Chuck Jenkins

Sheriff Chuck Jenkins

ANNAPOLIS — The concerns of Maryland’s immigrant communities were aired Tuesday evening in hearings for two Senate bills reflecting opposite views on the roles state and county lawmakers should play in federal immigration enforcement.

As the Senate Judicial Proceedings Committee hearings were held, news alerts detailing new guidance for stricter immigration enforcement from the Trump administration trickled into the hearing room.

Frederick County Sen. Michael Hough’s bill would require state or local correctional facilities that are notified by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security that an inmate is subject to an immigration detainer to give Homeland Security at least 72 hours’ notice before the person is scheduled to be released.

The bill would also let correctional facilities hold inmates up to an additional 48 hours to allow Homeland Security to take them into custody.

At the same hearing, the committee considered the Maryland Law Enforcement and Governmental Trust Act from Sen. Victor Ramirez, a Prince George’s County Democrat. That bill aims to do the opposite of Hough’s bill, spelling out explicitly that local governments would not take part in federal immigration enforcement.

Ramirez’s bill includes language from “sanctuary community” policies that would require the state to attempt to limit immigration enforcement at public schools, hospitals and courthouses.

The bill hearings, held back-to-back, led to sharp exchanges between lawmakers and advocates for both of the measures.

Frederick County Sheriff Chuck Jenkins (R) testified in favor of Hough’s bill.

“This very simple common sense bill will vastly reduce, if not eliminate, the risk to any Marylander being the victim of a violent crime, or any fatal or serious vehicle crash by a convicted criminal alien who should not be walking our streets,” Jenkins wrote in a statement for the committee.

Other county sheriffs testified in favor of the bill, including those from Carroll, Harford and Wicomico counties.

Jenkins faced tough questions from committee members, including Sen. Robert Zirkin, D-Baltimore County.

The Frederick County Sheriff’s Office already has partnerships with the federal government, including the 287(g) program, which is named after a section of federal immigration law. The partnership lets trained deputies and correctional officers perform certain functions of immigration enforcement under oversight from the Department of Homeland Security and Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Since 2008, Frederick County has placed 1,444 ICE detainers on jail inmates; 1,299 of those inmates were placed into immigration proceedings by ICE.

Zirkin openly questioned whether local authorities — as required in Hough’s bill — should play a greater role in supporting such detainers when Trump administration officials said Tuesday they would expand immigration enforcement beyond targeted groups such as serious criminal offenders.

He was concerned that a person might be stopped for a traffic violation, arrested, questioned, become the subject of an ICE detainer and held in jail for up to two days for a relatively minor offense.

“The political winds seem to be changing right now. ... I think you’ve got to be a little bit concerned that what we’re talking about is not exactly a rapist or murderer anymore,” Zirkin said.

Under Hough’s bill, state and local correctional facilities would honor Homeland Security detainers the same way they would honor detainers from other federal agencies, such as the FBI or Drug Enforcement Administration.

Opponents argued that Homeland Security detainers are often civil, and not criminal.

Advocacy groups aligned themselves in similar positions in favor or against the two bills.

The Maryland Chiefs of Police Association and Maryland Sheriffs’ Association and other law enforcement representatives opposed Ramirez’s bill, which attracted the most testimony of the day.

His measure is supported by groups including the American Civil Liberties Union, the Maryland State Education Association, the Maryland Catholic Conference and the General Assembly’s black, Latino, and Asian-American and Pacific-Islander caucuses.

Some committee members questioned whether Ramirez’s bill took protections too far, including into unrealized hypotheticals such as government databases on members of certain religions. Other members remained strongly in support.

“I am frightened, given what I have lived through in the past, about what might happen in the future. ... What we are talking about now is not implausible at all,” said Democratic Sen. Delores G. Kelley, an 80-year-old black woman from Baltimore County who recalled the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II.

Ramirez’s bill is co-sponsored by Frederick County Sen. Ron Young, D-District 3, and four other members of the 11-member Judicial Proceedings Committee.

Follow Danielle E. Gaines on Twitter: @danielleegaines.

Danielle E. Gaines covers politics and government in Frederick County, splitting her time between Winchester Hall and The State House. Having grown up in Illinois, she lived in New York and California before settling in Maryland.

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As I've said, my primary concern is overpopulation and all of the resulting problems it causes.

Another concern is unemployment.

It is very straight-forward. Basic economics -- supply and demand.

If there are more potential workers/employees, they can be taken advantage of more easily. They will be willing to work for less.

That's an indisputable fact. Greater supply (of labor in this case) = lower price (hourly wage).

I understand that is good for a business person -- especially in certain industries like agriculture, construction, and landscaping. If I were an employer in one of those industries, I would want to have more potential employees. Heck, all employers would like to have a larger pool of potential employees to choose from.

As a matter of fact, my family did own a small business over in Carroll County back in the '70s, so I get that side of the issue.

However, an unemployed American citizen who cannot find work that pays more than $8 per hour will have a different perspective. The more people who apply for any job that person is qualified for, the less likely that they will be hired. And if they are able to find work the wages are depressed.

