House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says President Donald Trump has killed people by the way he has conducted himself during the coronavirus crisis, and, look, I am not going to say in reply that she has killed anybody.

But I will say this. She has consistently helped thwart the American good over the past several years, and she is doing it right now, not just by her divisiveness, but by having held up a $2 trillion rescue bill and trying to make parts of it obstacles to success.

It was in a CNN interview that she said Trump’s “denial (of the virus threat) at the beginning was deadly,” that he has more recently cost lives by making things seem better than they are and by fiddling around.

Clearly, Trump was too casual early on, but understand that states and the Centers for Disease Control can act without his authority and that the bumbling of the administrative state has more than a little to answer for. Congress was laggard, too. When Sen. Lamar Alexander held an early Senate session on the virus, attention was lacking because of a constitutionally suspect, politically driven impeachment quest.

Trump finally got serious. He managed in an excellent if widely berated speech to set things right. Yes, he did make factual errors that were promptly corrected, but he put Vice President Mike Pence in charge of a special panel, and here is a three-c kind of guy, calm, cool and collected. Trump also selected Drs. Anthony Fauci and Deborah Birx to sit at the top of the panel, two brilliant, articulate, self-possessed experts.

Through daily televised press conferences plus other appearances, they have helped explain what is going on, the dangers involved and what the most reliable estimates of the moment tell us the future might hold. Trump is there, too, and his approval numbers have gone up as the sessions get high ratings.

The announcements and explanations are serving a highly needed purpose, but Trump himself keeps getting things wrong. That’s not good, but ending TV coverage, as some want, wouldn’t be, either. Also, understand that his hoping to end social distancing guidelines by Easter was not voiced as some kind of absolute that, by the way, states would be free to ignore. Still, less of Trump’s wagging tongue could end hurricane reactions.

The last thing Trump has been is the main thing the left insists he is: authoritarian. At the urging of some of the same leftists and others, he did assume war powers to get General Motors to make more ventilators. But if you want a real authoritarian, look at Mayor Bill de Blasio of New York City telling synagogues that, if they keep having services, he will shut them down not just for a while, but permanently.

Given all kinds of entanglements, including regulations imposed by predecessors, Trump has helped edge us ever closer to what is needed. I do think it was a mistake to end the auto emissions rules, but remember this high point: Trump helped win Democratic cooperation on a $2 trillion bill to help those whose health and pocketbooks have been most afflicted.

Well, not cooperation from Pelosi. This lady, who majors in delays and ripping things apart, held the bill up for days as people were suffering and the economy was worsening. She longed for irrelevancies, such as mandating labor union representation on corporate boards and addressing climate change in ways interfering with fixing things now.

Some horrible virus predictions are out there right now even as our health workers are some of the most incredible heroes America has ever seen. I don’t think Pelosi will ever be a hero, but she might want to focus on defeating coronavirus instead of using it to satisfy her long-term policy druthers and defeating Trump.

Jay Ambrose is an op-ed columnist for Tribune News Service. Readers may email him at speaktojay@aol.com.

Copyright 2020 Tribune Content Agency.

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Moon otter

Go Nancy Go. Bye bye T rump. Corona virus is a type of virus, but referred as SARS type. Many different strains as they mutate from human to human and to other species.

awteam2000

Can anyone tell me what was relevant in Trump’s press briefing this evening? He was terribly sensitive. The Coronavirus only existed under his administration . How could other and ministrations have test for a virus that didn’t exist? That’s plain stupid. Then he said, all are out to get him. Even questioning appointments that came under his administration. This is not about Trump. What’s the national plan to defeat the virus?

KellyAlzan

Corona virus has always existed.

It’s the Co-Vid 19 strain that is what we’re dealing with.

But I get your point and agree with your point.

rikkitikkitavvi

By the numbers: A massive nationwide response

When the world has faced trying times, Americans have never failed to rise to the occasion. The Coronavirus pandemic is and will be no exception.

🇺🇸 Sparing no expense to win this fight

“We have the best doctors, the best military leaders, and the best logistics professionals anywhere in the world,” President Trump said yesterday. “And we’re orchestrating a massive federal response unlike anything our country has ever seen or done.”

Here’s what just part of that response looks like, by the numbers:

By tomorrow, the Federal Government will have deployed over 3,000 military and public health professionals to New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, and other parts of our country most affected by Coronavirus.

In the last 7 days, FEMA has airlifted crucial supplies and protective equipment from every corner of the Earth. Since last Sunday, cargo planes have delivered nearly 300 million gloves, almost 8 million masks, and 3 million gowns.

The government is delivering an additional 600,000 N95 masks to New York City to support its public hospital system, as requested by Mayor Bill de Blasio. Another 200,000 will be delivered to Suffolk County on Long Island.

Over the last 48 hours, FEMA has delivered an additional 500 ventilators to New Jersey. In addition, Louisiana has received 200, Michigan has received 300, and Illinois has gotten or will get 600 to address potential hotspots.

As of yesterday, the United States has tested and given results to 1.67 million people—far more than any other country on Earth.

In addition to these public health actions, President Trump has worked with Congress to prioritize the economic needs of American workers and small businesses. The $2+ trillion CARES Act signed into law on March 27 provides qualifying families with $2,400 in tax-free payments, along with an additional $500 for each child.

The Paycheck Protection Program, which launched Friday, approved more than 17,500 loans valued at over $5.4 billion on its first day. These loans, intended to keep more Americans employed, are 100% forgivable if used for qualifying expenses and if all employees are kept on payroll.

America is thankful to every family making sacrifices for the good of our country during this time—and especially to the healthcare workers fighting this virus and saving lives each and every day.

“In the days ahead, America will endure the peak of this terrible pandemic,” President Trump said. “Our warriors in this life-and-death battle are the incredible doctors and nurses and healthcare workers on the frontline of the fight. We pledge to them our eternal gratitude and everlasting support.”

