Concerns about the identity and character of Frederick County brought heated debate from a standing-room-only crowd at Winchester Hall as the discussion of the county’s English-only ordinance continues.

Two County Council members, Jessica Fitzwater and M.C. Keegan-Ayer, have proposed a bill to do away with a 3-year-old ordinance establishing English as the official language of Frederick County.

The ordinance requires that all of the county’s official business be conducted in English, although there are several exceptions to the rule regarding safety and health issues, and to comply with state and federal law.

The council heard passionate appeals for and against the repeal on Tuesday at a second reading of the bill. More than 70 people spoke during the more than three hours of hearings, their comments interpreted into American Sign Language.

Fitzwater and Keegan-Ayer have criticized the English ordinance as ineffective and intolerant. Getting rid of it, they argued, would create a more welcoming environment for new employers and residents.

Supporters of the English ordinance took issue with the premise that it makes Frederick unwelcoming. One speaker asked Fitzwater to support with data her assertion that businesses are passing the county by because of it.

A small portion of county residents have difficulty speaking English, according to U.S. Census Bureau data. Nearly 4 percent of respondents to the 2013 American Community Survey spoke the language “less than very well.”

Several speakers acknowledged, explicitly or implicitly, that the ordinance’s purpose is mostly symbolic. It was frequently characterized as either an incentive for new immigrants to learn English or a red flag to scare them away.

“There really is no compelling reason for the ordinance. It doesn’t change anything,” said Ray Garza, chairman of the Frederick Immigration Coalition, noting that immigrants understand they need to learn English.

On the other side of the debate, Frederick resident David Kaye said, “Repealing this ordinance serves no purpose other than to fan the flames of divisiveness.”

Supporters of the English ordinance also brought up more practical concerns, such as the cost of providing documents in other languages and the need to have a common language for communicating in emergencies.

The English ordinance narrowly applies to how the county conducts business and would not require a resident to learn the language.

Spanish speakers, including Maria Diana Sanchez Gonzalez and Roxana Orellana Santos, who once filed a discrimination suit against the county, addressed the council through an interpreter.

They were working to learn English, they said, but they hoped the county would show Spanish respect and offer documents in the language. Gonzalez said afterward she had been in a legal situation in which she had difficulty understanding English documents, although she declined to elaborate on the circumstances.

Another supporter of the repeal cited the importance of having voting documents available in various languages.

Members of the public frequently referenced their own immigrant stories to support their points. Lisa Euliss said her mother came from Chile and learned English.

“If we repeal English as an official language, we send the wrong message,” she said. “We should not have to accommodate to the minority.”

Sheriff Chuck Jenkins offered a law enforcement perspective, refuting that the ordinance has a chilling effect on crime reporting and that it creates an unwelcoming environment.

“There are no barriers out there,” he said. “I very frankly think this is an attempt to undo what the previous [board] did.”

If residents are having trouble learning English, he added, they may just have to put more effort into it.

ProEnglish, a national group campaigning to make English the official language of the country, made its mark on the debate.

It mailed its local supporters and contacted them via robocall to encourage them to speak out against the repeal.

Executive Director Robert Vandervoort declined to say how many letters were mailed by the group, which the Southern Poverty Law Center calls anti-immigrant.

Vandervoort spoke before the council, saying, “Keeping English as the official language provides a powerful incentive for new immigrants.”

Follow Kelsi Loos on Twitter: @KelsiFNP.

