Nazi flag - TJ High

A Nazi flag was found hanging in the window of Gov. Thomas Johnson High School Friday night.

A Facebook post showing a Nazi flag hanging in a classroom window of Gov. Thomas Johnson High School went viral over the weekend, prompting outrage on social media and apologies from school officials.

The picture, originally taken by Nicole Hopkins, was shared by another user on Facebook and drew almost 400 shares and over 700 comments, many expressing outrage that the flag was displayed so prominently in a public and school setting.

Hopkins said she was driving into the high school’s parking lot to attend a basketball game Friday night when she saw the flag in the window.

“I looked at it and I thought wait a minute. I looked at it again, I looked at my boyfriend and I was like ‘is that what I think it is?”, Hopkins said.

She then snapped a picture because she felt no one would believe the flag had been there without proof.

According to an email sent out via FindOutFirst by TJ High principal Daniel Lippy, the flag is used in a World War II class and was left hanging in the classroom.

“We immediately responded to the concern and removed the flag,” Lippy said in the email. “We share the concerns in the community about the feelings of hatred and intolerance that the flag represents. We pride ourselves on accepting all members of our society and this message is central to who we are as Patriots.”

The email went on to say that the photo captured “certainly gives a different impression” and that the school sends apologies to the community.

“We have taken steps to ensure that this never occurs again,” Lippy said in the email.

Hopkins said she understands and doesn’t mind that the flag was used as part of classroom instruction but is confused by its placement in the window.

The viral Facebook post drew comments from Frederick County Board of Education President Brad Young and Vice President Jay Mason.

In a Facebook comment, Young said he was notified of the flag around 8 p.m. Friday night and immediately contacted school administration to make sure it was taken down. Young wrote that he was also told the flag was being used as part of a WWII class.

“That being said, it should have been taken down after the lesson and was in very poor taste to have been left up in a window,” Young wrote. “I know it will be used as a learning lesson for staff and students. I on behalf of the school apologize for it happening.”

Mason shared similar thoughts.

In multiple Facebook comments he wrote, “The flag being left on display was not a good idea at all and unacceptable...we will use it as a teachable moment for staff and students.”

It is still unclear why the flag was left hanging in the window and Young said that point will be investigated once school reconvenes on Monday.

School Superintendent Terry Alban said in a statement the incident does not reflect the values of Frederick County Public Schools.

“We sincerely regret the hurt it caused,” Alban said. “It will be important to understand what happened and I will be following up with staff...so that we can take appropriate action.”

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(145) comments

dirtorsoil

Here's an article by an _actual_ newspaper:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/02/11/nazi-flag-school-window-maryland/

Kelpfarming

This man needs to be fired. Never mind that everyone in Frederick fought against the NZ words --i wont ever say the name of those Germans--If you let that flag be displayed people will start believing in it. Because western people in their hearts are the NZ words. FIRE THIS MAN. Stop putting th WOKE culture in the closet. We are OUT!

gabrielshorn2013

Ummm...Do you set your hair on fire like this every time you see the 'Rising Sun" flag of the Empire of Japan? BTW, they still use it as their official national flag. While you may be aware of, and hypersensitive to, the atrocities of the German Reich during WWII, The Empire of Japan was just as brutal. Ask China or Korea, or the Philippines, or the Malaysians, or the Burmese, etc. how they were treated as conquered nations. Where is your angst over that??? Grow up.

MRS M

gabriel, your numerous postings attempting to convince readers on the "similarities" of the Japanese atrocities to those of the Nazi regime interject a false and distracting equivalency..........and for what purpose, I have to wonder.? Why the great and determined need to minimize the Nazi atrocities that this flag conjures for Americans of all faiths and nationalities, by comparison to other atrocities of war. Instead of interjecting this false equivalency to think about "Asking China or Korea, or the Philippines, or the Malaysians, or the Burmese", you might consider current atrocities. Antisemitism in alive and well in America today, with neo-Nazis carrying torches marching in Charlottesville, Virginia; with the president of the United States telling his base that "there are good people on both sides"; and with horrifying attacks on synagogues in Pittsburgh and California resulting in the murder of those of the Jewish faith in America TODAY. You do see the difference, I hope, between an enemy of war that has become America's ally, vs. the current despicable acts of neo-nazis and antisemites in America today. And if not, perhaps it's time for you to take your own advice and "grow up". It's shameful, really.

gabrielshorn2013

Mme. M. This was in a classroom setting for an in-depth study of the conditions that led up to WW2, the war itself, and the aftermath. I have asked below if all the belligerents flags were displayed, including ours, in the process of teaching this complicated subject. You learn about the good, bad, and ugly in such a class, and whitewashing the subject does not teach. One of the best educational experiences about the Holocaust is visiting the museum in DC, if you can't get to any of the camps in Europe. Books do the subject no justice. Seeing is believing. Experiencing supports understanding. Do you not believe that is critical to understand how this movement took hold in Weimar Germany, and what allowed it to grow? That is the kind of understanding that this class provided. As the teacher noted, this class was not for the fainthearted, and you had to have a signed permission slip to enroll. I am all for such deep education.