🎬 We may be apart for Holy Week, but now is the time for the power of prayer

awteam2000

Trump just said we moved early. He cut off show me air flights on February 27 after most national airlines had already shut down flights, downplaying his lack of response when everyone was telling him to take action. Even on this thread. We now exceed 10,000 deaths in America, with a population 1/4th of China. Wuhan, China where the virus originated has a population larger then N.Y., NY but in five weeks we have exceeded 3 times plus the number of death of all of China. And the death toll hasn’t reached it peak. By the end of the week we will exceed all countries in deaths from the virus 🦠. Trump takes no responsibility. Oh yeah, It’s Obamas fault, Pelosi was nasty and Trump still has no plan to address the crisis. Only, “It’s their fault”. Not quite leadership of the greatest nation in the world. ‘They’re bad’ is not leadership. Opps, Pence is now pronouncing trumps great leadership, that’s gotten us here.

gabrielshorn2013

aw, was Mayor Bill DeBlasio not captured on video stating that New Yorkers should keep to their normal routines two weeks before COVID-19 blew up there? New Yorkers get into and around town via mass transit (train, subway, buses, and taxi) packed in like sardines. The perfect conduit for mass infection. So the mass infection in NYC due to the Mayors statements is Trump's fault? The Chinese government shut down Wuhan (but not before hundreds of thousands left for all parts of the world). Trump wanted to quarantine NY, NJ, and CT, but Gov. Cuomo pitched a fit. Turns out the Federal authorities do not have that authority anyway. That authority resides with the states. Other states tried to protect themselves against New Yorkers by denying entry, but Gov. Cuomo got angry again, and threatened to sue any state that denied New Yorkers entry. You keep using the lockdown of Wuhan as an example, but it was not effective, and such actions are unconstitutional. What should the president have done to stop the mass infection in NYC?

gabrielshorn2013

I found it.

Leadership is never more apparent than when it is missing. De Blasio was slow to recognize the danger, telling New Yorkers to keep to their ordinary routines—as he did his—even after the World Health Organization had declared the coronavirus outbreak a pandemic.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/how-bill-de-blasio-failed-new-york-city/609379/

The threat of the coronavirus was looming over New York City, but Mayor Bill de Blasio was not especially worried. “I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus,” he tweeted on March 2. There was an Italian film playing at Lincoln Center. He urged people to see it.

https://news.yahoo.com/the-mistakes-that-turned-new-york-into-an-epicenter-of-the-coronavirus-epidemic-090040375.html

The de Blasio administration is prepared for the likelihood of the novel coronavirus in New York City,” Dr. Raul Perea-Henze, the city’s deputy mayor for health and human services, said on January 24. “We urge all New Yorkers to continue to pursue their everyday activities and routines, but to remain aware of the facts about coronavirus. Those with a travel history should see a doctor at the first sign of any flu-like symptoms.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/the-timeline-of-how-bill-de-blasio-prepared-new-york-city-for-the-coronavirus/

rikkitikkitavvi

Like the dems take ANY "personal" responsibility for anything. Are you the pot or the kettle aw?

Ystj

China has had way more deaths, they lie...turn off MSDNC. Stop playing politics and let’s all work together. Your blind hate for one man shines through. Get over it. He’s president.

olefool

Just heard a health care professional say "Trump is stifling the press and muzzling the healthcare providers, what in the world is he up to"????

Obadiah Plainsmen

Heard that also, Trump has personally contacted every single healthcare professional and media outlet in America and worldwide and told them to hush up. It’s crimes against humanity!!!

rikkitikkitavvi

"Heard it from a friend whooo, heard it from a friend whooo, heard it from another you been messin' around"

Obadiah Plainsmen

“And talk is cheap when the story is good

And the tales grow taller on down the line”

threecents

Rikki and OP[thumbup]

rikkitikkitavvi

Are you sure this person is a reliable source? You do have first hand witnesses to that conversation right? Was this by electronic sources or person to person transmission? Were you six feet apart when/if this conversation took place? Was this person and/or you wearing a mask? Are you sure you really heard what you think you heard? I'd like a transcript of this alleged conversation please and thanks.

gary4books

You are part of the joke, right?

rikkitikkitavvi

Funny, I thought you were.

DickD

Don't pay any attention to Rik's insults, Gary! He can't help himself, he belongs to Trump's cult.

rikkitikkitavvi

[ohmy] A cult? Whatever shall we do?

C.D.Reid

Pay no mind to Dick, rik, he belongs to the anti-Trump cult. You know, the orange man bad, bad orange man cult.

awteam2000

Trump is very intimidated by Nancy Pelosi... to the point where he can’t even come up with a nickname for her, as a demeaning slur that he uses with everyone else. He tried briefly in June, 2019 “nervous Nancy,” but quickly abandoned it. The bully’s baseless slur backfired, quite the opposite happened. Trump came off as the nervous one, insecure and yes, the lesser of the two 😟. Mike Pence, as well as, others constantly try to reassure his fragile ego by showering praise on his leadership🙄. Now his followers are crying that the “mean women” is bullying the ’misunderstood overgrown child’.

It’s not fair “to pick on, criticize, making little” of his inherent ineptness. She frightens him 🧟‍♀️. His follower, infuriated and frustrated spouting “you just hate Trump”. And threaten he will be reelected. Really? It’s almost like “ we’ll fix you”.

Watch, he’ll have a “nickname“ for Dr. Tony Fauci before it’s all over.

awteam2000

P.S. - Armillary, I enjoy your limericks humorous and sums thing up. 👍

public-redux

“Faulty Fauci”

Obadiah Plainsmen

After this they will place a large statue of him at the entrance to NIH holding a staff with a snake coiled around it

FAUCI the INFECTIOUS with his ROD of ASCLEPIUS

gabrielshorn2013

The bobblehead is also available

public-redux

“FAUCI the INFECTIOUS with his ROD of ASCLEPIUS”

Too many “hard” words for Donald JOHN Trump to use as a nickname. But you’re on the right track with the locker room language.

public-redux

gab, I’m holding out for the Fauci garden gnome.