Population in 2013 that spoke English less than well

Area Portion of population that speaks English less than well
Maryland 6.40%
Frederick County 3.90%
Allegany County 1.00%
Anne Arundel County 3.70%
Baltimore County 4.70%
Calvert County 1.10%
Caroline County 3.70%
Carroll County 1.40%
Cecil County 1.20%
Charles County 2.30%
Dorchester County 2.10%
Garrett County 1.30%
Harford County 2.10%
Howard County 7.70%
Kent County 2.10%
Montgomery County 15.10%
Prince George's County 9.10%
Queen Anne's County 1.70%
St. Mary's County 1.80%
Somerset County 1.40%
Talbot County 2.60%
Washington County 2.30%
Wicomico County 5.50%
Worcester County 1.40%
Baltimore city 3.50%

(115) comments

Dink King

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard and we are actually debating about it .some of you Frederick county racists need to take a long look at who's doing all the work that most don't want to do anymore ,but your
mad because they don't speak English but you are quick to travel to countries on vacation where English isn't the spoken language shame on all of you who who are in favor of this backwoods idea

mickschley

Jesus did not speak English. How 'bout them apples?

public-redux

I agree with Sheriff Jenkins that the ordinance enacted by the BOCC had no practical effect and was purely symbolic.

vicdavy

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phydeaux994

How often does the average Frederick County citizen personally come in contact with a person they have to communicate with that doesn't speak English? Probably never. This is a non-problem. A stupid argument. The English Only Ordinance was implemented during Sheriff Jenkins purge of Hispanic residents from the County with the 287(g) Program and was meant to intimidate them. Hate legislation that our County's neighbors point to as one more example of Frederick County's racist reputation.

ClareS

If we don't nip this in the bud, we will end up like PG or Montgomery counties where you will regularly come across people who speak little or no English.

phydeaux994

Illegal aliens have been coming into our Country for 50 years. There are 11 million of them here. This is nothing new and I don't get your "nipping it in the bud" statement. Sheriff Jenkins is the one that started the anti-Hispanic panic when he became sheriff. They had been here for many years with no problem. Tell us the last time you encountered a non-Exclusive speaking person of any nationality.

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DeDeuceCoupe32

These who comment haven't a clue what happens in the trenches at work, when dealing with illegals. I contracted from the biggest home builder in Fred. Co. for 25 years and when brand new bath tubs became more convenient than porta-pots, work conditions became unsanitary and the builder admitted the problem was so big , it couldn't be controlled. Cold, hard facts that couldn't be ignored, by my employees or myself.

matts853

Hear

matts853

Garden, the reason you don't here people who come from the other countries you mentioned advocating for their language is largely due to the fact that they came here legally and as such are typically more educated and skilled. Put another way, they were properly vetted to be here and so are better suited to adapt to being here. They didn't have the luxury of a shared, open border that gave them free access to the USA that the people south of our border are taking advantage of.

By contrast, The illegal people streaming across our open border are mostly uneducated and unskilled. Many are not literate in their native language, so they require far more assistance to get by. They have formed a critical mass that has made it possible to put their needs above all of the other people from different cultures that came here legally.

Our immigration system isn't broken, it's the lack of will by feckless politicians to enforce it that's breaking it. That's why we are in the mess we have now.

gary4books

The "English only" law did not change much except to show an "attitude" and when it goes away not much will change. Its absence does not mandate great change. We were fine before it came and will be fine when it goes away.

ClareS

Why not have a "attitude?" If I went to live in another country where English was not the official language I would not expect everyone to speak English to make my life easier. I would expect to learn whatever language is spoken there. I am all for knowing multiple languages, but we need ONE language that we all speak.

Jleftwich

The proposal is simply to return things back to how it was before the Blaine Young BoCC changed the ordinance. Oddly, before the Young BoCC there didn't seem to be much opposition to providing multi-lingual documents.

garden whimsey

This seems to be an English-Spanish issue. Did anyone from a different foreign background, i.e., Chinese, Greek, French, etc., demand that material be provided in their native language or that business be conducted in any other language? No, only those of Hispanic background seem to think they should be catered to. If it is mandated that other languages be represented, you will have to have multiple translators at all meetings and all languages will have to be represented in printed material. How much will that cost? This is America. For over 200 years our language has been English. In the past immigrants were proud to assimilate and learn English. Why must we cater to those who think we owe them something for coming here?

Sallyforth

There were people that testified for repeal of the ordinance from many other countries.