Now about your question regarding the Imperial Rising Sun Japanese flag, what you stated is true, but irrelevant. It is estimated that the Japanese Army killed twice the POWs that Germany did (12 million). The "comfort women" (sex slaves of the Japanese Army) did not receive recognition by Japan until recently, and there certainly has not been any compensation to this date. The atrocities happened under that flag, no others. Shall we sweep that ugly and inconvenient fact under the rug because, as you say, Japan is our friend? Maybe after all of the remaining "comfort women" are dead and gone, there will be nothing done about it. Dust in the wind. Not trying to divert, but educate, as many are unaware of that situation. Apparently you aren't either. Look it up.

llrowse

It seems that you’ve never met the child, or grandchild of a man who had been a Japanese POW, and returned. Ask around.

MRS M

Sorry, gabriel, but your hard work and lengthy postings provide absolutely nothing new in defense of what is your losing argument. You only continue to raise the point of comparable suffering during the war, which many are well aware of. One again has to question why so much effort is devoted to "instructing" on the suffering of the past, as a means of justifying your attempt to minimize the effect of the Nazi flag hanging in TJ high school. Rather than addressing the reprehensible sight of the Nazi flag hanging in clear view in a senior high school, around the corner from the high school' s neighbor, the Beth Sholom Congregation, you continue to provide a false equivalency. This false equivalency you're so desperately promoting is painfully lacking in both empathy and understanding. Again, the question is why? Seriously, very few require instruction from you on the atrocities of WWII. But a little understanding of that flag in today's environment, and why so many are sickened by it's mere presence, might serve you well.

gabrielshorn2013

Ilrouse, my Dad served in the Pacific Theater, and the occupying forces in Japan. He wouldn't talk much about his experience, but what he was willing to share was horrific.

gabrielshorn2013

Mme. M. If you can't understand that this class was an in-depth course in WW2, you have no argument whatsoever. I doubt that you had any idea about any of this. Crack a detailed history of the war and get back to those of us who have, and have relatives that served in that theater. Those flags were not hung in the window, they were seen through the window, all of them, including the nazi flag.

MRS M

gabriel, your attempt to continue to distract from the point seems desperate. I, and most here, are well aware of the TJ history class; and the atrocities suffered in WWII by the peoples of many nations during WWII. I am the daughter, niece, cousin, and daughter-in-law of men in my immediate family who fought bravely in all theaters during WWII, in 3 branches of the armed forces. What I cannot understand is your desire to denigrate, put down and minimize the disgust and suffering of those who have posted here that they find the presence of the flag, hanging for all to view, though the classroom window, to be upsetting and sickening. Your discourse is course and shameful, yet you continue to try to mask this lack of empathy by your earlier observations that those who are sickened by this flag's appearance are perhaps overreacting to the flags appearance, akin to "setting their hair on fire" or perhaps that they just "need to grow up". I stand by my position that this attempt to minimize the reactions of those who have been sickened by the view of this flag......... is shameful. Sorry.

llrowse

Gabriel - I hope you know I was responding to that woman who refuses to acknowledge the suffering in Japan, and brought on by Japan. I hear you about your dad. Growing up (surrounded by WWI veterans), my next door neighbor had been a POW in Japan. He made it back. This was before I was born, but he remained a walking skeleton. His different physical injuries, at least the visible ones, were obvious. We never knew when he was going to cry. He was incapable of work. His wife supported them with the help of their oldest children. There were constant emergency trips to the hospital. His family was on constant alert. His youngest daughter, and I came along at the very end of the Boom, so we were among those who didn’t have a clue. For that matter, I didn’t know that my uncle had been a POW in a Nazi work camp until two years ago. It explained the pre and post war pictures. I didn’t understand what my neighbor had suffered in Japan until I started college level history classes. My dad fought, too. Non topic in our house. The suffering of the Jewish people is beyond comprehension. An even education, and an open mind are needed to understand the impact of all Axis powers. My thoughts are with your father.

gabrielshorn2013

Whatever M. You can think whatever you wish. I am not minimizing anyone's experience. I have no problem with this flag or any other from the war being displayed in a teaching environment, this environment. If you do, too bad. Wait for the rest of the story to come out. In the meantime, read the WaPo article. We're done here.