Obadiah Plainsmen

Which word is hard, the, with, his or of ?

public-redux

“ Which word is hard, the, with, his or of ?”

I can see Trump having trouble with any of them.

rikkitikkitavvi

Cute aw. 24/7 bashing and lying is not disagreement. It is not difference of opinion. It is personal hatred for the man that won an election over the "Chosen One" of the Establishment. Her followers are infuriated. Her followers threaten Trumps followers EVERY day. Her followers are intolerant of ANYONE that disagrees with their point of view. Her followers own 95% of the mainstream media. His being reelected is not a "we'll fix you" moment. It IS more of a reckoning. As far as pitiful Pelosi goes, she's just another sore loser in the scheme of things. MAGA 2020!

DickD

There you go with that hatred comment! Nancy gives Trump prayers, Trump hold hat rallies and you call anyone supporting her a hater. MAGA? It was always great and much better before Trump. This fall, ask yourself, are you better off now than four years ago. [crying]

rikkitikkitavvi

Business man vs. career politician? Hmmmmmmm Not really a difficult decision unless you just Hate Trump.[wink]

DickD

You give a lot of hate and accuse everyone else. A member of the Donald Trump cult

C.D.Reid

Dick, you really should read what you write sometime. If anyone gives a lot of hate, it most certainly is YOU and your anti-Trump cult. Your hatred blinds you like nothing else ever could.

Ystj

Yawn...no valid arguments from you. I bet you watch Lemon and Seltzer with a martini and tweet negatively about capitalism from your iPhone

HappySeller2014

Sign of the times:

Just called nursery to get a truckload of mulch delivered three miles away to my house. Owner said NO GO. Only bags for pickup available.

Why?

Owner let all employees go last week. Now, no one will come back to work because they all making more on unemployment than they were making when working. So, his employees just gonna sit at home next 90 days and collect unemployment checks.

Thanks Senate Republicans. And Trump. Don't any of you Trump loyalists understand how Trump is messing with you? And all of us in the USA? Your hard earned tax dollars going to folks eating Doritos on a couch through the end of June. Yet you still support him? What is he doing to help you?

rikkitikkitavvi

"What is he doing to help you?" That is the wrong question. It should be "what am I doing to help myself?" Which is none of your business. Why should he be helping me personally? Why should he help any individual? Help for individuals should start with SELF. Then community. That sounds pretty socialistic to me. Cradle to grave government help? That's it isn't it happy? You are a Berniebro. It makes sense now.[lol][lol][lol]

awteam2000

Is a $2.2 stimulus package, a half trillion bailout to corporations (fortunately now with oversight - Pelosi, didn't allow Trump to divvy it out as he pleased with no oversight) corporations had already benefited from extreme tax cuts going to their coffers. Even Trump admonish corporations for stock buybacks rather than raising wages, development of new products or any adding more employees. Isn’t that socialism, socialism for the rich. Explain how that’s not corporate socialism? And, guess what, there’s another package on the way. Oh yeah it’s “all about the trickle down”.

HappySeller2014

Rikki, the turnip truck fell over. They want you back. You posts here on this thread make no sense. They all just rambling.

Are you really questioning whether the President should help any individual? What did you learn in High School civics class?

I am not gonna worry about what you are doing for yourself. Trust me, who cares? Not me, as much as you want me to care and make it my business. Darwin is waving to you.

I am actually a disgusted Republican. We both on the same side of the fence buddy. You just part of a tribe.

rikkitikkitavvi

Not a turnip fan you can have my plot. That's your opinion and I thank you for participating. Here is your booby prize[happybirthday].

It wasn't a question. It was a statement. Like I can remember that far back. Common sense community affairs come to mind. I was under the impression that the community/neighborhood takes care of itself through it's tax base with as little Federal help as possible. Self-serving by its own right.

Jimmy crack corn and...

I was a Dem from 79 to 15. I like the present President. You don't. Too bad. You don't have a very large platform on this board to rant. You should try projecting to a larger audience. With that being said I'm more than happy to be part of what you are wasting your precious time on. Have a "Making liberals and socialists Cry Daily" evening.

DickD

Trump cult tribe.

phydeaux994

rikkitikkitavvi, what was that sad story you told about you and your wife being fired from your business cleaning job because your boss found a dead fly on a windowsill and you had to get help from a Church group to buy your meds and your wife was eighty years old but didn’t get SS and you were dirt poor etc. Was that a joke???

xJacky1

You are as dumb as your post.

HappySeller2014

i agree. He/she sounds like the loony bin.

rikkitikkitavvi

You mean Ben? Since a loony "bin" can't talk.

hayduke2

No need to insult Rikki..

public-redux

“ no one will come back to work because they all making more on unemployment than they were making when working.”

Citation needed.

morel hunter

I don't believe this. When the unemployment finds out that the person collecting has denied work, then said persons unemployment will be denied. No if and or buts. So, I don't believe this. Either the commentor is lying or the nursery owner is lying and needs to get rid of bags of mulch.

Obadiah Plainsmen

Pelosi has been in the HOR for 33 yrs. I guess the votes of CA 12 district really like her. Of the top 100 senior members ( 15 years of service) 65 are D’s and 35 are R’s . Do we need term limits?

hayduke2

Yes we do. On that we can agree.

