Tanker Fire Meeting

A public forum was held Wednesday to discuss the March 4 fatal gas tanker crash and fire on U. S. 15 north of Rosemont Avenue. The participants included, from left, Frederick County Fire Chief Tom Coe; Christopher Ralston, the program manager for the Maryland Department of the Environment’s oil control program; Andrew Radcliffe, a district engineer for the Maryland Department of Transportation; and Frederick Police Department Lt. Kevin Meyer.

Following a fatal tanker crash on U.S. 15 earlier this month, the state transportation department has promised a guardrail between the highway and a residential neighborhood where the crash happened.

But residents whose houses are near the U.S. 15 corridor pushed on Wednesday for more action and physical barriers.

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(47) comments

roaddog0119

The Frederick Sanner on Facebook posted that the State Highway Administration are going to install guardrails on that portion of 15N this Sunday.

trwz

moratorium on building in Frederick County

mrnatural1

That would eliminate or reduce many of our problems trwz. [thumbup][thumbup]

public-redux

And create or exacerbate others.

Plumbum

Lots of traffic on 15 thru lucketts Va. all coming from MD. Not from within. Stopping building in frederick county would have little impact on 15 in their area

Aslan19

About as realistic as expecting the sun to rise in the West.

Plumbum

Meanwhile, the deficient low bridge signage still exist northbound 75 to Monrovia. Sigh…….

gabrielshorn2013

Did you notify the State Highway Authority? I doubt they read the FNP comments.

texl

Some thoughts:

-- Guardrails, even high + high strength ones, are not terribly expensive.

-- Please do have sympathy for those living along this road, and along rivers & other flood plain areas, downwind from industrial operations, or dust-creating agricultural areas, etc. People buy/rent what they can afford and based on school districts, commute time to their jobs, etc. Not everyone can afford to buy the ideal home in the ideal setting. Be thankful, and humble, if you have the resources to do that.

--US 15 wasn't planned. It evolved. It was a deer path, and then an Indian path, and then a horse trail, and then a one-lane road, etc. Just like most roads. Housing came later. So now we have to evolve a bit more, with guard rails, maybe sound walls, realignment of on/off ramps, etc. And, yes, it is a legitimate public expense, just like the road in front of our homes, and FAA expenses related to the airplanes flying above us, etc.

Hope everyone has a blessed day.

William Smith

There was a woman who lived in that area at least 15-20 years ago - she wrote letters and attended meetings pleading for a sound wall to be built for both noise mitigation and safety. Her pleas were ignored. And here we are...

Plumbum

Ok, but sound wall and guard rails would not have prevented this. And no one hit anyone’s home.

Guy T. Ashton

I’m sure the family whose house burned down will be happy to hear that.

Plumbum

Are you aware how their house ignited? The family is.

The truck never crossed the road.

Greg F

A sound barrier would have gone a long way to mitigate a fire, and if they’re likely the tree wouldn’t have been hit head on either.

Greg F

They were there…not they’re.

Plumbum

Greg, you do realize the fire was from petro flowing?

Guy T. Ashton

I live on right on the other side of the highway, so yes I know and I watched as it played out. The family still lost their house even if it wasn’t a direct hit. Your point makes zero sense.

Guy T. Ashton

The fire happened because of intense heat from the gas fire. The heat could be felt on Biggs ave. A soundwall would have helped at least potentially deflect the truck from an indirect hit.

Greg F

Plumb...the crash was the guy hititng a tree....which the wall would have deflected the whole rig vs having it stop instantly upon smacking a tree (tree being on other side of wall or not there at all) and you would most likely have seen the rig scrape the wall instead of crack open the fuel tank. Fuel would have been blocked from flowing freely onto the lawns as well. Sound wall is around 15' high....so even if it did crack open, the heat would be deflected lower where the wall is to not radiate to the home and would not have flowed out into the street and lawns either. Double benefit from a wall....there are no trees out in front of it and it stops sound....and triple benefit that it stops vehicles from careening into people's homes and onto their land. I've seen more than a few tanker accidents in my days and the ones who involved guard rails and walls didn't burst. The ones who rolled or hit an object hard straight on....not ending well.

