I’ve noticed lately that many of my progressive friends hate Trump (never President Trump). For many of these people, pre-November 2016, their only value was that they were nonjudgmental. I would often hear them say “who are we to judge” when discussing myriad political and moral issues. I always felt that was a rather precarious way to run a civilization, but I admired their consistency at least. That is gone. Trump is the one person everyone on the left of American politics can hate with a good conscience.

Many Democrats view the Trump presidency as illegitimate. Because of that, they have been calling for his impeachment virtually since he took office. I realize that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by a slim margin, but that is the third time that has happened in American history. That is not the way we select our presidents in America.

The other galling “fact” is that the Russians helped Trump “steal” the election by influencing people who get their news from social media sites and by hacking the DNC’s emails. That was why they were going to impeach him for the first 2½ years of his presidency. Then the Mueller report came out and failed to fulfill their fantasies. The Democrats were all in on the Mueller investigation but, not to be deterred, the next day (!), the “whistleblower” decided that he had heard from a friend who had heard from a friend of nefarious dealings between President Trump and the Ukrainians and so he just had to tell his friend who worked for Rep. Adam Schiff! You get the idea, right?

If everything this man does is an impeachable offense in the eyes of his opponents (someone told me recently that Trump has lied more than 13,000 times since entering the White House! How silly), the problem MAY just be with the opposition, not the president. The Democrats’ obsession with destroying Trump is not an agenda and cannot be endorsed as such. The opposition is not an opposition; they are the boy who cried wolf. That is what I and about 44 percent of the rest of Americans who are likely voters believe. About an equal number believe the mass media and Democrats in the House led by failed screenplay writer Adam Schiff. One thing of note is that the “rising stars” in the Democratic Party such as “the Squad” have steered far clear of this fiasco as they know it is doomed to failure. I think less than 5 percent of Americans paid attention to the impeachment hearings. Clearly this is very important to certain Washington news junkies, but for the rest of the country? Not so much.

What I find most baffling are the headlines of the mass media and their cable “news” enablers. One particularly idiotic observer, absolutely tone-deaf to the sufferings of our men and women in uniform, actually said that Ambassador Sondland’s testimony was a “massive IED”! This after Sondland repeatedly said there was a quid pro quo (there always are in politics, particularly in foreign policy) and then, a few hours later said, “I asked the president what exactly he needed from Ukraine, he said, ‘I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. I want [President] Zelensky to do the right thing.’” (CSPAN, 11/20/19.) Well, with that kind of clarity, no wonder so many people are “sure” of what happened. Happily, not everyone is so sure: Support for impeachment among independents went from 49 percent at the start of the hearings to 34 percent by the end. (Stern, Vanity Fair, 11/21/19.)

The most interesting question is what will happen after Trump is not found guilty by the Senate and the Democrat candidates run on a single-payer, Medicare-for-all health care system, open borders (the abolition of ICE), the loss of tax-exempt status for churches (and I assume synagogues and mosques) that don’t endorse their views on marriage, abortion, adoption, etc., the confiscation of weapons they deem too dangerous for average Americans to possess, the packing of the Supreme Court until it has the ideological bias they prefer, the abolishment of the Electoral College, the isolation of our closest ally Israel and its branding as an apartheid state through the Palestinian-led BDS movement and massive tax increases for the top 10 percent of earners in America.

I honestly don’t know how public-sector unions, who have engaged in a quid pro quo with the Democrats for decades whereby in exchange for being their largest funder, the Democrats secure ever more money for more dues-paying members, higher salaries and wonderfully comprehensive and inexpensive health care, can support universal single-payer coverage. Democrats wonder that the poor don’t vote Democratic in larger numbers. How can public-sector union members continue to support a party that promises the destruction of their greatest perk? How can Jewish-Americans support what would effectively lead to the destruction of Israel, the guarantor that the Holocaust will never happen again? It boggles the mind.

I am a Never Socialism Republican. I will likely vote for Trump in 2020 unless a Democrat is nominated that does not support the above lunacy. (Michael Bloomberg probably has the best chance, and I would put up with his narcissism just to save American-style democracy and capitalism.) The Democrats won in the midterms in 2018 expressly because they did not run (or even mention) these issues. The current group of candidates are Trump’s best chance at re-election along with an economy that continues to percolate, bringing wage increases to all classes but particularly the blue-collar workers who have suffered wage stagnation since Nixon. Those working-class voters form the backbone of the Trump coalition, and I think turnout among these folks will be huge. I don’t think any of the current field of Democrats excite minority voters who are the backbone of the Democratic coalition. That is a serious problem. While my Democrat friends continue to high-five each other, the economy, the impeachment farce, the socialist lurch of the national party and the utterly uninspiring candidates running for president make a Trump re-election almost assured. If they thought the day after the 2016 election was rough, boy, I don’t know how they’ll deal with this.

The permanent government that employs many in this region, are right to be scared of the change Trump represents but it is overdue. We need to remember that most Americans view Washington, D.C., as part of the problem, not the deliverer of solutions. I know that’s hard to hear, but it is true. Never fear — the Republic will survive and, if the past three years are any predictor, prosper. Enjoy the holidays. 2020 will be an interesting year.

