Something was different about Frederick United’s protest from the moment organizer Madeleine Tison-Orrell arrived.

She was told by two Frederick police officers that the power to the Baker Park bandshell was turned off, which has not happened at any of the protests in the last four months.

But organizers of the racial justice group were surprised once more on Saturday, when Lt. John Corbett announced through a megaphone that the Frederick Police Department will no longer be blocking traffic for protesters, and any protester unlawfully blocking traffic in the street could be criminally charged.

This is not a new decision, according to Acting Chief of Police Patrick Grossman. In a phone interview, he said that not blocking traffic had been the case for the last “month or two.” The decision was made in the interest of public safety, Grossman said, for the protesters, pedestrians and drivers on the roads.

“My biggest fear would be somebody getting struck by traffic,” Grossman said.

While Grossman said protesters have every right to assemble and voice their opinions, he also said that criminal charges could be brought upon protesters who block the streets.

But the enforcement isn’t a blanket rule. Protests are often “dynamic situations,” and depending on the circumstances, protesters could be warned, arrested or simply given a summons.

Grossman said Corbett is the main point of contact for all protests in Frederick, and is responsible for getting in contact with the protest groups before events to make sure they are all on the same page.

While Kristen Lundy, organizer with Frederick United, said that Corbett has worked with them to block traffic at some past events, she has not received any heads up from him in recent weeks about the police no longer blocking traffic for protesters.

Corbett said the power to the bandshell is actually never supposed to be turned on unless given permission from the Department of Parks and Recreation.

But most protests have used the power at the bandshell without a permit. In fact, permits for the bandshell are not currently being issued due to the COVID-19 pandemic, Corbett said.

Frederick United organizers spent the next hour or so working on getting a generator to the stage to continue with their speeches and performances, while planning what to do about their march.

They decided to march on the sidewalks and down the closed-off sections of Market Street. But they were also aware that in doing so, they were contradicting the title of the protest: “Whose Streets? Our Streets!”

“Right now we don’t have the numbers to show these are our streets,” Lundy said, referencing the small turnout of protesters. While about 50 people congregated around the bandshell before the performances, about 25 or so marched downtown.

When the march reached the Square Corner, a man barreled into the protesters and shoved two protesters using most of his body weight, before hurrying through the crowd and walking down the street.

Yury Lauterbach was one of the individuals who was shoved. She said the man looked her right in the eye as he approached her and then attempted to shove her to the ground, turning his shoulder in toward her.

“It was scary,” she said.

While several police officers were in the area at the time, they did not file a report or make any arrests, said Sgt. Andrew Alcorn, adding that he had not talked to the officers about what specifically happened as of 7 p.m. Saturday evening.

Police officers on bicycles followed most of the protest, often stationed on streets that the march had not reached yet.

“It was really irritating, because you won’t block off the streets, but you’ll block off and make your own way. But they also weren’t here to support us,” Lundy said. “You see an individual who aggressively walks through, pushes into somebody, and you don’t address that. You’re here to serve and protect who?”

Frederick United has plans to continue to protest later this month. Lundy hopes that more support from the community will be seen then.

“Show up and show out,” Lundy said. “You can’t expect change from the peace and quiet of your own home, you need to come outside and be active.”

Follow Erika Riley on Twitter: @ej_riley

(155) comments

gdunn

So basically nothing happened yet they're crying about it. comical.

Business Owner

I feel sorry for the downtown restaurant owners.

NewMarketParent

@Business Owner

I feel sorry that people are killed in the street for the color of their skin. FTFY.

fredneck

Come on man. Go on a ride along once.

bosco

Ain't gonna happen, fredneck. That would give the LLBTT a picture of what really goes on when law enforcement deals with the general public. It would shatter their preconceived notions.

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C.D.Reid

Yep, it would shatter them to pieces.

bosco

I'd like to see them go through a shoot/don't shoot training exercise too.

[ninja]

gabrielshorn2013

That's a great suggestion fredneck. If anyone wants to see the day to day lives of police officers, I would suggest a ride along. Don't rely on what folks tell you what happens on the streets, see it for yourself and then come to your conclusion. It really is an eye-opener.

gabrielshorn2013

@ bosco Sep 15, 2020 5:21pm

Good point bosco. I have taken such training, and a wrong decision can be lethal to the responding LEO, or the others involved in the incident. Another huge eye-opener for those truly interested in the issue.