DickD

You don't believe in allowing voters to choose? I do!

rikkitikkitavvi

Here dick. Have at it.

https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution

gary4books

We have term limits. Some call them elections. Term limits other than elections are for the minority groups that want their way despite the will of the voters or mandered districts. Fix the districts and all is at ease.

rikkitikkitavvi

"Fix the districts". Please elaborate on that statement. gary.

gary4books

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering#Redistricting_by_neutral_or_cross-party_agency "The most commonly advocated electoral reform proposal targeted at gerrymandering is to change the redistricting process. Under these proposals, an independent and presumably objective commission is created specifically for redistricting, rather than having the legislature do it."

thump1202

I heard a lawyer discussing the recent supreme court case where they decided not to rule on districts. I'm not sure if this was part of the case or not, but he quoted some old casework where it was decided that districts are political by nature and there is no definite criteria they're willing to stand by in defining how they are drawn. It's lacking in courage that they aren't willing to tackle that due to the possibility of any criteria being bias, any kind of defined criteria is less bias than the free for all we have now.

awteam2000

Don’t knock experience. I just got a call to come back and work on helping to get a legacy system back up and running. Sometimes an ‘old dog’ can teach, mentor and guide ‘new dogs’. When we get through this pandemic, we will need everybody’s expertise to get the economy rolling again. But, no or little expertise will be in lower demand.

hayduke2

25 years as a public sevice was not the intent of the founders. Experience is great but but money and outside influence is now the norm. Mandatory breaks from public service would not be harmful and , in fact, could be beneficial.

gary4books

Learning how to serve in a legislature and gaining the knowledge to support decisions takes time and work. All new representatives will be fresh grazing for the lobbyist and with no clear future of service will be open to get it while they can. Not a good combination in my opinion.

Obadiah Plainsmen

To find the justification for term limits one just has goggle Pelosi net worth in 1987 when she entered Congress and net worth now.

awteam2000

25 years was a life time of adulthood back in the day. Most of the founders died in office. No, They weren’t willing to give up power. George Washington tried to set an example, by not running for a third term. Proceeding Presidents followed his lead up to FDR. Congress was not as willing to follow the lead. Unfortunately the outside influence was there then, throughout the American history and now coming from the ‘new guy on the block’ with no experience and no expertise. Why do you think Mitch McConnell puts up with Trump’s buffoonery? And “My god”, what does Jared Kushner, Trump’s daughter’s husband know about infectious diseases, infrastructure, governing and directing the national reaction to the Coronavirus. Let a lone, who do the government resources and reserve belong to? How is ours?

No one should govern forever but I don’t like the idea of incompetency coming in and changing everything. That’s crazy.

hayduke2

Aw - You don't like the idea of incompetency coming in - happens all the time now so what would a maximum 12 year term in Congress do? Nothing.

xJacky1

Unless you are an old dog like Biden. He can’t remember any of the tricks he learned.

rikkitikkitavvi

No aw, what's crazy is a small majority still believing the democrat party is fighting for them when reality is showing them exactly the opposite. It's called denial. Some of you are even in the anger phase. Are there not two more phases of whatever this is technically called? I expect to see a lot more of this dysfunction in the next few months. I KNOW It's TDS[lol][lol][lol][lol][lol][lol][lol] Making liberals Cry again in 2020!

rikkitikkitavvi

Biden is one of the "swamp" fossils.

LeBlancp01

The FNP needs to improve the timing of messaging. The fact the $2.2T government program passed by all a while ago. Thank to all for included Many real people, Small Businesses and not just the large ones.

threecents

Those who blame their votes for Trump on Nancy, Hillary, Joe, or the swamp, or the deep state, are deflecting from the fact that they are responsible for Trump being our leader. Some are particularly shrill about it because deep down they know it is true, but they have not yet faced that reality.

gary4books

Or they want a woman to blame. Quick! Find a woman in Government. Blame her. As Adam said "The woman made me do it."

DickD

Adam was not nice to Eve, Gary.

rikkitikkitavvi

Eve gave "it" up after she forced the apple down his throat.

Piedmontgardener

It's embarrassing the level of spin in Trump's camp at present. But as usual, it's time to trot out the familiar villains. However, this re-run is stale, the constant need to deflect and denigrate has wearied the country and the people will fire him in the fall as his razor thin path to the White House in 2016 will be impossible to duplicate. I'm certainly not wild about the alternative, but there is no way that the US can afford to have him in a position of leadership any longer than the next 8 months.

rikkitikkitavvi

What's embarrassing Pee is that your clan trots out the "hero" team. The "anti-Trump brigade". with the likes of Pitiful Pelosi, cryin' chuck, nadless Nadler, pencilneck Schiff, mad Maxine along with a host of others against ONE man. A man that has only been in politics for what, 39 months? What is the combined tenure for team anti-Trump? The dem party is done. The funeral is on November 4th. MAGA 2020!

Piedmontgardener

I voted for Hogan. Twice. Save your ad hominem laced venom for the mirror, Rikki.

rikkitikkitavvi

Hogan?? hahahaha. RINO if I ever saw one. Or what Pee? You gonna cancel my vote out? I'd rather speak up and out against folks like you. Hominy? I like "Manning's". Ad some butter and pepper. Good stuff.

hayduke2

See, it didn't take the insecure rikki to resort to name calling, delusions and bullying! That is a tried and true MO. Next, he will somehow relate this to Obama or HRC. Pitiful.

xJacky1

Oh my, the great one has spoken. Speak out about both sides, then maybe what you think will be taken more seriously than the stuff mixed in with my cat’s litter box. Pompous.

hayduke2

Reality and the truth is hard for you to take, isn't it.

rikkitikkitavvi

You should get your trigger alert app loosened up a bit hay. Look online and you can find all the relativity you want between what you suggested.

rikkitikkitavvi

About as hard as it is for you duke. But with your trigger so spun up in hate for Trump well....

gary4books

Rikk - we will see. Did you set your alarm for November and plan to sleep until then. If so, dream on.

DickD

We will all meet at the River, Ric, please don't enter and drown.

xJacky1

Offer some thoughts as to why? Your opinion without any specifics as to why is just your opinion, in other words meaningless.

DickD

Even 8 months are too long! Republican Senators should have upheld their oath to God. Now God is getting revenge!

KellyAlzan

Notice to FNP Commenters:

I regret to announce that the scheduled FNP Commenter monthly meeting for weds 4/8 has been cancelled due to Co-vid 19. We will announce as soon as we know when the next meeting is planned.

Thank you and be safe.