Btw, read these articles.

https://medium.com/dose/the-asian-holocaust-killed-twice-as-many-people-as-the-nazis-did-877f0a7c664

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

llrowse

FNP, You don’t want the public to know that Fox 5 has reported that the incident is still under investigation? You don’t want people to know that stakeholders on both fronts have been interviewed? Or is it the part about journalistic integrity?

llrowse

Fox 5 TV reported that the incident involving the Nazi flag, is still under investigation. News 5 gave an unbiased report, with comments from actual stakeholders. It is still under investigation, yet FNP has allowed their article to remain as is, without addition, or correction. Tell me FNP, is the reporter going to face consequences for this uneven story? Or will the editor apologize, and admit being remiss in vigorously fact checking the incident?

KellyAlzan

Hence my previous reference earlier today "FNP" (Fake News Post)"

llrowse

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shiftless88

What, exactly, are you complaining about? This article draws zero conclusions as to why this happened. The teacher was not named nor blamed. This report seemed unbiased to me. What is your problem??

llrowse

First, the FULL quotes from Dr. Alban, Mr. Young, and Dr. Lippy are missing. There is no information pertaining to the Jewish community reaction. Second, considering the incendiary nature of the topic, it would have been best to wait for FCPS to investigate. Third, the teacher is being tried in the court of electronic media. This situation lacks due process. The story reminds me of an old REO Speedwagon song, with the lyric “the story gets bigger on down the line”. Fourth, another consideration is the safety of the school campus, and those within. Fifth, this has gone viral, with all of benefits of National attention.

tannasmarchat

If someone is willing to take a moment and really look, you will notice an Italian Flag and the Rising Sun of Imperial Japan. Those are the flags of the Axis Powers in case anyone has forgotten their history.

Oh, and the flags are *in front of* the window, not *in* the window.

Kelpfarming

that hurt. That you dont see means you might be a NZ word. ARe you?

KellyAlzan

FNP: I keep seeing mention that the "classroom was vandalized" and that the teacher DID NOT PLACE THE FLAG IN THE WINDOW.

FNP, when can we expect a follow up regarding this claim??? Tonight would be great.

Regards,

Kelly Q. Alzan, Lead Commenter

shiftless88

Actually, the article does not say that the teacher placed the flag in the window. So you seem worked up about nothing. As usual.

gabrielshorn2013

I'm also wondering shiftless, that since German military (Nazi), Italian military (Regio Esercito), and "Rising Sun" military flag of Japan ( a.k.a. the Axis Powers) were displayed, were the flags of the allies also displayed in this course? If so, doesn't that seem to be a balanced approach to represent all of the belligerents in the war? As we know, this was an advanced history course that studied the lead-up to the war, the war itself, and the aftermath.

gabrielshorn2013

Why don't you demonstrate some of that world-class sleuthing that you keep telling us you are capable of plumbum and get the skinny yourself? You could show the FNP that they are no match for the supreme intellect that you, the plumbum rectio, posess, and tout over the rest of us lesser-metal commenters.

Observer10

Too many of the comments about this article reflect poorly on those who choose to post. There is misinformation about what actually happened and people still choose to weigh in with their criticisms. This is a well respected history teacher in a school system that is respected statewide with a nationally recognized leader. Unfortunately, some people have only a life that revolves around social media and this the the result. It reflects more poorly on them then on those in the school system.

bravy

This teacher showed bad judgement in his lesson on WW2. Why did he need a full size Nazi Flag to teach this and why did he have this flag in the first place?Did he use school funds to buy this flag and if so who gave the permission.Did he use his own funds and if so did he have some sort of admiration for the Nazis? I would like to know more about the mindset of the teacher who brought this flag to school!

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llrowse

FNP - You decided to delete Kelly’s facetious comment about teachers, which was tongue in cheek, but you’ve allowed the general public to shred this teacher? My response about public volunteers was my facetious response to Kelly’s comment. You deleted only her comment?

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llrowse

Teaching is one of the few careers that requires an advanced degree within 5 years of earning a bachelor’s degree. It also requires continual education throughout a teaching career.

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llrowse

This comment was made in response to a tongue in cheek comment, made by the person who is FNP Top Commenter.

KellyAlzan

llrowse like the time the girl was missing and she had been located and I posted to the FNP that she has been located, and they kept deleting my post! But the FNP commenting rules specifically state to "share" what we know.

llrowse

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Kelpfarming

Well said. Because if we let that flag fly anywhere western people will start saluting it again. And we cant ever let that happen. We must watch over all people with european ancestry. For the woke must never let NZ words ever be awoke.

dirtorsoil

@FNP- I hope you read these comments in addition to monitoring. Please, like any good journalistic outlet, publish a follow up story to confirm or deny the allegations of vandalism in this classroom. If you published a half-story, and it was not thoroughly investigated, you could be open to a libel and slander lawsuit from said teacher. Also- those that think that some kids dont know what the Nazi symbol looks like are living in a bubble. B/c the internet?