C.D.Reid

I completely agree, Business Owner. All the restaurant owners want to do is keep trying to maintain their businesses, and all the diners want is a quiet meal out. This is neither the time nor the place for loud mouthed rabble rousers. Let them take their little "protest" down South or All Saints Streets where they might be more appreciated.

phydeaux994

The squeaky wheel gets the grease CD, remember that one. If you want to get the attention of those you want to change, make a lot of noise. That’s what Protesters do, from both sides of the Political Spectrum, that what BLM Protesters in Frederick are doing. It is American Freedom in Action, guaranteed by the Constitution. BTW CD, you never answered my question about the most successful Blacks in Thurmont and FC, using the same criteria for success you used to proclaim so many Blacks in America have enjoyed. Will you do that? Thanks

C.D.Reid

Fido, I don't know who the most successful blacks in Thurmont and Frederick County are. If you need to know so badly, do your own f'in research. I'm tired of your crap.

PurplePickles

@CD

If you don’t know the answers to Phy’s questions there is no need for you to come back and tell us you don’t know, we know you don’t know the answers to questions like that? You could use science if you want?

C.D.Reid

I don't need a POS like you telling me what to do, PP.

Business Owner

I wasn't trying to antagonize -- it has been a tough year to own a restaurant. What the city has allowed for the last several weeks has been positive but most restaurant owners know it's short lived since cold weather will be here before you know it. I sure no restaurant owner wants anyone harmed because of the color of their skin and I'm sure someone will chime in and tell me that it doesn't matter.

bosco

Oath of office for the mayor of Portlandia:

I, (name), do solemnly (affirm or swear) that I will support the Constitutions of the United States and of the State of Oregon and the Charter of the City of Portland and its laws; and I will faithfully, honestly and ethically perform my duties as (office).

Maybe somebody should remind the mayor of his duties to uphold the law.

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PurplePickles

@bosco/Eric Trump

Seriously? Portlandia OMG...lol that's not even a real place you little open book you?

Search domain en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portlandia_(TV_series)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portlandia_(TV_series)

Portlandia is a sketch comedy television series starring Fred Armisen and Carrie Brownstein, set in and around Portland, Oregon, and spoofing the city's reputation as a haven for eccentric hipsters. The show was produced by Broadway Video Television and IFC Original Productions. It was created by Armisen and Brownstein, along with Jonathan Krisel, who directs it.

LOLOLOLOLOL Seriously stop for the day.

NewMarketParent

@Business Owner

It is definitely helpful if business owners put pressure on local politicians to help enact meaningful legislation hold police accountable and ensure everyone is treated equally under the law. That's the real ask. In any other world, it wouldn't be controversial, but here we are.

bosco

Business Owner, I do as well, especially those businesses burned and looted in the Democrat-run cities where the mayors and the governors have abdicated their constitutional duties to serve and protect. The Antifascist Burn Loot and Mayhem protestors are given a free pass by the prosecutors and Harris is helping raise bail money for them.

A lot of those businesses won't be coming back, along with many of the citizens who are fed up and moving out.

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PurplePickles

@Bosco/EricTrump

Abdicated their constitutional duties to serve and protect....have even actually read the constitution?

Neither the Constitution, nor state law, impose a general duty upon police officers or other governmental officials to protect individual persons from harm — even when they know the harm will occur," said Darren L. Hutchinson, a professor and associate dean at the University of Florida School of Law.

https://mises.org/power-market/police-have-no-duty-protect-you-federal-court-affirms-yet-again

Yeah I didn't think so.....C'mon Eric just rest your brain for the day. You aren't even able to think simple thoughts

PurplePickles

@Bosco/Eric Trump

That's okay if you haven't actually read the Constitution, neither has your daddy. He had to have Fox News explain it to him so you can see why you may be misinformed about the constitution? Here is a link to actual Constitution,

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/

Notice it is from the actual government because of the web address .gov?

bosco

One question for the protesters, not the keyboard warriors here, would be "What is your goal and how will you know when you've reached it"

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C.D.Reid

It appears PP does not know the difference between a hypothetical question and a tangible one, bosco. Must be because he's more concerned with posting more of his juvenile rubbish. The other kids must have kicked him out of the sandbox again.

PurplePickles

@CD

See I knew you all read my posts..LOL Thinking thoughts can be hard on a Monday am I right? Though your thoughts aren't probably that hard to think CD. Simple thoughts from a simple mind, yes keep your thoughts simple on a Monday. I know that's what Eric does on a Monday, he keeps it simple, that's why you were able to understand his thoughts CD.

C.D.Reid

As I said, you're more concerned with posting more of your juvenile rubbish. Ever think about growing up, PP? You should try it sometime, adult life isn't as bad as you think it is.

