When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty.” — Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)

To Thomas Jefferson, the fulcrum between the people and the government they have elected was fear. He argued succinctly that the government would only respect liberty if it feared losing power.

Today, the relationship between people and government is power. Does the government have the power to tell us how to make personal choices, or do we have the power to tell the government to take a hike?

Stated differently, does the government work for us or do we work for the government?

Jefferson’s answer to that question in 1801, the year he became president, was that the government worked for us. Today, unfortunately, this same question has two answers — a functional one and a formal one. One would stumble answering this question if one looked only at how some state governors are treating the people for whom they claim to be working. One needs to look as well at the nature of government in a free society.

Six months ago, no one could have imagined where we are in America today. Then, if anyone had suggested that the governors of all 50 states, in varying degrees of severity, would be using police to interfere with personal choices — choices that we and our forbearers have all made without giving a second thought to the preferences of the government — no one would have believed it.

Think for a moment of how you would have reacted to any pre-COVID-19 idea that the police in America — using not the force of opinion but the force of arms — would prevent you from going out of your home, operating your business, jogging in a park, patronizing a restaurant or clothing store, buying a garden hose, going to Mass or church or temple or mosque or even joining a small public gathering of folks who want to protest these prohibitions.

Where did these prohibitions come from? They have come from the ever-changing edicts of governors and mayors, who rely on the ever-changing evaluations of medical data from an ever-changing cast of scientific experts. They are the pronouncements of politicians who have forgotten that they are elected to enforce laws, not to write them, and to be the servants of the people, not their masters.

Why do Americans accept this? We are a nation born in a bloody revolution against a king. The founders of America made the profound and indisputable choice of establishing a government dedicated to the cacophony of liberty over the illusion of safety.

They embedded that choice in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. The former states, unequivocally, that no government is legitimate without the consent of the governed and that government’s principal duty is to secure our rights.

The latter — which expressly protects the right to make personal choices — is the supreme law of the land, and thus all governmental acts are subordinate to it.

We have fought wars against tyrants who wanted to tell us how to live. Today, we have elected our masters who are doing just that.

Americans seem to accept the restrictions on our rights to speech, religion, travel and commercial activities simply because the origin of those restrictions is a popularly elected person. But even an elected government can be tyrannical.

Should you bow to these restrictions merely because their authors were elected and they have persuaded your neighbors that the prohibitions are for their own good — the Declaration and the Constitution be damned?

Stated differently, the governments that have interfered with our well-established rights to go about our daily lives as we see fit — taking chances whenever we cross the street, drink a glass of water, bite into food, sit next to a stranger on a train or at a baseball game, or go through a green light in our vehicles — have failed their first obligation, which is to safeguard our freedoms to take those chances.

Instead of safeguarding our freedoms — our natural rights to make personal choices — the governors and their police enforcers have treated us as if we work for them.

Does the government work for us or do we work for the government? Formally, it works for us. We elect officials because we trust their judgment. We authorize those officials to protect our rights, and we prohibit them from interfering with our personal choices.

For a few weeks now, I thought the most extreme of these governors has been Gov. Phil Murphy of New Jersey, who publicly admitted that he didn’t think or care about the Bill of Rights, even though he took an oath to uphold it. Yet, Gov. Tom Wolf of Pennsylvania has surpassed him.

When Wolf learned that some Pennsylvania county sheriffs would not use force to enforce his non-law edicts, and some public accommodations would open their doors — consistent with public safety but in defiance of his non-law edicts — he threatened to withhold state aid from all who live in those counties and to close the liquor stores that, by his non-law edicts, remain open.

This is straight out of 1930s Germany — punish the community because of the resistance of a few. In Wolf’s Pennsylvania, the people work for the government.

My colleagues at The Wall Street Journal have unearthed the facts that more Americans die annually from heart disease, cancer, accidents and non-COVID-19 respiratory failure than die annually (annualized) from this coronavirus. Every death diminishes me. So does every suppression of liberty. So does every denial of the right to make choices and take risks.

Does the government really work for us, or are we afraid of it?