Jaco

I believe the Nazi Swastika actually faces the other direction unless the direction was somehow reversed due to the photography.

shiftless88

It is the "back" of the flag so the image is reversed. The front likely faces the classroom.

Jaco

Makes sense. Thanks!

mamlukman

I taught high school classes on WW II. Some how it never occurred to me to buy a Nazi flag and display it in the classroom....why would I do that???

And in the same vein, read the story about Barnes & Noble proposing to reprint 19th century classics with "diverse" characters on the cover. Jane Eyre wasn't black--or Chinese, or Indian.... It's as absurd as having a white actor play Malcolm X in a movie. B&N has now backed away from the absurd idea because of the public outcry.

What are these people thinking? Oh, that's right, they're not!

threecents

If I had a dollar for all the Swastika graffiti I saw in college at the U of MD, College Park back in the 80s, when I was an undergrad... That was bad stuff back then, and nobody said anything about it, while this was likely accidental. I do take it as a sign of progress that this is taken seriously and an investigation is taking place, but at this point this is not a big deal to me.

awteam2000

Does anyone notice the flag displayed next to the German Nazi flag shown in this column? Do you know what it represents? It’s the Italian fascist flag under Mussolini, the Italian state during WWII... Take a look.

Don’t get me wrong... I’m not sure what the instructors intentions were in displaying these flags. I hope to show banners used by past ugly, intolerance, in humanity, bigotry and racial supremacy, as an attempt to educate his students what these flags symbolized in history.

But I do know that most people don’t know what these flags represent and encourage them by paying little attention.

MrSniper

It’s good that we can all agree that nazi flags & nazi ideology is repugnant & has no place in modern American society. Why not leave it at that & move on? I for one am bored & tired of the back & forth from the left & right. Here is one issue we can agree on.

llrowse

The left and right? How did you correlate a debate about history with the present political atmosphere? It’s about teaching the curriculum. It’s about students who knew that placing the Nazi flag prominently, would create a firestorm. I’m sure they will enjoy this until they are busted with a security recording.

newspostreader

To add on to my comments - If you are looking for someone to blame, then blame the parent of the student who broke into the room, placed this flag in the window, and then opened the closed blinds. They clearly failed to teach their child the difference between right and wrong and the repercussions of their actions.

seanjames

A. where is this info coming from? or did one person just say it here in the comments and everyone else is taking it as gospel? if there is a reputable source, please provide it.

B. if that *is* true, it actually only further illustrates how dumb it was to have the flag there in the first place. you bring a symbol of hate like this into the classroom and, surprise, it can be used as a symbol of hate! regardless of your intentions.

C. i don't really see anyone calling for the teacher to be fired. i know i certainly am not, at least short of more info coming out that may change the situation. (oddly enough, it is only right-wingers in here who are somehow simultaneously saying there's nothing wrong with flying this flag while also calling for the superintendent's job over it? probably for some completely unrelated beef they have with her. but i digress.) it's fair to say that the flag had no business being there and was a seriously bad idea on the teacher's part. it would only be "throwing the teacher under the bus" if the ONLY gripe here was that the flag was visible from outside.

shiftless88

I would be interested at how they were able to get into the classroom, if that is what happened.

bravy

Is that how it happened? Maybe the clueless teacher who brought this flag to his class put it in the window!

llrowse

Do you have anything to offer to the conversation other than teacher bashing? I find that sport highly offensive.

newspostreader

Let me play Devi's Advocate here. How do we all know how to identify that flag and what is represents? Because we LEARNED about it. I remember learning about all types of different flags in school. It doesn't mean we support what that flag stands. Should we stop teaching what the Mexico flag looks like because "bad hombres" come from there? The way you change the world is by teaching from our mistakes in the past. That doesn't mean we are promoting them.

bravy

Really! If you don't know what that flag represents I feel sorry for you!