David E. Staveley writes from Monrovia, where he and Brittany Ralphie increasingly realize that their family’s new Bichon-mini poodle, Daisy, is really calling the shots. He can be reached at destaveley@gmail.com.

(166) comments

Jleftwich

So much to unpack here. One item of note: Dave says he is a “Never Socialism Republican” and still supports Trump...who engaged in socialism by giving millions to farmers as a result of his failed tariffs.

awteam2000

I won’t read through all the comments, but didn’t Trump violate conduct for personal political advantage. If there’s a wrong don’t you go to the FBI to investigate? Not once but 2 times, violating investigation norms, the law, the constitution and giving cover to Russian operatives through his buffoonery. Where’s Trump’s defense for doing so? Is his defense Schiff, Pelosi, Hunter Biden? That’s Lame.

What about Giuliani and Nunes involvement in getting dirt on Biden to interfere in the 2020 election?

As a poli-sci major you should and would understand that, “Facts and Truth” matter,

des21

Wait for the trial. I am.

phydeaux994

Slam Dunk Aquittal. DUH!! Only supports what we already know, Republicans will vote for Trump as long as he sticks to his White Supremacist agenda, the same reason they started with on June 16, 2015 when he swooped down the Golden Staircase in Trump Tower and Proclaimed Hispanics Murderers and Rapists. Republicans are One Issue voters, nothing else matters to them as his approval rating remaining steady since has proved. As long as Trump throws in an occasional “BUILD THE WALL” the flock 🐑🐑🐑 will remain in lockstep obedience. MAWA

jagman

News update: Big jobs report out this week. DOW back over 28K. Wages continue to increase. Our country is winning. Regular Americans are winning (even you as you have admitted).

Relax and enjoy Americas renewed prosperity. All that Trump hatred clouds your view.

Jleftwich

In reply to Jagman and the “big jobs report”. Perhaps you ought to go inside the numbers before popping the champagne.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

jagman

Not sure what your issue is with the gritty details in the BLS report. For me, I'm very much a part of the strong economic power we are seeing now. On the ground I see many people who have better jobs than several years ago, many with real full time jobs for the first time since the recession, almost all are earning more than in previous years. That not something I read in a report or hear from a talking head on TV. It's what I observe in real time each and every day. Furthermore, this success cuts across all demographics in a way I haven't seen before. It's quite remarkable.

Couple that with genuine gains in the markets that are not based on money printed out of thin air, rather gains based on real corporate earnings and value.

The fundamentals are quite strong and have been for some time now. That is why small business sentiment is quite high and consumer confidence is quite high.

If you want to ignore that, so what. It's on you.

Those of us who live and operate within this economy know full well what going on and we are very happy with it.

Sadly, and this is reflected somewhat in the report, there are many Americans who have chosen not to participate. That's too bad, It is to be expected but it is their own fault. I saw the same phenomenon occur in the second half of the 80's with the great Reagan economy. Many people I knew chose not to participate and got left behind. The rest of us got busy, grabbed hold of the economy and did quite well. 30 Years later there was a stark difference in our respective station in life.

My advice would be to ignore the petty partisan silliness, recognize the great opportunity that is available and take advantage of it. Same advice I gave my friends in the 80's. Some listened and did quite well. Some didn't and ended up failures.

Can't help those who won't help themselves.

public-redux

“not guilty” =/= “innocent”

matts853

The most ironic and sad part of this whole sordid affair is that if the political polarity was reversed - and this was a Democrat president, especially Hillary, in the same situation - the Republicans would be crying foul and trying to impeach as well, only without as much decorum and professionalism as the Democrats have displayed so far. And I’d be saying the same things I’ve been saying - impeach by all means because regardless of party, the facts are indisputable and go far beyond the criminal standard of ‘reasonable doubt.’ It’s about right and wrong. And it’s really disturbing that tribalism is preventing otherwise rational people from agreeing on basic facts in plain sight. Some people are incapable or unwilling of seeing both sides.

I despised Hillary, and was more glad that she lost than Trump won. I thought Hillary was a liar, and that she was covering her tracks on the Benghazi fiasco. I had hoped the investigation would have resulted in something that officially put her in a bad light, just like the Mueller report did on Trump’s multiple obstruction of justice findings. The problem with that was that Meuller was too much of a gentleman and played it too safe to actually say bluntly - ‘Trump onstructed justice, but I don’t have any authority to charge him for it, that’s your job Congress.’ I guess he overestimated the intelligence and integrity of the public and the Congress to grasp those concepts.

I had also hoped that Trump would be a decent POTUS and perhaps a refreshing change from the political establishment. Man was I disillusioned! He’s worse than I ever thought possible.

gabrielshorn2013

Agreed matt, but growing up in the NYC suburbs of NJ, I knew all about his behavior. I shared a story a few times here where a friend of mine went to work for him in the 80s after grad school, but quit after a year, saying "what an a-hole". He hasn't changed one bit. I didn't cast a vote for President in 2016. First time ever.