(82) comments

bosco

At first, we agreed to be locked down to flatten the curve so as not to overwhelm thr health care system. We have since learned that the most vulnerable were nursing home/congregate living facilities. Those were finally locked down and rigorous testing implemented for staff and residents. The media accused Georgia of human sacrifice when they opened their economy three weeks ago and their numbers continue to drop. For the majority of the population, the virus is a non-event. Since the death rate is declining, the media is now focusing on cases - which are bound to increase as more testing is done and more positives show up. We have exchanged our freedoms for an ever-changing goal of what? Zero positive tests?

Civil disobedience is taking root. How much longer before a case of free choice breaks out?

doitforahobby

Whatever happened to "In GOD We Trust"

prg45fan

Doit, 1962 Engel v. Vitale.

jagman

One of main reasons people always seem to take issue with Judge Napolitano is the fact he is a strict Constitutionalist. Since the vast majority of those on the left and a goodly percentage of those on the right think of the U.S. Constitution as an obstacle to their desired mission, it's easy to bristle at anyone who points out the obvious concerning public policy.

I admit that as a libertarian I sometimes have some issue with what Nap says. However, when that happens I pull out my copy of the greatest government contract every created. Within I can find exactly why he makes his point.

gary4books

News to me. I thought he was mad.

jagman

Thanks, Gary. You made my point perfectly.

gary4books

And you made my point: it is mad to believe theories over reality and reality is that which does not go away when you stop believing in it.

Jackrabb1t

The Constitution is the highest law of the land. In a sense, it IS America. Sadly I think we are approaching a time when partisans will attempt to use the government machine to subvert the Constitution.

America isn't dead yet though, thank God. But that line in the sand keep creeping up on us.

gary4books

Approaching? I think it has been a near constant activity. Many just ignore the Constitution or pick the parts they like and never mention the rest. I hate "what it really means is.." because I can read. I know what it says. Give me a break.

Greg F

How many trump loyalist sheep who were so against ACA, unemployment, welfare and any socialist type safety nets are now begging for them? How many people who screamed against Bernie and his mandatory minimum wage guarantee now wish they had that? You voted the orange idiot in there who made everything worse by doing the polar opposite. You still don’t wear masks. You still think this is just the flu. Many of you still think the south won and waive confederate flags in defiance. Not one iota of sympathy.

phydeaux994

Sorry for the duplication, I have no idea how that occurred.

phydeaux994

“Vaccine or no vaccine, we are back”....South Korea and the U.S. had their 1st Coronavirus deaths the same day. The U.S. has 6 times the population of South Korea but 1/15 the density of the population. South Korea has had 260 Coronavirus deaths, 1560 deaths adjusted for population. The U.S. has 87,000 Coronavirus deaths, one American dying every 45 seconds of the disease. The U.S., with few exceptions, has the worst record for Coronavirus deaths and cases per million citizens. WHY? By Trump’s own declaration we have the best Scientists and Medical Research Facilities in the World, yet the WORST record for managing the Coronavirus Pandemic. So again, WHY?? Well, if you saw Dr. Bright testify yesterday you’d know why. Every warning from the very first day and before, from him, from W.H.O., from Dr. Fauci, from Dr. Birx, Mr. Bowen, who had been warning CDC for the last decade about Testing and PPE shortages, was IGNORED, and Dr. Bright and Dr. Messonnier, a CDC Official, were demoted for their complaints about the management of the Coronavirus. And Mitch McConnell apologizing today about the things he said about President not having a Plan, which he did and it was not implemented. has 6 times the population of South Korea but 1/15 the density of the population. South Korea has had 260 Coronavirus deaths, 1560 deaths adjusted for population. The U.S. has 87,000 Coronavirus deaths, one American dying every 45 seconds of the disease. The U.S., with few exceptions, has the worst record for Coronavirus deaths and cases per million citizens. WHY? By Trump’s own declaration we have the best Scientists and Medical Research Facilities in the World, yet the WORST record for managing the Coronavirus Pandemic. So again, WHY?? Well, if you saw Dr. Bright testify yesterday you’d know why. Every warning from the very first day and before, from him, from W.H.O., from Dr. Fauci, from Dr. Birx, from Mr. Bowen, who had been warning CDC for the last decade about Testing and PPE shortages, was IGNORED, and Dr. Bright and Dr. Messonnier, a CDC Official, were demoted for their complaints about the management of the Coronavirus. And Mitch McConnell apologizing today about the things he said about President Obama not having a Plan, which he did and it was not implemented. It’s all coming out, little by little, the MASSIVE FAILURE of Trump which CONTINUES TODAY!! “Vaccine or no vaccine, we are back”...if it takes every life in America!! WE ARE BACK!!!