Keeneybasford

MAYBE a new tagline for this story !!!!!!!!!!!!! STUDENT(S) vandalize classroom …...A great TEACHER is thrown under bus because everyone is RUSHING with inflammatory REPORTING and Social Media posts ….

llrowse

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vodalone

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dlroy101

Poor reporting. There is information available out there that would tell you that the setup of the classroom was altered after the school day ended Friday. The flag had not been displayed to be observed from outside the window. Someone other than the teacher made it so it would be. I'm sure more information will surface, but will it be reported later on. Might not be if it isn't going to elicit a similar response as this article did or the ill written Facebook posts by FCPS over the weekend. My children had this particular teacher more than once in their 4 years at TJ and he was one of their favorites. Good teacher. A lot of people are making judgements when they don't know all the facts.

seanjames

where is the information available that the class was vandalized? people keep mentioning it but nobody has provided any proof.

in either case, i think if someone intentionally displayed it in this way it doesn't make the case that the flag being there in the first place is a good idea. quite the opposite in fact. someone with ill-intent taking the flag and displaying it intentionally as a hate symbol is a completely predictable outcome of it being there

bravy

I agree!

FCPSAdmin

Terry Alban has wasted millions over the last 5 years on special Alban-designed diversity/sensitivity training — including hiring a large staff to police these issues from downtown (instead of hiring teachers or special ed staff). This is the result. Her incompetence is shocking but not surprising.

sofanna

This is atrocious! It is totally irresponsible to hurt so many people by allowing this in our classrooms or any other public place.

Have students read and write an essay on Anne Frank's book. What better way to understand the horrific actions of this time in history. There are other survivors who wrote books. Have students read those as well.

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seanjames

in this context it is very clearly not the chinese symbol for peace. do you morons even believe your own garbage you spew??

JFRITZ

Things to note that the article fails to mention as well as the posts on that have been on Facebook,

This information comes from being a former student from this school and while not being in this class specifically I have known many people who attended that class of all types of backgrounds

1. This is a elective class, to take this class you must sign a permission slip before it begins letting students know this is a in-depth coverage of ww2 and covers the topic in detail, in this permission slip it expresses that this flag is among a wall of flags of every nation to participate in WW2 Japan, America, Italy Etc.. this slip also has a box to check/write in from what I’ve been told saying that that if this flag offends you in any way he will discreetly remove it and take it down to respect the students wishes, I’m also informed that the first day in class the teacher also says to the class the same statement, that at any time at the students can request for it to be taken down.

2. This teacher is one of the biggest contributors towards getting guest speakers to the school the main 2 guests I’m referring to are Holocaust survivors, to let students hear first hand accounts of the horror of the war and the atrocities committed, during these guest speaking events this teacher and the classes they teach show the upmost respect to these guests at all times.

To those of you who are attacking the teacher and crying outrage demanding they be punished you shouldn’t judge people who you don’t know anything about.

And thank you to the people who understand that this flag was part of history lesson and are defending this teacher.

vodalone

While I appreciate the intent of the class because history should never been forgotten, its symbols can be displayed discretely, not with 2ft. x 3ft. flags hanging next to a window. Sorry, but the teacher gets no sympathy from me.

seanjames

i appreciate that and it sounds like the teacher has no ill intent. however, i really do not see the value of having full sized flags like this hanging in the school. how does that possibly add to the lesson? did the school buy these flags or the teacher? if he or she is so sensitive to students not wanting to see the flag to jump through all the hoops you claim they do, then again, why even have it in the first place? why is a full sized flag of *any* kind at all necessary to teaching about the war?

vodalone

All very good points, and it doesn't seem there is a logical explanation at this point.

Black-Frog

Reading about the Holocaust all day has no impact, but going to the museums, now that is what people remember. Holding a flag that has caused the death of millions, to try and figure out why an entire country was duped into believing a lie with a symbol that (if slanted sideways a bit) means peace, that’s learning. It’s up close, history in your face moment.

llrowse

The symbol originally represented the sun, and the power of the sun god.

Thewheelone

I was a public educator for 33 years, taught US History, Government and was a resource teacher in 3 different schools. I cannot think that having that flag in my classroom would do anything to enhance my students' learning. I also sponsored holocaust speakers in my school and would shudder to think how these people who lived through the evil of that flag would have felt if they saw it anywhere in my school. There is no reason for that banner to be anywhere but in a fire pit. The teacher does not need to be fired but owe the public an explanation and apology.

llrowse

You can’t possibly see the importance of displaying the flag, teaching the history behind it, and connecting it to present popular culture? It’s sad that you educated our youth for 33 years, and can’t understand the correlation between these important aspects. If I were you, I wouldn’t share this monumentally ignorant opinion.