ClareS

Spanish speakers in general (not all of course) resist learning English more than any other group. I've had multiple ESL teachers tell me this. It is impractical and ridiculous to have everything is multiple languages. If a Chinese speaker can learn English then a Spanish speaker can learn English.

phydeaux994

Why do Spanish speakers resist learning English? Did the ESL teachers tell you why? Let us in on it. I don't think that you even know any ESL teachers Clare. Quit making stuff up to bolster your opinions.

matts853

I fear we are heading towards a dual language society. Not bilingual where people speak both English and Spanish, but a society where large swaths of the population only speak Spanish. That won't be good.

I too have worked in an industry where the majority of the blue collar workers were Hispanic and were a mix of both legal and illegal folks. Many of the guys had been here 5-10 years and still could not speak English. They didn't even try because they don't really need to.

At the end of the day this ordinance has little effect either way on the county or the residents. It's purely an emotion driven issue with the force dujour of racial tension injected in from both sides. We are more at each other's throats when it comes to race than I have ever seen before. It's become a tiresome waste of energy. But I do think the notion that it will drive away people and business is utter nonsense. There's no verifiable data to support that assertion, plus Hispanics are the fastest growing demographic in the county.

I would prefer that the council didn't take this up, especially so early in the charter game. There are so many more important things to address. It's a divisive waste of time.

I am curious to see if this ultimately leads to Spanish interpreters at public meetings. I would not support that at all.

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DickD

Vic, you and Matt are both right. But there are some gringos that are very good workers too. Some are very young, some old, the ones in the middle seem to be the ones not good workers. They also seem to be the ones objecting the most.

ClareS

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timothygaydos

Not trying to keep law-abiding immigrants that want to become legal citizens thru the normal process from coming to American especially Frederick County. Just the opposite trying to keep illegals that break the law coming here to begin with and then break more laws in staying here. Gun control laws are meant for the law abiding citizens not the criminals who always find a way to get guns and/or just keep committing criminal acts. So much for that great rehab program for convicts - I like the hard labor and no frills in prisons so we deter them from wanting to recommit crimes when they do get out - but no let us give them great perks and they do not care if they spend a little more time in jail. Problem with liberals they expect us to pay the burden when their liberal programs fail badly. I wonder how many of those folks speaking last night were legal or were speaking on behalf of illegals immigrants in the Frederick County area? Yes, I believe in First taking care of our own citizens before reaching out and catering to criminals. Liberals cry we do not invest enough in education and healthcare - well stop spending it on illegals and maybe you would have more $$$ to spend accordingly.

DickD

Timothy, what made you bring up gun control? That is hardly the issue here.

phydeaux994

".........criminals who always find a way to get guns and/or just keep committing criminal acts"...... how do criminals always find a way to get guns? Are they smarter than non-criminals? Do they have their own factories? How do you know criminals will continue to be able to get guns if there are reasonable gun control laws? Don't make statements you can't back up with facts.

jerseygrl42

Our english language is the glue of our melting pot that created the best country the world has seen and the one-world no border folks led by Soros ( who contributed $10 Million to obama's campaign) are attempting to destroy it.....people who are chosen to come here legally have a responsibility to assimilate and those here illegally do not deserve to be catered to ....too many service men and women have made the ultimate sacrifice fighting to preserve what was created to allow the socialist liberals to undo it.....learn and speak the language of this country ...or go back from whence you came

shiftless88

And amazingly, all of that melting pot and assimilation happened WITHOUT laws dictating English as the official language of the country. Wow, how did that happen? One does not learn a language overnight.

Dwasserba

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KellyAlzan

Since the gun control laws are successfully keeping guns out of criminal hands, it only makes sense to create an English only law to keep them aliens out of the county.

DeDeuceCoupe32

Employers who broke the law hiring them aliens are benefiting the most. But you know that from experience. Funny how we have 20 million plus employed illegals, but not one employer hired an illegal. i compare this more to the war on drugs, than gun control. Let them drug dealers do their thing, somebody has to supply the drug users.

phydeaux994

20 million???

fnfn

When you are at peace enough to actually think about it, you would notice that having documents in both languages will facilitate LEARNING English.

melbell75

No kidding. I was just in Quebec and I noticed it would be hard *not* to be at least somewhat bilingual just because both languages are PARTOUT!