If the number of potential workers were reduced -- not with some Draconian dragnet but policies to make sure that all employees are indeed American citizens or legal residents -- pay would increase. People who would not bother to apply before would be motivated to work. If the pay was high enough, people would be willing to relocate.

I understand that employers do not want to pay a dime more than they have to -- but if ALL of the businesses in a given industry are in the same boat, then it is fair. Prices would increase, but the increase would be the same across the board. No one would have an unfair advantage.

My former workplace was unionized. That meant that we were paid a living wage and had what used to be normal/typical benefits: paid vacation and sick days; worker's comp (which actually protects the employer); a 457 plan; and a defined benefit pension. People came from literally all over the country and the world to work there (many of my former coworkers were recent immigrants).

Bottom line, paying a living wage and providing good benefits is the right thing to do. But an ethical employer cannot do that if their competitors can hire illegal immigrants and pay them minimum wage, or even less (cash under the table).

KellyAlzan

Many of the comments here give me an impression that all an employer needs to do is run a help wanted ad or hold a job fair and offer top dollar and benefits and the American applicants will flow in.

Been there. Done that. It doesn't work that way in a region where the skill of labor needed is non-existent. Rural areas such as areas out in Ohio, yes, the labor skill exists. But in the D.C. Metro area, it does not. Seldom do you see metrosexuals doing labor intensive jobs.

When was the last time you saw a 14 year old outside washing his parents car? When was the last time your kid washed your car? Picked up the dog waste? Weeded your flower beds?



I've been reading every post in this thread. There are several themes that continue to come up. One is that there are some jobs that "only illegal immigrants will do".

That statement is incomplete at best. It is more accurate to say, "There are some low-paying jobs with long hours and few if any benefits that only illegal immigrants will do."

That may be true, but why is the pay so low in the first place? Often, because employers are exploiting illegal immigrants!

As I said in my (l-o-n-g) post below:

"We constantly hear, 'But Americans won't do those jobs!'. Americans will do any job -- if the pay is fair and the benefits are decent."

The fact is, ANY job will be filled if the pay is good enough.

First of all, working must pay more than welfare. As it is, many people are better off on welfare than working full time for close to minimum wage.

If employers were required to hire only US citizens and/or legal residents, they might have to pay more, but the jobs would be filled.

A cynical person might conclude that some people are not as concerned with the welfare of illegal immigrants as they are with the price of goods and services.

Some services which are labor intensive would cost more -- maybe 50-100% more -- but goods like fast food would not be affected much. The portion of the cost of a burger that is attributable to labor is rather small, about 10% IIRC. So the pay could literally double, and the price of a $2 burger might increase by 20 cents.

KellyAlzan

I'm not trying to be demeaning. My personality in general is that I don't sugar coat :)

But some of your above comments are inaccurate. You are quick to dispel / correct some comments, but then your replacement comment is inaccurate. Saying employers exploit illegal immigrants to save money is an example.

That is not true in the Frederick D.C. Metro area.

What is your background with immigrant workers (legal and illegal)? Again, just being forthright, I believe you have no background. Am I right?

Market is what dictates pay. If it's a business saturated with competition, such as house cleaning and lawn mowing - the pay scale is less because the market dictates rates. Has nothing to do with "exploiting".

Have you ever been a blue collar employer? Have you ever ran a help wanted ad in search of hiring a key person?

As I have said over and over and over - when was the last time you saw a 14 yr old outside washing his parents car?

DisabledFrederickVeteran

While local law enforcement has been obsessed with illegals Frederick County has arguably become the rural heroin capital of America.

KarlBickel

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cldeboin

Seems to me somewhere I read " give me your tired and poor YEARNING TO BE FREE ". Does that not also mean freedom from paranoia and oppressive policies
and a police state ?

DisabledFrederickVeteran

In 2013 Frederick was one of 12 counties across the country identified as such by the Office of National Drug Control Policy and we still we have a significant heroin problem and an illegal alien infestation that's not progress that's regression.

User1

Have you read (in the FNP) where Md democratic delegates want to provide sanctuary illegal drug ingesting rooms? They want to have these rooms available for people to use illegal drugs without the fear of overdosing! There will be medical attendants available and they think the individuals insurance company will pay for this (with the users consent). Could anything be more asinine!!! That is not how to combat the opioid problem...education and treatment. Not carte blanche drug use.

DisabledFrederickVeteran

I agree we should allow them to expire like we do in Frederick County where the heroin rate is higher than PG County which is 70% black.

DisabledFrederickVeteran

The heroin death rate that is.

DisabledFrederickVeteran

According to the state of MD PG County with a population of nearly 1 million had 69 intoxcation deaths in 2015 and Frederick County with a population of nearly 250k had 40 intoxcation deaths.

phydeaux994

Care to share your source for that statement?

DisabledFrederickVeteran

http://bha.dhmh.maryland.gov/OVERDOSE_PREVENTION/Documents/2015%20Annual%20Report_revised.pdf

phydeaux994

Sorry DFV, my comment was meant for user1 about the drug rooms. I believe your stats.