Thewheelone

Thanks for your kind words and thoughts, llrowse. Peace be with you

seanjames

please do enlighten us on how "teaching the history behind it, and connecting it to present popular culture" requires hanging a large nazi flag in the classroom

llrowse

It’s a visual aid. It inspires students to ask questions. Other students who are not enrolled in the class, but have that teacher for another class will undoubtedly ask about it. The instructor will have the opportunity to explain the history of the flag, the Nazis, WWII, and its correlation to today’s popular culture. Wait...... No, no..... it’s better to leave people in ignorance. Right?

seanjames

ah yes that classic dichotomy of "having a large nazi flag hanging in a classroom vs. living in ignorance" whatever will we choose

llrowse

Well, Sean, we know which one you’ve chosen.

llrowse

You eviscerated that teacher. Playing victim doesn’t work. The History Channel be with you.

Rockfish

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llrowse

Thanks so much for explaining the purpose of the class, the curriculum, and the approach of the teacher. It truly speaks volumes when a former student steps up in defense of a teacher. So many people immediately reach for pitchforks and torches when a teacher, and/or a school are involved in an error. It’s truly best to wait for an explanation before assuming the worst.

shiftless88

I am fine with that, BUT this flag is hanging in the window and all the people walking by did not see or sign this permission slip.

gabrielshorn2013

Thank you for the explanation JFritz. As a truly in-depth study of the issues leading up to WWII, and the war itself, and not just some PC gloss-over, some very disturbing and adult themes are discussed in this class, including the camps, and the indoctrination of an entire country. It was an elective as you say, and nobody forced anyone to take it.

bravy

Nevertheless ,please tell me the need to hang full size flags of every country participating in WW2! Smaller versions would have made the point without offending anyone! Bad judgement!

gabrielshorn2013

So bravy, size matters? As I stated above, does everyone here, clutching their pearls, have the same reaction to the "Rising Sun" flag of the Empire of Japan (which btw, is still used today as the official emblem of Japan)? Japan conducted horrific atrocities against the Chinese and Koreans, murdering millions. Most estimates exceed those of the Holocaust. I can't wait to see all of these PC complainers with their hair ablaze the next time they see a Japanese flag.

jloo

One..Two..Three..let's all overreact now!!

Captain Yossarian

I wish there was a like button...

bravy

Overreact! There is a full size Nazi Flag hanging in a window of a Frederick County High School and you think were overreacting!

gabrielshorn2013

in a word...yes.

Captain Yossarian

We definitely need a full-sized Nazi flag to teach the WWII history in our public schools.

Just can't be done without it.

seanjames

exactly. the post above claims that the teacher is extremely sensitive to this issue and jumps through multiple hoops to make sure it's not offending anyone but....then why bother? it's completely unnecessary to have these flags and could only possibly lead to something like this where someone sees this out of context. if the teacher truly does have noble intentions, then they are extremely short-sighted

TINAE

You got that right! Not needed at all. SMH

vodalone

There are two parts to this. First, why was this particular flag so blatantly displayed in the window location? There were obviously other flags around it which clearly are not as offensive (an Italian fascist era flag to the left, and what looks like a Polish flag next to that). WHY WAS THE NAZI FLAG CHOSEN TO BE IN THE WINDOW SO IT CAN BE VISIBLE TO THE OUTSIDE?

Second, what is the point of having a large Nazi flag in the first place? There are resources online which can easily educated the students on what it looked like in its various forms. There are also smaller flags that can be used as part of some presentation, ones that can easily be put away when not in use.

This is clearly unacceptable in a multitude of ways, I for one will be doing my best this story does not disappear and will make it to the national headlines and your morning shows across the nation.

#albanresignnow

llrowse

Students need to see this flag, and connect it to the horrific ideas, and actions behind it. We see the Nazi symbol drawn, spray painted, printed on clothing, and tattooed on the body. Young people need to understand the symbol as it connects to Nazi Germany, and that it’s not a cool thing to wear. There’s no need to call for anyone’s resignation, or to fire them. It is necessary to educate students regarding Nazis, and WWII. History can be unbearably ugly. History will repeat itself in the face of an uneducated public.

vodalone

Educating this generation about Nazi's is important, but it shouldn't be done with a large Nazi flag which is left hanging in a classroom over the weekend for people outside to see. It adds absolutely nothing to education on the topic.

gabrielshorn2013

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newspostreader

vodalone - Because someone broke into his room and did this. The flag was not placed there by the teacher. This article is only half of the situation and the FNP owes it to this teacher to write a FULL article, not a half-baked one.

vodalone

IF that is the case, and that's a strong IF at this point because you don't know the facts either, there is still no need for such a large Nazi flag to be used to teach a history lesson. There are so many resources out there these days for educators that they don't have to keep a 2'x3' Nazi flag in a classroom.

bravy

I agree with all you have said.