PurplePickles

@CD

You mean grow up like you? No thank you! Though you do seem to enjoy responding to my “juvenile” posts, why do you think that is?

phydeaux994

Adult Life CD? Does bitchin’ and moanin’ 24/7 on the FNP Opinion Forum for years qualify you as an ADULT?? You don’t work, you don’t play, you don’t seem to enjoy ANYTHING except bitchin’ and moanin’ on the FNPOF. That’s not what Normal Adults do. They lead an adult life. You should get out of your yard and try it.

bosco

Fido, since you are the self-appointed moderator for the FNP boards, what hours are we allowed to post and how many posts during that period? Do your rules apply to you and the LLBTT as well?

BTW, I do have a life, a good one, and you do nothing but ridicule it when I do bother to mention it - such as a good day for a ride.

Face it, Fido, you are jealous.

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phydeaux994

When you mention you are going to put on your “colors* and climb on your “Harley” to go for a ride, you are trying to impress us about what a “tough” “macho” guy you are like those “Hells Angels” bad boys. Otherwise “I go for a nice ride in the country on my motorcycle”. Do you wear a red bandanna under your helmet too. I’m pretty sure you don’t wear a full face helmet.

BTW bosco, you know that calling me the “self appointed moderator” of the FNPOF is just another of your constant “fibs”. Why do you do that, it has absolutely no effect on anybody”?? Just wonderin’....? It seems a little silly to me.✌️

bosco

Fido, show me where I have ever mentioned colors when I ride. Come on man. Your projections are taking root in your brain and becoming your reality. [ninja]

bosco

CD, I don't worry about most members of Fido's LLBTT and when they pass gas disguised as a post. They are inconsequential and best just ignored as are most bullies and name callers.

So, CD, other than the LLBTT and Fido's posting restrictions, how's life?

[ninja]

bosco

Personally, I could not care less about any aspersions that you dream up and cast my way because you cannot wrap your juvenile brains around the fact that a Black man can be a conservative, ride a Harley, not be dependent upon Uncle Joe's plantation for cable scraps, worked hard and saved hard and am living the American dream that is available to all who work for it. Your opinions mean about as much to me as the gas you pass for original thoughts. Your projections and prejudices have become your own reality. Your posts convey very clearly for all to see how really inconsequential you are.

Life is good, get out there and enjoy it.

[ninja]

C.D.Reid

Not bad, bosco. It feels like it's going into Fall already and, after the heat this summer, I'm just about ready for it. It's gonna make for cooler riding for you, though. As far as fido's LLBTT (Liberal Left Bully Tag Team) goes, they seem to be trying to outdo each other with who can post the most childish and ignorant comments, and I'm tired of their garbage, Especially fido's. Did you see where he's now bugging me about who the most successful black man is in both Thurmont and Frederick County? Yeah, like I know. But he's going to try to make it look like I should, even though he doesn't know either. You're right though, they are inconsequential to say the least, and I'm planning on ignoring them more. I'm also really looking forward to another Trump win in November. Those people hate life so much today, but they're gonna hate it even more then. Hopefully they'll stay in their safe spaces for a while after the election.

C.D.Reid

Hey PP, when did bosco become black? He happened to have been born black, is that early enough for your infantile mind? Your girlfriend NewMarketMommy made the same mistake, and a total fool of himself in the process. I see you'd like to duplicate his stupidity. Go ahead, it's your right to do so (especially since you have a good start at it.)

C.D.Reid

WOW, quite the "comeback" when someone shows you that you're making a total fool of yourself again, PP!! I'm very impressed!! And, being one yourself, you should know all about snowflakes. Got your widdle safe space all clean and tidy for Nov. 3rd, do ya? Remenber: 1) Assume fetal position. 2) Insert thumb. 3) Cover self with blankie. 4) Wimper and cry. [lol][lol][lol]

NewMarketParent

One question for the keyboard warriors asking questions? Why would you respond to someone so disingenuous as Reek?

jwhamann

Hey protesters, can’t wait to see your shaky selfies on YouTube showing you having fun at your protest.

NewMarketParent

@jwhamann

He random FNP poster. Glad you think protesting is fun. It must be really hard to sit on your couch on the sidelines watching.

jwhamann

Why don’t they go down to DC and do some anti-Trump protesting at the White House? At the moment that’s more important.

bosco

Maybe they should join the Summer of Love in Portland, they've already missed over 100 days of Burning Looting and Mayhem there.