DickD

Quebec's language is French, the rest of Canada speaks English, hey? lol

Charles_Nelson_Reilly

I like the pic FNP decided to post at the climax of the residents animated speech... older white guy, probably with traditional values. No, no bias there at all FNP?! I'm surprised they didn't show an immigrant mother with her 5 kids at the podium, one wrapped around her sleeping.

this again is Fitzwater's goofy liberal agenda. Who the hell cares??? Why don't they focus on important things like balancing the budget, school & road improvements?

Her and Keegan-Ayer are hellbent on this equality nonsense that is entirely made up by our narcissistic society.

timothygaydos

Were they not teachers? How good was their job performance as educators?

fnfn

Equality is the OPPOSITE of narcissistic! Perhaps googling " narcissistic" will be enlightening.

Charles_Nelson_Reilly

suuuuurrreee it is.....

DickD

They are just trying to back things the way they were before the Blaine gang reign of terror.

DeDeuceCoupe32

The employers of illegal immigrants will be rewarded by our government again, imagine that. Reminds me of government rewarding drug lords in Mexico, one of the reasons mexicans are relocating to a country with the WELCOME mat.

DeDeuceCoupe32

WELCOME lol, I meant Bienvenido a los Estados Unidos. If you can't beat 'um join 'um.

timothygaydos

Stupid to waste time debating a law that really does not impact any legal citizen of the county; it really impacts the illegal immigrant community. Once again this group of select politicians rather cater to the illegals and give them a form of sanctuary from actually taking the time and the effort to learn the language. It has not deter business from coming to Frederick County, what has deterred business from flourishing in this state has been years of liberal over taxation of the state government and just recently with Hogan being elected; a sign that business might get a warmer reception in this state. For those legal citizens who cannot speak or write using the English Language; well it is for them to pay the cost of getting there not the tax payers. They seem well verse in the language when it comes time for buying stuff... it is time for Fitzwater and Ayer to get to work on substantial tasks and not this liberal "make johnny and Susie feel good crap". Explains why our education system is flawed doesn't it now...

fnfn

I know someone that is fluent in both languages. They had people grateful for their help in learning English. Help makes more sense than hindering. Leaning more about languages helps our learning abilities. Printing in both languages helps learning English.

BstD59

'Printing in both languages helps learning English"....not necessarily, why learn English when one can depend upon reading it in their native tongue?

Speaking of which, why are you discriminating against immigrants from other non-English speaking countries? Are you saying that Asians or Germans or French or Moroccans must learn both English and Spanish? Sorry, fnfn, but if I migrated from a non-English speaking country I would be quite offended that America only caters to those who speak Spanish.

Dwasserba

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DickD

Maybe Kirby (give me privileges no other contractor has) and Billy (lost his keys) can show them how.

BstD59

I have visited over 60 countries around the world. Although Engish is spoken in most foreign countries, if it was not the primary language I learned a few polite words in the native language before visiting. I have found that my [clumsy] attempt to speak their language was greeted with pleasure, and usually with a good sized smile as well.

If I was intending to move to any of those countries I would have learned to speak their language, just as I expect those who migrate here to learn English.

With or without an ordinance English IS our official language and I fail to see how this makes anyone feel less welcomed in the US,or how it would affect any county business. I certainly didn't feel any less welcomed in other countries because of a language barrier...why? because I made every attempt to honor the language of the land just as I would hope that those who come here would do. Either they wish to become an American or they don't. Americans speak English.

I thing the PC pendulum has swung just a little too far on this issue. There is a lot more going on in this world that deserves, no, demands, our attention.

krsfrederick

EXACTLY!

shiftless88

Having VISITED a large number of countries in the world, and having LIVED in a few, note that their is a HUGE difference between visiting for a bit and living (buying a car, signing a lease, getting a license, getting a bank account).