LuvFrederick

Have no sympathy for these people. They bought these houses, which have been under the same circumstances for decades.

William Smith

Your statement reminds me of a scene in the movie "Airplane". Two people are discussing the plane's possibly-doomed situation. Point-Counterpoint. The man looks straight at the TV audience with zero empathy and says, "They bought their tickets. Let 'em crash."

Dwasserba

Oh may the sympathy you show toward others be the example for the consideration you deserve. Amen.

kfmd

[thumbup]

public-redux

Is that a Thought or a Prayer?

Frayou

Someone suggested eastern bypass around Frederick. This has been discussed for decades and any plan would take decades and mega millions to buy property and construction, not to mention legal battles. Frederick City has been working on its mini beltway for decades, but all that did was encourage annexation and more development surrounding City.

TrekMan

Fray - Exactly!!

matts853

Does anyone know what caused this man (RIP) to crash the tanker?

LuvFrederick

Probably cut-off by someone in a rush to no were.

sevenstones1000

The design of 15 is so remarkably awful, I don’t know that a little fix here or there will make much difference.

I mean, who puts an exit/entrance ramp right next to a high school parking lot entrance? (TJ)

Who builds these impossibly short on-ramps? Who builds a highway literally in the back yards of occupied homes?

The design of roads and highways in and around Frederick has horrified me for four decades. Each “upgrade” only seems to make it worse.

Frayou

I believe existing Rt 15 thru Frederick was built in the 50’s. Thomas Johnson was built in 1966. In retrospect, Rt 15 upgrades through the City and County was considered a great improvement at the time it was constructed. As always, infrastructure never keeps up with population growth or developments and improvements to roads rarely do, unless there is a safety related disaster involving deaths.

TrekMan

Exactly!

Dwasserba

The at-grade intersections further north are fun too.

newspostreader

Everyone is wanting sound barriers. They're not cheap and tax dollars will be paying for them. I know this sounds crazy, but here is an idea. DON'T BUY NEXT TO A HIGHWAY! You buy next to a highway and then complain about the sound and expect the tax dollars of other's to solve your problem. People must own the decisions they make.

matts853

Maybe some of these people bought decades ago when the noise was tolerable.

TrekMan

Lived here all my life and the noise has never been tolerable - I had HS friends that lived around there, and it was bad in 70's. I honestly don't know how anyone could live in Holly Hills with the noise from I-70 droning all day! My wife and I looked at buying out there years ago and once I stepped outside the car, I said no way!

public-redux

Less intolerable?

Dwasserba

Maybe they bought thinking it was a first home. Or an interim home for another reason. We have the best neighbors, great location, but people only have to hear “Amber Meadows” to be shocked we’re here 40+ years. Asking “why” is not as rude as reacting as if our reason isn’t good enough. Oh Really. Where have *you* lived.

newspostreader

People fail to think about the future. I'm sure it was more tolerable decades ago, but that is something people have to think about. What's here today might not be here tomorrow. Do I want to buy a home here?

WalkTheTown

It might be cheaper and easier for us to just buy out those homeowners on Apple Ave, tear up the street and plant trees.

TrekMan

That's true! Hahahaha!

elmerchismo1

"Radcliffe ensured that one part of the project wouldn't be built before the other."

WHY?

Why can't a sound barrier go up now?

Greg F

I've thought a sound barrier on 15 would be proper long ago on both sides. That or buy them all up and expand and then put the barrier in and improve the exits and entries on all of them. That needs to happen sooner, not later.

Dwasserba

Sound barrier, yes. Eminent domain is threatening. For what you’d get…relocate…where

mrnatural1

While we're at it...sound barriers along I-70 through Middletown Valley would be very nice... [cool]

I doubt that will ever happen, but the db level of the traffic noise is high. Even on summer nights when the insects are really loud, the traffic noise is at about the same level -- and we're a couple miles line-of-sight from the highway.

Plumbum

Then people in buckeystown need a barrier too. Along with people everywhere.

Greg F

The whole nation will look like the ending scene of the movie Brazil. https://i.stack.imgur.com/cgxVY.jpg

mrnatural1

[beam] Greg.

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