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NewMarketParent

@jwhamann

I know you would like to decide how/where people get to protest, but none of us does. It is part of our political process. Alternatively, we could fix the problems that are being protested and the protests would disappear like those 15 cases of COVID were supposed to.

jwhamann

And while I’m at it...look me in the eye and tell me you’re 100% sure that every protester who’s legal to vote has actually registered to vote:

NewMarketParent

@jwhamann

I would hope they are registered to vote, but have no data supporting one way or another. Their right to protest is just as protected as the right to vote.

penelopedevereux

Thank you Frederick Police for doing your job. I look forward to a day when laws are followed by all groups that want to protest.

sevenstones1000

I look forward to the day when laws are followed by the police. All of the police.

NewMarketParent

@sevenstones1000

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bosco

I look forward to the day when lawfull orders from the police are followed and everybody gets to go home safely. Everybody.

sjkmg1998

Truer words have never been spoken.

C.D.Reid

[thumbup][thumbup][thumbup][thumbup][thumbup] penelopedevereux ! Blue Lives Matter!!!

NewMarketParent

@C.D.Reid

I had no idea the Na'vi were being killed by the police too. You should get out and protest.

phydeaux994

As you can tell by the comments below, America can never heal. We cannot be “ONE NATION UNDER GOD” again, if we ever were. The wounds are too deep, 40% of the American population has joined the man/child in dividing us, creating a permanent breach. Putin has realized his lifelong desire, DIVIDE and CONQUER the United States of America. Read the link below, it may be our destiny.

https://theconversation.com/is-america-a-failing-state-how-a-superpower-has-been-brought-to-the-brink-139680

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, there was a sense history had ended, and that the United States represented a supreme endpoint.

Today, the US is not dominant, it is in crisis: convulsed by riots and protest, riven by a virus that has galloped away from those charged with overseeing it, and heading into a presidential election led by a man that has possibly divided the nation like no other before him.

Using the most common metrics available to political scientists, there are signs the United States is failing.

Until very recently, this idea was extraordinary, unthinkable to all but the most radical critics. But, the US is increasingly performing poorly on key predictors of state failure: ethnic and class conflict, democratic and institutional backsliding, and other socioeconomic indicators including healthcare and inequality.

Four more years of Donald John Trump will seal our fate. I weep for our Country. 😢

C.D.Reid

The tears of the liberals shall fill my chalice. [thumbup]

NewMarketParent

Looks like the WSOHR are here and in full effect running around and slapping each other high-fives.

PurplePickles

@NMP

They don't have an actual life outside being a keyboard warrior so you know the virtual high fives are all they have.Except CD he has someone but I don't think he gets many high fives at home, just sayin......

C.D.Reid

"They don't have an actual life outside being a keyboard warrior," PP? Is that a fact? Maybe you should look at all the childish comments you post before you go calling others "keyboard warriors." Or do you prefer to remain a keyboard juvenile?

NewMarketParent

@PurplePickles

I keep forgetting how sad the lives that people like CD must lead that they would take joy in "libruhl tears".

Probably not many high-fives to be had. Hard to do when your knuckles drag.

C.D.Reid

And, NewMarketMommy, if you were to say that you would not take joy in conservative tears you would be nothing but a liar.

NewMarketParent

@C.D.Reid

I do not take joy in conservative tears, but thanks for playing. Some of you guys can dish it, but sure can't take it. Y'all were always the biggest snowflakes.

There was a time where conservatives used to at least pay lip service to truth and justice. The mask is off now and you have revealed yourselves to be the racists that POC always saw you as.

I always thought and expected better of my countrymen, but you obviously only care about the ones whose skin color matches your own.

C.D.Reid

And, as I said NewMarketMommy, you're a liar.

corgikid

What have you done for your country? Go join the Marines and keep the US from failing as you call it.

phydeaux994

I tried but they said 80 is too old.🤷However, our oldest Grandson is at OCS at Fort Sam Houston in San Antonio as a Captain in the U.S. Army serving for our family this generation if that works for you. You are one of the 40% who value White Supremacy over a UNITED United States of America ‘kid. You are aiding and abetting a terrible, demented man/child who couldn’t care less about you or our Country. Read the article and then voice your opinion about what America will look like post-Trump. I”ll look forward to your reply. Peace✌️GOD BLESS AMERICA.

sevenstones1000

The Marines cannot save the US from the moral rot that has taken over this country.

NewMarketParent

@corgikid

Or.... or... People could just be concerned citizens. Not everyone has to take up arms and join the military to be concerned about our country.

PurplePickles

@NMP

But Corgikid, (probably an actual kid) thought that was such a good comeback to Phy and you've gone and done ruined that clever once a day thought he had. Now he won't post again until he gets a clever thought again.

C.D.Reid

At least, unlike you PP, corgikid is capable of clever thoughts. Your "thoughts" read like they're straight out of pre-school.

NewMarketParent

@PurplePickles

I guess we will never hear from it again.