BstD59

I agree and if I was going to LIVE rather than VISIT I would make every effort to learn the native language.

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vicdavy

Glen, you already have,many times. [beam]

threecents

Look people, since the ordinance is superceeded by federal law, it should be repealed. It's only effects are to make Frederick look both stupid and intolerant.

vicdavy

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melbell75

Exactly correct.

DickD

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MCEDDE21

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girlpolitic

FNP: So was a vote held last night? What was the decision? If not, when is the vote expected to be taken? Can we get some facts?

Dwasserba

No vote.
It was on TV.
If you watch a rerun, don't miss the final moments of comments when Shreve snaps at Otis.

OldJay

Whether or not the non-vote was "on TV," I wish the FNP had reported this. If it was past the print deadline, the non-vote could have been reported as "breaking news."

armillary

If You Go
The Frederick County Council is scheduled to vote on the English ordinance repeal Aug. 18 at Winchester Hall.

Reader1954

people act like these immigrants look a travel guide that lists Frederick as an English only county. Seriously, did any of them know or care?

fnfn

Angry people cannot think clearly. Look at those that support Trump.

http://www.fredericknewspost.com/public/associated_press/donald-trump-in-the-vein-of-ross-perot-and-george/article_6b98e099-da6a-5b6e-b190-7c9c9ac8c833.html
"Donald Trump: In the vein of Ross Perot and George Wallace"

bjonesskins69

That's it...post a pic of the angry old white guy as the lead photo LOL

bosco

Just profiling a bit, I'd say the angry old white guy in the photo is here legally, probably worked hard all of his life, stayed away from drugs and crime, pays taxes, and probably owns his own home. In other words, a law-abiding citizen.

Further, I would conjecture that the angry old white guy has no problem with LEGAL immigrants - those who come here legally by following the rules to get here.

All the while, the liberal socialist are busy pandering to the illegals while reaching into the old white guys pocket to pay for it.

He has a right to be angry.

Dwasserba

People should research their genealogy. They would find out how fairly common it was to live here first and find sponsorship later - sometimes much later - often through employers.

OldJay

So, what is the angry white guy all hot and bothered about? Has he been physically or financially affected by persons whose native language is not English?

fnfn

His right to be angry is not helping him or anyone else. I bless his recovery.

vicdavy

I think the "Angry Old White Man" should be put on the three dollar bill. It truly reflects Fredneck County.[beam]

VEHarbaugh123

He looks possessed, doesn't he?!

KellyAlzan

Can sheriff Jenkins provide stats of how many immigrants have either moved away from Frederick county or decided not to move to Frederick county due to the English only ordinance?


Oh, and are gun control laws keeping guns out of the hands of criminals?

kimberlymellon

No, But Jenkins can tell you and CIS/FAIR how many beds at $83.00 a night of taxpayer dollars are available for rent to ICE in the state: https://youtu.be/VZv9eDV8bdM

Jenkins can also submit Federal Taxpayers the bill for it, payable to Frederick County taxpayers. Here's the May 2015 invoice for $112K: http://1drv.ms/1OmemCd

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KellyAlzan

Wow. Who cares. The keyboard Cowboys in cyber land getting their girdles in a twist.

KellyAlzan

Immigrants do not base a decision to move to/from an area based on a language ordinance.

They base their decision on job market. Family. And economics.

I'm American. My dealings with the Frederick co gov are non existent.

It's a stupid ordinance, Jenkins. Raul isn't going to not move to Frederick county because of a language ordinance. Get real.

Do gun control laws keeps guns out of criminal's hands??

BlueDawn666

Sheriff Chuck Jenkins offered a law enforcement perspective, refuting that the ordinance has a chilling effect on crime reporting and that it creates an unwelcoming environment....It was clear to see why Chuckles is the leader of the angry white-people by his comments last night and why he was voted back into office AGAIN. His comments were very divisive and ignorant.