User1

Can be found in both the Baltimore Sun and the Huffington Post. Sponsored by Delegate Dan Morhaim.

DisabledFrederickVeteran

Will tackling the illegal immigration problem get a handle on Frederick County's heroin epidemic?

KellyAlzan

not at all. illegal immigrants are here to work.

phydeaux994

Most of the stories I've read about those getting busted for heroin and other drugs have not involved Hispanics.

DisabledFrederickVeteran

While republican and democratic politicians have been rolling out the red carpet to immigrants the past 40 years legacy US middle class families have been imploding because they are impervious to American families economic plight. At some point we will wake up and stop bickering with each others and throw all these bums out and hire some new folks to MAGA!

DisabledFrederickVeteran

There are to many immigrants flowing into the the USA we clearly need to reduce the number of immigrants coming into the USA at 50k to 100k annually and those folks coming in should only be in STEM fields. American Christians are being marginalized and disenfranchised economically abandoned by the Congress and thier wealthy benefactors. Illegals and foreigners wouldn't be able to come in and steal American prosperity unless our politicians welcomed them in. MAGA

Quote from the article:

"Under Hough’s bill, state and local correctional facilities would honor Homeland Security detainers the same way they would honor detainers from other federal agencies, such as the FBI or Drug Enforcement Administration.

Opponents argued that Homeland Security detainers are often civil, and not criminal."

How about requiring state and local correctional facilities to honor only criminal Homeland Security detainers?

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Whenever the subject of immigration comes up, anyone who is not 100% supportive of those who are here illegally is immediately labeled a racist and/or a xenophobe.

That doesn't exactly foster an open conversation.

Several of my friends and immediate family members married (legal) immigrants. One of their spouses was here illegally initially, but he returned to his country of origin and we all wrote letters on his behalf in support of him being allowed to re-enter the US legally. He returned legally a few years ago and recently became a proud American citizen.

I despise racists. My primary concern with immigration -- one which is always swept under the rug -- is overpopulation. Big taboo subject.

Overpopulation is the root cause of almost all of the world's problems. The US is already severely overpopulated. Farmland is being paved over for housing, aquifers which supply fresh water for millions of people are steadily being depleted, etc, etc.

Locally, FredCo is being destroyed by sprawling residential growth. Schools are severely overcrowded. Traffic is insane -- because of overpopulation.

The "rule of holes" comes to mind.

Another serious issue is unemployment. Employers love illegal immigrants because they can exploit them. That's why the border is not more secure -- for any jobs that can't be shipped overseas, Big Business wants a ready supply of workers who will accept low pay, long hours, harsh treatment, and zero benefits. Their bribes -- I mean "campaign contributions" -- see to it that the border remains porous.

We constantly hear, "But Americans won't do those jobs!". Americans will do any job -- if the pay is fair and the benefits are decent.

Unemployment is high. Regardless of the party in power, gov't employment stats are always "optimistic" -- they don't count people who have given up looking for work, etc. Increased immigration (legal or illegal) means increased competition for those jobs -- which means employers can get away with offering lower pay and fewer benefits.

Those are facts. Labeling people who bring them up "racists" and "xenophobes" won't make them go away.

I wish the best for all involved. I do believe it is cruel (not to mention unrealistic) to consider some sort of 'dragnet' operation that would attempt to round up everyone in the country who is not here legally. The authorities should concentrate on illegal immigrants who have committed serious crimes -- particularly violent crime -- and leave the others alone.

We do need to have secure borders though -- both to control immigration and for national security. At the same time, it should be easy for those with proper documentation (work visas, etc) to cross.

Finally, we need to have a system whereby employers can quickly and easily determine the immigration status of a job applicant. Then employers will have no excuses, and can be fined for hiring illegal immigrants -- because jobs are the big draw.

sfhaydel

I appreciate your comments. While we may disagree on many points, you make your points in a reasonable, intelligent way that does not offend people. Bravo to you.

KarlBickel

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phydeaux994

There are two sides to this issue and one of them is ignored. One must accept the premise that these workers are NEEDED by American employers. If you accept that premise, as I do, then the obvious solution is to find a way to let them come into the Country to work. If you don't, then the obvious solution is to take away the jobs and give them to American workers. The illegal aliens will go back home. And that is the solution for Donald Trump and millions more, many of them in this County. Which do you want?

User1

Maybe another way is to expedite the applications of those waiting legally in line to come in. The problem is that these people don't want to wait in line the legal way, they want it now!! We should be rewarding those that are patiently waiting, legally. And not reward those that snuck in under the fence.

phydeaux994

Many of the illegal aliens still have their families back home. They don't necessarily want to be American citizens, they just want jobs so they can send money back home. They can't afford to wait years to come in legally. That's why a guest worker plan makes sense.

KarlBickel

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KellyAlzan

Illegal immigrants are not "needed by employers", they're needed by the general population.

If we lost the illegal immigrants there would be chaos. MoCo, fairfax, prince William, pg counties would be paralyzed. And there would be severe economic consequences all the way down to local, county, and state and state governments due to loss in real estate taxes, and income taxes. (This is just a short statement, don't have time to explain in detail)

Really, the United States has more important issue to contend with. And so does Chuck Jenkins. We have a serious heroin problem, and he's making a fuss about Raul and Adan who wake up to reports ronwork every morning at 6 am for 10-12 hours per day.