C.D.Reid

Why don't we just not ever hear from you again, NMP?

MD1756

If what you say is true, its been happening a long time, not just the last four years, not just the last twelve years. The U.S. will be ok. What country in the world has held the number one position always? None. We need to ignore the radicals on both sides.

gabrielshorn2013

Exactly MD1756. American politics has become so polarized (on both sides) that compromise has become impossible. Doing so becomes supporting the enemy, and is the basis for getting, "primaried". That's the way each side designed it, and we're stuck with it. Unless that is, we opt out of the two party system.

NewMarketParent

@gabrielshorn2013

So. Are you publicly against the Tea Party?

gabrielshorn2013

@NMP Sep 14, 2020 8:25am

On some things yes, on some things no. I do not believe in a large government that holds sway over our lives from cradle to grave through taxation (the origins of the TEA party name). I do believe in personal freedoms, such as the right to choose.

NewMarketParent

@gabrielshorn2013

Then you do that the Tea Party is a complete Astroturf campaign funded by the Koch Brothers, right?

gabrielshorn2013

So? The Kochs are to the left what Soros is to the right. Irrelevant boogeyman. Don't you agree?

NewMarketParent

@MD1756

It definitely didn't start 12 years ago. It crescendo'd when a black man had the audacity to be president, but it is interesting that Faux News has you believing that it started 12 years ago and tells me how hard you cape for the cult.

MD1756

NMP, try rereading my statement. You are reading what you want to believe. I've said before, I'm a registered democrat (although I'm really an independent but independents don't get to vote in the primaries in MD). Just to highlight what I said "...its been happening a long time, not just the last four years, not just the last twelve years...."

The intent should have been clear in that Trump did not start the problems nor did Obama. That should not be hard to understand. I'm not a member of any "cult." I call out those on the left or right (and to be fair, anyone in the middle) when they hold illogical and/or contradictory positions. I'm not hung up on the race of anyone who runs for a political position. I don't care about their race, I care about their policies and particularly how it impacts human health and the environment. However, just to be accurate, Obama was half black/half white raised by his white mother but chose to identify as black. So what?

It seems that everyone you have a perceived issue with is guilty of being a right wing cult member. I don't watch cable news networks because they ceased being about the news a long time ago. Like Sgt. Friday I want just the facts. With your last statement, I have to wonder if you aren't projecting your own biases/discriminations onto others?

NewMarketParent

@MD1756

You are absolutely right and I misread what you wrote. I apologize.

MD1756

Thank you for your apology. It shows character.

NewMarketParent

@phydeaux994

Just remember that a lot of this turmoil is being fed not only by racist propaganda generated by the right, it is being fed by other countries who only want to knock the U.S. down some pegs.

vodalone

As someone who has traveled the world over, I don't understand how Americans can think that the U.S. somehow is immune to wide spread social unrest or even civil war, it literally happened not that long ago. We tend to look at nations around the world where there are civil wars and unrest, shake our head and say "Never in our United States this would happen". The truth is it could happen, and it doesn't take much. This nation is geographically protected well by two large oceans from enemies abroad, but that doesn't matter if the unrest is from within.

NewMarketParent

@vodalone

I know, right? I mean the infiltration of the police by white supremacists is definitely not helpful to keeping society civil.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement

bosco

I wonder if the Black Hog boarded up their windows just to taunt them this time?

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C.D.Reid

Nah, these couple of dozen "protesters" were most likely seen for what they are, the last remnants of a "worthy cause." It'll die off until another drugged up black criminal refuses to obey a lawful order from a police officer, and resists arrest for a crime he was committing. Then it'll start back up again.

sue1955

Well said, CD.

C.D.Reid

Thanks sue. I'm a realist.

sevenstones1000

So the police do drug tests before they shoot people in cold blood?

C.D.Reid

Well, NewMarketMommy, we knew to include you in with the common trash right from your first post.

C.D.Reid

Sure seven, they do a drug test before they kill a resisting criminal and, if he doesn't have any drugs in him, they give him some first. Rather than ask dumb questions, why don't you do some research and see just how many of those people who died in police custody were high on at least one drug? Most of them were found to have multiple drugs in their systems when arrested.

NewMarketParent

@sevenstones1000

CD went right from racist to making up statistics to support his racist views. At least he is trying to be scientific in his racism. Can't be racist if you can make up a statistic on the spot to support your racism. *taps head*

PurplePickles

@NMP

Scientific racism, now I have never thought of racism scientifically but I see the science in CD's post. Though I do wonder how many scientific experiments have been done on him? I'm thinking a couple hundred more should do the trick. what are you thoughts on that NMP?