I enjoyed listening to the angry white people last night, didn't realize how many angry white-people we have in Frederick, and how they tried to NOT understand why the English only ordinance is so divisive, interesting to see how they have no problem with being angry white-people. Many of the angry-white people were not even making sense with their arguments. Probably because you can argue a nonsense ordinance logically.

Seems that the many angry white-people that were there last night didn't even care about the back story as to why the BoCC passed that ordinance in the first place, they didn't vote Blaine back into office so you would think they would want to get rid of any Blaine stink that was still lingering, wouldn't you? But no.

After a 4-1 vote, Frederick County commissioners in Maryland adopted English as its official language last week.

Just like that, all government documents have to be printed in English and are not to be translated into Spanish except in cases involving health and safety. Board President Blaine R. Young says the ordinance sends a message.

“I believe that it sends a message that we’re not a place that condones or embraces illegal immigration,” Young says.

http://nbclatino.com/2012/02/27/18399626412/

Right there in Blaine's own words, he said it was passed to exclusive not to be inclusive. So angry-white people we will remember who you are. [wink][wink]

BlueDawn666

Probably because you can't argue a nonsense ordinance logically.

Sallyforth

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kimberlymellon

BTW, Blaine's taxi company has earned a small business fortune making runs to Dulles to pick up our county's international researchers and families. Did he show up to defend his ordinance against his taxi contract 'employer' who has provided him with this sole source opportunity and the chamber of commerce?

kimberlymellon

Come to think about it, that small fortune gained from international immigrant rides for scientific researchers probably helped buy Blaine Young's airtime for all that 'immigrant' hate rhetoric he spewed on WFMD the past 6 years (leading up to and during his elected office). No matter which side of the argument you are on, it sort of makes ya want to throw up, eh?

fnfn

Just sad that they cannot do any better, yet.

fnfn

Angry people like Blaine cannot think about the whole picture.

vicdavy

The Angry White Men are well represented by Chuckles[beam]

fnfn

Angry means poor thinking. We want that in "peace" officers?

des21

Excellent demand by one attendee that Fitzwater back up her assertion that the ordinance makes Frederick unwelcoming to business. What did she do at that point, look at her hands?

BlueDawn666

Doesn't matter, it is the appearance that the English only ordinance brings to Frederick County, you like being known as the County of angry-white people? I don't, once the ordinance is repealed it will go global and send a message that we are not a County of angry white-people. There were many speakers last night that did say the ordinance has made businesses feel un-welcomed, or were only paying attention the angry-white people?

Sallyforth

When has documentation or proof been a requirement for the Blaine Young Board? Maybe we could see some proof on how the rampant residential development planned for the Monrovia area will improve the lives of those already living there, or proof that the Jefferson Tech Park will ever contribute to the counties tax base.

kimberlymellon

des, Speaking for myself, you obviously haven't met a researcher at Ft. Detrick, NIH, NCI, FEMA, DHHS or any of their contractors and employees who were appalled by Young's 2011 anti-immigrant crusade against their research colleagues and their families to limit language spoken in the county to English, refuse rent to immigrants without current documents and count their children in our schools?
The anti-immigrant proposals: http://www.frederickcountymd.gov/DocumentCenter/Home/View/22561
Watch the video of that meeting here: http://frederick.granicus.com/ViewPublisher.php?view_id=5
Administrative Business 01/26/12 02h 56m Agenda MP3 Video

fnfn

Are some people so angry they drive off our professionals? Then they can be more angry as their money dries up...

des21

Those aren't businesses Kimberly.

kimberlymellon

When is a contractor not a business? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contractor

Dwasserba

The thing about "proving" who isn't coming here is, how??? Evidence is anecdotal. If you consider two places for vacation, do you elaborate on why you chose one over the other or just go there?

shiftless88

des, did any of the speakers list how much extra the county was spending before the English only ordinance was passed? How much was actually saved??

