Even before heading across Airport Drive East to the Frederick County Law Enforcement Center on Monday, a group of well over 100 protesters made their position clear.

“Sheriff [Chuck] Jenkins is a racist,” Kavonte Duckett told the crowd gathered in front of the Frederick Department of Public Works facility using a megaphone. “He knew we were coming. He put a barricade because he knew we were coming. He brought out cameras, he called news outlets, and now he has prepared a table that he wants me to sit at. I’ll be damned if I ever sit at a fake, makeshift table with Sheriff Chuck Jenkins.”

The Frederick News-Post was invited to attend the event through Facebook by Duckett, who was one of several leaders of the group that walked up to meet Jenkins outside the law enforcement center. Demonstrators carried Black Lives Matter signs and shouted chants denouncing the deaths of black people at the hands of police, including George Floyd, whose death in police custody in Minneapolis last month sparked nationwide protests.

Jenkins, standing alone before the crowd on the opposite side of a taped-off area in front of the law enforcement center, spent the next hour taking questions from Duckett, fellow protest leader Aje Hill and the crowd regarding everything from use of force statistics against black and minority residents to the sheriff’s office’s policies on de-escalation, training and other topics. While the sheriff mainly interacted with Duckett, Hill and a handful of others near the front of the crowd, loud chants and questions, insults and demands drowned out most of his answers.

Protesters Jenkins

More that 100 protesters gathered at the Frederick County Law Enforcement Center where County Sheriff Chuck Jenkins came out to talk with them.

“I was actually optimistic that going out there this evening, meeting the group, not hiding in the building and coming out when they demanded me to come out, but met them out front, met the entire crowd, and obviously everything went sideways,” Jenkins said afterwards. “I offered Mr. Duckett [and] Mr. Hill the opportunity to come in, let’s have the conversation along with the two pastors, [but] they weren’t interested in it. They were interested, I think, in escalating the crowd, the noise. As you could see I was pretty much unable to answer a question, given the crowd.”

The protesters, while clearly frustrated, remained peaceful in their approach while shouting down the sheriff. At times, they led calls for Jenkins to step down and for more to be done to stop what demonstrators view as unfair treatment by local and national police against minorities and peaceful protesters elsewhere across the country.

Many in the crowd voiced concerns they had over specific cases handled by the Frederick County Sheriff’s Office and other local law enforcement agencies that they found troublesome.

In particular, protesters demanded answers regarding the case of Abraham Arellano, a 26-year-old who was shot and killed by a sheriff’s deputy March 25, 2019 outside his home in Thurmont.

Jenkins further ignited the crowd’s ire by refusing to discuss specifics in such cases, despite the fact that Arellano’s mother was present to ask questions through an interpreter. Per the sheriff, however, the unwillingness to discuss the case was based on keeping the investigation secure, not in hiding any information.

Market Square protests

A crowd of protesters gather in the intersection of Market and Patrick Streets in downtown Frederick after marching through the streets for more than an hour Monday evening.

“Now, in fairness, some of the questions involved cases that are still in litigation that I couldn’t speak to, some of the questions involved current officers and talking about certain issues that I couldn’t speak to,” Jenkins said afterwards. “But the things that I could speak to I tried and I just couldn’t just get my voice over the crowd. They didn’t want to hear what I had to say. They weren’t interested in what I had to say.”

While anger and frustration was vented at Monday’s gathering, the protest may not have lived up to some of the hopes and aspirations expressed by several members of the crowd.

Derrick Washington, 50, of Frederick, said he himself has faced racism directly as a resident of Frederick County for the last several years. In spite of this, he attended Monday’s protests to ensure a better world for his children, who are 22, 17 and 6 years old.

Protesters Jenkins

Frederick County Sheriff Chuck Jenkins, right, talks with Kavonte Duckett and others with a group of protesters that gathered at the Frederick County Law Enforcement Center Monday night. Some of the group then marched for the seventh straight night downtown.

“Every time my oldest goes out, I fear. And I don’t want to have that same fear when my 16-year-old, when it’s time for him to go out,” Washington said. “I think that if things have to change now, they have to change.”

Neither Jenkins nor Duckett closed the door on future talks in spite of the confrontational nature of Monday’s face-to-face. There are obvious hurdles that stand between the sheriff’s office and many protesters, but the option for dialogue may remain open. Some in Monday’s crowd pledged their devotion to the peaceful approach to those who disagree, even if the disagreement seems too far a bridge to cross.

“I know these young people are young; they’re angry. But as a pastor I have an obligation to make sure that we do it the right way,” said Ronnie Henry, 58, a pastor at the Hope Christian Fellowship Church in Adamstown. “… My presence here is so that, hopefully they will align with some of the things that we’ve been teaching and preaching.”

After the discussion with Jenkins, the demonstrators returned to Square Corner downtown where protests had taken place for much of the last week.

Follow Jeremy Arias on Twitter: @Jarias_Prime.

Jeremy Arias is the Frederick city and government reporter for The Frederick News-Post.

(338) comments

jerseygrl42

a clueless crowd looking for trouble and Sheriff J is NO racist

Ron Paul

Check the video of this incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig6j9l4ffNI

Lev928

Argue all you want, but you'll NEVER be able to defend anti-Constitutional and criminal behavior with criminal behavior.

KellyAlzan

That’s what made Roxie a wealthy illegal immigrant. Trumpkins violates the constitution.

gabrielshorn2013

Thanks for the information plumbum. Could you tell us how much she got, or when the case was finally settled and closed? What part of the Constitution did the Sheriff himself violate?

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gabrielshorn2013

Hmmm...Kelly trolling...again.

KR999

You mean you understand her, gabe? I can't get passed her first line.

Ron Paul

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig6j9l4ffNI

jerseygrl42

Spot-On !

Lev928

All of the comments from anti-Sheriff Jenkins fanatics calling his physical appearance out should probably look in the mirror before hitting the ENTER key.

gorillagusto

THAT'S what you took away from all this?! Jeesh.

KR999

You think that's all he took away from all this, apeman? Jeesh.

gorillagusto

Oh, I think we know who's the knuckle-dragger around here, KR999. By the way, I see your comment was deleted where you claimed to "speak for all Caucasians" when you declared "White lives matter!" Personally, I thought the comment should have stayed: It's in everyone's best interests to know what kind of mind writes what you do. (Perhaps those who agree with you would like to reply to THIS comment so we have a convenient list of racists for future reference.)

prg45fan

Hey apeboy, seems as if your side believes that if you can't beat them call them racist. Are you saying that White Lives don't matter? Or, are you saying White lives just don't matter until white people kneel before the black folks if at all? Please expand on your assumption that KR doesn't believe that Black Lives matter as well as White Lives matter. Sounds like you are the racist at large on this board. Have a MAGA week pal. Look at your own knuckles for reference.

prg45fan

But I was talking to you.[beam]

gorillagusto

PRG...thanks for self-reporting. BTW, does KR999 know you're stealing his material? (You do it better, FWIW.)

prg45fan

aper, you used the tried and true tactic of the party of hate-Deflection. You are not The Greatest Fighter in the World. ALI. You ain't no Butterfly. You ain't no Bee. Neither are any of your "We'll dodge the question" pals. The D party's Time to Die has come! Enjoy the upcoming defeat. You need to accept it as well. Ya'll didn't do a very good job of that last time. Do. Better. Help your family and friends overcome that grief. I know you can do it Friend. [wink]

Lev928

Are the two local black male protesters going to defend this guy as well?

https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/crime_and_justice/police-frederick-man-strangled-woman-during-assault/article_f75684c0-e4c0-5d90-aaba-1b82ba621c2a.html

phydeaux994

There is nothing the protesters could say or do that would satisfy the RRR(RadicalRightRepublicans)/BTT(BullyTagTeam) who HATE Black People and those that support their cause of Racial Justice. The don't believe that Racism exists in America and that White people enjoy no special Privilege. The RRR(RadicalRightRepublicans) believe that Black people and other minorities are just too lazy to work for success and are just trying to get everything for FREE. They will NEVER believe anything different because they were taught that all their lives and will pass it down to the next generation. They are AFRAID of everything outside of their cloistered White World and will never learn to judge everyone as individuals instead of monolithic Racial groups out to Rape, Rob, and Murder them and that the White Liberal Democraps that support them should be run out of America with them. And as long as we have a POTUS DICTATOR that believes the same thing the United States of America will remain OUT OF CONTROL and in serious Danger.

Lev928

phydeaux994 ... DEFINE RACIAL JUSTICE. This has NOTHING to do with politics. This also has nothing to do with promoting nor supporting criminal behavior.

prg45fan

Phydoh, I copied and pasted a short history for you. I'm aware that some of the LLL (Liberal Leftist Loons) will find some of the sentences too long and you and your pals will have trouble comprehending or just flat out deny the facts that you are faced with on a daily basis. I'm just putting it out there for you and your special K ilk. MAGA 2020!

prg45fan

It’s common to say that the parties are very similar; it’s an easy way to avoid telling half of the country they’re wrong. But they’re not similar. The Republican Party was created in opposition to slavery. At that time, the Democrat Party underwent a change as the Democrats opposed to slavery changed parties and became Republicans, or joined other minor parties.