DickD

We had some at Bechtel that did work for him. They never said anything bad, but they did laugh about him.

olefool

Yeah but.... did they get paid????? Most didn't.

public-redux

I lived in the NYC media area in the 1980s and it was generally understood that Trump (whoops, President Trump) was a pompous glassbowl, a self-serving grifter, and a congenital liar. It gasts my flabbers that 30 years later intelligent people think otherwise.

hayduke2

public - [thumbup]

MRS M

Matt, only one question on your otherwise balanced points. Why would anyone expect Donald to be "a decent POTUS", when he clearly showed America, way back in 2015, that he was an indecent man? i.e. when someone shows you who he is.......BELIEVE HIM. (thanks to Maya Angelou)).

threecents

Matt, If you think that excuses you, you are wrong.

matts853

Excuse me?

DickD

I don't get that either, Matt.

threecents

Sorry, I meant that if you voted for Trump, your explanation doesn't excuse you.

Thewheelone

matts853[thumbup][thumbup]

phydeaux994

You sure don’t mind taking those never-Trumpers, progressive friends of yours MONEY for spending working hours sniping back at your critics here. You’ve come a long way from that sensitive guy that was going to quit the FNP Opinion Forum because commenters were so mean and nasty to each other. Cosmo and Andy say hi to Daisy.

MRS M

Exactly, phy. What we have here is just another self-promoting, hypocritical pundit (oops, sorry!!.....essayist) who likes to have it both ways. Unimaginatively attacking the party he's not a member of (at least at the moment), and willing to vote for the resident grifter-president he claims to never have supported, BUT who will be first-in-line to be attacking others when his deep political "thoughts" (read: ingrained talking points and prejudices) are challenged with actual .....wait for it...... facts. After Trump loses, he'll also be the first to be declaring a "rigged election", and "election fraud" quickly followed by the other lathered up Trump supporters here, who get their talking points (and sadly, their understanding of the present dangers to our nation) from the bloviated clowns at FOX State News.

des21

Wow Mrs. M. you sure claim to know everything about me for someone i don't know. Or do I? How about having the courage to let me know who you are oh wise know-it-all?

MRS M

Mr. Staveley: (Oops, sorry! "Dr." Staveley!)

Since you've asked, everything (and I do mean everything) I would ever choose to know about you, is obviously derived solely from having the chance to peruse your columns (oops, excuse me (again!). (I stand corrected.....essays!), musings, and often self-aggrandizing commentary through lo', these many years.

Seriously? You're beginning a slow slide into the sad and overplayed, but always convenient, Trumpian mix of cards comprising cluelessness and claimed victim-hood, with a truly tiresome lack of understanding thrown in as to why those who challenge you here (and there are many) are doing so. Here's a hint, given this season of giving: Hypocrisy doesn't sell. And another: Facts matter. And finally, once (just once!) please use your incredible (self-proclaimed) brainpower and (often-cited) training in political systems to do a critical, meaningful, balanced and honest dissection of some "new" topics to explore, such as the extraordinary and mind-blowing dysfunction of the Republican Party, which you continue to support; OR perhaps, the real threats to America's Constitution that may be in play as the Trumpian reign continues. Now, THOSE would be shared thoughts truly worthy of a fine and original "essay"!, And, your many fans would be grateful to be enlightened....I know I would. Why not make 2020 your "year of greatness", to aspire to thought-provoking, balanced, and fair analysis, rather than (oh-so-predictably) continuing to trash democrats and the Democratic Party with ingrained prejudices, over-used talking points, and a narrow-mindedness unusual in one so obviously well trained in critical thinking? (How do I know this? I believe you've eluded to this ...on more than one occasion).

Very truly yours,

Mrs. M.

jagman

How many cats do you own M? 15? 20? Maybe 30 or more?

Inquiring minds want to know.

gabrielshorn2013

LOL, I have to admit that when I read this I laughed so hard that a little pee came out [beam][beam][beam]

Touch me it's so easy to leave me

All alone with my memory

Of my days in the sun

MRS M

gabriel, I believe there are now products on the market which can help ladies like yourself who are having problems with .....ahem.....your urinary incontinence. Good luck, girl.

jagman

And just like that, she proves what many of us understand to be the truth.

Kissing cousin to Pam Carlin.

gabrielshorn2013

Yeah jag, we all know tha the only thing Madame M is capable of is syrupy, pompous ad hominem. She couldn't argue her way out of a papar bag!

C'mon, sing your song like that old cat under the street lamp M!

Memory

All alone in the moonlight

I can smile at the old days

I was beautiful then

I remember the time I knew what happiness was

Let the memory live again

Touch me

It's so easy to leave me

All alone with the memory

Of my days in the sun

If you touch me

des21

Sorry Mrs. M. I'm taken. I think you are too old for me anyway. Obsess about someone else for a while! You go girl![beam]

des21

BTW, what is your problem with the word "essay?" JC, some people will B&*&h about anything.

des21

Yeah, you miserable lot have toughened me up Phy. congrats i guess. I used to try to avoid wrestling with my porcine brethren but that ship has sailed i guess.[beam]

DickD

What happened to your plan to become a minister, Dave?

des21

I am not worthy Dick.