Obadiah Plainsmen

How did a Republic founded on the hypocrisy that “all men are created equal” while the author of those words continued to hold human beings as property all his adult life. Flourish into the greatest nation ever on earth and rapidly decline into pasture of lost sheep?

olefool

Trump says "Vaccine or no vaccine, we're opening up"... So we must assume that he is willing to sacrifice over two or three million American lives as a remedy for his malfeasance and dalliences during December, January, February and March that allowed this pandemic to grow out of control and infect all those poor souls. He's probably calculating that all those deaths will reduce the number of jobless people making his "numbers" look better. Can you believe that he says that testing and not the virus is what causes the infections.

gabrielshorn2013

The President does not have the authority to "open up" states under our Federal system olefool. Nowhere does Article II of the Constitution give him that power, and the 10th Amendment further clarifies that all powers not stated in the Constitution as Federal remain with the states and the people. Therefore, the States can tell DJT to go jump in a lake if they wish, and remain shut down until they're ready. They may also open up before the Federal guidelines say they should, if they so choose.

olefool

So you're saying that Trump is just a wet turkey with no power other than persuasion? Then why does he act like he's a monarch with all power?

jagman

He doesn't. You've been listening to too much msdnc.

And the point you ignored is that the federal government doesn't have the authority to shut down our economy. I happen to believe the state governments don't have that authority either. The Tenth Amendment does not grant states to right to ignore the first nine.

Regardless, state governors tanked the economy. They have to reverse that action.

Greg F

The virus and it’s effect tanked the economy. Open too early and you’ll kill what remnants remain.

jagman

Petty dictators (previously known as state governors) shut down the economy. That is quite clear.

Would the virus have had some marginal affect on the economy? Of course. Everything does.

You evade the point, however. State governors have imposed these draconian policies. State governors must repeal them.

It's NOT a federal issue.

bosco

You are right, GregF, open too early and we will kill what remains - Of The Economy. Of course, that would make AOC and the Green New Dealers happy - no cars, no planes, no farting cows, and the government would give everyone free money, education, and health insurance. Utopia. It's already working in Cuba and Venezuela. [ninja]

Dwasserba

"Then, if anyone had suggested that the governors of all 50 states, in varying degrees of severity, would be using police to interfere with personal choices...." back then, maybe the eventual systemic Bubba Culture was not as obvious? I dunno

jagman

So, hard working motivated small business owners are "bubba culture"?

How little you know.

Greg F

Not a nation of sheep, a nation of jerks. https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/15/health/social-distancing-jerk-conflict-stress-coronavirus-wellness/index.html

Steve Neilsen

Speaking of sheep...

https://twitter.com/kevinvesey/status/1261001977598808065?s=21

Steve Neilsen

President Trump and his cult of Republicans and supporters have met this pandemic, and decided to take the side of the virus.

threecents

After first blaming Obama, even McConnell is backtracking and basically saying that. https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/05/15/mcconnell-says-he-was-wrong-to-claim-obama-didnt-leave-a-pandemic-playbook/24311307/

LAR1

Governments are also supposed to protect the people, which is what has been attempted. According to polls, a majority of US people support stay-at-home to mitigate the virus. Unfortunately, the minority has been more vocal and more active, so stay-at-home is failing and the virus will not be mitigated. Instead, we will have to rely on the development of herd immunity, which will take time and will bring significant morbidity and mortality. The next few years will be a very difficult and sad time. We may, at some point, have a safe and effective vaccine, but it will take time, probably more time that the development of herd immunity.

gary4books

Herd Immunity is a byproduct of vaccinations. Wikipedia writes: "Herd immunity was recognized as a naturally occurring phenomenon in the 1930s when it was observed that after a significant number of children had become immune to measles, the number of new infections temporarily decreased, including among susceptible children. Mass vaccination to induce herd immunity has since become common and proved successful in preventing the spread of many infectious diseases."