Republicans ultimately effected the abolition of slavery. The Democrats, both North and South, for their part, ensured that the abolition of slavery would cost 600,000 American lives. They disrupted the Reconstruction, created the KKK, and enacted the Jim Crow laws to try to enforce the old social order. This naturally followed out of Democrat leadership having created the Indian reservations and been responsible for the Trail of Tears. They made sure that the new Social Security benefits did not accrue to either household or agricultural workers, industries that employed the bulk of African Americans at the time. They interred the Japanese. As to the defining event of my generation, Democrat Presidents converted Eisenhower’s 900 advisors in Vietnam to, at the peak, 536,100 troops on the ground. A Republican brought them home. Democrats filibustered the Civil Rights Act, and generally continued to oppose the Voting Rights and Fair Housing Acts at a much higher percentage than Republicans. They were the old segregationists, and they are the new segregationists with their “safe spaces” for one race only. By and large all sanctioned acts of oppression in this country for the past 200 years can be laid at the feet of the Democrats. As can the disastrous welfare policies that encouraged the obliteration of the nuclear family among the urban poor. And the current terrorizing of business owners, commuters, and neighborhoods all over the country.

Kareem Johnson

Anyone who is posting negative comments about us African American people should show up to the next scheduled protest and stop hiding behind your computers/phones. Please tell all of your friends and family members that feel the same way as you to also show up. All of you are so bold on the internet so there is no need to have any fear or worries about showing up, correct? Keep that same energy when or if you even decide to show up!! Black Lives Matter! :)

xJacky1

The officer was arrested along with the other three. Justice is in process. From what I’ve read in these comments AA have not been disparaged, except for those who wasted the opportunity for dialogue with the sheriff only to insult and demean him. As far as showing up I have more constructive things to do. I wish you well.

KR999

With the history of intolerance and violence those "activists" have, I wouldn't show up without my weapon, that's for sure. White Lives Matter!

gorillagusto

I'm sure your weapon is very impressive, sir. Now pull up your pants, please. This is a Chick-fil-A.

DeplorableLocalVeteran

Racist make good cops until they don’t

Lev928

DeplorableLocalVeteran ... Your blatant anti-Constitution, law and order views are becoming more than tired on here. If you truly are a veteran, then you should be ashamed of yourself. Go be a productive member of society instead of hiding behind a keyboard on the Internet.

bosco

Don't let him bother you Lev, just scroll on by. Nobody pays much attention anyway.

[ninja]

DeplorableLocalVeteran

It’s not the sheriff that’s the problem it’s the lack of consequences for mentally deranged racists sanctioned by the state to administer lethal force on people they’ve been conditioned to hate most of their lives. No sheriff wants a racist force but they want a hollowed out force even less so they make do with the cards they’re dealt.

DeplorableLocalVeteran

Black store owner who called 911 to report that he was holding a shoplifter at gunpoint was punched and had his jaw broken by white cop who mistook him for the the robbery suspect.

DeplorableLocalVeteran

Black firefighter, 23, says he was racially profiled by cops who turned their guns on him while he was in UNIFORM outside his own fire station amid protests in Rhode Island

Obadiah Plainsmen

Back in 2009 President Obama and VP Biden hosted a beer summit for white police officer James Crowley and Dr. 'Skip Gates in an effort to end racial dispute. Maybe County Executive Jan Gardiner and Mayor O'Connor should offer the same for Sheriff Jenkins & Kavonte Duckett.

DickD

The Sheriff did meet with the crowd. There is no way the Sheriff could or would negotiate with a crowd. I am not defending any past actions of the Sheriff. It is just if a group of people have a problem with the Sheriff they should appoint or elect one or two of their group to meet with him. Tell him what you want and be reasonable. If that fails get out and vote in 2022.

gorillagusto

I'm sure no one expected results directly from the protest. The point is to make the public aware. THAT'S what gets the ball rolling.

JohnRambo

FCSO refuses to use body cams. That speaks volumes! Can’t hide forever, FCSO!!!

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DickD

I used to say that, but it really misses the point

KR999

I just watched the video and have to admit, I have never in my life seen more disgusting behavior displayed by anyone. Those people weren't interested in any kind of dialog with Sheriff Jenkins, their only agenda was to make total @$$holes out of themselves and, to that degree, they succeeded overwhelmingly. The Sheriff has far more patience then I ever could, and, for that, I give him my compliments. Keep up the good work, Chuck!

awteam2000

But lay-off the donuts.

KellyAlzan

1) I remember when the FCSO once held a national all accreditation.

2) I remember when the FCSO had a citizen advisory board.

KellyAlzan

The word “all” is not supposed to be in item number 1.

gorillagusto

Curious, but I think I can guess the answer: When did these things go away?

gabrielshorn2013

They didn't GG. Please see below.

KellyAlzan

I remember like it was yesterday in the 1990’s how hard Tully, Eyler, Hagy, and other admin and staff worked so hard to obtain the accreditation.

gabrielshorn2013

They still have the national accreditations plumbum. Three of them actually. From the website:

https://www.frederickcosheriff.com/accreditations

The Frederick County Sheriff's Office is a recipient of the Triple Crown Award. The Triple Crown Award is presented by the National Sheriff’s Association to Sheriff's Offices who achieve simultaneous accreditation from the Commission on Accreditation of the American Correctional Association, The Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement (CALEA) and the National Commission on Correctional Health Care (NCCHC).

The Frederick County Sheriff’s Office received this award in 1998. We are the only Triple Crown Award winner in the state of Maryland and one of only 32 sheriff’s agencies in the United States to have achieved the Triple Crown Award.

The Frederick County Sheriff's Office had been continuously accredited by CALEA since 1998.

For more information, please see:

https://www.frederickcosheriff.com/

gorillagusto

And as we all know, the '83 O's won the pennant! My point: 1998 was a loooong time ago. And Jenkins was elected in 2006. So what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Dig a bit deeper: Only 1,800 departments of 18,000 departments nationwide are accredited by CALEA. So it's not a standard...unless you think 90% of PDs are not up to that standard. And without knowing CALEA's approval rate, it's not a gold star. I'm not sure what your point is.

gabrielshorn2013

Irrelevant point GG. Yes, they received the Triple Crown Award in 1998 for achieving all three accreditations at that time. However, they have maintained those same accreditations since that time. Quite an achievement. Have the O’s maintained the same level of play since their ‘83 pennant win? Oh God no. Regarding your point about CALEA. How many reverse gears do you have on that bike with all the back-pedaling you’re doing? The claim was that THE FCSO was not accredited. I provided verifiable confirmation that they in fact are, with three accrediting bodies. Now, it’s not the “right” accreditation. OK, how many other law enforcement certifying agencies are there? Please provide a comparison between CALEA and the others. For an example, in diving there are two accrediting bodies PADI or NAUI (look them up). Is one better than the other? No, not really. There are many educational accrediting agencies for schools, colleges, universities, etc. Is one better than the other? No again. There are many ISO certifying bodies, is any one of those better than the other? No again. You get my point? So, since Jenkins was elected in 2006, should he have not maintained the same certifications that the department earned previously, for which they won an achievement award?

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gorillagusto

You do not. And you are embarrassing yourself.

MD1756

“Sheriff [Chuck] Jenkins is a racist,” Kavonte Duckett told the crowd gathered in front of the Frederick Department of Public Works facility using a megaphone. “He knew we were coming. He put a barricade because he knew we were coming. He brought out cameras, he called news outlets, and now he has prepared a table that he wants me to sit at. I’ll be damned if I ever sit at a fake, makeshift table with Sheriff Chuck Jenkins.”

"The Frederick News-Post was invited to attend the event through Facebook by Duckett, who was one of several leaders of the group that walked up to meet Jenkins outside the law enforcement center."

Looks like Duckett has a credibility issue.

bosco

It would appear he was never interested in a conversation but a confrontation. Not a dialogue, but a diatribe. Not a solution, but a devolution. Turn off the cameras and he'll run out of steam. [ninja]

KR999

Duckett has no credibility. Only a mob mentality.

bosco

Want to really make a difference? Tomorrow, when you encounter someone of a different race, smile, offer a greeting, and ask them how they are doing. A smile goes a long way. [beam][beam]

DickD

Great comment, Bosco.

bosco

Thanks, DickD, my grandmother taught me lots about how to treat others. A smile and a hello has started some great conversations in my life. I've gotten to know some interesting people from priests to outlaw bikers and one common thread is our humanity. [ninja]

gabrielshorn2013

Agreed bosco! [thumbup] A look in the eye with a smile and "how ya doin'!" sets the tone for the interaction every time, regardless of color or ethnicity. Try it and see.[thumbup]

bosco

It's worked for me in just about every country I've traveled to - and I don't speak nothin' but southern. It will sometimes make someone with Grouchy Resting Face smile back. Peace.

gabrielshorn2013

Absolutely agreed bosco. Smiling and saying hi disarms most irritable and grouchy people. I reread my comment and I hope you didn't take it as suggesting smiling to you. It was for others. They'd be amazed at what a little kindness can achieve. We have a lot of common experiences.

KellyAlzan

So the sheriff gets a protest march. But notice FPD didn’t. That speaks volumes.

gabrielshorn2013

How so plumbum?

Ron Paul

ATTENTION!

I FOUND THE FULL VIDEO! See Link!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ig6j9l4ffNI

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MFGA

I guess you're allowed to face off with officers with a stick in your hand because you tore off your sign in preparation for that "peaceful discussion" you were going to have with those officers, while you're on supervised probation for nine traffic violations. I guess as long as you're walking and not driving it is ok. The kind of youth that you want to follow for any reason. Remember when his campaign offered rides to the polls...better check who is driving you to the polls next time and if they have a drivers license, registration and insurance and can pass a field sobriety test. Generally speaking, when you already have a certain group supporting your cause, your goal is to influence the others who are not supporting your cause to join your cause...not alienate them further from doing so...Maybe he should listen to his pastor, who came along to babysit the youngsters, seems like he's more of a man to follow if you need someone to follow...or better yet...follow the man his pastor follows, if you want the best man for the job.

KellyAlzan

We have to ask ourselves if Trumpkins didn’t so proudly participate in 287, would he be in this ugly position he’s in now??

gabrielshorn2013

You're trying again after getting deleted? My, you are persistent, yet nonetheless wrong.