User1

Do you really think that there are that many illegals here that their absence would "paralyze" us? Did it seem "paralyzed" when they all walked out of work earlier this week? Traffic was better. Illegals are not needed. Hard working honest people are what's needed. There are plenty of people on welfare who should be filling most of these jobs if not for all the easy benefits handed out. A lot of deadbeats around who would rather collect unemployment than flip burgers or cut grass. We need to fix the system where not working for a living is no longer a way of life.

KellyAlzan

Do I "think"?? No, I don't "think". I KNOW.

and you said "here". Not sure where "here" is. I specifically stated a *region*

DisabledFrederickVeteran

Maybe if Americans who appear to be immigrants get government issues 'tattoos' they won't be subjected to deportation.

User1

If you are an American your Are Not Subject to deportation no matter what you look like. Try it again.

DisabledFrederickVeteran

Are you really suggesting that Americans have never used racial profiling to investigate a potential crime?

DisabledFrederickVeteran

Born in the USA with a real birth certificate I severed my nation with honor and after returning disabled my citizenship was questioned either I was to Christian or I was Maryland.

User1

Say that again, slowly in English.

phydeaux994

I think that DFV's spell check changed some words. Mine does that and I don't always check it. Annoying.

DisabledFrederickVeteran

I apologize a roadside bomb did some serious damage to me and I have often have difficulty constructing my thoughts. It's not my English it was my love for America that causes my incoherent writing I apologize to you if I offended you and anyone else.

User1

No offense taken fellow vet. Just pulling your chain.

DisabledFrederickVeteran

I'm not in chains yet but it's not like y'all haven't tired.

vodalone

This is very simple really. As per the US Constitution local and state law enforcement is not responsible for enforcing federal immigration law. DHS has established ICE just for that reason, to enforce immigration law within the US. If they cannot do their job and remove whomever they prioritize, that's on them. That being said, if local law enforcement arrests, prosecutes, and convicts a person who is in the country illegally then upon release he should be deported. A hard line should be drawn however. If a local police officer pulls over a person and they have valid documentation in terms of DL, insurance, registration, etc. but they suspect he's in the country illegally for whatever reason then it should proceed just like any other stop and immigration status should not be questioned by the local law enforcement officer based on some hunch or worse based on profiling. If there is one thing we know is that when you allow too broad of discretion to law enforcement it never ends well.

sfhaydel

That is my concern - Trump's plan will lead to increases in profiling. I have a Arabic first and middle name and look Hispanic ( I'm black). Let them stop me and ask my immigration status. They'll get an earful!

KellyAlzan

LOL yeah! I have a friend that is 100% Native American. Grew up on a reservation. He looks Native American. But rednecks always assume he is Hispanic, and ask him if he speaks English!

KarlBickel

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servar1

If anyone is breaking the law is the employers that hire Illegal immigrants, so why doesn’t the Sheriff start detaining illegal employers first…? No jobs to illegal immigrants = no illegal immigrants entering in the USA…

phydeaux994

Because many of the employers are his buddies. They love the illegal aliens when they're working, it's just when they leave their jobs they want them to disappear.

KellyAlzan

Explain how employers are breaking "the law". How is an "employer"to know who is legal And who isn't?

So many opinions whenever and wherever this topic comes up. Yet, the majority opposed to illegal immigration truely know very little on the matter.

Employers are required to see necessary documents. Most will photo copy and keep on file. Along with federal form I-9. After that is done - the employer has done their legal duty.

Oh, and E-verify. That's nothing but a digitized I-9 form. And, e-verify is only as good as the new hire is honest. In other words, if I'm an illegal immigrant, all I have to do is use my legal brother' or my legal cousin's credentials; and I'm hired. E-verify sounds so fancy, but it's deficient I'm accuracy due to the example I just stated.

How can you tell if one is Methodist or Brethren? How can you tell ones sexuality? How can you tell if someone was an orphan? YOU CAN'T. So why do you feel employers have magic powers to know who is legal and who isn't?

Let me remind you, that a police force, I believe in the north west, actually employed an illegal immigrant As a police officer. A police agency with all the background checks was even fooled. This is a true story, I suggest you do an internet search if you do not believe me

servar1

E-verify work…! I have hear lots of excuses from unethical and greedy employers that blame the system as no to pay the $10 thousand fines, is the penalty for hiring an undocumented worker—congress has reduced funding for many agencies from the IRS to the labor department, so few federal enforcement and inspectors to insure the health and safety of the American people…

User1

Agree they should fine employers that "knowingly" employ illegal undocumented aliens. With so many using fake ssn and ids they do have a challenge. Should they be liable if later its found out the ids were fake?

KellyAlzan

employers still, do not have magical ability.

We live in a society that instantly wants to blame blame blame. Look at our current federal govt, blame blame blame.