GMrT

I think what Glen is saying is that corporate decisions to add multi--lingual labels to product packaging are counter-productive to immigrant assimilation, and that we need more government regulation when it comes to non-English speakers.

So I guess there are limits after all to the conservative causes of free market capitalism and deregulation. But only, it seems, when it comes to things that conservatives disapprove of.

kimberlymellon

A rotating box with applicable language for it's location of display....I'd call the practice a tree saver and environmentally wise. :0)

fnfn

Having 2 languages helps to learn both and better for our brains...

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armillary

Interesting. What made you take the bait on this particular troll?

LeonardKeepers

if it isn't already a requirement it will soon will be a requirement,dispatchers at central alarm will have to learn spanish another expense for the county. then again if a applicant wants to be a dispatcher he/she might have to learn spanish before they can get the job. i believe they already have spanich speaking police officers on the city police force. i feel these two ladies will get their way and the ordinace will be repealed and that is a very big shame,caving in because the immigrants are not willing to learn english

KellyAlzan

FCPD Detective Jorge Garcia. 100% Spanish speaking

kimberlymellon

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Dwasserba

One speaker did point out that learning new languages has a "gift" aspect that can delay its acquisition. It's not like learning to tie your shoes. It has multiple components. And you learn unevenly. Some read better than they speak, some speak better than they read, and I personally know that comprehending regional dialects is a huge obstacle to true fluency. We're saying, "Here's a mountain. Get it out of your way now."

fnfn

Learning 2 languages help our brains work better. It helps avoid declining minds in the elderly...

shiftless88

If learning a new language is so easy then the dispatchers should have no trouble at all. In fact they should be able to learn Spanish, one of the easier languages, in just a few short weeks, right??

threecents

Again, the ordinance would have no effect on that.

armillary

Our better selves will repeal Blaine's awful ordinance.

kimberlymellon

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richardlyons

Will all come down to Bud Otis. Does he have what it takes? So far, indications are that he does. Aug 18 we'll know.

bpsws

This ordinance serves no useful purpose. Any linguist will tell you that English is one of the most difficult languages to learn. Jenkins' comment that "they just need to try harder" is shortsighted. Even when here legally, the population being targeted is not sitting at home getting a welfare check like many poor whites and AA's. They are out working two or three jobs. And, please don't say, "Yeah, that's why there are no jobs." If the immigrants can work 2-3 jobs, then those on welfare could also. Any employer will tout the work ethic of the immigrants trying to make it in the U.S.

Glen Shiel

I disagree, the sheriff's comment is not shortsighted. I still work with guys whose English is barely discernible and absolutely no better today than it was when I first met them 7 years ago. And part of that reason is that they feel that they just don't need to learn it for the reason being that they get catered to with all the Spanish writings. Look at half the products you buy these days, labels are in both English and Spanish. What reasons do some of them have to put the effort into learning the English language, especially when they are planning on returning to their home country after making a load of money here to take back there to start a business or retire?

OldJay

The several languages on some packaging are simply so the product can be marketed in countries outside of the USA.

My own 2005 Toyota Prius has both English and French available on its display screen.

We're in a global economy now!

kimberlymellon

Wait a minute.... you mean there are other countries than ours and manufacturers in the U.S. market their products to them and they to us? What a great idea! Let's call that practice, 'globalization'. [smile]

kimberlymellon

In a 2013 ICE inspection report, the FSCO failed repeatedly to provide translation or even to use the call line to Federally provided translators to assist intake detainees with the vital health status forms and examinations. See page 19-22. http://www.ice.gov/doclib/foia/odo-compliance-inspections/FrederickCountyDetentionCenterFeb20-22-2013.pdf

FNP: Please don't delete this. It's fact from ICE's Federal FOIA Library page, not fiction. Taxpayers who pay the legal bills are entitled to know about it.

Sallyforth

Angry white people have no problem with mistreating those that look or speak differently than the rednecks they grew up with.

bosco

Even when here legally,

OldJay

So, what was the vote? Inquiring minds want to know.

fnfn

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