You do understand that the 287g program only takes effect after a person is arrested and brought to the county detention center, don't you? You also understand that every person arrested, regardless of reason, is subjected to a background check, right? If in that background check, an outstanding warrant is found, the FCSO calls the jurisdiction issuing the warrant, informing them that they have taken their subject into custody. The other jurisdictions then come and pick up their fugitive. That's exactly how the 287g program works Pb, but in the case of illegal aliens who have committed a crime which caused their arrest, the other jurisdiction is the Federal Government. If you either went to the last ICE/FCSO meeting, watched the five-part video on YouTube, or bothered to read the literature, you would also understand that is exactly what was explained by both the FCSO and the ICE administrator. The FCSO stopped participating in the 287g program that you refer to, ad nauseum, over a decade ago.

Ron Paul

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ig6j9l4ffNI

KellyAlzan

My post merely mentions Trumpkins involvement in 287.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

I’m sorry that my intelligence disturbs you. I’m sorry that my point of view disturbs you. It’s obvious that you have a deep bother of me. Remember - those who anger you control you.

gabrielshorn2013

No plumbum. Tell the truth. What is it about the 287g program that you disagree with? I have no "deep bother of you", and you don't anger me. You lie, I reply. Fair enough?

KR999

Great comeback, gabe! But don't expect anything more from Plumbum other then "You missed my point, read my comment again."

prg45fan

It's Jenkins. Nothing more. Nothing less.

prg45fan

The name change proves beyond any reasonable doubt that you are an immature child. Do you cry yourself to sleep at night repeating: trumpkins, trumpkins trumpkins. Is that like counting sheep for you? Inquiring minds want to know. MAGA 2020!

buckster

What ugly position would that be?

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clee03

If this isnt Mr Chuck himself...this is false representation...if this is indeed him...well...then why didnt you say these things on the spot?

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gorillagusto

I sincerely hope this isn't the real person. Otherwise, we elected someone with a fifth grade education.

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awteam2000

Please tell me this isn’t Sheriff Chuck Jenkins.

dirtorsoil

Jenkins needs to go. No change will happen until the good old boy establishment is gone. Out with the old, in the with new. I am sure there are many qualified candidates that are *gasp* minorities or *double gasp* women. The police force should reflect the demographics of the population. Frederick has come a long way from Fredneck, its time to reflect that.

MFGA

Why should anything reflect the demographics of anything...how about it should reflect the demographics of the most qualified individuals who are sensitive to all...your plan keeps everyone in separate groups that are only able to administer to their own kind...don't see how that moves things forward...just a different brand of racism...equality through inequality.

prg45fan

MFGA, It sounds as if you are speaking of self-segregation. That is an interesting topic. Have you seen what some tax-payer money has been used for in some Institutions of Higher Learning in the United States?

KR999

dirtorsoil, you need to go. Back to Montgomery County.

KellyAlzan

Trumpkins for prison!

gabrielshorn2013

On what charges plumbum?

prg45fan

Kelly for pooper scooper!

KR999

She's not only intelligent enough to be a pooper scooper, or qualified either.

gorillagusto

...he said in a series of nearly unintelligible statements.

prg45fan

Okay, do you think she'd enjoy being "road kill scooper" for the entirety of Fred. Co. only being allowed to use the paws she had when hatched?

gorillagusto

I feel your pain: Comedy is hard! Here's a tip: Don't double-down when something isn't working. Another: Know your audience. It's doubtful many elementary students are reading this.

jgrose79

Kevante and his crew make me embarrassed to be an activist. This is not how activism is supposed to work. You make your claims, you make your statements and questions, you allow the person to continue to respond without stepping all over them. You allow them the same privilege to speak that you were just afforded. This is how a dialogue occurs. This was a complete embarrassment. Nothing more than a bunch of spoiled children who aren't ready to be activists. They are more prepared to riot and act like fools which they have already proven themselves to be when many of these same people took it to the highways. I'm sick and tired of seeing crybabies coddled. They are embarrassing those of us who would normally stand with them on issues of police brutality. Especially when they arch with leftist clowns like Delegate Ken Kerr who claims red flag laws do not harm people with police brutality. Tell that to Duncan Lemp and Gary Willis who were murdered in Maryland thanks to Democrats.

Ron Paul

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ig6j9l4ffNI

awteam2000

Where are these rules of activism? You mean the free expression of speech in the First amendment ? Jgrose79 , I can say your comment is simply, to be polite, is wrong. Why? Article 10 to protects your right to hold your own opinions and to express them freely without government interference. This includes the right to express your views aloud.

Yes, there have been protest in Frederick over the last 5 days, the largest one being on Friday, 8,000 protesters. Harsh words expressed, there was crying, extensions of love to strangers, times of joy, and chants of “Black Lives Matter”, there were even slight delays in traffic, but there was no rioting, no looting, no arrest and no physical harm. Businesses who chose to stayed open, had no problems. Sorry you are embarrassed but “this is how activism and protest works.

A few young college and high school local folks pulled off a very overwhelmingly successful demonstration gathering all segments of greater Frederick County Yesterday, the protest was led by a young activist expressing his outrage towards the Sheriff , his office and his enforcement. It’s all by the rules.

On the other hand, the Frederick City Police Department, the protesters and the overall community should be commended for how well Friday’s activism went.

You may want to reflect on your comment. In what’s wrong with your opinion. Should your opinion be protected 🤔? Or is there some other wrong in peaceful expression that violate “the rules of activism”?

Yot1988

Shutting down parts of 70 is not by the rules. Not going to gain any “allies” doing that.

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buckster

Yessir, an awesome law and order image! MAGA! MFGA!

shiftless88

Not sure my first comment showed. Up. Have y'all seen this video with Jenkins? What the heck is he even speaking about DC for? https://www.foxnews.com/media/maryland-sheriff-hits-dc-mayor-bowser-on-national-guard-eviction

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gabrielshorn2013

Off topic, but what the heck. So, you have a problem with the 287g program plumbum? You do understand that the 287g program only takes effect after a person is arrested and brought to the county detention center, don't you? You also understand that every person arrested, regardless of reason, is subjected to a background check, right? If in that background check, an outstanding warrant is found, the FCSO calls the jurisdiction issuing the warrant, informing them that they have taken their subject into custody. The other jurisdictions then come and pick up their fugitive. That's exactly how the 287g program works Pb, but in the case of illegal aliens who have committed a crime which caused their arrest, the other jurisdiction is the Federal Government. If you either went to the last ICE/FCSO meeting, watched the five-part video on YouTube, or bothered to read the literature, that is exactly what was explained by both the FCSO and the ICE administrator. The FCSO stopped participating in the 287g program that you refer to, ad nauseum, was discontinued over ten years ago. Join us in the present day, won't you?

shiftless88

Y'all saw this, correct? https://www.foxnews.com/media/maryland-sheriff-hits-dc-mayor-bowser-on-national-guard-eviction

KellyAlzan

Omg thanks for bringing this to my attention!!!

KellyAlzan

This is no time to be aligning ones-self with trump. He’s soon to be a one term dude.

Like that guy from Wershington County, Neil parrot. I see he’s aligning himself with trump on his campaign signs. Sure way to lose. Ask Billie shreeves.

Bella29

I am in full agreement with your statement! At this point in time, if anyone aligns themselves to TRUMP, they’re speaking loudly against Equality in every aspect!

xJacky1

Ok, how? This president had done more for the African American community than any US President before him, except Lincoln of course. Yes that includes the exalted one himself.

prg45fan

We know bella, Orange. Man. Bad. It's been the same old refrain since before he was sworn in. MAGA2020!

KellyAlzan

Trumpkins speaks as if the mayor of dc didn’t consult with any law enforcement first! LOL. Mayor of the nations capital. With a police chief with more credentials than Trumpkins ever knew existed.

Again thanks for sharing! That what these comments are for. You rock!

gorillagusto

I for one am glad we have a hacky politician in charge instead of a credentialled professional found after a national search! Thank goodness our system is totes normal and keeps law enforcement the boring, scandal-free activity it is.

KellyAlzan

Roxie Santos conquers whole heartedly with you, gorilla

KR999

"conquers" Plumbum? [lol][lol][lol][lol][lol]

gorillagusto

I knew what she meant, but I assumed she was writing in code so idiots would pick up on the wrong thing.

KR999

And you know what they say about assume, apeman. It makes an @$$ out if you, not me.

gorillagusto

Huh. You're assuming I was talking about you. Well, if the shoe fits, I guess...

RPK21774

May 31, 2020 18 killed in Chicago. No protests, no calls for justice. I don't think this paper even covered it (it does not fit the narrative). Don't these lives matter, or is it because the police were not involved?

shiftless88

You just do not get it. You are like that person sitting at a table in France where everyone is speaking French and complaining because you don't speak French and can't understand the question and trying to focus the discussion on you. You should just stop embarrassing yourself and listen for a while.

xJacky1

He gets it! He understands that this has nothing to do with George Floyd’s tragic death, but unabashed power grab the left and their willing accomplices in the press are perpetrating on America. It is to bad that you to blind to see it.

jsklinelga

xjacky

I saw the long list of comments. This is as far as I got. Ridiculous as always. You are right about shiftless. And the absurdity id Kelly alcan. To quote Forest, stupid is as stupid does. Sorry for being so negative but these folks are.....