Bottom line - immigrants, legal, and illegal are here to stay. And they are needed. Our youth are no longer raised with blue collar work ethics.

If you don't like the existence of illegal immigrants - then teach your kids the importance of hard work and labor and teach them a trade.

User1

They'd still come over for the free healthcare, dropping babies for citizenship, and other freebies. Can you cite what law specifically states not to hire illegals? Was told it was illegal to specifically ask someone if they were here legally.

elymus43

Isn't the armed forces supposed to defend our borders??????????????

phydeaux994

I think it's not allowed to have military act as police except the National Guard can be activated under special circumstances, riots, natural disasters, etc.

MAVRICKinc7

Only in times of WAR. At what depth-con security level are we at this moment? Have we been warned America is in danger of being invaded any time soon? What is it about the term RANDOM, that Trump keeps using as a fear tactic, don't you comprehend or understand.

Hasn't Trump designed the ultimate MUSLIM solution, just as Hitler and the Third Reich developed their Jewish Solution? What do you believe, when it comes to the point of REPEATING HISTORY over and over again until the LIE becomes your foundation for the TRUTH, but REMAINS a LIE don't you comprehend.

How many LIES does Trump have to make up, on a daily basis, before you start to regarding his LIES as a truth you can adopt in your own thinking? Simply said, WE have the obligation to defend our borders, not the armed forces. We're not under attack, or has that notion not occurred to you as yet?

User1

Name one time that Trump mention mass killing of Muslims? You are the fake news! You perpetuate the lies!! It's the simpleminded "snowflakes" that can't comprehend not having their way. And how the heck can they compare a soldiers ptsd to them after losing the election. Please....get into the real world!

Boyce Rensberger

Jenkins has given himself more stripes and medals than a Soviet general. Why he even outshines his idol, Joe Arpaio, now booted out of office and facing a criminal contempt trial.

shiftless88

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hayduke2

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awteam2000

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phydeaux994

Ditto

DickD

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KarlBickel

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jerseygrl42

we are a country of rules and laws, and LEGAL immigrants have NOTHING to fear, in fact we allow more into this country every year than any other country in the world...illegal aliens have broken our laws to get here and must be returned and get on line and the ones who come here to commit crimes must NEVER be allowed back...how many Kate Steinle's must we endure

Boyce Rensberger

The U.S. ranked about 40th in the proportion of immigrants (including those without papers) to natives in 2015. And we are the third largest population in the world, outranked only by China and India. So even a relatively large immigrant populations spreads out pretty sparsely.

tmulliganjr

Why argue...your an idiot..illegal is illegal..bottom line

KellyAlzan

It doesn't work quite work like that mulligan.

But feel free to support deportation. To the tune of $14,500 per individual. Who will simply return 2 weeks later. Also known as a "free vacation", compliments of me and you, U.S. Tax payers.

And something else - where isnthe money going to come from to begin with?

Boyce Rensberger

It's a civil offense, not a criminal offense. No worse than exceeding the speed limit. Have you, tmulliganjr, ever done that? Illegal is illegal.

Speeding endangers others; coming into the U.S. without a visa does not. And, please, spare us the discredited claim that undocumented immigrants are more likely to commit real crimes than natives. They are not.

KellyAlzan

Mulligan, when your uncle wAs layer off
From his job, and his friend from church gave him a job helping lay tile
Flooring and paid him cash - that was illegal too. It was illegal to work while collecting unemployment benefits. It was also illegal because your uncle did not report the income he earned while helping lay tile. And illegal for your uncle's buddy from church to not report the wages, not file an I-9 form, and not file the MD New Hire Form.

DickD

Nasty, nasty!

hayduke2

mulliigan - can you argue in a civil manner?

DickD

It is hard to recognize someone that is here illegally and they do have rights.
http://blog.chron.com/immigration/2008/03/fact-check-illegal-immigrants-have-legal-rights/

First, is there any evidence that community with a high number of immigrants have moire crime than communities without a high number of immigrants. The evidence below indicates crime is a result of not having employment; not immigration.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/apr/28/immigration-impact-crime

Places that had attracted large numbers of eastern European immigrants enjoyed a "significant fall in property crime", a category of offence that also includes theft and shoplifting. The report, to be published later this year in Harvard University's Review of Economics and Statistics, also found that the relationship between the arrival of thousands of foreigners and levels of violence was "close to zero and insignificant".

Brian Bell, a research fellow at the London School of Economics, said: "The view that foreigners commit more crime is not true. The truth is that immigrants are just like natives: if they have a good job and a good income they don't commit crime."


Does someone coming into the U.S. have legal rights? If coming here for legal immigration they are granted a green card. If coming here to work or go to school temporarily they get a temporary visa. And there are some cosignatories the U.S. waives visa from.