Obadiah Plainsmen

Congratulations Dave, you are about to reach the century mark in comments. However you did contribute in reaching that pinnacle. But I must say that articles by yourself and Rick Blatchford(sp) do bring out the best of Fredericktonians.

hayduke2

On both sides Obie

threecents

Sadly, I don't see how Bloomberg will have any chance - unless he runs as an independent - as it looks like he will not participate in any of the debates.

threecents

DES, You may recall that Pelosi - and I think most of the House - was against impeachment before Ukraine Gate. Trump having his personal attorney negotiate with another country to negotiate getting dirt on his enemy is too much - QPQ or not. And the QPQ is obvious if you just follow the money and listen to what Mulvaney and everyone else said. The fact that Trump specifically said no QPQ was because he knew he would get in trouble, but in the same breath, he said for the Ukraine president to do what he was elected for and (fight corruption) and that he should want to do it. It was obvious from Giuliani's actions what Trump meant by corruption - the fake Joe Biden conspiracy theory and the fake Ukraine meddling conspiracy theory.

threecents

I think it is long over-due to have a discussion of the definition of tolerance. When we say someone is tolerant in the political sense, it refers to their willingness to accept people equally, no matter what their skin color, religion, sexual orientation, nationality, etc. It has nothing to do with tolerance for stupidity, racism, corruption, purchased bone spur deferments, tax cheats, frauds, rapists, bribers, bullies, Trump, Trump supporters, Trump apologists, etc...

jagman

Fortunately, in the USA you don't get to impose your intolerance on all the rest of us.

jagman

OK. A few observations here. First, this article is spot on correct in it's assessment of our current situation. You just had to watch yesterday's fake "hearing" populated by Trump-hating leftist law professors who have never met the man much less having any real knowledge of anything whatsoever going on in the administration. Yet we are told by the media cheerleaders that these people are providing evidence of impeachable offenses. Totally absurd.

The fact is democrats have gone so far on this that they can never recover. Pelosi is going ahead with a vote and no doubt she has strong-armed enough dems to go for it. This move will very likely result in a return of the House to republican control.

Once this sham hits the Senate, real witnesses will be called and there will be a lot of evidence that nothing even close to impeachable has happened. Furthermore, the force (people) behind this whole thing will be exposed for what they/it is. The rest of the election season will play out with that knowledge on full display.

Of course the true rabid lefties will continue to hate Trump. So what.

The original Trump supporters will continue their support and many "fence-sitters from 2016 will now have confidence in his leadership. The result, as I have predicted before, will be a win with more popular vote and probably about 35 states. As in 2016, we will see a vote sharply divided between densely packed, often feral, urban areas against the entire rest of the country. Frederick county will be a microcosm of such a divide.

The echo chamber that consistently whines and cries on these threads are not interested in what's going on in the real world: strong economy, 5 million more jobs, better wages, best stock market performance in history, a reduction in endless wars (for now anyway), lower tax rates and very high consumer and small business confidence. All of those factors are more than enough to re-elect an incumbent president. The shameful antics of the opposition just add fuel to the fire.

The one thing I will disagree with in the article is that Bloomberg could be a sensible alternative. His nanny-state positions while NYC mayor, his obvious hatred for firearm ownership and a rather unlikable personality won't play well in middle America. And that, my friends, is where a general candidate must shine.

BunnyLou

Yes, Yes, Yes [thumbup][thumbup]

veritas

[thumbup][thumbup] You go, jag!

hayduke2

Hey jag - still waiting for that devastating IG report about the 2016 election interference that you touted

olefool

Nancy's got a surprise for you jag..... By the way, you said best stock market performance in history".... not so fast... lets just compare Obama's numbers to Trump's numbers: S&P: By the end of October 2011, the S&P 500 hit 156% of the value it had on Obama's first day, which means the index increased by 56%. Under Trump, the increase was 34%, or 22 percentage points lower than the gain under Obama. DOW The difference in the Dow between the two administrations is significantly smaller. The percentage change under Obama was roughly 150%, meaning a 50% increase over the initial value. Under Trump, the 136% change, or 36% gain in value, was 14 percentage points less. Nasdaq:The difference here is strong. Up to now, measured from Trump's first day, the Nasdaq has seen a 149% change for an increase of 49%. At the same point under Obama, it was a change of 186%—an increase of 86%, or 37 percentage points more than for Trump. Russell 2000: The Russell showed the largest difference under the two presidents. A change of 171%—a gain of 71%— during the Obama administration was a whopping 55 percentage points more than Trump's 116% change, only a 16% increase. https://fortune.com/2019/11/01/trump-obama-markets-comparison-s-and-p-500-dow-nasdaq-economy/

jagman

You fail to put stock market performance in context, dude. Obama came into office immediately after a huge contraction. They market sold off another 25% after his election, bottoming out on March 9th, 2009. The market would need to grow back by over 100% to just get back to where it was. It was further fueled by 3 TRILLION dollars of new money pumped into the system by an Obama friendly FED and near ZERO interest rates. And it still took a good five years.

The market was at near high point when Trump was elected. This market growth is fueled entirely by economic confidence (based on many factors). The only reason it isn't 25% higher is because of the on-going trade negotiations with the Chi-Comms.

olefool

Read the article on Fortune. The base es were accounted for to make it even...

hayduke2

Near 0 interest rates - you mean like now! If the president gets his way they will go negative so he can look good...

matts853

Jag, always the Dream Weaver.

jagman

My comments are always based on what I see in the real world of sensible adults.

Not sure what world you live in.

veritas

In the wake of every Staveley column, I'm always struck by the vehemence and personal nastiness of the comments submitted by many of the usual suspects who haunt this chat room for the perpetually aggrieved. Reading them, one can visualize their bulging neck veins and the spittle collecting in the corners of their mouths. It's not a good look.

