

Lemmy

A working paper by Harvard economist Roland Fryer. Fryer found that police officers in Houston were nearly 24 percent less likely to shoot blacks than whites (p. 50; he concluded that there was no evidence of racial discrimination in shootings there. In a data set comprising officer shootings from Dallas, Austin, Houston, Los Angeles and six Florida counties, he found that officers were 47 percent less likely to discharge their weapon without first being attacked if the suspect was black than if the suspect was white (p. 25), and that black and white victims of police shootings were equally likely to have been armed.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w22399

Lemmy

A study by the former acting director of the National Institute of Justice found that black officers in the New York Police Department were 3.3 times more likely than white officers to use their gun at shooting scenes. (Fryer also looked at differences in behavior between white and black officers and found that although white officers were not more likely to shoot unarmed blacks than unarmed whites, black officers were more likely to shoot unarmed whites than unarmed blacks, and more likely than white officers to shoot unarmed whites.)

http://amstat.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/2330443X.2015.1129918

NewMarketParent

@Lemmy

Gish-gallop much?

NewMarketParent

@sdm817

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

We know the dog whistles. You can try all you want to deny. People are tired of the BS and we see exactly what you are doing, so please stop as you will be held to task for using the dog whistles just the same as you spoke your honest mind.

NewMarketParent

@Greg F

I am just going to show how just one of @Lemmy's sources actually shows how FOS he is.

The article from the WaPo...

According to Wikipedia...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States

If Caucasians are 64.3%, then if 19 are were fatally shot by police, then let's create a population of 30 for a fair comparison as 19 is roughly 64% (actually 63.3%) of that population. If things are fair, in that same population since Blacks are 13.4% (same wikipedia article)... then if everything was equal (which it is not), you would expect 4 people to have been killed. Note... that the article which @Lemmy uses says 9 which is more than 2x what would be expected... Hence... Black Lives Matter

C.D.Reid

Having a little trouble accepting facts that prove your own drivel wrong, NMP? Maybe you should just concentrate on doing that job that you're sooooooo smart to be able to do remotely, huh? [lol]

Lemmy

NewMarketParent - statistics is a course you might want to pursue.

In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-43

NewMarketParent

@Lemmy

I actually have a dual degree in both Math and another science.

That sad part is that you are making my point for me and you don't even know it because you suck at Math.

If stats are representative, then that explicitly spells out that there is a problem systemically.

So... either the system is rigged... or the enforcement is rigged.

Unless, you don't actually believe that we were are created equal...

gabrielshorn2013

Interesting NMP. What is the other science degree for, what level, and from where?

C.D.Reid

Better listen to NMP Lemmy, he's soooooooo smart and he'll be the first, and only, one to tell you that. [thumbup]

Lemmy

@NMP - So the systems HAS to be rigged to yield the data it does? On what do you base your hypothesis ( in this case meaning your total BS)?

NewMarketParent

@gabrielshorn2013

It is in Mechanical Engineering from UMCP which was at the time, like 17th in the nation for Mech Eng.

gabrielshorn2013

Thanks NMP. Congrats, and impressive.

NewMarketParent

@gabrielshorn2013

Thank you. It shouldn't be. The fact that it is shows how much more we need to get from our public education system and specifically how we need to do better at science literacy and education.

gabrielshorn2013

Completely agree NMP. I have championed education ever since I saw how truly uplifting it can be. There are a couple of us here on this forum who started with nothing, and through education turned our lives around, and made a future for our kids. I went about as far as one could go in the educational system, taking advantage of every opportunity I could find.

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