LAR1

I found a more thorough Wikipedia definition of “herd immunity.” People can become immune to a disease because they had the disease and built an effective immune response with memory, or via vaccination. From Wikipedia:

“Herd immunity (also called herd effect, community immunity, population immunity, or social immunity) is a form of indirect protection from infectious disease that occurs when a large percentage of a population has become immune to an infection, whether through vaccination or previous infections, thereby providing a measure of protection for individuals who are not immune.[1][2] In a population in which a large proportion of individuals possess immunity, such people being unlikely to contribute to disease transmission, chains of infection are more likely to be disrupted, which either stops or slows the spread of disease.[3] The greater the proportion of immune individuals in a community, the smaller the probability that non-immune individuals will come into contact with an infectious individual, helping to shield non-immune individuals from infection.[1]”

The minority of the US population apparently prefers to attain herd immunity via infection of the majority of the population, thus the sadly successful demand to open up the country.

gary4books

We are really on the "same page" and I just wanted to keep it short so people would actually read it. Your point is well taken.

Greg F

I wonder how many of those who can't be told what to do and waive guns and confederate flags also were the ones who loved to tell others to get in the back of the bus. Now they want to do what they want to do, while the worst affected counties seem to be those with heavy minority population.

bosco

Being heavy is indeed one of the risk factors for the virus, as is the high blood and the sugar diabetes. Since the coronavirus is equal opportunity, what forces are at work in the minority communities? Could it be that the man ain't tellin' me what to do? Could it be a culture of lax handwashing? Or, can you just blame it on whitey?

Greg F

Could it be a generations long suppression leading them into where they are now? Redlining, job opportunities, discrimination, prejudice...really Bosco...you forget that that conservatives once enslaved and entire race and even now we have a POTUS that is an admitted white nationalist. Tell me there is no systemic issue with racial bias and prejudice...you can gaslight if you want, but we all see through you.

bosco

Don't forget it was the party of Lincoln who freed the slaves, what became today's Republican party. And, can you provide the quote where Trump proclaimed he is a white nationalist?

threecents

"A culture of lax hand washing"? History really does repeat itself. That was actually a racist trope that led to popularity of machine-made white bread. A lot of Americans assumed that bread makers, who were mostly immigrants and other poor people, were mostly unclean and spread diseases. Bleached white bread was sold as the healthy alternative. https://www.ranker.com/list/racist-history-of-wonder-bread/melissa-sartore

threecents

Bosco, Today's Republican party is nothing like the Republican party of Lincoln's time. You are smart, so you know that. You are a closet non-racist. Come out of the closet.[batman]

phydeaux994

bosco, the Republican Party of Lincoln’s time is the Democratic Party of today. Read “Battle Cry of Freedom: The Civil War Era” by James McPherson. There were many more Parties at that time that evolved into today’s Republican and Democratic Parties.

phydeaux994

When President Donald Trump declared himself a “nationalist,” he was telling the truth, but he was inadequately specific.

On Sunday morning, the president told four members of Congress to “go back” to the countries “from which they came.” The remark, a racist taunt with a historic pedigree, inspired a flurry of fact-checking from mainstream journalists who were quick to note that Rashida Tlaib, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ayanna Pressley, and Ilhan Omar are American citizens, and that only Omar was born abroad, in Somalia. It was a rather remarkable exercise in missing the point.

Read: The nationalist’s delusion

When Trump told these women to “go back,” he was not making a factual claim about where they were born. He was stating his ideological belief that American citizenship is fundamentally racial, that only white people can truly be citizens, and that people of color, immigrants in particular, are only conditionally American. This is a cornerstone of white nationalism, and one of the president’s few closely held ideological beliefs.

threecents

Phy, I am in no way a fan of the squad, but that statement Trump made is one of at least 100 things Trump did that should automatically disqualify him as Anyone's choice for president. It boggles the mind that he has a chance to be re-elected.

Greg F

Bosco, we see through you that you attempt to play the republicans of Lincoln to be the same now as them. The fact you ignor purposely is that the party lines are polar opposites of what they were back then. Conservatives were slave holders primarily and democrats back then. Conservative Democrats flipped and are now republicans of today...as much as republicans of that day are now Democrats and the liberal sect. It’s well documented, yet ignored when you try to paint yourself like a hero or with those values. It’s a sad attempt, really...and a typical extremist tactic.

Greg F

Here is just one of hundreds of documents on the party flip. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/hdn/hrlm/p/callback.html

Obadiah Plainsmen

Two good questions and a one word Answer. Where did these prohibitions come from? Why do Americans accept this? Thomas Jefferson used it in his statement , it is FEAR. Americans are sheep along with the rest of mankind because of the FEAR of death. You tell mankind if you don't do this or that you will die they will follow every instruction, order, decree to the letter. If the FEAR turns out to be less than anticipated, then FEAR subsides and bravery begins to resurface.