Kelly Q Alzan

Lead Commenter

hayduke2

Why cancel a meeting with yourself?

rikkitikkitavvi

hahahahahahah @hay

threecents

I must have lost my invitation, so no problem about the cancellation . Also, are yard signs available for your sheriff campaign?

KellyAlzan

No yard signs, it’s 2020! It’s all

About social media today!

threecents

Do you need someone to set up PACs? How about the baseball caps and t-shirts? Do you have a slogan yet? Logo?

DickD

I'll check with Karl, three.

gary4books

Pb. is a good abbreviation for LEAD - a heavy meal.

DickD

Gosh, Kelly, I was looking forward to that meeting.

KellyAlzan

I know me too. Always a great time!

thump1202

I'm more concerned about the media response, since that is what people hear beyond elected officials and "experts." The first I heard of this was early January when independent outlets began reporting on a strange illness being whistleblown from doctors in China, many of whom were killed allegedly by the virus afterwards. The next action was Trump barring travel from China and the cries of xenophobe racist that came out. Next was it's just the flu relax after Tom Cotton spoke to how serious it was. Then the left started firing up hysteria and the right said it's just a flu relax. Next thing we know you have Pelosi telling people to visit Chinatown and De Blasio on March 8 telling New Yorkers it's not a big deal, two weeks later they're the epicenter of the virus in the US with over 10x the cases of any other state. This has been handled terribly and shows how unprepared we were at federal and state levels. Thankfully Hogan took it seriously and it's relatively minor in Frederick County according to statistics. Unfortunately, many of our so called leaders are just grifters out to take advantage of the system and give the same tired sound bytes every couple years during elections. We owe it to ourselves to vote these types out. I'm hopeful the DNC gives me someone to vote for, Biden doesn't cut it and Bernie certainly doesn't, sadly they won't give the opportunity to someone like Tulsi who is a combat medic and tends to be no BS.

awteam2000

Thump, Trump is “one and done”.

thump1202

I strongly doubt that the way the polling is looking and even guys like Rogan are saying they might vote for him.

DickD

Correction, aw; "one and overdone”.

Jeepers11md

Best president ever Trump 2020 another 4 years

threecents

Jeepers creepers

rikkitikkitavvi

@thump1202 1M hand claps. Except "I'm hopeful the DNC gives me someone to vote for," I will be voting for Trump. He didn't need the job. He could have just lived the life of luxury for the rest of his days. I for one am glad he didn't. He exposed "The Swamp" for lack of a better word. United WE Stand. Divided WE Fall. I'm ready to see how this shakes out.

threecents

We are united as Americans. We just have different opinions - which is part of being American.

thump1202

^^^ Totally agree! The response from the few essential employees I've dealt with over the past few weeks have been exceptional, really shows how strong Americans are when times are tough.

hayduke2

Exposed the "swamp." Man, get real. He overstocked the so-called "swamp" with new critters and rewarded those already there.

thump1202

I'd like to have a viable choice, especially given that we're going to be dealing with the outfall of this virus and its economic impacts for the next few years at least and I haven't heard any meaningful ideas from the other side, just orange man bad. As it stands Biden is not strong enough to deal with this and his VP list isn't looking any better. Trump says he's letting Pence run the virus response and though it's said he botched a prior virus in his state at least he's got some experience.

DickD

You might as well stay home, Rick. As long as we have the EC your vote is meaningless.

bosco

Good summary thump. Morning Joe is now claiming that "we" all knew about how serious the virus was back in Janaury. Funny thing is I can't find any clips of Morning Joe warning anybody about the virus.

gary4books

I bought my big box of TP in early January. I suspected it was on the way.

threecents

Home Depot, Amazon, and Walmart were already out of masks in early January.

wran

So, we see on Feb 24 little Nancy traipsing around China Town in San Francisco and eating at crowded table and saying: I'm here, we feel safe and sound with so many coming here. I'm here not only to say this place is safe, but to thank you for being China Town We think it is very safe to be here and hopefully others will come. This was at a time when many people were getting leery about eating in public places.

Of course, few remember her early stance on the virus. She is a hero.

HappySeller2014

This virus was not a problem in San Francisco way back on February 24th. That was seven weeks ago Wran. Again, trying to shift blame not going to convince us smart folks who can see through tbe smoke.

rikkitikkitavvi

Spin it happy! Spin it!

awteam2000

“Spin?” What does Nancy have to do with Trump failure to take crisis seriously and respond competently?

Trump consistently minimized the risk the coronavirus posed to the country. He claimed to have the virus under "control," that the number of US cases would go "down, not up. In February, when the federal government had confirmed just 15 cases of the virus, Trump predicted the number would soon be near "zero." Now he says 100 thousand might die and that will be a great success. 🤦‍♂️ Did Nancy put those words in the ”stable genius” mouth? Oh, yeah Trump said something about ”hoax”... What was that?

tonyc51

The virus has been a national problem since early February, if you don't believe me ask revisionist Pelosi now about the actions of Trump in that period.

bosco

"The virus has been a national problem since early February, if you don't believe me ask revisionist Pelosi now about the actions of Trump in that period."....and then Nancy accuses Trump of having blood on his hands.

Obadiah Plainsmen

For all you smart people who can look through smoke. "way back on February 24th" ? COVID19 has an incubation period of 2-14 days. For those who became exposed on 02/24/2020 would be as late as 03/09/2020 to show symptoms. Below is an link to the sfchronicle dated 03/10/20 about two people who were diagnosed with COVID19 2 weeks after a attending a conference in SF 02/24/2020.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Coronavirus-Two-attendees-of-RSA-Conference-in-15120999.php

Jeepers11md

Nancy be best to pack up and leave the USA we all be better off

wran

So, we see on TV news on Feb 24 little Nancy Pelosi traisping

HappySeller2014

Again, February 24th was seven weeks ago. You can hammer us with a third post Wren but it not gonna help your argument here.

rikkitikkitavvi

Again, at the risk of repeating myself, Spin it happy! Spin it! You have no argument. The truth is out there and it hurts you and your cult. The American people see it and will put the Dem party six feet under on November 3rd.

gary4books

Saying this once or twice, perhaps three times, is a prediction. More than that look like a panic.

hayduke2

Deflect and try to pass the buck much Wran. You have no valid argument. BTW, I think that was one of the dates of a Trump golf outing and rally - no concern about that behavior?