BunnyLou

[thumbup]

jagman

[beam][thumbup][thumbup]

richardlyons

Too funny!

DickD

Then don't look.

hayduke2

Funny, your description is exactly how I picture all the Trump fans who spin, deflect and mislead. Look at the comments objectively sometime and tell me who is "nasty."

des21

Its part of the reason I do what I do veritas. I particularly enrage Mrs. M. Not quite sure why but such is life. All the best.

jagman

And that, des, is something to be particularly proud of. Of course, Mrs M is easily enraged so there's that.

It's always great fun to read her rants. Charlie Sheen would agree.

mamlukman

If I wanted to sum up what's in a Trump supporter's mind, this would be it. So in that sense, it's a great summary of Fox News / extremist talking points. On the other hand, it's SO detached from reality it is, in the words of our Supreme Leader, "sad." The letter writer needs to spend on day on Google investigating in depth just ONE (1) of the issues. As Muller used to say, "The truth is out there." But it's certainly not in this LTE.

You can tell a person's character by his friends: Putin, Erdogan, Kim Jung Un, Boris...can't think of any others. If you want a president who gets laughed at by the General Assembly of the UN when he gives a speech, by all means vote for Trump.

hayduke2

Here's a visual -https://www.rawstory.com/2019/12/a-president-the-world-is-laughing-at-biden-releases-new-ad-attacking-trump-and-its-getting-widely-praised/

matts853

I saw this ad this morning. Brilliant and spot on! The man repeatedly makes a fool of himself. But to quote Obi Wan: “whose more foolish? The fool or the fool that follow’s him?”

olefool

Here's a name of one of his friends that certainly evokes thoughts of his character, Jeffrey Epstein, remember him?

phydeaux994

Crown Prince Mohammed bin Satan, another Fawn-over Friend.

matts853

The Republicans I’ve seen during these hearings all bare a striking resemblance to certain eatemeed Republicans on our last BoCC and inaugural County Council: Brainless, liars, and juvenile.

des21

Your getting repetitious and boring Matt.[yawn]

matts853

No, that’s new material. Original thinking.

olefool

You've been that way a long time des21.... I was wondering; why do you hate the American people so much that you want to burn the country down?

Dwasserba

No editors at this newspaper.

matts853

This is an unbelievably ignorant letter. Like all Trump supporters, Dave completely ignores the facts and redirects with dime store Republican talking points. It’s really pathetic that my supposedly erudite fellow Republicans have fallen under Trump’s spell. Trump has stated publicly that as president “he can do whatever he wants.” And he has - that’s a fact. In fact, the facts are so clear that he’s committed impeachable offenses of bribery & abuse of power, not too mention sweeping obstruction of justice, that this isn’t even a scandal. Sorry, but you can’t claim to cherish the constitution and love America while turning a blind eye to the danger this man poses to the country. If he’s not impeached and removed, then a precedent will forever be set that a president can indeed do whatever he wants and the founders’ greatest fear will be realized. As one of the witnesses testified yesterday, “if these aren’t impeachable offenses, then I don’t know what is.”

And Trump’s greatest fear has been realized - at least twice on the world stage - that he is indeed the laughing stock of the world. Then he tucked tail and ran. And this is the man people want for another term? That’s insane.

MAGA!

des21

I am shocked, just shocked at the reaction this piece has elicited[beam] Not really, you all are whistling past the electoral graveyard. It is amazing to me that Trump will get elected- TWICE- but I see nothing that will stop it. Impeachment is your best chance because the candidates are so poor (unless Bloomberg gets it) but you guys overplayed your hand- really badly. (Again, why do you all care so much about what other leaders think of us? I thought that was characteristic of adolescence. Very strange.)

matts853

Why should we care? Did you really just ask that question? Wow!

jagman

Nobody cares what euroweenies and the soy-boy Canadian think. They are not paying their agreed upon costs for supporting NATO. Trump has called them out for it and they are not happy. Why you think its OK for them to skate on that responsibility is a mystery.

richardlyons

[beam]

DickD

Twice? And you don't even know his opponent! That is delusional!

des21

BTW, it's an essay, not a letter. Just saying...……. Because you don't agree does not make it ignorant matt, it just makes it a different point of view than the one you hold. You've heard that before right? We will see what happens in the Senate.

mamlukman

Ignoring facts and logic does not = "different point of view." It = ignorance.

matts853

Sorry, Dave, it’s an opinion piece. Opinions can be either fact based and well argued, or...well, ignorant of facts. Considering that 12 witnesses have all corroborated the essence of the whistle blower complaint; Mulvaney said there was a QPQ; Rudy has said over and over he’s doing Trump’s dirty work (the irregular channel); Trump asked for a clearly intended bribe on the phone call and indeed did withhold the 2 quids (aid & meeting) until he was outed; Trump did in fact publicly encourage Ukraine and China to investigate Biden; and Trump is obstructing congress....just add all that up, Dave, and then get back to me on whether or not Trump is guilty of impeachable offenses. If your answer is still no, then absolutely yes - you’re opinions on the matter are willfully ignorant. I say willfully ignorant because your education and poly-sci credentials should make you capable of adding this all up.

