As I watch President Trump try to defend historical monuments, statues, bases, etc., I am struck by the glaring lack of historical understanding.

On the one hand, President Trump claims that the Republican Party is the "Party of Lincoln" and on the other hand refuses to rename bases named after Confederate generals and insists that Confederate statues have to be protected.

It seems quite odd to think that one descends from President Lincoln and at the same time feels the need to protect Confederate heritage. That doesn't make any sense to me.

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I just don’t see the difference of public opinion when these Monuments and Statues are removed and schools and buildings and streets are renamed. Northern Virginia is a Blue Region with a lot of Civil war era Monuments and schools and buildings and roads named after Southern Generals and Leaders and I never heard any objection or cries from the public to change them until recently. Most don’t even relate to those names and if they do they are smart enough to know they are remnants of a time when a majority may have believed in the thinking of that time. What we need to get rid of is the thinking of the 40% of Americans that still want America to digress to those times.


I guess many don’t know who the buildings, shrines and statues are named after. There goes the “remembering our history argument“ for keeping them. Nobody knows who they are.

I’m more in favor of moving these endowments, shrines of the past “lost the lost cause“ placed in regional historical museum, historical parks where the beliefs of the time can be more fully expressed in historical fashion, not ingratiated by memorials of those that chose to rebel against the Union.

I’m sorry to see monuments vandalize. But I’m just as uncomfortable that 200,000 military members of color now serving our country and are stationed at forts named for people who would have persecuted them, enslaved them, didn’t seen them as equals.

The recent appointment of the top commander of the Air Force, nominated to Chief of Staff, has expressed the same opinion.


aw, I think that those 200,000 military persons of color would be a lot happier if they would actually be treated as equals when they go out in America. Let’s achieve Racial Justice and then start the removing of Monuments and changing names of schools and buildings and roads when it is more than lip service.



Not often do I learn some new and worthwhile tidbit in this section but the posting of the Cornerstone Speech was super. If I was a black man and read this I would seek to tear down every monument I could lay my hands on.


Yes; as much as the South pretends the whole thing was all about "states' rights" their articles of secession make it clear that it was about slavery. They thought that blacks were inferior and enslaving them was the white man's god-given right. And people wonder why this whole thing pisses black people off.



Dod given right? it has no mention of God but science: "This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has ..." Social Darwinism.

Greg F

Because you don’t know doesn’t mean others don’t. Take trump and pence and their use again of Nazi symbols just recently. They claimed ignorance...I doubt they were


Pretty sure Congress is the one that names the bases, just like the Post Offices.


In other words it is not important what Trump thinks.


What? Trump's actions don't make sense? Incredible.


Yeah! lol


If they are put away where those who care can view them, they are protected from vandalism. End the debate.


Civil war battlefield sites would be a good start, unless someone decides to drive there in order to be offended at statues there. [crying][ninja]


I wonder about the battlefield sites bosco. Are they going to rename Confederate Avenue and remove the very large Robert E. Lee Statue there overlooking the 3rd day battlefield at Gettysburg? Are they going to remove all the Monuments to Confederate Units around all of the battlefields??


That would be funny. It would look like the Union troops marched all over the place for war games.[lol][ninja]


That makes no sense, Phy. It is perfectly fine to give some honor to the losers of a battle on the battlefield itself. Honoring the dead where they died is always fine. Honoring traitors in the middle of a town is stupid.


Shiftless, near the American Cemetery above Omaha Beach is a small cemetery for fallen German soldiers with Iron Cross-style monuments. My French guide said that they don't rewrite history and use them to teach history to the French school kids.[ninja]


So Robert E. Lee is a traitor in Richmond but an Honorable Man in Gettysburg?


Right before Lee surrendered his army, Lincoln told Grant to "let 'em up easy" in order to smooth relations between north & south. Grant himself said after the surrender "The rebels are our countrymen again."


Maybe this will help Bradley make sense of it all.......“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”......George Orwell writing in the book 1984. [ninja]


You sure are obsessed with that book. And much of what is happening is outlined in that book.


Not obsessed with 1984 any more than you are obsessed with Trump, DickD, but I did read it in undergraduate school and that passage always stuck with me and reverberates whenever someone tries to rewrite history in the name of political correctness. [ninja]


Did you happen to read the “Confederate Declaration of Independence“, known as the ‘Cornerstone Speech’ given by then the future Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens in March of 1861, declaring the reason to secede from the Union and form a new nation?

“ This new constitution. or form of government, constitutes the subject to which your attention will be partly invited. In reference .... Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day.”

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