Alice Jones

just like first lady jeri k

Obadiah Plainsmen

Lets see what the polls say." Rasmussen Reports is the only nationally recognized public opinion firm that still tracks President Trump's job approval ratings on a daily basis".

Trump has lost 11 pts in handling of COVID19, but still remains neck to neck with Obama at this time in their tenure. 44%-46%. However polls are useless until they favor your candidate.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_apr06

HappySeller2014

I agree it was nice to see Trump select Birx and Fauci to be beside him.

BUT we get no where in these press conferences when Trump talks 90% of the time and keeps on intercepting or shutting down questions to these experts.

SMART people speak truth to power and question it. Sheep are just led to the slaughterhouse. Darwinism in full effect with Trump supporters now.

rikkitikkitavvi

BUT orange man bad.

HappySeller2014

As soon as I got to "Trump finally got serious..." I knew this letter had gone off the rails. It actually had near the very start, but as soon as I read that, the nails were in the coffin. Good luck shifting blame yet again for the Hell we are currently enduring as a country. Just keep on sending us Kushner, firing NAVY aircraft carrier captains in the middle of a crisis, firing IGs, and telling us everything is under control and the national stockpile of medical supplies is for US (the federal government) and not US (the people).

The federal government is responsible to each and every one of us. I am amazed daily at the amount of Trump sheep being led over cliffs everywhere.

hayduke2

Good points Happy...

rikkitikkitavvi

Demoncrats been of the rails since what's her face lost and have NEVER got back on track. The Chinese flu will show Americans the wisdom of Trump's policies: The need for strong borders. The terrible threat of communist china. The dangers of Globalism and The weakness of our supply chains. You are watching President Trump's, AND many Americans entire world view being validated.

xJacky1

Excellent point!

hayduke2

Trump - President Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping pledged in a phone call early Friday to cooperate in the battle against the coronavirus, a sign of easing tensions between the two nations.

“Just finished a very good conversation with President Xi of China,” Mr. Trump tweeted. “Discussed in great detail the CoronaVirus that is ravaging large parts of our Planet. China has been through much & has developed a strong understanding of the Virus. We are working closely together. Much respect!”

fisherkid89

Normally I would say trump has no shot at winning a reelection but look who the Democrats selected. They will win this election for trump.

Jeepers11md

Trump is going to win in 2020 wonder what Nancy and her democrats will cry about this time

sevenstones1000

The Trump support team are clearly struggling to come up with any bright spot in this deadly dumpster fire calling itself the Republican Administration.

One hint - people are actually living this, we can actually see what’s going on. We know what Trump did and didn’t do. There still aren’t enough tests, ventilators or face masks.

rikkitikkitavvi

@7 [yawn]

gary4books

We all have our opinions and there is no good reason to dispute them. However here are facts and in this case Jay is flat out wrong. It is not left and right. Both sides have positions and they defend them. Mr. Trump did deny. He still does. His government was not ready. He did fire people that could have saved us early on.

tonyc51

"We all have our opinions and there is no good reason to dispute them." Why should we accept your "facts" as any more factual, then the other sides "facts"? Are they "facts" because you believe them so?

sevenstones1000

They are facts because they actually happened.

Dwasserba

[thumbup]seven

tonyc51

Your opinion as to the "facts". Did they happen or were they made to appear as happened.

threecents

Seven, You are so 2012. In the Trump post-truth era there are alternative facts, as senior counselor Kellyanne Conway annointed them. They are part of the production leveraged reality TV narrative that supersedes facts, whatever those are.

olefool

When I speak, I speak facts, and if you're getting mad, it's because you know it's the truth.

awteam2000

Fact: Trump has proven over, over and over again not to be a reliable source of information on the Coronavirus or anything else. Simply incompetent. See for yourself -

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/timeline-president-donald-trump-changing-statements-on-coronavirus/

tonyc51

CBS opinion and "facts". Nothing more, opinion journalism, both sides are guilty.

HappySeller2014

Tony, again these are facts. So, now CBS wrong like everyone says CNN is? What about ABC? NBC? I guess they OK until they report factually things Trump supporters dislike?

rikkitikkitavvi

Trump-Shut the border.

Media-you're racist

Trump-shut the border.

Media-you didn't do it fast enough.

Media-Chinese Wuhan virus.

Trump-Chinese virus.

media-you're racist

media-we need a leader who gives us hope.

Trump-have hope.

media-you are giving us false hope.

On another note: china gave us poisoned dog food, toxic candy &toothpaste. Radioactive drywall, counterfeit electronics equipment components. Fentanyl. Carcinogenic fish, corona and we still do business with them by buying their CRAP. Why?

threecents

Facts are biased against Trump, so alternative facts are more patriotic.

HappySeller2014

Tony, those things happened. Are you blind to the facts? What are you missing that I can easily see, and others? Alternative facts get you a date with going over a cliff. Can you see the precipice in front you? Darwin is waving!

rikkitikkitavvi

MAGA 2020 and beyond happy. You should rubberize your safe space in advance

HappySeller2014

Rikki, you cannot even get your slogans straight.

It is now Keep America Great 2020. MAGA is so 2016, as he assumes he made America great these last three years.