Lev928

All of the corrupt people that want to erase history, yet many LIVE in and around the area that was the virtual hear of the American Civil War. Now they'll still trying to erase history, this time from yet another war that occurred when they weren't even alive. As stated in the article, the flag is used as part of a class. Maybe all of you negative thinkers should attend that class and learn about history instead of trying to change it.

seanjames

there's a difference between remembering history and celebrating it. since you've decided to conflate this with the confederate statues -- would you support statues of hitler be erected around the country? you know, to "remember"?

gabrielshorn2013

Seanjames, would you consider forcing the Japanese change their flag, that was in use before WWII and still is, after all, they killed more Chinese, Korean, Malaysian, etc. POWs than in the Holocaust?

thump1202

National Socialist Workers Party rearing it's ugly head. But democratic socialism is so different isn't it? Wrong. Socialism is evil in all of its varieties.

seanjames

nazis were not socialists. they killed socialists. the peom everyone likes to quote out of context to make idiotic points literally starts "First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out..." anyone who claims the nazis were socialists is only revelaing that they are not a serious person and their opinions should not be taken seriously. period.

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Quisling

The Nazi's were a right wing authoritarian regime that view Jews and the Soviet Union as their true enemies. https://jacobinmag.com/2019/02/antisemitism-judaism-bolsheviks-socialists-conspiracy-theories

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seanjames

explain how nazi germany was at all socialist, please. i mean other than the name. because if we're taking dictatorial regimes at their word, then you must also believe that north korea is a "democratic republic" right? i mean, it's right there in the name!!

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thump1202

To start,the Nazis party was outright socialist when Hitler joined, he then eliminated the anti capitalist elements and went on to become chancellor. Socialists were a threat to his power and he acted strongly against socialist elements in Germany. However, in 1936 Hitler enacted a series of price and wage controls that effectively eliminated market forces from functioning normally. This was the form Hitler's socialism took in Nazi Germany. It wasn't open socialism akin to Bolshevik socialism in the USSR but it was a case of the government controlling the means of production until Hitler was defeated.

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seanjames

so...they were socialist until hitler took over and made them no longer socialist? but even that is not exactly correct, because there was already a party (the social democratic party) that was socialist in the sense of how we would understand someone like, say, bernie sanders. and they were the fiercest opponents of the nazis from the start

the nazis were opportunistic fear-mongers and would use whatever language suited them at any given time in order to scapegoat jews and immigrants. some people associated these groups with socialists (particularly rural people who abhorred the cosmopolitan elite [sound familiar?!]), but other folks associated them with capitalism (the "jew banker" stereotype, for instance). but ultimately, the party can be judged not by its words, but by its actions. and in action they were not ever anywhere near socialist, but fascists

threecents

Thump, You are reminding me of Trump and his weather map.

threecents

Thump, Seanjames is correct. Nazis put socialist in concentration camps.

Frayou

Total ignorance. Don’t really understand why educators needs this prop to educate students about this evil period in history. So many people died fighting this evil.

MRS M

Ignorance. Stupidity. Lack of understanding and empathy. And the "educator" who hung this is teaching history?

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duffy5x

Google images wouldn't have caused this problem. Perhaps if you came out of your bunker you'd know that.

MRS M

Forgive me. I should have also added shamelessly "clueless".

MRS M

.......and a complete and total embarrassment to the FCPS system, and Frederick, too, for anyone looking upon this from outside our community. But, in the end, that really is the least of it. What is more disturbing, as demonstrated today, is the willingness to continue to defend the indefensible, whether originating through a mistake, an oversight, or out of complete ignorance. Now lets all resume the dialogue and defense regarding "the good people on both sides"............marching in Charlottesville with torches lit, chanting "Jews will not replace us"....circa 1930 Germany. Oh....sorry......only a "snowflake" would find that reprehensible and ugly, correct?

vodalone

Sadly, these events show how far Frederick Co. still has to go to be considered a tolerant and safe area. It's very very slowly creeping away from that Fredneck label, but not nearly at the pace it should be going.

llrowse

There are continual incidents throughout United States schools, which involve the Swastika, and the Confederate flag. School Districts handle it. The first thing to do when you see a young person displaying the Swastika, is to ask if they can explain the meaning, and history of the symbol. The typical response is a blank stare. Doggone this teacher, who would be so bold as to show the Nazi flag, teach the history behind it, and the history of WWII. I’m sure this teacher was heretical enough to connect the outcome of WWI, how it carried us into WWII, and the scapegoating of the Jewish people. Simple solution to leaving the Nazi flag displayed? The Principal explains to the teacher that leaving the flag displayed wasn’t a good idea, and not to do it again. Problem solved.