Temporary visas include: ".......... K-1 visa for fiancés, the B-1 and B-2 business and tourist visas, the H-1B, H-2B, and H-3 visas for temporary specialty or agricultural workers, the L-1 visa for intracompany transferees, the E-1 and E-2 visas for treaty traders and investors, the F-1 and M-1 visas for students, the J-1 visa for exchange visitors and scholars, and the O, P, or R visas for temporary workers, as well as how to get a green card through a family member, through the Diversity Visa Lottery, or as an asylee or refugee."No matter what eligibility category you fall into -- whether you've married a U.S. citizen, received a job offer, or been accepted to a school -- the United States has the right to say no. And not just because there's something wrong with your application. The immigration law contains a list of things, like crimes and certain diseases, that makes someone inadmissible."
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Illegals do have rights: "Nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the law."

phydeaux994

Great comment DickD, I hope everyone here reads it.

phydeaux994

How can you tell the difference?

DickD

Apparently, you cannot read or comprehend, tmulliganjr, because all were included in the above (illegals, legals and how to obtain citizenship).

Boyce Rensberger

Good comment. The anti-immigrants clearly don't know the Constitution, however much they bleat about the Second Amendment. It does not apply only to citizens. It applies to "any person."

KellyAlzan

The anti immigrants know nothing about the system other than the words "illegal" and "legal".

But it's ok for them to have worked for cash under the table 13 years ago when they needed miney

User1

I suppose you'd let anyone and everyone enter? Laws are for a reason, quotas are set for a reason. If you want to "sponsor an immigrant" then why don't you? And the longer you stay here under the radar doesn't make you legal or justify you being made legal. If you pull the same stuff in Asia, Europe or the Far East your behind would be in jail. As a Army retiree having served in these areas YES I have seen it!

KellyAlzan

When someone brings up moot points, that's when I realize we're at two different intelligence levels. asia, Europe, and whatever else you mentioned have nothing to do with the topic.

KarlBickel

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DisabledFrederickVeteran

Its costs about 1K a week for a decent in home person to care for loved one or 4K a month to live in a decent assisted living home without illegals in there USA expect these prices to soar.

b1sellers

Closer to 7k a month at an assisted living facility

KellyAlzan

And it's gonna cost more if the illegals are gone.

User1

Are you really trying to say that illegals are the backbone of nursing homes, extended care facilities and the such? That they are the ones coming into your homes and taking care of your loved ones? I don't think so! When I checked for my 84 year old father I found out that they had to be licensed, bonded and vetted by the company. Oh, and they also had to speak English! Check your facts or cite your references before saying that illegals have taken over the majority of jobs. Maybe your confusing illegals with immigrants.

DickD

DFV name one assisted living home that only charges 4 k a month. From what I can tell they are all about 7 k or more, per month.

ehpercy

"“This very simple common sense bill will vastly reduce, if not eliminate, the risk to any Marylander being the victim of a violent crime, or any fatal or serious vehicle crash by a convicted criminal alien who should not be walking our streets,” Jenkins wrote" Ok, Chuck, valid point but how much of the crime and the vehicular fatalities/accidents are caused by criminal aliens? Wouldn't our limited resources be better spent elsewhere to affect the overall numbers versus a very small subset?

Speaking of resources, not once has been brought up, either locally or nationally, how much this will cost us, the taxpayers, for this folly.

Dwasserba

What I got stuck on was the idea of causing a fatal or serious crash..."while walking our streets." Surely that would not turn out well for the walker either... how confusing our cliches must be for the non-native born

KellyAlzan

And how bout drew Peterson in Ohio. The cop who killed his wives and girlfriends? And is still walking the streets

DickD

ehpercy - We will find out, especially the farmers in Alabama, Georgia and California. Watch the prices of food go up or we will import more of it.

Samanthapowers

chuck is looking to cut loose again and unleash his dogs to threaten and scare everyone. be wary, citizens.

TINAE

Right! SMH!

phydeaux994

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Reader1954

start fining the people hiring the illegals.

KellyAlzan

Start suspending licenses of those that voted for 45

TINAE

Its a shame!! Donald doesn't like latinos, blacks, spanish, muslims or Jews! And he has surround himself with such people like himself! Next it will be black people! And for him to visit the African Museum just for a photo op, while standing with Ben was nothing but a slap in our faces! He said: We did a good thing by bringing on Ben!! Donald we just had a Black President!!!

tonyc51

Exaggerate much?[[lol]

User1

"Slap in our faces"? Now who's racist? Yea, we just had Obama for the last 8 years and look at the immigration problems he caused by not enforcing the laws!

awteam2000

User1

Trump said he's only doing what Obama did by deporting more illegal immigrants then any other President.

And at the same time, Trump says Obama was weak on immigration.

Which con works for you?

phydeaux994

http://fusion.net/story/252637/obama-has-deported-more-immigrants-than-any-other-president-now-hes-running-up-the-score/.......read this user1, educate yourself!

rpkrauss

Obama deported more people than any other president in US history (two million). The numbers of undocumented immigrants fell during his tenure (most attribute this to the Great Recession).

User1

Where were all the protests then? Where was all the outrage? He also pardoned more felons then the last 5 presidents before him...combined! Even some with gun violations! And some of those "poor misunderstood" people are already back in jail!

hayduke2

Come on user 1 - at least make believable fake news and alternative facts....

TINAE

He is just making himself feel good to himself. Even if its fake news.