MRS M

matt, the esteemed author has now deemed he's an "essayist" too, so he is! Some people, so clueless in their desperate need for self-promotion, sadly remain clueless to how "the world" sees them. Kind of reminds of Trump yesterday, embarrassing the United States as a few world leaders had their chuckle over Chuckles, with cocktails in hand, as he fled the country. Republican "leadership", promoted by Frederick's very own "essayist".

gabrielshorn2013

Ummmm...so, you've never written an essay Madame M? Never a LTE, or column? And about that ad hom...

matts853

Jag, please tell the audience why I’m wrong. Back it up baby.

DickD

[thumbup]

public-redux

Whatever happened to Harry Covert?

des21

Perhaps you should "focus on the ideas and not the person." Just a thought.[wink]

public-redux

I did.

threecents

What is the connections between Harry and Des, and why did Des use the Rick Blatchford emoji? Are they all the same person?

threecents

Oh, now I get it. "Focus on the ideas and not the person" is something PubRed posted about a different topic. Wow.

public-redux

Des’s ideas made me think of Covert’s ideas. It’s almost like des didn’t understand the compliment.

hayduke2

Hey des - how do you explain that the WH suddenly can't find that call where the president said he doesn't want a quid pro quo? Maybe it was written on the weather map in sharpie? Do you dispute the number of lies that Trump has told ( latest that I don't know Prince Andrew while staring at pictures of him talking intimately to him) ? Do you find it disturbing that he ignores lawful subpeona's to members of his administration? Do you think his behavior toward allies has MAGA? You bring up the "IED" statement but give him a pass on his comments to other world leaders and disrupting the military justice system? You denigrate folks for referring to him as Trump but never mention that the party of your choice referred to Obama all the time? You talk about blue collar wages going up but give no credit to the fact that states that increased the miniumum wage had a major impact on that. You decide to generalize and sterotype the entire Democratic voting group based on your OPINION of what they stand for. You convienently overlook the "our goal is to make Obama a one term president" platform of the Republicans while denigrating Democrats for similar statements. Selective outrage and cherry picking alternative facts is your forte.

des21

I denigrate folks" by saying they call him Trump? I do no such thing. You are hyper sensitive- like many on your side of the aisle. It's an opinion piece Hay, sorry that my opinion led my thinking. SMH.

hayduke2

Little to close to the bone, huh des. How about addressing " the issues presented and not the Democratic Party."

des21

You lost me bud.

hayduke2

+Lost you - is it bcause you can't address the questions/thoughts I posted?

matts853

In my opinion, OJ was framed and Nicole’s killer will be brought to justice. OJ should be given $100M for all he went through and his prosecutors should all be jailed.

Some opinions just don’t fit the facts....

des21

It's your forte as well Hay. It's called rhetoric. It used to be taught in schools. The ancient Greeks mastered it.

hayduke2

Well des, I believe the ancient Greeks practiced the art of persuaive discourse.

threecents

LoL HD

wran

This is the best column that has ever appeared in the FNP. Best ever!!

richardlyons

[lol] Too funny.

Dwasserba

Too long.

des21

Thanks Wren.[beam]

DickD

"Trump has no policy on any basic issue because his mental impairment means he cannot think strategically or in abstract terms. He cannot weigh options, access risk, or foresee consequences.

Concepts like fairness, justice, honor, and integrity quite literally do not register. You can see this in every interview or press encounter. He never states an abstract thought or idea. Instead he falls back on simple adjectives: disgraceful, horrible, low - intelligence, perfect, innocent, nasty, stupid, fake, etc.

He's driven by negative emotion, often paranoid and often insulting, vulgar, vitriolic."

John M. Talmadge, M.D.

matts853

👍🏻Dick. The man is unstable and mentally unfit for office. He has serious issues. I wonder why he was rushed to Walter Reed a couple weeks ago. My guess is he melted down and they rushed him out of the WH to avoid a public spectacle. They probably sedated him and sent him back.

If he’s not removed from office by impeachment then I can’t help but wish that he has some kind of non-life threatening condition that will preclude him from continuing in office and he’ll resign. He’s that bad of a president.

DickD

I doubt that he resigns, even if they put him in a straight jacket.

trwz

"I am a Never Socialism Republican." Socialism is taxpayer funds used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution or ability. Correct me if I'm wrong but socialism is responsible for i.e. military/defense; highways/roads; police; fire department; bridges; farm subsidies; CIA/FBI; museums; public schools; public parks; jails; veterans health care; food stamps; court systems; G.I. bill; health care for 9/11 rescue workers; state snow removal; welfare; dept of homeland security; USDA; dept of energy; secret service etc. etc. Socialism and capitalism have always co-existed in America. National socialism is different than Democratic socialism. Right?