And people wonder why there is a vast shortage of teachers, and that enrollment in teaching programs has dropped dramatically.

gabrielshorn2013

Ilrowse, agreed. [thumbup]. What do they say about the Japanese flag?

mr_twist27

It's an inanimate object that is used as a teaching aid. People need to grow up and calm down, it's not a big deal. A simple conversation with the teacher to tell him not to hang it in the window would have sufficed.

shiftless88

I am assuming you are no Jewish. It never should have been hung in the window for those outside the classroom to see.

User1

Sorry Shiff it was NEVER hung in the window. Get your facts straight. It was “observed” thru a window.

vodalone

Same thing. When you hang something next to a window it's visible to the outside. Common sense.

duffy5x

Gee, why is that photo of a flag HANGING in the window then?

seanjames

lol, there's a picture in the article of it literally hanging in a window. yall don't even bother coming up with plausible lies anymore

shiftless88

Hey User1; please look at the accompanying photograph with the article that shows this flag hanging in the window. According to the normal usage of that term, something does not have to be physically attached to the window. As seanjames says; the lies and gaslighting are such that it is like you all aren't even trying to pretend otherwise.

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collinsm65

Idiot.

KellyAlzan

This is uncalled for,

Alban Must resign immediately.

Rockfish

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KellyAlzan

Why is this news?

duffy5x

That fact that you don’t understand why it is, in fact news, says volumes.

butterflygirl

No where in this article does it mention that the classroom was vandalized and the flag was moved to that window.

Thewheelone

I cannot imagine any adult or even some students in that building not calling out that teacher for this act of stupidity.

User1

How would you teach about Nazi germany? “Some people did something to someone”? No wonder people rather erase history than learn from it.

thump1202

I would teach it as the atrocity that it was and use it as a lesson in morality that our modern society is severely lacking in.

seanjames

please explain how displaying these giant flags is in any possible way necessary to teaching about WW2. i'll wait

Thewheelone

Well User, I did teach history in a public school for many years. There are plenty of visuals that I used on many occasions. I used a photo of that flag at the start of the WW2 unit with other photos and artifacts from that time period as conversation starters to assess my students' prior knowledge of the subject, then have a discussion about the responses. A photo of this flag would be passed from student to student with perhaps 20 others and the kids would have 15 or 20 seconds to write down one or two words about that object or photo then pass it on to the next kid. Included in those photos were photos from concentration camps and other scenes from the war. That's how you can use that flag. How have you used it in a classroom, User?

vodalone

As a history teacher you would be okay with leaving a 2'x3' Nazi flag hanging next to a window in a lit classroom over the weekend? What is that hanging flag teaching to people passing by? Who is providing context to the flags presence just hanging there?

These are just some of the questions the teacher of this class at TJHS should answer.

User1

Having been a military dependent and attending Heidelberg American HS in the 60’s I learned all about it. I also learned all about it while stationed in the 70’s in Stuttgart and in the late 70’s in the divided city of Berlin. My teachers used it extensively as a learning aid. But see, back then most everything didn’t offend everyone. What’s next? Dig up the graves at Olivet cemetery of all the confederate soldiers that died? It’s part of HISTORY! If there was a photo of Hitler next to it then yea, burn it down.

shiftless88

User1; One does not have to burn a cross in someone's yard to teach about the KKK

mamlukman

Exactly.

dirtorsoil

If you want to learn about the KKK, just take a drive up to Thurmont or Emmittsburg

awteam2000

Does anyone remember the fascist flag of Italy or the Imperial flag of Japan or the Vichy France flag under German control? All allies of NAZI Germany, all collaborators in human atrocities - all found guilty of “crimes against mankind” during WWII. Their leaders executed. We teach that in high school history classes, but I rarely see those flags in classes... But the ‘NAZI’ flag is so popular and trending up. Just sayin’ 🤷‍♂️

Blueline

The Japanese flag is virtually unchanged from WWII. I imagine both the Italian Fascist & Vichy flags are unknown because they were little used, and were not major forces in the war.

User1

What’s your point? If it was the “alphabet” people’s flag you’d be praising them for displaying it for educational purposes. Get a grip!

duffy5x

Ahhhh...there it is.

seanjames

"a flag that represents a genocide against oppressed people is exactly the same as one that represents acceptance of oppressed people. i am a very smart boy!"

-User1

vodalone

The Nazi's were solely responsible for the holocaust in Europe, kind of a big deal.

gabrielshorn2013

And Japan was responsible for more POW murders in Asia than in the Holocaust. What's your point?

thump1202

I agree with you here aw, that flag has no place in our society and we should show our revulsion for what it represents any time it reads its ugly head.

FCPS-Principal

Security video should show exactly what happened, and by whom. Or was it not working?

jwhamann

Say it like you mean it, Ms Alban. You sound very artificial.

User1

Absolutely!

llrowse

#calmdown

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