C.D.Reid

Just what statistics did I make up, NMMommy?

timberman

Kudos to the PCPD is far past time to stop the Tail from Wagging the Dog The rights of the many should not be diminished by the acts of the few

NewMarketParent

@timberman

I really hope to never see you protesting if you feel like your rights are being trampled on.

yogib

Interesting to see that those who think a peaceful protest is tiresome, are most likely white people who have not faced the lifelong discrimination as have people of color. Very typical that those who complain are those who continually create exploitations of persons of color and then contend that protestors are "in their way"

threecents

These demonstrations are tiresome. Awareness is already raised. The only thing the current demonstrations are raising is backlash and Covid-19 rates. The point now should be to change the problems that caused the demonstrations. BLM can't just be about wanting change without actually working for specific changes.

bosco

threecents [thumbup].... [ninja]

gabrielshorn2013

[thumbup][thumbup][thumbup] Three

NewMarketParent

@threecents

What is the purpose of protest? Is it to make the majority comfortable?

threecents

I went to an early protest in Frederick, and it was great. I was surprised that they had another protest in Frederick the next day... and that there are still protests going on all over the place. But to answer your question, the purpose of a protest should be to raise awareness for the next stage, which is making changes. Making people feel uncomfortable as a goal in itself will just result in backlash and deeper divisions. The awareness that has been raised could then be wasted.

threecents

And hopefully the goal is not to spread Covid-19, but there is another of those darn very real unintended consequences.

NewMarketParent

@threecents

It is not just to raise awareness. It is to force change to address a grievance. It is not supposed to be convenient. Sit-ins were not about awareness.

C.D.Reid

The purpose of protest is to give you a warm, fuzzy feeling so you can sleep at night, NMMommy.

C.D.Reid

How do people who complain continually create exploitations of "persons of color?"

bosco

Good for Frederick PF. Blocking traffic is not the way to endear your cause to people.

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C.D.Reid

Neither is shouting through a bullhorn at people eating dinner, spray painting graffiti, ordering diners to raise a fist in a Nazi type salute to your "cause," rioting, burning, looting or killing. But they do it all.

yogib

Yeah, interrupting the meals of "respectable white citizens" does not equate the same as interrupting the lives of persons of color who are demanding equality, so they too can enjoy the life of the diners.

bosco

I didn't realize that only White people were permitted to eat downtown. Here's a clue for you yogi, your prejudice is showing.

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C.D.Reid

How are the lives of blacks being interrupted to where they can't enjoy the life of the diners? There are far, far too many highly successful blacks out there for your argument to hold water, yogib.

phydeaux994

Who is the most successful Black person in Thurmont CD? Or in Frederick County Maryland for that matter. You and the other White Supremacists of America are a HUGE part of the problem under the leadership of Donald John Trump. The United States of America was NOT LIKE THIS 5 YEARS AGO, was it CD???

bosco

Are you a White Supremacist or a racist, CD? I lose track of Fido's rants.

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C.D.Reid

Wow fido, you haven't been posting as much of your vitriol rhetoric lately as you usually do but, when you do, you sure have your "knickers in a twist," as our friend would say. I believe you're a prime example of how the Left is getting so much more and more nervous (terrified?) of ANOTHER Trump victory in November, that any semblance of reason you may ever have had is now far down the toilet.

phydeaux994

BOTH bosco, just like you and your ilk. Why is that so hard for you to understand. Just read the comments that you and CD post, it’s obvious.

C.D.Reid

Re. your 5:30pm bosco; I don't know, ask fido. He wouldn't lie. ([lol][lol][lol])

bosco

Fido, what's your criteria for successful Black in FredCo? Got an annual income benchmark? White collar or blue collar? Education level? Home owner or renter? Cadillac or Toyota? Criminal record? Democrat or Republican? Politician or honest person? Tell us. What does a successful Black person look like to you?

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phydeaux994

CD, I have never proclaimed that Biden now, or Hillary in 2016, were a slam dunk, even when Hillary was said to be a slam dunk. And I know he can win again by the Electoral College. And I do fear that, as I feared him winning in 2016 because I knew he would try to destroy America. He turned us into a Dictatorship in 3 years, above the Rule of Law, uncontrolled by the Constitution. In his second term, he will “disappear” his enemies, demonize the Left, and join Putin and Kim Jong Un and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Satan and Assad and a Erdogan as “StrongMen”. And then he will take your guns away, as all “StrongMen” do. And your tears will fill your Chalice.