User1

I was mistaken, it was more computations than the last 13 presidents combined. A total of 1,927 by 1/20/17. Check yourself on the Depart of Justice website and Wikipedia, to name a few sources. Unless you consider the justice Department "fake news".

TINAE

There are MUCH BIGGER problems than illegal immigrants here in this USA!!!!

lilman44

Pretty simple actually, if your here illegally its a crime, you need to be sent packing. And don't whine and cry about leaving your love ones or the children you made while living here and breaking the law, take them with you. Problem solved, next.

Samanthapowers

when you talk on your phone while driving, do not come to a full stop at a sign, or do not stop at a cross walk can we send you packing?

User1

If your here illegally sure! But I'm sure you break the law all the time. When are people going to understand that the law is the law...for everyone. No excuse.

DickD

The way Trump's order is written, I think so.

wind chaser

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FASTHDPAT

What part of ILLEGAL don't they understand! With the "sanctuary" mentality I guess it would be OK to break into someones home.

MAVRICKinc7

HYPERBOLE or HYPOTHETICAL?

DisabledFrederickVeteran

The US isn't a refugee camp for the worlds economically downtrodden and politically oppressed. America has its own problems a 21 trillion debt, 75% of Americans aren't contributing to their retirement savings, 60% of Americans don't have $500 for an emergency and 100 million Americans require a government subsidy to pay for their healthcare, groceries or rent. US Household debt is nearly at an all-time high and consumer loans defaults are starting to increase. The US faces unprecedented economic headwinds which will require austerity from all Americans at a time Americans are barely scrapping by. In other words Congress needs to get our economic house in order before we start inviting guests over.

tonyc51

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guinivere

I am not in favor of illegal immigration, but I fail to see how spending millions to detain and deport illegal immigrants is going to enable me to add more money to my savings account. How will it enable suppliers to lower the cost of my groceries, DFV?

DisabledFrederickVeteran

Maybe if we stop locking up poor people for non violent crimes they can get back to picking fruit, apples and participating in the trades instead of rotting in prison. Maybe if Congress starts investing in struggling Americans instead of the wealthy we will not have to import millions of foreigners and lock up millions of non violent Americans. MAGA.

TINAE

Amen to that!!!!

User1

It's sure a lot less than what it's costing us in legal fees, benefits, healthcare and other services spent on illegals. Maybe charge a tax for sending all those millions in dollars back home to Mexico or El Salvador. Earn it here...spend it here!

tonyc51

Quin, sometimes it not all about the money, sometime it is about doing what is right.

MAVRICKinc7

AND, which side of RIGHT are you referring to? Your version or the scripted messaging of the Republican mindset?

KellyAlzan

Deporting will cost you more. Milk will be higher. HOA and condo fees will be higher. The new roof your home needs - will be higher. And no, not clause illegals work for less, but because Americans cost employers money by calling in sick, not showing up, and or not being productive.

(The average Latino works for no less than $17 per hr today, in the Frederick market)

DickD

Kelly, I am not sure what it is, but would be willing to bet it averages around 12 or 13 per hour.

MAVRICKinc7

This is some of the reasoning why business and construction NEED the illegals and foreign aliens, whose WORK ETHIC far exceeds that of their white counter parts. You're a builder so what's not in your bottom line and profit agendas that doesn't include CHEAP LABOR?

KellyAlzan

Dick - the dishwashers in the Frederick area are usually paid around $13 per hr. The construction laborers demand as I previously mentioned. Whats happening is the latinos know that if they don't do the work - no one is doing the work.

The concept that immigrants (legal and illegal) working for beans is a myth from the past. Not true at all today.

Whatsup

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wind chaser

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User1

[thumbup][thumbup] that's why a lot of people are upset that the "gravy train" is going to end and that their entitlement of not working for benefits will change. Need to cut back expenses and the place to start are "freebies". Should also look at all the foreign aid that's given out for no good reason other than "to offset aid given to country X".

awteam2000

Where's the humanity?

Picture the holding camps with thousands of people stripped from their love ones waiting to be deported. Think of all the children without parents trying to survive on their own in a hostile environment.

Will the guards wear brown shirts?

Aslan19

Enjoy your delusional ideas.... . No one is advocating this scenario and saying that it is going to happen is nothing more than hyperbole and a conversion killer

User1

Yea, and don't forget tha swastikas! People are idiots...send the children with them. Should change the citizenship laws so at least ONE parent has to be legal. And for people to compare enforcing the law to internment camps when we were at war is nonsense. And to compare the illegal returned to Mexico because she was illegal and convicted of two counts of identity theft to Rosa Parks is totally ridiculous. Last I heard...Rosa Parks was not an illegal or a convicted felon. She was a remarkable woman who stood up for her LEGAL rights.

DickD

The comparison to the Japanese internment camps is actually a good one as the Japanese were U.S. citizens and treated worse than the illegals that we have in the country today. If you know any Japanese people you also know they are very polite, non complaining and law abiding.

MAVRICKinc7

Apparently, Trump is in the business of supplying at least 15 thousand more BROWN SHIRTS to control our nations fear of itself. If Hitler could pull this off 80 years ago, why would we expect Trump to do anything less?