CheetoBenito

Oh no! Jacky is on to us!! Initiate Plan B, Initiate Plan B!!!!!!

shiftless88

jsk; are you telling me that because I did not march because of one death then it makes me ineligible to march because of another? You know what a straw man is? Will you ever answer a straightforward question or just deflect?

shiftless88

If I had time it would be interesting to go back and see how many simple, straightforward questions I have asked jsklinelga where he has never responded. Because, I am pretty sure, answering them would make his position untenable.

shiftless88

xJ; you and RPK seem to think that these protests are about a single event. You seem to be unaware that this is yet one in a long, long, long string of events.

viperch25

@shiftless88 no you dont get it

prg45fan

That was a bunch of nonsense shifty. Word salad and nothing more. [thumbdown]

Joey Pesto

No matter which side you are on you have to give Sheriff Jenkins credit for going out and trying to answer questions of leaders with an angry mob behind them. Hopefully sooner than later the protest leaders, and other prominent leaders in the black community, can meet quickly and quietly to resolve the issues at hand. Remember those who solve the problem first succeed. It would make this great city and county even better.

Lemmy

Great point. To call Jenkins a racist when he's never met him is a big part of the problem.

bosco

Another example of prejudging - he's white so he must be a racist. We'll never make any progress if that's the attitude.[ninja]

Ron Paul

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ig6j9l4ffNI

Nancy Day

His reputation was earned long before today, lem.

KellyAlzan

Truth

KellyAlzan

How do you know who has and who has not met Trumpkins? The county is not very big.

shiftless88

I think it speaks volumes that he had them come to him, instead of him attending protests over the weekend. Why has it taken him this long?

KellyAlzan

He’s been too busy consulting DC’s mayor

xJacky1

As an elected official, I would not expect Sheriff Jenkins to bow down to or take a knee in support of BLM or any other group. The sheriff defends and protects all the people of Frederick County not a small portion of it. He can attempt to communicate with the protestors, which he did, but not to cabe to them or their demands. The law is the law and I personally grateful to have the Sheriff Jenkins on the job instead of failure Bickel.

KR999

[thumbup][thumbup][thumbup][thumbup][thumbup] xJacky1!

awteam2000

Chuck is old school racist. But he’s not the first one blacks have ever met or worked out differences with. His biggest issue is the county is out growing him and he’s not up to the changes and demands of a more diverse, less docile citizenship. Push back by the community is stressing him out.

xJacky1

Aw-fully deranged in you thought process.

prg45fan

Hey aw, That's really good insight. I think you should apply for the job of community Organizer. That way you too can become POTUS. Seems that if Obama was POTUS for two terms he should have been able to resolve a lot of issues in his (alleged) home State. He should have addressed the "systemic" racism there first to prove he was the person for the job of unifier. Wait... He actually created MORE racism with his incendiary comments towards white people AND LEO's throughout his FAILED Presidency.

buckster

Just a shame, willing to meet with them face to face, offers a civil setting for discussion, then is shouted down so that he can't communicate with them. That's on the protesters, hope he never gives them the time of day in the future.

Ron Paul

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ig6j9l4ffNI

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hayduke2

Noticed that he may have a weight problem like many of us. Given the stress of the position he has, he may want to consider some moderate exercise and diet modifications.

sevenstones1000

There is a difference between a fun unity parade - which took place in Frederick over the weekend - and an actual protest march. This is what a protest march looks like. White people don’t get to dictate the terms. They get to be silent and listen. Now was the time for Sheriff Jenkins to keep his mouth closed and listen.

This is what democracy looks like.

gabrielshorn2013

Seven, the stated purpose of the march was to get answers from the Sheriff. How could he stay silent and not answer questions? If, as you say, he should "keep his mouth closed and listen", goal achieved, because nobody heard his responses. The Sheriff tried, in good faith, to meet the protesters and their leadership on the grounds that they themselves had established earlier. The Sheriff kept up his end of the deal, not so much for Kavonte Harris.

Lemmy

Your comments make white people care less.

TINAE

Lemmy, some already care less. Those are the ones who really don't give a hoot about racism.

matts853

I disagree. They requested the sheriff be available for a dialogue / Q&A which he obliged. That’s not a protest. They had his attention, but blew the opportunity. I understand passions are high, but if Mr. Duckett wants to lead the community in a positive way and work with the sheriff, then he needs to really tone it down when he wants to engage with him directly. If he and others just want to vent that’s perfectly fine, just don’t ask or expect the sheriff to stand there and take it.

sevenstones1000

And the police officer was screaming at George Floyd to get up WHILE HE HAD HIS KNEE ON FLOYD’S NECK.

If the stated purpose was to get Floyd on his feet, why did the officer HAVE HIS KNEE ON FLOYD’S NECK?

Once again, different rules for white people. There ya go.

xJacky1

That horse has been flogged enough, dialogue by definition is at a minimum two-way. I guess that has been lost on you.

gabrielshorn2013

Oh come on...Does Sheriff Jenkins work for the Minneapolis PD? No. The protesters in Frederick County explicitly requested to have a dialogue with the Sheriff. They even arranged for press coverage, despite Kavonte Harris' denial (confirmed by the FNP) The Sheriff upheld all of his part of the bargain, under the terms that Mr. Harris established. Maybe next time Mr. Harris will accept the outstretched hand and talk about the issue with the FCSO.

buckster

I thought they wanted answers? No, democracy is the free exchange of ideas, freedom of speech for both sides.

xJacky1

The protestors were not interested in dialog because they had already declared all whites to be racists. They racists too.

KR999

EXACTLY xJacky!!! [thumbup][thumbup][thumbup][thumbup][thumbup][thumbup][thumbup]

Dwasserba

"Neither Jenkins nor Duckett closed the door on future talks in spite of the confrontational nature of Monday’s face-to-face." About the best result that could be expected, considering. Analyze what happened here. If the goals were confrontation and publicity, goals achieved. What are the next goals?

prg45fan

Anarchy within democrat held metropolitan centers? Oh...wait.

gorillagusto

How's this: The solution is to make law enforcement as apolitical, reasonable, and transparent as possible. Limit the sheriff's role to operating the detention center...as in most other counties. Establish a county police force lead by a professional, career LEO approved by the council and overseen by a citizens review panel. Law enforcement in this county has been corrupted by politics, and misdeeds are hidden by a curtain of "pending court cases." That's got to end, and our county government can actually make it happen.

xJacky1

Doesn’t work because they are under control of the county executive who will decide how the laws are applied. In this case, status quo is the best option.

gorillagusto

Almost every big county does it that way, and it's how we currently pick our fire chief! Besides, no one but a judge should be deciding how laws are applied. The status quo is broken; time for something new and better.

xJacky1

Nope, case in point Montco to our south. County Executive told county police not to talk to ICE. Ask the young girls who where victimized by those who were not removed from our society. Our Sheriff protects us by cooperating with ICE. I vote for status quo as it relates to the sheriffs department in Frederick County.

gorillagusto

xJ, I'm glad you're so motivated by human trafficking. Why, I can totally see why a hack politician with zero background or training in trafficking would be a better choice than someone who's attended John Jay, or had FBI experience, or has done anything, really. Jenkins really *is* protecting us...from competent leadership![thumbup]

xJacky1

GG, if you are referencing Bickel he is a boot lick for the party. He has tried four times and failed. The county didn’t want him or his politics. Besides you can be edumacated and still be as dumb a bag of Bickel’s former hair as he is.

gorillagusto

Oh, xJ. You're making my point. Law enforcement should be apolitical. Otherwise, folks like yourself tend to focus on personalities instead of ability.

gabrielshorn2013

Sorry GG, nobody talks in any detail about pending cases, or those still in litigation. No lawyer would ever allow that.

gorillagusto

Thanks for agreeing with me, GH! It really IS impossible for the public to make an informed decision about what their sheriff's department is doing! Why, it's almost as though...we shouldn't be an electing law enforcement official.[thumbup]

gabrielshorn2013

Again with the broad brush GG. There are a minority of ongoing cases that the Sheriff cannot discuss until they are resolved. To make a case that the FCSO is untrustworthy because of those incidences is disingenuous. There are plenty of other issues and resolved cases that may be openly discussed, but you know that. Try again.

gorillagusto

GH, I'm sure you're aware that it takes years...sometimes a decade...for cases to be resolved. (Ask Ms. Santos.) And voters often forget things during a four-year term...or multiple terms. (I recently saw some commenters arguing over Ethan Saylor's first name.) But you're ignoring everything else I said about an apolitical, accountable, transparent police department, which I interpret as implicit agreement. Welcome aboard![thumbup]

gabrielshorn2013

Your additional conditions were not listed nor apparent in your previous post GG. How do you propose that the Sheriff's Office be "apolitical"? Appointed by the CE? Nope, that's a political appointment. The heads of other departments serve at the pleasure of the CE, or Mayor, and may be terminated at will, regardless of job performance. Ask Mr. Spurrier how that worked out (I'm a supporter). Accountable? Transparent? Do you believe that the Sheriff's Office is not transparent? Can you give examples, other than what I said above that an attorney would never allow? Have you talked How would changing the structure of the FCSO give additional accountability or transparency? What you have said is "Mom, apple pie, and Chevrolet", so yeah I agree that those critical attributes. Who wouldn't agree to those? As a libertarian, I've been aboard the accountable-transparent train for all government agencies, regardless of size or affiliation, for decades. Welcome aboard!

gorillagusto

The fire chief is appointed. So is the chief of the state police. FBI director as well. A smart guy like you knew that, right? And the council approved our fire chief unanimously. Somehow this apolitical pick from Gardner didn't result in a county in flames, and by most accounts, he's doing a pretty good job. Get over your personal bugaboos about what's "libertarian," and you'll see I'm talking sense. Some jobs are not meant to be elected...fire chiefs and police chiefs are two examples. Transparency results from civil involvement...hence my suggestion of a citizens review panel. When bad cops do bad things, it would behoove an appointed chief to make corrections quickly. Instead, we have a situation where things are routinely swept under the rug until the next election.. or two! Circling the wagons is what keeps bad cops in place. Look, I'm not going to say Jenkins is a racist, but he does some questionable things because he's a politician who needs a handful of highly opinionated people to get him over 50% at the polls. The system is broken. A county police force would do a lot to fix it. Again, appointed positions in public safety are the rule. Sheriff is the exception...for purely historical reasons, I might add.

gabrielshorn2013

Bugaboos GG? Definition: an object of fear or alarm I am not afraid of transparent, and accountable government. It is something I have worked towards for decades. Don’t know why you call that “a bugaboo” when we agree on those things, unless you don’t understand Libertarianism. I agree, the Fire Chief is a hired position, and I would have no problem if the Sheriff were too. Neither conflagration or riot would be the end result. However, 98% of all Sheriffs in the US are elected (1), so you are not correct there. Agreed about the bad cops. Ever seen what happens when you try to fire a bad cop? How many are actually dismissed? Not many. CBS had a special on last night regarding the same topic, maybe you caught it? The union makes it nearly impossible to do. So how would changing to an appointed Sheriff make a difference? You would still need to deal with the FOP.