C.D.Reid

Yeah, yeah, yeah, fido...[yawn] Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.............................

phydeaux994

I am using the same definition of “successful” that CD used in his 2:03 p.m. post.

phydeaux994

I just luv the yawn and the more Zzzzzzzz’s the better. That means CD is totally clueless about how to respond. That is CD’s white flag 🏳️of baffled surrender. He is speechless. 🤷 😂🤣

C.D.Reid

No fido, again you're wrong. The yawn and the Zzzzzzzz’s does not mean that I'm totally clueless about how to respond to you, though I'm sure you would like to think so. They just mean that, once again, you've posted more of the same old crap that you've posted over and over and over again and I'm just bored with you, that's all. And you say I have no life. [lol][lol][lol]

bosco

Have you upped my daily allowance of posts here, Fido? You usually complain about how often I post, how early I posted, etc. Just curious about your ever changing rules/rants.

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NewMarketParent

@yogib

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NewMarketParent

@phydeaux994

Call it for what it is. It is pretty sad that their only defense for racism and white supremacy is to say that they are not the same thing and try to split the baby.

Blueline

As Shakespeare would say, much ado about nothing.

Reader1954

you have a right to PEACEFULLY protest but not to infringe on my right to peace

C.D.Reid

Exactly! They just don't care that some people couldn't care less about their "cause" and simply want to have a peaceful dinner without someone screaming through a bullhorn at them. There's a time and a place for this kind of behavior, and this wasn't it.

KellyAlzan

Same said about your comments here

C.D.Reid

And yours too, Plumbum. How many "millions" did Santos get? How many Pagans were involved at Cactus Flats? Keep 'em coming, hon, they're always great for a laugh! [lol]

bosco

I see Batman is still there.

[batman]

threecents

Justice League irony.

sevenstones1000

THere is no “right to peace” in the Constitution. Especially in the face of injustice, your personal peace may have to be sacrificed.

petersamuel

Having a protester/disturber-of-the-peace like 7stones citing the Constitution as an authority is progress -- even if the citation is silly. The whole purpose of the Constitution is to institute representative government one of whose purposes is to prevent protesters or any other self-appointed group putting themselves above the people. The protesters can chant and shout and scream as much as they like about representing the people, but they do not. They represent only themselves. And when the real people through their elected representatives enact laws about use of the streets and about public nuisance, then the police are serving the public when they prevent unlawful street occupation and when they limit the protesters nuisance to outdoor diners. We have government and law to regulate conflicting interests as peacefully as possible. The alternative is intimidation by mobs, and violent conflict with fists and guns.

gabrielshorn2013

If your premise were true seven, a charge of "disturbing the peace" would be unconstitutional. It is not.

public-redux

It’s an interesting question, gabe. Disturbing the peace means, AFAIK, disturbing the public peace and not any one individual’s peace. I suppose one could inquire if it is possible to disturb an individual’s peace without simultaneously disturbing the public peace. I suspect it is. For example, someone could call another person’s phone every 5 minutes. That might well be illegal but would it be disturbing the peace?

C.D.Reid

Excellent point, gabe. [thumbup]

gabrielshorn2013

I would tend to agree with your interpretation public. Here is the law found in COMAR:

2010 Maryland Code

CRIMINAL LAW

TITLE 10 - CRIMES AGAINST PUBLIC HEALTH, CONDUCT, AND SENSIBILITIES

Subtitle 2 - Disturbing the Peace, Disorderly Conduct, and Related Crimes

Section 10-201 - Disturbing the public peace and disorderly conduct.

§ 10-201. Disturbing the public peace and disorderly conduct.

(c) Prohibited.-

(1) A person may not willfully and without lawful purpose obstruct or hinder the free passage of another in a public place or on a public conveyance.

(2) A person may not willfully act in a disorderly manner that disturbs the public peace.

https://law.justia.com/codes/maryland/2010/criminal-law/title-10/subtitle-2/10-201#:~:text=(1)%20A%20person%20may%20not,that%20disturbs%20the%20public%20peace.

Apparently Maryland provides an individual claim under (a). However, I would consider your example to be harassment.

https://law.justia.com/codes/maryland/2010/criminal-law/title-3/subtitle-8/3-803/

MD1756

public-redux, when one combines the concept of "...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness..." mentioned in the Declaration of Independence as unalienable rights with the preamble of the U.S. Constitution (that first paragraph before Article I), I think it is covered pretty well.

The right to peaceably assemble does not give one the right to block streets, or adversely impact other people's lives no matter how good the cause is. I find it ironic that out of 50 people who showed up apparently 25 of them were there primarily for the entertainment. Those shown in the photograph do not look like they "own" much of anything public since they mostly llok to be too young to have paid much if any income tax and/or property tax.