If you gonna join the tribe, at least get your slogans straight.

hayduke2

Do you dispute this "fact" too Tony? https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/experts-officials-pandemic-2018/

gabrielshorn2013

Yes they were warned in 2018 hay, as well as 2017, 2016, 2015, 2014, 2013, 2012, 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007...all the way back to GHW Bush. The Executive Branch, the Senate, and the House of Representatives were all warned about the coming pandemic, but nobody took action. Nor did the individual States, who has primary responsibility for the health of their citizens, and natural disaster responses.

hayduke2

Gabe - correct me if I am incorrect but didn’t the last administration create a pandemic “czar” to address and coordinate responses?

gabrielshorn2013

No, he reinvigorated the Pandemic Response Team for that. He had a czar for Ebola.

awteam2000

Gabe, you see no 🐵🙈🙉. Yes there were warnings of potential looming pandemics for at least 15 years. That’s why a reserve was created. Now Trump is the person in the “kitchen”. Under Trump’s direction for the last 3 1/2 years he terminated the “ the pandemic defense unit in the CDC. Cut PPE funding from the national reserve budget and didn’t get his butt in gear until two weeks ago, two months too late, instead down playing the crisis. Now he claims he carries no national responsibility, stating it’s not his fault but each state’s responsibility to address the pandemic.

It would be more fitting to rename the Country ‘The Independent States of America’ rather than ‘The United States of America’.

hayduke2

Gabe, funny but I interpret the following differently --- "President Barack Obama created the pandemic preparedness office at the National Security Council in 2016, after his administration was criticized for its initial response to the Ebola epidemic in 2014 and 2015. "

gabrielshorn2013

Aw, Trump did not terminate the “Pandemic Defense Unit”. They were reorganized, and folded into the Counterproliferation and Biodefense Directorate. They still have many of same people doing the same jobs. I posted the following on 02 April:

Bolton, as well as Tim Morrison, former senior director for counterproliferation and biodefense for the NSC, also have described the moves as a restructuring or consolidation. What was the Office of Global Health Security and Biodefense became part of the directorate on counterproliferation and biodefense.

Morrison objected to claims that the office was “dissolved,” writing in the Post on March 16 that the administration “created the counterproliferation and biodefense directorate, which was the result of consolidating three directorates into one, given the obvious overlap between arms control and nonproliferation, weapons of mass destruction terrorism, and global health and biodefense. It is this reorganization that critics have misconstrued or intentionally misrepresented.”(https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/dems-misconstrue-trump-budget-remarks/)

Have you never been reorganized into a different reporting structure in your career? You weren’t fired, were you? Same job, same title, new boss, right? As for the PPE, you are partially correct. The stockpile was drawn down by the Obama administration in the 2009 Swine Flu epidemic, and never replaced. I posted that last week too. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-coronavirus-masks/

We are not the Independent States of America, BUT we do have a Federal form of government. You do know what that means, right? In emergencies, the individual states are responsible for the health of their citizens. Each of the states needed to be prepared, and then request help from the Federal government if they couldn’t keep up. That is how FEMA operates in a disaster; first local, then state, then Federal.

gabrielshorn2013

Hay, you're correct.

threecents

I is not OK that every state and FEMA are competing for the same resources, driving prices up and not making sure that limited supplies go where they are most needed. The president rightfully declared a state of emergency early on, and he should have used those emergency powers more effectively, rather than blaming states when they are in trouble. But let's face it, Trump is doing as well as can be expected, considering his neuropathies.

awteam2000

Gabe,

have you ever heard of a CEO being fired or maybe suddenly taking early retirement or suddenly wanting to spend more time with their family after a corporate-reorganization didn’t go so well?

I have.

If the value of the company, corporation, nation’s market drops by a 1/3 , leading to 25% layoffs, closed markets with no incoming orders in the foreseeable future with no fordable plan, Who could survive that?

Lying, deflecting, attacks, blaming others and bullying won’t end this crisis. And definitely not blaming Nancy Pelosi. He has no more ‘tricks up his sleeves’. Only more exposer of his incompetence. We now are into the third month, debatably the forth month, with 10,000 dead in five weeks, where’s his plan🙄? We will surpass all countries dealing with this virus in the number of deaths by next weekend.

If you know what the plan is please share. We are all in this together.

Thank,

gabrielshorn2013

Yes aw, I have heard of a BoD firing the CEO. Happens a lot. However, that was not the question I answered. We were talking about the guys that get reorganized, not the guys that did the re-org. You stated “ Under Trump’s direction for the last 3 1/2 years he terminated the “ the pandemic defense unit in the CDC. Cut PPE funding from the national reserve budget and didn’t get his butt in gear until two weeks ago, two months too late, instead down playing the crisis. He did not terminate the pandemic defense unit, as I explained (with references) above. Those people are still there, performing the same jobs, under a new boss. That’s all. The PPE stockpile was depleted in during the 2009 swine flu epidemic, and was never replaced by the Obama or Trump administrations. That reminds me of an anecdote. Say you’re at home and you head to the bathroom for your daily constitutional. You sit down and do what you went there to do, and then realize that you’re out of TP. Who is to blame, the guy who used it all up and didn’t replace it or tell anybody, or you for sitting down without checking if the TP was there to begin with? As for the severity of the disease and its effect on the economy, that is the same as everywhere else on earth, and as I have repeatedly stated (with references), was predicted since the Reagan administration. The spread of this disease and its effects were inevitable, although folks always like to blame somebody. “Flattening the Curve” does not mean that doing so will save lives. It merely spreads out the infection rate. The number of people under the curve stays the same. The reason for flattening the curve is to hope that a vaccine is developed in time to save those not yet infected from contracting the disease. The whole world’s economy has been turned upside down by this. Do you not track international stock markets? Are Merkel, Trudeau, Macron, Abe, Conte, Johnson, etc. all as culpable for what happened in their respective countries? Why or why not? Yes, we will surpass other countries in total deaths soon, but remember, our population is much bigger, with more potential victims. Some countries, like Germany, have much lower morbidity and mortality rates because of social isolation. Germany doesn’t allow any more than two people to congregate, and they followed the rules very well. We have some very selfish people here who don’t care if they get infected or if they spread the virus. There was a story on the news tracing the “Spring Break Bros” from Florida back to their hometowns using cell phone data. It’s pretty impressive (as well as scary) that you can be traced wherever you go, just by tracking your cell phone signal.