Ref: (1) https://www.sheriffs.org/about-nsa/history/roots#:~:text=In%20the%20United%20States%20today,and%20was%20granted%20much%20power.

gorillagusto

GH, sheriffs are elected, but not every sheriff runs his county's policing. In MD's larger counties, they run the detention centers and serve as officers of the court. That's it.

As it stands, our elected sheriff is perfectly aligned with his union-protected deputies and the local GOP. It's now in everyone's interest to hide and obfuscate wrong-doing. To be clear: That's a systematic problem, not a Jenkins-specific problem. I see no solution but to break law enforcement from politics as much as possible.

By the way, I think I have a pretty good understanding of libertarianism and conservativism. I started watching WFB on Firing Line in middle school. I used to listen to Limbaugh on my summer afternoons. I started volunteered with my county's GOP after I learned to drive. I had a subscription to National Review through college, but I started reading Reason in grad school. But at some point, I began detecting more and more incoherent nonsense and saw alignment with the new breed of Birchers that culminated in Trump. I am now unaffiliated and heterodox in my views...as many thinking people now are. So yes, I personally know it takes a bit of bravery to counter bugaboos, but it's well worth it.

I suggest you give this a read. It's written by someone who's far better informed than either you or me...

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/26/opinion/sheriff-north-carolina-hitman.html

gabrielshorn2013

You’re still using the word bugaboos after I gave you the definition GG. I’m not sure you know what it means. I am not afraid of transparent and accountable government, are you? My “bugaboos” were shed decades ago. You still seem to not understand Libertarianism. You suffer the same misunderstandings as others on the far left… or far right for that matter. Dems think we are Reps, and Reps think we’re Dems. Neither is true of course. Limbaugh has nothing to do with Libertarians, and certainly not Trump. Don’t know where you’re getting that from. Try looking at the Libertarian Party website (https://www.lp.org/) and read what the party says, not what others say about the party. I’ll just bet that if you looked at the platform (https://www.lp.org/platform/) you would agree with most of it. Is being free to think and do what you want, as long as you are not hurting anybody or anything a problem for you? Read it and let me know which points you disagree with.

As far as your comments about the Sheriff’s Office, you do realize that Frederick is the largest county in MD, correct? If you mean the more urban counties have reduced the Sheriff’s duties, OK, but we are not them. In the other jurisdictions in the National Sheriff’s Association (https://www.sheriffs.org/), those jurisdictions operate the same as ours does. If you drove outside of Frederick City, you would know that we are not an urban county at all. FredCo is still rural. Those urban and some suburban areas have their own police forces, with jurisdiction over those areas. The advantage of an elected Sheriff is to give the whole population of a county a say in how the laws will be enforced, via the ballot box. An appointee serves at-will, at the pleasure of the County Executive or the Mayor. You still have not addressed how changing to an appointed Sheriff would get rid of bad cops, despite a couple of requests for why you think that would be the case. Isn’t that why you want such an appointee? How would an appointee deal with the Policeman’s Union? The FOP is a powerful union that protects all cops, good or bad. I grew up outside NYC and saw what the corrupt NYC Policeman’s Benevolent Association (similar to our FOP here in MD) did to policing in that city. Corruption and bad cops were rampant there, and they could not get rid of them because of the powerful union. Is that your model for Frederick County? No thanks. BTW, you will also note that our Sheriff’s Office is accredited by three accrediting agencies,. From their website:

The Frederick County Sheriff's Office is a recipient of the Triple Crown Award. The Triple Crown Award is presented by the National Sheriff’s Association to Sheriff's Offices who achieve simultaneous accreditation from the Commission on Accreditation of the American Correctional Association, The Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement (CALEA) and the National Commission on Correctional Health Care (NCCHC).

The Frederick County Sheriff’s Office received this award in 1998. We are the only Triple Crown Award winner in the state of Maryland and one of only 32 sheriff’s agencies in the United States to have achieved the Triple Crown Award.

The Frederick County Sheriff's Office had been continuously accredited by CALEA since 1998.

BTW, it's GS.

gorillagusto

I beg your pardon, GS. "Big government" is the thing libertarians (and pre-Trump conservatives) fear most. That qualifies as a bugaboo in my book. From that perspective, it's understandable why you object to county government assuming more power. Personally, I've grown to be more wary of "bad government," and by that, I mean unresponsive, unaccountable, unjust, and dysfunctional. That can mean "too big," "too small," or "badly designed" government.

I'm not sure how a police chief appointed by our elected officials in a fair, open process is undemocratic. (It is, in fact, how most of our law enforcement leadership is chosen.) As I keep saying (and you keep ignoring), it is currently in the sheriff's best interest to hide the behavior of bad cops as long as possible (to use the election cycle), and there's a whole political machine to support him. The system is absurd. The local GOP, which normally tries to keep public sector unions in check, makes an exception for the FOP. And why is that? Because there is an alignment of interests.

"The advantage of an elected Sheriff is to give the whole population of a county a say in how the laws will be enforced." You think that's an advantage? It encourages uneven enforcement in our racially segregated county. (It's never the "whole" population that votes for the sheriff, and you're smart enough to know it.) And it allows bad laws to remain on the books instead of being changed. Yours is the WORST defense of the sheriff position I have ever heard. And sorry, but an award from 22 years ago is an embarassingly small fig leaf.

Big government, small government...I'm too old to care about old arguments anymore. I just want to see a better community. Tired old ideas that don't work need to go. I guess that makes me a liberal in your book. My, how things change.

gabrielshorn2013

I do not “fear” big government GG. I do not believe that “big government”, determining every last facet of our existence, is a good thing. You never went to the Libertarian website or read the platform, did you? Apparently not. So far you have provided nothing but a specious and gratuitous argument. I have repeatedly asked you for something, anything to back up your statements, but I get more of the same. You believe that having an appointed Sheriff would be better, with no verifiable data on why that is so. You assert that the Sheriff’s office is corrupt, with no verifiable data. You assert that the Sheriff is in cahoots with the FOP, and protects bad cops. Again, no data, just your opinion. When asked how an appointed Sheriff would handle bad cops and the FOP, you have nothing to back up your opinion. No, the election is not unanimous, and to think it ever would be is absurd, just as thinking that everyone would approve of an appointed Sheriff. Bad laws on the books? Since when does the Sheriff make laws? He is duty-bound to uphold the laws. Our elected officials make those laws. I explained that the award was achieved for receiving all three accreditations. They have maintained them since that time. Quite an achievement. Worst argument you ever heard? Let’s try this. “I want it”. When asked why, the response is “because I think it’s a good idea”. When asked why, the response is essentially “well, Billy down the street has one”. Ever hear that type of argument? It’s yours. Change for change sake is not always a good thing. If you want change, you’ll have to put up a far better argument than this to convince anyone to embark on a change from the status quo, which seems to be operating quite well.

DickD

I like that idea, Gorilla. [thumbup]

gorillagusto

Thanks! It seems like a overdue reform that reasonable people can get behind. Unfortunately, not everyone is reasonable around here.

Ron Paul

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ig6j9l4ffNI

Obadiah Plainsmen

I see two possible outcomes from the George Floyd murder. Back in 2008 then candidate Barack Obama said if elected "“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

In 2015 Obama unveiled his "National Law Enforcement Plan" along with his "Task Force on 21st Century Policing".

Now New York BLM Chapter Chairman Hawk Newsome said that they are preparing and training members to take over all policing functions in black communities. Defund the local law enforcement and send that money into neighborhood/communities to create a civilian police/security force.

Could it be that in the near future black/hispanic/white/asian communities will be policed by trained civilians of their own color/nationality or culture.

The other outcome will be no longer will there be a local law enforcement agency. It will be Federalize Police Force a mini-version of the military patrolling and enforcing laws in our cities, towns, communities.

No matter the outcome the spirit of lawlessness is rising.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8384065/Black-Lives-Matter-leader-declares-war-police.html

Nancy Day

Hmmmm. There was only one outcome for Mr. Floyd. And reposting from the Daily Mail? lololol.

MrSniper

People like the Sheriff’s days are numbered as a political force. They have power because long ago the boomers sold out & traded in peace, love, & equality hippy values for trickle-down, consumer, war-monger yuppie values. Talking with them is a waste of everyone’s time. Change for the better will come, unfortunately, when they have passed. The saddest of their bunch are the evangelicals. People who should be predisposed to love strangers, neighbors, & enemies as themselves instead support gay hate, caging children, & worshiping the military.

Nancy Day

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buckster

Wow! That was a pretty broad brush, I can't see anyone you missed with your generalized dribble. The Sheriff's days are numbered, and the numbers will continue on because the vast majority of clear minded adult citizens will continue to vote him in.