MRS M

trwz: you may have missed Mr. Staveley's former "musings" on the benefits secured by a group in the interest of, and to the benefit of, the whole. This is the "gentleman" who has admitted to non-payment of his own union dues as an illustration of his high ideals and deeply held "principles" against Democratic programs, though he proudly claims and accepts all his union's benefits, such as the "wonderfully comprehensive and inexpensive health care" he and his family have, won on the backs of, and through the dues payments of, .........others. Like most members of the Grand Old Party, here exists the disingenuous ability to maintain and broadcast all of those high-minded principles ascribed to, including taking great pride in criticizing the democratic Party and the the values it upholds, while proudly waiting for, and voraciously consuming, the "handouts"' and those benefits hard fought for, and won by....the Democrats, just as you note above. See how that works?

hayduke2

Spot on Mrs M....[thumbup][thumbup]

DickD

Yes, but David draws a salary he states that is over $100,000 for teaching physical education to young kids. Makes you wonder why our taxes are being so misused.

des21

Ouch Dick, I earn every penny.

gabrielshorn2013

We've been through this dick. Teaching is teaching, conveying information and skills through effective communication techniques regardless of subject. Could you do it?

DickD

The problem is the school system pays for degrees, not work rendered.

gabrielshorn2013

Didn't answer the question dick. Besides, that's how the union's system works. All paid equally regardless of output, high or low. As a former union employee (UFCW Local 1262), that's why I'll never work in another union shop again.

DickD

Teaching may be teaching but not all teaching jobs pay the same. And teaching science courses and math is not the same as phys ed. For that matter, a good English teacher is priceless and history is essential.

gabrielshorn2013

Nonetheless Dick, teachers are paid by seniority and degrees attained. Given those conditions, they are paid the same regardless if teaching AP Physics or basket weaving. That is a Union Shop approach. So, let’s take that hypothetical AP Physics class. One is taught in an affluent community where the parents are highly educated, and help their kids with their studies. Then let’s look across town in a much less affluent neighborhood where the parents are less educated, and haven’t a clue about their kids studies. They are paid the same, but which teacher has to work harder to achieve the desired outcome?

gabrielshorn2013

In addition dick, with the epidemic of childhood obesity, do you not believe that a highly skilled physical education instructor is not essential in teaching kids about their bodies need for physical activity, and teaching proper techniques to achieve that physical fitness? Pays Ed is not a throwaway curriculum.

threecents

Des is probably way overpaid, but I can't blame him for that. That is the BoE's fault.

des21

I pay my union dues Mrs. M. i don't think I have a choice. Wherever did you get the idea that i don't? I think Public sector unions should be illegal but I am forced to pay my dues. Way to rise above the ad hominem as always ma'am.

hayduke2

Why illegal des? Just curious.

MRS M

One proselytizing high minded republican "principles", while being first in line to accept democratic and social programs paid for on the backs of others, need to accept their own truths. You "don't think you have a choice"? Funny. I stand by my post. Now, you too go forth and enjoy your holidays and the New Year, without any worry of health care coverage for you and yours........brought to you by the unions you so "proudly" denigrate .....................as being in opposition to your strongly held republican, "never-socialist" "values". Funny!

DickD

Because public schools have no competition, Dave? And in the State of Maryland you get a pension, from the State, not the County.

threecents

Doesn't Des really work for a socialist institution: public schools.

hayduke2

trwz - seems like this aspect of socialistic tendencies is overlooked. One might even add that the subsidies given to those farmers who lost money as a result of this administration's action is socialism as well. Mr. Stavely often slants the information and opinions he writes to fit his alternative universe.

gunslinger1123

There is a cost to socialism...during the 20th Century over 100 million deaths occurred as a direct result of socialism...through famine, murder, war...by Communist socialism, Nazi socialism, Fascist socialism...you name it...it's an historical fact. Hitler...Stalin...Mao...Fidel...Pol Pot...Hugo Chavez...all socialists. It's the logical end result of socialist policies. Don't say they had the wrong people in charge...that excuse is long worn out.

Capitalism is not perfect...it results in an unequal distribution of wealth...but socialism results in an equal distribution of misery. It's simply the nature of socialism.

matts853

False equivalence entirely. There’s no comparison at all of a socialist society ruled by murderous dictators who had complete autonomy with no checks and balances on their power. We have - or HAD - a system of checks and balances with co-equal branches of government in this Republic of ours, and that’s the whole point of this impeachment: Trump believes he has ultimate power and scoffs at the concept of checks and balances so he has a mindset that aligns more with the criminals you mentioned than it does with the founding fathers. That’s the real worry here and why the Congress has a constitutional duty to hold Trump accountable for his transgressions. He has tread upon us.

If you insist on talking socialism in the context of our American system of government, think Sweden.

DickD

If you think Hitler was a Socialist and Communism in Russia is Socialist, you better go back to school. They are Fascist dictatorships.

jagman

Here's a little "schooling" for you:

NAZI party full name: National SOCIALIST German Workers' Party

Soviet Union full name: Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics

By the way. The nazi's were known to be left wing until the world discovered what they were doing to the Jews. After the war ended the mainstream media conducted an extensive (and successful) campaign to rebrand them as right wing.

Do a little research on Hitlers platform. Almost all of it was classic leftist positions.

bpsws

Like many others, I've been called by many names because I don't support Trump. Yet, I have voted for many R's in my day. I would have voted for any R in 2016 except Cruz or Trump. I despise Trump every day for the embarrassment he brings to our country. So, yes, I want rid of him.