The funny thing is nobody gets out of this life alive anyway, so why is there any FEAR at all.

gary4books

Fear is a natural adaption to danger. It may even be part of our genetic information. It does lead to denial. That is the problem now. Many deny the danger to avoid fear. What to do about them?

Steve Neilsen

We don’t have to do anything about them. In this case, natural selection will run its course.

Greg F

Fine, Steve, but in their zealous ignorance, they are going to take out bystanders.

gary4books

I know, Steve, but natural selection is so very harsh when they just want to follow their ideals. They need better and more complete information in many cases.

Obadiah Plainsmen

All will die, some sooner than others.

gary4books

And the Preacher said "Vanity of vanities, all is vanity!"

pukashell

The only thing that I fear in this global pandemic is the abject stupidity of people who are willing to abandon common sense safety measures like wearing masks and social distancing in the belief that they are doing something patriotic. People have legitimate grievances which can be addressed but don't need to be at the point of a gun. If that is where we are as a society then the American experiment has failed. Please note, I am responding to your comment, not labeling you as one of those people.

Hayduke2

Faux Patriots, just like the author of this piece.

Dwasserba

The reaction is fight or flight. There's nowhere to fly, and flying presents risks. Fighting involves experts who mostly don't seem like good ol' boys we'd want to have a beer with. Oh what to do what to do

gary4books

New York Times: "Remember Mr. Obama’s stinging comeback to those urging that he socialize more with congressional Republicans to try to forge a warmer rapport? “Why don’t you have a drink with Mitch McConnell!” he cracked in 2013 at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner, to much laughter and applause."

Greg F

Oby...if you want to be a lemming, please follow the pack of nitwits off the cliff that want to go early. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows this is not your average virus, and the more research there is, the worse it gets. Researchers are warning we could have upwards of 650k deaths in the US if this rebounds due to early reopening, or even more. That's worse than 1918...though, we do have more population now. Anyone with scientific background except the 1 of 10 dentists who don't like Flouride will not recommend what is being done now. People are restless and do need help, but the calls to open by Trump are backed by his interest to bring profit back to his own businesses (golf resorts, hotels, casinos) and help his buddies keep funding his campaign by keeping their businesses open too. He cares nothing about anyone but himself.

sevenstones1000

So wait - you mean the draft that sent young men to a senseless death in VietNam was illegal?

That’s what we hippies were trying to tell you guys! Finally, you admit we were right!

gary4books

OK. You were right. Where do we send the lollypop?

sevenstones1000

Save your jokes for all the men who died and were wounded there.

gabrielshorn2013

Careful seven. Lots of vets here, including Gary, who served in Viet Nam.

gary4books

A legal draft? I thought so and joined before the draft letter arrived. I was in Basic Training when it arrived. But our people (men and women) died in earnest. When I was with the First Infantry (66-87) we were dedicated to our work.

gary4books

OOPS - (66-67) one year.

Greg F

Author forgets quarantine was used in 1918 - and that state and national emergency powers provide the authorities to do what is needed to mitigate and remedy the emergencies. Wearing a mask is not tyranny, it is a helpful thing to do to stop spread of a lethal pathogen. Mindlessness is taking over this nation and we have a subversive president inciting gun-toting lunatics to come out of the woodwork.

Hollowed Ground

Let the judge march with the gun-toting anarchists and take his medical advice from Trump. I'll march with the government and take my medical advice from Fauci. The gun toters never did anything for anyone. Certainly not for blacks or any other minority. I never saw them wave their silly guns and demand justice for Trayvon Martin's murderer, or anything of the sort. Never. They are useless for ensuring civil rights. They should be out waving their guns demanding Trump stop breaking laws, but you will never see them do that.

jsklinelga

Judge Nap"s opinion misses one crucial point: we are the government. Too often we project the people and the government as separate entities. No elected official nor any law is permanent. These are troublesome times with no clear answers or definitive information to guide us. Our elected leaders make calculated choices to protect us but in the end it will be the people who make the final rulings. That is why we cherish the 2nd Amendment.