Steve Neilsen

Gosh, I have NO idea why people would be upset and protesting with this sort of BS going on in today’s world (this is Franklinville, NJ by the way, not Mississippi):

https://twitter.com/keithbakes/status/1270332249628643329?s=21

Trump supporters. I’m shocked. 🙄

Now just like we shouldn’t lump all bad cops together, or all protesters together or Trumpers together, any the mouth breather, boot licking Trump acolytes want to try to defend this crap?

Nancy Day

While it is laudable of the good sherf to 'man up' and try and talk to protesters (they had a great opportunity - and blew it) the problems with his leadership and department go too far back for anything to be solved with a simple conversation in a field. A true dialogue needs to start for progress to occur.

clee03

Blew it? He was NOT answering questions!!!

gabrielshorn2013

He was not answering the questions, or you couldn't hear the answers because he was being shouted down. Same result from two different approaches. The report says he tried to respond but could no be heard over the shouting. So, unless you have video of the sheriff not responding, I'll take the word of FNP, and the other videos out there.

aust42

“Sheriff [Chuck] Jenkins is a racist,” Kavonte Duckett told the crowd gathered in front of the Frederick Department of Public Works facility using a megaphone." And this is one of the reasons most educated people don't take these protestors seriously. Some 26 year old idiot screaming nonsense into a megaphone and the crowd not letting Jenkins talk defeats their whole purpose for dialogue. Doesn't seem like this is about George Floyd anymore.

mikec

I'm not a Jenkins fan, but to call him a "racist," or anybody for that matter, is a pretty heavy comment. Unless you have real evidence that he is racist, throwing out that term serves no purpose and is pretty disrespectful. It's the worst characterization there is.

clee03

Well...I can call him a racist because I have seen it before he became sherrif.

TINAE

Hump, that part!

sevenstones1000

He spoke the truth. You can’t handle the truth.

Jenkins has had years and years to “speak”. We know him for what he is by now,

This time, Jenkins couldn't get the black man to “perform” for him and give him a platform to lie some more.

Nancy Day

Exactly, 7.

gabrielshorn2013

Wow seven. Disappointing. smh...

MrSniper

You’re the problem. You don’t take legitimate grievances seriously. People have been quietly protesting officials like the sheriff. They have marched peacefully. Now, they aren’t as quiet...they aren’t as peaceful & you still come up with an excuse to delegitimize them. Change your ways, otherwise a reckoning will come, the likes of which this country hasn’t seen since the 60’s & 70’s.

buckster

Bring it.

gramps

Stop making rational statements like this. Irrationality is the only thing that matters anymore.....

clee03

So he is an idiot because he had questions in front of a crowd? He is uneducated because he questioned the sherrif? Sounds to me like the same white faces from hundreds of years saying a black man is uneducated simply because he is black and or questions questionable authority. Did you happen to ask Kavonte if he attended school? You are part of this problem by saying the things you just said.

clee03

This mans entire campaign is based on I.C.E

Not protecting his county. That man asked me "why do you talk like that" like what Chuck??? He said like you have no white friends...sheesh at the time he was lead detective on my brothers homicide case...REALLY CHUCK you question me about my hair being braided but not answer the questions we have

For the purpose of the meeting was a case update. He is indeed racist. Period. When so.eone chants BLM...and you say all lives matter...its proof in the puddin...white lives arent in danger just because they are white. White ppl dont walk out the door on a daily basis and worrg if they encounter a cop or deputy that they may be executed for breathing. White people werent enslaved for hundreds of yesrs and told they were uneducated because they were white. White people dont have to teach their children to be silent, stay catious as if a public walk could turn deadly. Like the fact that this protesters education is in question because he questioned a questionable person in a position of power alone is ignorant in the exact definition of the word.

Ron Paul

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ig6j9l4ffNI

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bosco

Fat shaming now too? I don't think you really want to open that door. [scared][ninja]

yogib

It became clear that the Sheriff could not and would not engage in a dialogue "because there were" court cases pending". Another dodge by a Sheriff in a changing and more progressive County in which he no longer fits. Jenkins still thinks that race matters and he refused to answer the racism questions, which we all know exists in his world.

bosco

Would you engage in a dialogue under those conditions? They went wanting "answers" but then refused to take the opportunity to listen. [ninja]

gorillagusto

Would you argue with someone who can have you arrested on whatever trumped up, BS charges he wanted? And half of this county would nod along like redneck bobbleheads. That's a bit of a power differential, I'd say...and not in the direction you imply.[ninja]

bosco

Then explain the protestors expected outcome, gorilla. [ninja]

gorillagusto

Uh, Bosco.... seems pretty obvious. To get in the newspaper, to stir the pot. Over 200 comments here alone. I'd say they did a fine job. (By the way, what's the deal with ninjas?)

prg45fan

Hey apeman my thing would not be a ninja. I'd prefer a skull and crossbones wearing a MAGA hat with an olive green mask with the words- Front Towards Enemy. Know how to do that? I'll give you a dollar.[wink]

gorillagusto

PRG, I wasn't talking to you, but thanks for letting me know I can safely continue ignoring you.[wink]

clee03

U mean the same conditions they use during interrogations???

gorillagusto

A politician who can order you to be arrested. Boy oh boy. This is quite a system we've got here, Frederick Co.!

tptfmd

“Sheriff [Chuck] Jenkins is a racist,” Kavonte Duckett told the crowd gathered in front of the Frederick Department of Public Works facility using a megaphone. “He knew we were coming. He put a barricade because he knew we were coming. He brought out cameras, he called news outlets, and now he has prepared a table that he wants me to sit at. I’ll be damned if I ever sit at a fake, makeshift table with Sheriff Chuck Jenkins.”

This is a way to start a discussion? These type of statements, along with the chants from the crowd sound like a angry mob as opposed to peaceful protest.

TomWheatley

The article states that he contacted the FNP and not the Sheriff. And if someone asks to sit at the table and then shows up with a megaphone to proclaim they will not sit at the table that was offered, then what exactly was the point?

sevenstones1000

Awwwww.... they didn’t parade nicely for you? Need a tissue?

prg45fan

Stoney, It's almost as if you wanted destruction and mayhem from the mostly peaceful protests in Frederick. You should stock up on 2ply, maybe 3ply tissues. Your tears will flow freely on the night of November, 3.[wink]

Rockfish

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LJF0929

Guess it's not time to sit down and talk YET. As soon as white people feel uncomfortable, the FNP trolls stand up for what they think is right. But lets push aside hundreds of years of an oppressive system that has had many black folks "go into the station" to chat. Let's try a little scenario.....say a "neighbor" comes to your house frequently banging on your door, screaming insensitivities, hurts your children, takes a parent away, accuses you of "matching a suspect," calls to tell on you, hates you just because - you'd probably get to a breaking point. But you should go sit down with that "neighbor" and talk it out. Really? You'd be comfortable with that? You think that would get you anywhere? You wouldn't be pi$$ed at that person? You'd trust them? C'mon - even the fact that white people feel it's their place to comment on the actions of a historically underrepresented, oppressed people is a sign of your privilege with a true belief people should do things "your way" or it's not right. When the tables turn and you see someone you like/respect treated in an uncomfortable manner, you all run to the keyboard to stand up for what is right! But fellow human beings that don't look like you - no way - they're misfits and toddlers. Sit back and learn. Shut the lips. Look at yourself. You're racist. You care about people when they share your same values but care about the lives of millions of people that don't have the same experiences as you. Self-reflect - it's uncomfortable, but nothing compared to what black people have experienced on a daily basis.

gabrielshorn2013

Oh please. So the purpose of marching on the Sheriff's office was to express how pissed off you were, rather than the stated objective of having a dialogue with the Sheriff to get answers to your questions? Got it. You had every opportunity to be the bigger man in front of all those cameras, and you blew it.

Business Owner

I think if anyone needs to self-reflect, it's you. I thought we lived in a country that allows everyone their right to express themselves? Sorry, I'm not going to "shut my lips," if you want real change to occur everyone needs a chance to talk and everyone needs to listen.

prg45fan

ljfo, In my opinion I owe Black people no more than human respect and kindness and that's all they owe me. It's a human thing not a color thing. With that being said, Michelle Obama made the comment "Don't ever, ever let anyone tell you that you are too angry." My opinion tells me that she was advocating violence against people and property. Have a MAGA week everyone and enjoy the weather. By the way, are Churches allowed to hold inside protests of more than ten people? Seems fair doesn't it?

Nancy Day

A maga week? Oh you mean filled with hatred, lies, bullying, fear mongering, childish insults? Yes, that is definitely a maga week. Sad eye roll.

LJF0929

Wait - I thought America was great again. That's the new campaign slogan, isn't it? Keep America Great. It's our proudest moment as Americans as people around the WORLD are protesting.....

Frederickmom2

My husband had the privilege of having a gun held to his head during an armed robbery in one of these cities calling for a “defunding of the police.” He happened to be in that city because of work. What type of privilege is that? So God help you if you’re a victim of crime in this country and there’s no police to call or all the good cops have left the force because they’re sick of being maligned by the public. The truth is our country has a major issue with crime.... but I’m sure this will be solved by defunding the police.

clee03

Because defunding the police was the start of this?

LJF0929

Police have killed 1100 black people WHILE IN CUSTODY since 2004. Want to talk about crime? So it's okay if it's the police murder - exactly as we have all seen time and time again - and only because cell phones can now record the murders. So yes, we have a very large crime problem in this country. I just had a cop go by me on Rt15, I sped to catch up with him and cruised behind him at 79mph for about 10 minutes. Not going to any call - but above the law. I can't drive 79 but the police can. I've known police that (off duty) drive drunk (on numerous occasions), beat their wives, and steal from crime scenes. So yes there are good police out there, but also a system that covers for the bad apples, and they are more than a few.