DickD

I voted for some Republicans, even voted for Reagan - once. But I didn't like any of the Republican candidates. If I picked the one that was the best, it would be Jeb Bush, but I had my fill of the Bush's. I thought his brother had made history as the worse POTUS. Then along came Trump and I had to revise my opinion.

gary4books

I am sociable (on occasions) and find this fear of Socialism in the USA to be a bit overdone. We have no real Socialist running for office - not even Bernie. The President has said enough and released enough traiscripts to make a case. What ever the Senate does, the evidence will be public information for the election next year. That is enough for me.

jagman

Being "sociable" is definitely not the same thing as "socialism" gary. You make the same mistake as young people who have no clue as to its meaning.

As for claiming Sanders isn't a socialist? Come on, even he proudly claims to be.

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gary4books

I have an undergraduate degree in political science. My comments were to the effect that what many call Socialism in the USA is not. Not even Bernie. Not like they have in Europe, that is.

gabrielshorn2013

And to further illustrate the idiocy of those that get their "news" from Facebook:

A Facebook rumor about white vans is spreading fear across America

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/04/tech/facebook-white-vans/index.html

Even the mayor of Baltimore fell for this hoax! Good grief!

richardlyons

I'd rather hear what you bijon poodle Daisy has to say.

des21

Daisy thinks you're miserable [wink][yawn][lol]

richardlyons

Sorry to hear it, but I value her opinion. Unlike yours.

matts853

No doubt she’s also mad as he!! like Turley’s dog...

gabrielshorn2013

[lol] LOL and SMH...yet here you are richard, commenting on a column that you didn't want to read in the first place.

richardlyons

[innocent]

des21

Richard keeps me laughing...…… as long as his property values keep rising all is good with the world- or not, I can never tell.[lol]

richardlyons

Always the joker. How is Daisy today?

hayduke2

Daisey wrote this ...

jsklinelga

Des

Interesting column. The point about the government union accepting universal care is very apt. The ACA is a clear cut example when Government staffers were granted exemption and the "Cadillac tax." was never instituted. No one really believes the pie in the sky platforms. They are simply beautiful, idealistic talking points designed to present the public face of HRC's " two faced" party and to help maintain the status quo which President Trump is wreaking havoc upon. The government unions. cherished locally., flourish under a real "quid pro quo."

Illegitimate election" They call him a buffoon but bottom lt line he was the smartest. He still packs overflowing rallies.

DickD

And you want to equate unon support of politicians to Trump trying to get at least two foreign countries to interfere with the U.S. 2020 elections. You can't even see the difference.

duffy5x

You're impressed with his "packed" klan rallies? Easily impressed.

hayduke2

jsk - you look silly and lose credibility when you post myths. For a factual look at the ACA and government staffers, look at https://www.factcheck.org/2013/05/congress-and-an-exemption-from-obamacare/

DickD

What a bunch of malarkey, Dave. You are the one that told me that the Russians are not our enemies. With a PHD in politics you know a lot about a little.

gabrielshorn2013

PhD envy for dick.

DickD

Not if I am going to act like an idiot.

gary4books

DickD - [beam][thumbup][thumbup]

des21

Wrong again Dick. I told you the Russians were a third rate tin pot dictatorship and that China was a much greater threat. And i absolutely stand by that. I realize for those of your age demonizing Russia will never end but let it go.

hayduke2

Sure des. Tell that to Crimea. Ignore the fact that Putin is a player on the world stage. Underestimate a foe. Nothing to fear here.

des21

He can make trouble and mess with your party- not a much as the Clinton campaign and he DNC did (See Bernie, 2016) but he can make trouble. China will be the number one power by the time we die if they are not brought to heel. There was bipartisan consensus on that until Trump started to do something about it. Now it's scandalous! What a surprise...…..

Dwasserba

Former KGB head, but hey

matts853

Dave, I’ve determined once and for all that you don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re the Sean Hannity of FNP commentators. So sad.

des21

Whatever Matt, I don't know you, you don't know me. Leave it at that pal.

threecents

Russia is our biggest threat. Just look at how their election meddling has subverted democracy and divided our country and others. They don't have the wealth and manpower of China, but if you don't think they are our greatest military threat, then you haven't followed their history and their current capabilities.

DickD

Not the way I recall it, Dave.

gabrielshorn2013

It was pretty much verbatim dick.

gary4books

see - A bum with a gun is a threat. Russia still has the nukes. They need special care.

BunnyLou

For the most part I agree with LTE writer’s opinion. I don’t agree that Mike would save the day though. In reality, Mike wants to save us from ourselves. He thinks we can’t think for ourselves. Talk about creating a nanny state that is what Mike would do.

terryandkenny

👍

matts853

Well Bunny, with every post you prove that you can’t think for yourself. Just another FoxBot incapable of rational thinking and completely ignorant of the facts and circumstances.

des21

You've become kind of nasty Matt. You'll fit in real well with those liberal, tolerant Democrats!

jagman

I have come to the conclusion that matt853 is actually a leftist. Ze claims to be republican but based on zis comments he is anything but.

That, of course, would explain his nastiness.

matts853

I know, I know. And I apologize. My comments are starting to sound a little too presidential. I shouldn’t call people stupid, or names, or threaten them, or lie, or....well, I think you know what I mean.

BunnyLou

Well well Matt tell me where I went wrong instead of attacking me. Notice how I disagreed with the author without disparaging him. It would be refreshing for you and your band of comrades to maybe do the same.

richardlyons

[yawn]

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