DisabledFrederickVeteran

I am frustrated that politicians and law enforcement haven't gone after the real source that's attracting millions of illegals immigrants to America. Greedy and wealthy job creators who have cut and run on the America worker and who rather exploit illegals and employ foreigners than give a legacy American an opportunity to put food on their table. It's obvious to me politicians would rather lock up non violent poor black and white Americans and hire foreigners to MAGA.

KellyAlzan

You don't think mom and dad paying people to mow the lawn instead of having junior do it, has anything to do with the sharp demand for immigrant labor??

Chuck Jenkins is guilty of raising lazy kids. He pays outsiders to do their dirty work.

Society. The deficient American labor supply has nothing to do with employers. The 80's are a thing of the past

Aslan19

I I don't think that you can draw a straight line of correlation between the two, but there is some sort of relationship there. Another issue is the idea of a lot of people that they should get CEO level pay for doing mail room level work. I would point to the propensity of our government to give handouts with no strings attached as a significant reason for this attitude.

KellyAlzan

You're right about wanting CEO pay. But you're missing the point I am making. Work ethics do not start at age 25. They start in elementary school. Instilled into minds. When was the last time you saw neighbors all chipping in and helping to reroof each other's house's? When was the last time you heard a 17 yr old say he's waking at 4 am to go milk cows? When was the last time you saw a 13 yr old outside washing his parents cars?

The Amish don't have a labor shortage. Work ethics are instilled from the day they're born

User1

Then change the laws!!! Illegal is illegal, no ifs ands or buts! Do you mow your yard, trim your trees? Maybe the sheriff has more important things to do...like enforcing the laws. And junior doesn't do it because they are too busy texting on their smartphones the parents bought them. And the parents don't make them because they are too busy being "their friends" instead of their parents!!!

KellyAlzan

Not a realistic response. Foolish

wind chaser

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DisabledFrederickVeteran

I support stringent immigration laws. I believe illegal immigration has disrupted the American social economic family structure by undercutting labor costs and burdening taxpayers. What I don't support is giving high school educated local law enforcement officers carte blanche to discern immigration status. I'm a black Christian born in the USA and arguably the most decorated disabled veteran in the state and my family tree extends in MD at least 7 generations but that hasn't stop law enforcement from questioning my nationality. Thank GOD I have a retired US military ID card or I might be deported back to the place that tried to kill me.

marylandmirage

DFV, I respect your opinions and thank you for your service. I wonder, though, about the impact illegal immigration has on economic disruption. Automation of many jobs has eliminated numerous positions and rendered them obsolete, and retraining to enter the workforce again would seem to me to be the answer to lost jobs. I agree that the setup of giving local law enforcement carte blanche is a setup for potential problems.

Aslan19

People start talking about carte blanche and that is a totally inaccurate and dishonest way of looking at what is being proposed. Based on what is in the story, Hugh's Bill says that law enforcement has to honor hold requests and notify ICE when someone is being released. I don't see any wholesale sweeping of communities, empowering of Drs., Schoolhouse personnel, or other paranoid ideas that people are throwing around.

b1sellers

Part of the problem is this country's attitude toward education and those that are educated. It used to be something that American strived for - education would lift you up. Now it seems the more illiterate a person is the better - like a badge of honor. THIS is the biggest problem in this country and why we end up with "alternative facts" and conspiracy theories instead of believing the true news. Our country will never be great unless we start educating people and respecting the teachers who do that.

DisabledFrederickVeteran

This is the age propaganda, deflection and misinformation. Good schools in America aren't essential anymore there are H-1B Visas, automation and outsourcing to mitigate America's failing and mediocre charter and public schools.

User1

And part of that is to NOT lower the standards in schools! Same for all, if you have disruptive students in schools with the ones that really want to learn then don't excuse them because of their "cultural diversity". Hold all students accountable to the same standards and policies. Don't excuse one because of color and expel another. Then you start enforcing a sense of entitlement on these kids. And it just grows with them until they are adults. No consequences then no remorse.

User1

Thank you for your service "Audie Murphy". I too am a retired vet. I have lived thru the riots in the 60's and Vietnam and Somalia and DS. Let's have a drink and compare medals sometime. Were you high school educated when you were issued a rifle and told to follow lawful orders? Law enforcement for the past 8 years have been hindered in performing their job. When you have members of BLM invited to the WH and widows of murdered police officers ignored, or fallen troops ignored what's that tell you? A total lack of respect of people and of the law. You know something is wrong if more effort is spent in defending lawbreakers than enforcement. And if people don't like the laws then change them...you can't disregard them. If they do then we have anarchy. That's not what I served over 20 years for. People should just take a chill pill and relax but remain vigilant. The sky is not falling.

jerseygrl42

Well said USER 1and thank you for your service in protecting the rule of law in America , that some shamefully are trying to tear down

MAVRICKinc7

SO, what are we to do with Trump's EXECUTIVE ORDERS? Hasn't he created the ground work for anarchy in America?

hayduke2

Wait, CD did you change your "handle"

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