Maybe this is an area of police work protesters are talking about when they say defund the police... defund operations that protect people illegally blocking access to streets, stores, etc., after all we have a police force to protect the general welfare of the community not those who wish to break the law. Personally, I don't like it when streets are blocked so someone can have a parade, but as those are few and far between and generally well known, I reluctantly tolerate it and plan my personal business to avoid known issues like that unlike these types of protests.

public-redux

gabe, Thanks for looking that up. I too think my example would be harassment.

public-redux

MD1756,

Your response seems to miss my point about public versus private peace.

That being said, the DoI is not part of US law so we can ignore it in this instance. People’s lives are indeed subject to adverse impacts thanks to the right to peaceably assemble. Consider the adverse impacts upon the family and friends of dead service members when the Westboro Baptist Church peaceably assembled at their funerals to inveigh against homosexuality.

MD1756

Public-redux, I understand. However in the case of a protest you are essentially talking about public peace (although there are other personal peace examples that could be given, for example, noise codes are often based on the noise level of the receiving property which could very well be private property.) The point I was making was in response to Sevenstones saying "THere is no “right to peace” in the Constitution." and I believe that while that specific language is not in the U.S. Constitution, that doesn't mean it is not covered by other language. When language used in a document is on its face, not clear or clearly defined, one looks at preamble language or other contemporaneous documents for meaning and the Declaration of Independence talks about rights just as the constitution does and so it is an appropriate reference to cite especially since it was the product of a legislative body establishing a legal separation of the colonies from England. Additionally, plenty of constitutional cases reference the Federalist and Anit-federalist papers in their arguments which clearly are not legal documents (whereas the DoI is a legal document). Finally, my statement about adverse impacts was meant more about physical impacts (i.e., blocking one's path, making so much noise that lawful business cannot be conducted, etc.), not just showing up and being there visually. I'm no fan of the Westboro Baptist Church actions and if they cross the line (for example, make so much noise as to prevent the service from being conducted) they should be arrested and heavily fined.

corgikid

Then bring it on boy.

C.D.Reid

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phydeaux994

I think it’s already here ‘kid. 6,000,000 infected and rising @ 40,000 a day, 1,000 a day dying with no end in sight. And Trump still holding Rallies with 1000’s despite Governors trying to follow Trump Guidelines. You think he gives a 💩 for those people there, he is just using them as a prop to get him re-elected. And they don’t get that!! 🦧🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑

NewMarketParent

@Reader1954

What exactly is your right to peace? Were they at your home? I am sure they should come and consult you next time to make sure that they make a wide birth as to not affect your peace. Y'all are some serious snowflakes.

C.D.Reid

Looks like support for their little cause is petering out. Finally.

crc1busdriver

Thank Goodness! This is totally out of control. Professional protesters.

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petersamuel

Trump is such a boastful blabbermouth he is incapable of such guile. He'd be bragging about it on twitter or to a Bob Woodward within five minutes.

public-redux

petersamuel, There was a good deal of speculation that the Russians didn’t collude with the Trump campaign because they didn’t trust the campaign not to blab about it.

bosco

And if you step back and think about it, why would the Russians want to help Trump get elected. Hillary would be a better choice for the Russians - she had already sold them 1/4 of our uranium stockpile.

It appears that China and Iran are trying to help Biden get elected this time around. I wonder how that will pan out?

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C.D.Reid

I'll just about guarantee you one thing, bosco, we'll never hear about it from the MSM.

public-redux

bosco, Russian evidently disagreed with your analysis of their interests. They helped elect Trump; they didn’t need to collude with the Trump campaign to do that. Russian may have concluded that the Trump campaign would in fact hinder the Russian effort to help elect Trump.

Funny how all that uranium is still in the US.

PurplePickles

@bosco/Eric Trump

Eric and if you step back and think about it, turn around and make sure you aren’t too close to a pile of uranium, I’m seeing the quality of your posts decline.

phydeaux994

Before Trump bosco, Putin was out of the picture, leading a failing Country. Post Trump bosco, the head of the most Powerful Country in the World, still broke but in charge. And he OWNS Trump, he’s got the goods on him for sure. Jump Donald, JUMP.😂🤣

NewMarketParent

@public-redux

They did help him, but they mostly did it in a way that allows everyone plausible deniability and that's what you see them doing every day to dodge accountability.

NewMarketParent

@Roscoe

Wow... Uranium One? You are still stuck on that thoroughly debunked gunk? You don't read much do you?

C.D.Reid

More like common rabble rousers, crc1.

NewMarketParent

@crc1busdriver

I too would like my check for professionally protesting. Where can I get paid for it? I'm guessing you are going to say your goto, Soros.

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