Business Owner

If you want someone to understand your position, take some time understanding theirs. I'm surprised with the lack of leadership of this group -- especially Aje Hill. If you want anyone to listen and understand your point of view, stop screaming in their face.

HappyPlace77

Jenkins met the protesters outside in a polo with no body armor, tried to have a discussion, invited them inside and they just screamed at him. He did exactly what the protesters have been asking cops to do and they just yelled nonsense. Children.

bosco

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gabrielshorn2013

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awteam2000

The Frederick City Police didn’t wear body armor either on Friday night and there were 8,000 protesters.

JohnSchaeffer1

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shiftless88

He met them behind a barricade at HIS place. He should go to THEIR place. Where has he been the last week? Oh yes, complaining about Bowser on Fox

gabrielshorn2013

No shiftless, they said they were coming to meet him, and he obliged, meeting all of the conditions they themselves had established. A barricade? Three inch wide yellow plastic tape is a barricade? Look at the pictures. No barricade.

bosco

In yesterday's FNP, the marchers were quoted as saying they were going to gather outside county law enforcement building to see Sheriff Jenkins and get some answers. It's clear now that they don't really want answers or they would've accepted Jenkin's offer to sit down at the table or to go inside and meet since the crowd was making so much noise that a dialogue was impossible.

It's also clear from this article that Duckett was upset because Jenkins was prepared for the protestors. This is the same Duckett that was upset because the Black Hog boarded up their windows, something he called taunting and antagonistic.

Maybe, when Duckett and Hill are ready to sit down and have an adult conversation with Jenkins and any other authorities there will be a real conversation, but right now they are acting like petulant spoiled brats throwing a temper tantrum.

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LJF0929

Yeah - they have no reason to be upset. Because the police always handle "them" in a calm, fair manner - these YOUTH should just shut up and listen. I don't think so.....it's more of the same. Protesters wouldn't be protesting if they weren't SICK and TIRED of being treated poorly by police and society in general. Until white people can sit back and recognize that we don't really get to dictate how these changes will occur - since we haven't given it enough thought for 400 years - then people will have to rise up and be heard in ways that are not always the way "we think" they should. Maybe sitting down to talk when one is super upset is a white belief. Why can't people understand that if you beat down a population for so long, they're not going to "sit and listen." Put your listening ears on and watch how a generation of young people stand up for themselves in the face of repeated abuse - and it won't always look "the way you were taught."

gabrielshorn2013

So they're offered the opportunity to have a peaceful conversation with the sheriff, either outside or inside, to get the answers they said they wanted, but chose to shout him down every time the sheriff tried to respond? I guess they really had no interest in answers, just yelling. That's just petulant behavior.

Business Owner

Listening ears LFJ0929? I don't listen when I'm screamed at -- do you? How would you like it if I showed up where you work and screamed questions in your face?

LJF0929

THAT'S THE POINT - are you black? Ask any black man how old he was the first time the police pulled a gun on them. When I posed this question more than 50% said between the ages of 10-13!!! Ten and thirteen year olds getting guns pointed at them by the people they're supposed to trust! Allow me to report further regarding my informal poll with 23 black men between the ages of 16 and 73........only 5 of them reported never having a gun pulled on them by police - but the most staggering "data" from this is that in almost every case (minus 2) - they were let go - innocent - and told they had a report of a black male suspect. So go be a parent to a black boy and explain to him that he will very likely have a firearm pulled on him, by accident, by the police that are supposed to protect and serve. I liken being screamed at a small cry from having a gun pulled.

bosco

Let's not discount people from their roles (such as sheriff) due to their sex, race, political beliefs, or religion. A dialogue is how things change, not a diatribe. Jenkins was offering them respect and all they could do was continue their tantrum.

User1

Beat down my ARSE! Start by being responsible and not demanding that racist “Uncle Sugar” keep supporting you. All people have the same opportunity to better themselves. Do you see whites protesting because of the quota system that hires minorities above better qualified whites? Lower the standards in public schools because of “racial disparities”? You are only using your color and your history as a crutch that many willingly use. Cut the handouts and scream “racialism”? Gimme a break!

awteam2000

Yeah and why are all them white people ‘all over the world’, protesting over “Black Lives Matter” for over the last 15 days? In some cases 100% of the protesters are white. Your logic would suggest, they’re all Ignorant of the fact that they keeping blacks on “crutches“.. Friday night 75% of the protesters where white, I didn’t here anyone expressing your views.

No what, you should organize a protest to drawn attention to your concerns , screaming about “how black people get over”. Certainly you can pull it off if five black youth on “crutches“ can pull-off an 8,000 person march in Frederick, Certainly you can do better. 🤷‍♂️

LJF0929

All people don't have the same opportunity!!!! That's the problem! And if you think they do, you're inherently racist. You don't understand that the odds are stacked against a black person from their first breath. How many black people do you interact with? How do you know what their experience has been? Have you asked? Do you really "know" any black people? You sound exactly like the problem causing protests.

harrishj07

I absolutely agree with you!

gramps

"...adult conversation". That made me laugh. Thanks.

MSAMV55

"While the sheriff mainly interacted with Duckett, Hill and a handful of others near the front of the crowd, loud chants and questions, insults and demands drowned out most of his answers."

Okay then. Sure sounds like the crowd went there looking for constructive dialog. Sure. Mostly peaceful. Uh-huh.

MSAMV55

More accurate alternative headline, based on the contents of the article: "Sheriff Meets Protesters; Crowd Hurls Insults, Refuses Dialog."

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Frederickmom2

I watched the live video and all I heard was the protesters yelling “you suck chuck!” And “fu&@ you Chuck!” Over and over again. Is there a specific list of demands this group has that can be seen so the public can have a dialogue? I should also mention that at one point in the video that I saw they surrounded the Sheriff- this was even mentioned by the guy who made the video. I think his exact quote was “you don’t surround a pig.”

mgoose806

Sheriff Jenkins did the best he could to engage with the protestors. Clearly a waste of time. Thank you Sheriff for trying.

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bosco

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JohnSchaeffer1

Agree !

pretzel

Jenkins is the BEST. Thank you Sheriff for never cowering like these 'others". He is the reason Frederick, as declined as it has become, is still standing unscathed.

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stevej_

You have to give the Sheriff credit for coming out and trying to have a dialogue. It's a shame this crowd would not allow him to. They clearly had no interest in discussing the issues like rational, decent members of our community. Kavonte Duckett is a racist himself who just wants the attention. Now that he's gotten some and he likes it he will get even more radical. This was not the way Lord Nickens or Martin Luther King operated and they actually effectuated some real change.....

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LJF0929

DId they effect real change???? Really? That was over 50 years ago and here we are...... You want a group of people that have been hated and disgraced day after day to simply set up a meeting to sit down and talk??? Don't you think minority groups have sat down to talk (MLK) long enough WITHOUT results? Be quiet and let people rise up to make the changes we don't seem to care about on a human level. There are obviously a lot of scared white people in Frederick, and it appears they spend their days sitting in front of a computer screen believing their dialogue has any impact - get out in the world and be a human being and realize "we" have oppressed and treated black people horribly for hundreds of years.......NOTHING has worked YET!

fnpreader123

Nothing has worked? Really? Do we have separate hotels, restaurant seating areas, schools, and freaking water fountains based on skin color? No? Then it changed.

bosco

Not to mention the number of black sheriffs, police chiefs, mayors, governors, members of congress, military generals, and so on.

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User1

“Hated and disgraced day after day”...Really? Is that what you believe? These are the same jackoffs that demand respect? Sorry you earn respect! Go back to your mommas basement or make another dozen kids you can’t support or don’t care about. Let’s see how these punks do when they come up against “scared white people” who only kneel to one person.

clee03

You mean Hitler? Ew everything you just said was racist. User 1...is this an alias accoubt for Chuck???

prg45fan

Black Georgia State Trooper declines to kneel before protesters. "I kneel for one person." Wonder if MSM covered that?

MFGA

Such a long way you have come Mr. "President of the Necktie Club"..Mr. "A Voice for all the people"...there seems to be a reoccurring theme with you regarding table manners...if you're not at the table, then you're on the menu. Shame on you for not inviting Sheriff Jenkins to your table. You want respect but you fail to give respect. Why any group would want to be led by a 24 year old that couldn't raise enough support to secure an at large seat on the Frederick County Council is beyond logic...but then this is about your photo ops, not really wanting to have actual dialogues...he knew you were coming...because you told him you were coming. How was it supposed to play out any different than what it did. You got what you wanted...now move on down to Lynchburg, Va...I understand your school, Liberty U, needs your help with its race relations.

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marylandmirage

I don’t always agree with Sheriff Jenkins on his philosophy or implementation of policies, but meeting him in a confrontational manner is not the way to resolve any differences. You can’t resolve anything by showing up with the most number of people on your side and shouting down your opponent- it doesn’t make you right, and at the end of the day, he is still the Sheriff. And to those who want to defund and disband law enforcement agencies, what is the alternative? Wouldn’t a better idea be to re-evaluate and revamp policies and procedures, with an emphasis on community policing?

tatt2ed

“He knew we were coming. He put a barricade because he knew we were coming. He brought out cameras, he called news outlets, and now he has prepared a table that he wants me to sit at. I’ll be damned if I ever sit at a fake, makeshift table with Sheriff Chuck Jenkins.”

So, you march there, make demands, and just expect the Sherriff to simply say "Okay, you're right, I quit"? You have every media outlet right there with you. He offered the opportunity to speak with you inside, but you declined the offer. Any attempts by the Sherriff to speak with you outside were shouted down. I applaud your peaceful protesting, but when the opportunities to engage directly are afforded, you should take them. You hate Jenkins, fine, but don't throw the opportunity away.

Progress is difficult to obtain in the best of times, of which this is not, but I believe you missed an opportunity.