Hollowed Ground

When 2nd Amendment anarchists point their guns at the government, the government has every right to defend itself with everything it has. Your silly guns don't stand a chance. Just try pointing one at a judge or governor and see what happens.

bosco

The pen is mightier than the sword, and my pen will be aimed at power hungry politicians in the next elections.

Hayduke2

So, you will be voting against the " I have total authority" president. Glad to see you come to your senses.

threecents

Bosco and HD2[thumbup][thumbup]

Jleftwich

"That is why we cherish the 2nd Amendment."

Well-regulated.

Greg F

"Well-regulated." That is a blatant fabrication.

gabrielshorn2013

Here you go jleftwich, maybe these will help.

https://www.constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm

https://reason.com/2019/11/03/what-is-a-well-regulated-militia-anyway/

Hayduke2

But there are dozens of varying interpretations, including those who have a valid argument in opposition to your references.

Jleftwich

Gabe: yep, I twisted the meaning of "well regulated". [innocent] There are limits (regulations) to guns. Even D.C. vs Heller acknowledges this: laws on carrying, laws preventing felons from owning a gun, and rules prohibiting carrying a gun on school grounds.

2A provides gun ownership for the purpose of self-defense. Heller states this. A person has the right to own a gun to protect himself or herself, family, and property. That's about it.

Now, where does self-defense end and rebellion begin? Is it self-defense if the gov't imposes restrictions on movement just for the heck of it vs. in the time of a state emergency? That's the reason for my "well-regulated" retort to jsk who suggested that 2A also exists to threaten government just because a measure that was passed is annoying.

prg45fan

jleft, "Now, where does self-defense end and rebellion begin?" Ask yourself, When does govt. overreach become tyranny?

gabrielshorn2013

No hay. Just because the definition of a term evolves over time, does not mean the intent of term evolves with it. The framers specifically did not want firearm possession by citizens controlled by the government after the Revolution because of what the King tried to do with the colonists forearms before the Revolution.

gabrielshorn2013

Thoroughly understood and agreed jleftwich. Armed rebellion is definitely not covered by the 2A, unless the government strikes first, then it is self defense. Will that ever happen? Probably not, especially after the Posse Comitatus Act, that prevents the US military from military action on US soil against civilians. If that happens, then the government is committing an unlawful act, and may be opposed using force. How successful would that ever be? It depends on how many in the military are willing to violate the UCMJ, and carry out an illegal order. If many are, then the resisters are toast. If not many are, then the odds are a little more even. Could the resistance be successful? Dunno. We're still fighting a rag-tag bunch called the Taliban, and we have the best military in the world.

Hayduke2

Sorry Gabe- you are sure of your position, I am not and don’t have to agree nor do the other scholars and judges who interpret it differently.

Hayduke2

Your last statement makes no sense.

phydeaux994

Donald John Trump is the Government jsk, haven’t you noticed?? Since the Republican Senate declared him so, by default. He now has the same powers as his Communist buddies, Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un, and Xi, including causing the unnecessary deaths of his Country’s people, young and old. He can “DO ANYTHING I WANT TO DO”. Explain to me why you disagree with me jsk, tell me the difference.

jagman

Fido, Trump is NOT "the government". He is our president, duly elected by we the people. He will stand for election again this November. I'm sure you will vote for whichever communist replaces Biden on the dem ticket As is your right under the laws of the USA. The majority will vote for him to stay 4 more years.

And spare us the tired old "Russia" garbage. It's nothing but bunk. Always was. It shows a disturbing level of gullibility on your part that you still believe it.

gary4books

I still believe it. The sources are too good to ignore. It is classic spy operation.

jagman

The only "source" was the Steele dossier. it is complete fiction. Paid for by the Clinton campaign.

Do you also believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus?

gary4books

Steel is a second hand distraction. Good enough for the price, but hardly verified intelligence. The real sources are verified and comprehensive.

jagman

There are no "verified and comprehensive" sources. The whole Russia hoax was justified by the Steele Dossier. Since it is obvious that was fake you now want to minimize it.

Note that all your favorite talking heads spent 3 years lying thru their teeth when in front of a TV camera and then told the truth (the exact opposite) when under oath in the secret star chamber schiff nonsense. Schiff himself lied every day and is still lying.

Face it Gary. You were lied to repeatedly. By your own side. Everyone knows it.

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