gabrielshorn2013

Agreed three, that situation is not OK. But was it OK for the states to be unprepared in the first place, especially since it is their job to be prepared for a disaster, then ask the Federal government for assistance when things get out of hand? Every state in the Union has a disaster preparedness and response agency. Here in Maryland we have the Maryland Emergency Management Agency (https://mema.maryland.gov/) , who does a very good job. With a tornado you might get minutes of warning. With a hurricane maybe a few days warning. This situation was warned against for decades. There is no excuse for anybody to not have been prepared.

gary4books

Why indeed? Good point. Just wait and see.

rikkitikkitavvi

Perhaps the dems should have cooperated with Trump instead of passing out "Impeachment Pens". No?

xJacky1

The left’s preoccupation with gaining total power using a scorched earth policy has and will be a major reason why they have a diminished role going forward. To Trumps efforts during this pandemic I believe he has done an acceptable job. He is trying to be optimistic and provide hope to his fellow citizens. I am ok with that, but as earlier stated the same haters are going to state the same drivel day in and day out until it is time for the next election in 2024.

HappySeller2014

If you were in the military, would you follow your "wartime President" to take that hill over yonder? You would be facing a 6x higher woundeded/kill ratio than all of your allies attacking the same hill. And, probably lack a useful weapon, ammo and gear since he is stockpiling it for the feds and not you. You will need to scrounge around to find any support.

Yep, you would go ahead and charge on his orders, wouldn't you? Hope and optimism? How about realism and competence? He owns this.

The Darwinism parallels I can draw among some folks just blows my mind.

xJacky1

I guess I would ask the failed leadership of the previous administration why the stockpiles were not re-stocked. Then I would ask congress why they haven’t authorized the cash to do it. Yes, this happened on his watch, big deal it was the luck of the draw. He is dealing with it the best the bloated federal government can. Now I bet you and your types are secretly applauding the death toll numbers every day, but if you look where people are contracting and passing the most are in major cities that espouse your brand of politics. I wonder why that is?

threecents

Me, I would ask why Trump didn't do anything about getting extra masks in February and March. He said nobody was asking about masks - only ventilators. Never mind that retailers - including Amazon and Walmart - were out of masks when I checked in January.

armillary



Hundreds of thousands infected
who will die from the job he's neglected
but Trump loves to dream
and continues to scheme
in the hope that he'll be reelected.

Blueline

You will see that Trump is elected

Largely because of who Dems selected

One may say that's just a hunch

But there wasn't a decent one in the bunch.

public-redux

Poor scansion.

Dwasserba

Next

threecents

Sorry Blueline, that sad excuse for voting for Trump is not accepted. Everyone who voted for him is responsible for his failures. Whether you liked Hillary or Biden, at least they were/are qualified for the job they applied for.

Moon otter

[thumbup]

xJacky1

Another one of your useless opinions.

Jeepers11md

Democrats are cry babies the man got the job and deserved it over those democrats respect the man or move out of this great country

hayduke2

Stick to commenting based on Fox News stories.

Moon otter

[thumbup][thumbup]

naturegirl

How can anyone with a drop of intelligence keep supporting such a vile, untruthful, literally stupid person?

BugsnBunnys

Darn naturegirl...need a snickers? I consider myself quite intelligent and I fully support Mr. Trump! Keep up the great work Mr. Trump!

awteam2000

You just proved naturegirl’s point, you consider yourself quite intelligent 🤔 and you support Trump. The inability to understand the nature and effect of one's acts, unintelligence.

tonyc51

Much as yours, neither side in innocent of twisting reality to support their "Facts".

Dwasserba

However, she didn't mention any names and he knew at once who she meant.

rikkitikkitavvi

When are people like yo aw gonna stop talking and do something about ALL us dumb people? Why don't you all just go on out in the streets and get it done! Just do it you know-it-all [censored] truckers. Let's all meet at the intersection of life.

Alice Jones

ricko - you deserve pity. nothing else. get help.

HappySeller2014

Hey Bugs. No name dropping by poster and you revert right to defending Trump.

Everyone's observation is: (1) you belong to a tribe, (2) you obviously think it was Trump, and not my neighbor, the poster was referencing, and (3) you know the truth, it hurts, but you like being part of the herd and not facing the truth.

hayduke2

Wow, changed handle again. You are not fooling anyone.

Moon otter

go eat a toxic carrot.

DickD

Maybe your opinion of yourself is wrong!

rikkitikkitavvi

"It" certainly wasn't talking about the Trumphaters here or anywhere else in the city. The target was obviously Trump supporters. Right wass?

Moon otter

NG they can't cause they can't read nor comprehend what they read if they can read.

Jeepers11md

Must be talking about Nancy

fnpzwack

As the face of nuevo progressivism, Nancy Pelosi is the greatest asset the Trump campaign has. In 2016 and 2020, Americans aren’t so much voting FOR Trump, as much as they are voting AGAINST the bizarre platform of identity politics and character assassination of half the population.

gary4books

Always attacking a woman?

rikkitikkitavvi

HAHAHA. They wanna' be equal. Let them come under fire. Is that a problem Gary?

gary4books

Rik - not a problem. More like a warning.

rikkitikkitavvi

So you readily admit that nasty women do nasty things gary. Even un American things. That fits with numerous female members of the lower chambers actions and words. Look into "the squad" first. Whole buncha nastiness there.

olefool

I don't think they were voting for Trump in the 2018 mid terms... Most likely voting for Pelosi, the Trump antidote...

Greg F

Trumps Covid daily lie sessions are the best thing for Democrats. You have to be incredibly stupid to believe anything he says in them.

fjulia

Another apologist for the Great Buffoon and liar.

xJacky1

Perfect description of Nancy, I like it.

StupidPaywall

The modern female Hitler.

Alice Jones

you live up to your name, stupid.

rikkitikkitavvi

@julia, I never heard that one before. Got any more? Keep on sharing and coming back.

threecents

Again, Rikk, Can you not?

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