Frederickmom2

The video I saw every protester had their phones out videoing the event. Isn’t the news outlets what they would want - or is it only ok if the protesters call the media?

LJF0929

Let's let the system placate these protesters. Come inside and sit down. Trust me. I have your best interest in mind. Let's be peaceful. These protesters are no fools - that has NEVER worked for them and it won't shut them up now. So unbelievable that people get upset when our sheriff looks a little bit uncomfortable.......NOTHING compared to the discomfort of millions of people experience every breath of their lives. Yes there are good - even great police. But until you wake up as a black person in this world - your opinion is just that. You have no idea and your privilege to comment on how it makes "you feel" is inherently white.

Frederickmom2

Actually my privilege to comment is inherently American. And I am the mother of a child with special needs so I know ALL ABOUT uncomfortable and unfair.

gabrielshorn2013

And what you pulled yesterday IS successful? Never. You had the perfect opportunity, with cameras rolling, to show you were an adult. You blew it. SMH...

User1

Yea, if those aren’t acts of a racist then I don’t know what are. Just makes these protest “leaders” look like the arses they are.

WangoTango

I don’t recall this amount of public outrage after the police-induced death of Ethan Saylor.

KellyAlzan

That’s what I been saying. And Ethan wAs killed in the same manner. That, and the courts swept the incident under the rug, which is where the calls for reform come into play

User1

Because he wasn’t the right “color” to fit the lefts narrative!

awteam2000

And right’s excuse was ...

Lev928

Ethan Saylor is irrelevant in every way to the protestor's concern, intent and violence. He was white and disabled.

Lev928

KellyAlzan ... aka KellyFalsezan ... you stated "the courts swept the incident under the rug", yet there was a civil lawsuit and a direct change to Maryland police officer training related to the incident. Yet you continue to publicly state FALSE information on a public news media forum regarding this incident AND a separate one related to an illegal immigrant. Are you a "lead commenter" ... or a bored, uneducated, inexperienced and sad, solitary antagonist with nothing to lose?

jkjrwhipp

Robert Saylor. But yes, he is never mentioned or thought of.

KellyAlzan

Ethan Saylor, not Robert

KellyAlzan

Bear in mind that this is the same (maskless) Sherf that refuses to debate Karl Bickle

KellyAlzan

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Greg F

You’re

niceund

It really pains me to see two people who have done so much good in this County by founding I Believe in Me, be at the forefront of hate. I thought these young men were supposed to be good role models for children. They may think they are but as the week rolls on they get more hateful and confrontational. This is the way our children are supposed to act? I think they have a valid concern but they are going about getting results in the wrong way.

stevej_

Amen niceund!

User1

All they are doing is showing younger people that it’s their duty to confront the police and be confrontational when met by police. Maybe that’s a reason why so many young blacks are arrested compared to others. You do not get belligerent or confrontational when talking to police. That’s the first step in getting arrested. Yea, good role models for the kids.

awteam2000

It’s widely known that black parents have conversations with their children in how to interact when stopped by police, knowing from there experience, it can become ugly fast.

Is that the talk, the conversation you had with your kids when they reach puberty? “Police may lock you up”,”beat you“, “even kill you, if they confront you.” Many times in the reverse order. You told your kids, “ police see you as a threat, as adversaries.“

You wouldn’t have people of ‘all colors‘ demonstrating, across the nation if this wasn’t an issue, calling for structural policing change and even more importantly cultural change.

What’s your deal? Always, so antagonist against people of other colors? Why?

Change only comes from mobilizing behind an issue, protest, and rage. That’s America’s history from it’s beginning, if not the history of mankind.

knahs25

Nice photo of the sheriff. — without a mask. Complete disregard for public safety.

niceund

Give me a break

Greg F

Why? Of all people in public, his odds of being infected are far higher than most.

User1

What about the other photo’s in the article with numerous protestors with their masks Orr or down? Naw...you can only see a white man without a mask.

KR999

By shouting down the Sheriff and not letting him answer the questions asked of him those people lost all credibility for their "cause." They are nothing but a rogue mass of hoodlums now.

Rockfish

Agreed. Disagreements don't get solved by people shouting at one another.

Nancy Day

One has to look no farther than congress for ineffectual bodies.

prg45fan

You are speaking of the lower chamber right?

KR999

As long as you're around, Sammy, one has to look no farther for an ineffectual body then the FNP comments.

marinick1

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prg45fan

Your New material is the same as the old Grog. Keep trying. Maybe put just a little more effort into it.

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awteam2000

It would have set a great example of community if Chuck Jenkins chose to join the protesters in marching back to the city center. That would have made a great statement against bad policing. It would have demonstrated his commitment to serve all, an awakening, on the side of serving rather then holding portions of the community in servitude. He could have showed his service to the whole Community by joining the community.

He missed an opportunity.

gabrielshorn2013

Fair enough aw. Maybe the next meeting will result in dialogue and progress if both sides take the opportunity to grasp the outstretched hand.

awteam2000

“He who reaches out their hand holds the advantage”. There‘s way too much “use against them”. “It not my fault, it’s yours“. That doesn’t create resolutions just widens the divide. I would be really impressed if Jenkins would reach-out his hand demonstrating he supports the whole community even if he has differing views in what’s the root of the problem, defending policing and differing solutions. I agree with you, Devonte may have had a ‘just purpose‘ but wasn’t prepared to discuss the issues, a missed opportunity. But the Sheriff did too. So here we are, calling each other names. Only shouting and screaming. Somebody please cleanup the poop in the walkway.

awteam2000

Sorry I miss-spoke the young activist’s name is “Kavonte Duckett”. Please except my apology.

girlpolitic

FNP: Did Hanoi Jane Folden ask the photographer to snap the photo for his next campaign to be Sheriff as the friendly republican?

gabrielshorn2013

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DeplorableLocalVeteran

Police caught on videos slashing tires amid protests in Minneapolis

Videos captured cases of officers in military-style uniforms destroying property during the protests over the past week. Mother Jones compiled the videos and reports, showing officers stabbing tires and photos showing that every tire was slashed in various parking lots in Minneapolis near the protes..

Rockfish

This article is about Frederick, not Minneapilis.[offtopic]

prg45fan

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jnlybj

Where was the protest march for the death of Mr. weed at the Frederick Fair

awteam2000

Jnlybj, you should organize a protest in response to Weed’s death if you feel it’s needed but keep in mind, Jay wasn’t murder by law enforcement, his assailants were immediately arrested and have been in jail ever since, and there was a vigil held for Jay in Mt Airy.

steelersfan2005

Ahmaud Arbery wasn't murdered by law enforcement either, his assailants were not immediately arrested either. Nice twist when its not equal.

shiftless88

You don't make sense. In the case at the Fair the people were almost immediately arrested. In the Arbery case they sat free for two months because until the video was released the locals declined to press charges. that is why people get worked up.

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Lev928

jnlybj - "Where was the protest march for the death of Mr. weed at the Frederick Fair?"

Well, we certainly can't have THAT kind of justified protest. I'll bet my paycheck not a single protester in that march would riot, loot or attack the police. It's just not considered "politically correct now" In other words, certain races and activist organizations deny personal accountability and responsibility ... and it's only getting worse. I'd say it's time to put a stop oto it all.

KMRD1

Kavonte is the new Willie Mahone and Lord Nickens would not approve of him.

girlpolitic

Lord Nickens was an honest man looking out for everyone and the gold standard. The Mahone brothers were both committed to making things better and both well educated men. As to Kavonte, no comment, for a reason.

TomWheatley

Agreed.

stevej_

100% true KMRD....

marinick1

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truck

Why doesn’t the media report the vast majority of use of force by police is justified? Is it simply because it doesn’t fit the narrative, or it doesn’t sell???

marinick1

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prg45fan

@Truck--Both. You could probably add a few more to those two also.

fnpreader123

I agree. People are forgetting that most of the guys being taken in by police officers are not nice, rational people. Often they are on drugs, or just flat out crazy. Try politely handcuffing a 240-lb 6 ft man who is running around his yard yelling about aliens while high on God knows what substances. I would like to see the stats for the toxicology reports on all police shooting fatalities, because it is really a whole different ball game trying to peacefully subdue people who are on drugs.

User1

Remember...”Black Lives Matter LESS if it’s Black On Black”. These protestors should be demonstrating against themselves!

Lev928

User1 made the most truthful, factual statement yet as it relates to BLM, the "defund the police" ideology and crime: ”Black Lives Matter LESS if it’s Black On Black”. These protestors should be demonstrating against themselves!"

dagcolby

I often think about a 'big guy' with Down's Syndrome who was murdered by off-duty deputies for the price of a movie ticket. I remember especially reading a comment in The Washington Post from a nurse who said that they often get "out of control" people in the ER and haven't "killed one yet". Proper training is crucial.

Lev928

dagcolby ... that "big guy" -- regardless of mental capacity -- was out of control. The cops did what they were trained to do. Since then, Maryland training requirements for police have changed. More importantly, where were his parents or guardian at the time? What actions did the parents or guardian take to prevent this incient from occurring? The answer is none: they were complacent AND complicit. You'll only read about cops being bad, lawsuits and settlements. You'll not hear the true story about parental negligence.

bosco

It doesn't fit AND it doesn't sell. Try doing a citizen ride along with the police and see what they face every day. Thank goodness for our men and women in blue. [ninja]

Lev928

bosco ... very valid point.

Lev928

truck ... facts no longer exist in modern news media. Look at the FNP for instance. They're politically biased and use politically correct terms instead of reporting reality and FACTS.

Piedmontgardener

Good engagement, I'm not a fan of the Sheriff, but this was the right thing to do. However, his department has plenty of excessive force matters that don't only include black citizens to put in the table in these discussions.

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