I am the darker brother; a 58-year-old black man living in America. Over the course of my life, I have been both witness and victim to racial bias. It didn’t make me angry, it didn’t make me bitter. It primarily made me sad that people treated me differently simply because of the color of my skin.

You see, I knew in all these instances that God made me who I am and that he made me to be equal to anyone else. So, I did not let the small minds of others kill my dreams. Those of you who are offended by the term “Black Lives Matter” need to see a different perspective. It is not that black people want to be treated differently, but it is that we want to be treated equally.

I agree that all lives matter, but the sad part is that in 2020, we would even need to voice that black lives matter too. For those of you who don’t understand the problem with the flying of confederate flags and the displaying of statues that depict confederate officers of the Civil War, wake up. These are, and have always been, reminders to those of us whose ancestors lived under the shackles of slavery of just how oppressive America has been and continues to be for black people. We have reached a boiling point in this country, a point where we either must implement change or see the America we all know and love crumble right before our eyes.

Black people are frustrated waiting on the dream that never seems to come. The time is now to make this country what it can and needs to be, the land of the free and the home of the brave for all its citizens.

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mrnatural1

On Jun 14, 2020 @ 7:00am, bosco wrote:

"And, after having done citizen ride-alongs in L.A. that people of color react differently when being pulled over by the police - white or black - and that starts the spiral to a bad outcome? In my own observations, most of the time the officer couldn't tell the color of the person being stopped for, say, a traffic violation, until he/she was at the driver's door so driving while black was not a factor. Many, many times the white motorist was less confrontational from the get go - unless drugs or alcohol were involved. Just sayin' there may be a cultural bias toward the police from different cultures and that plays out on the streets. I'm sure there must be some criminologist somewhere who has studied it. At least I hope so."

~

Sounds like a "chicken or the egg" problem.

Are black people, especially young black males just inherently more violent? Of course not.

Are most cops homicidal racists who wake up every day thinking about their next state-sanctioned 'kill'? No.

The situation seems to be a vicious cycle that started a long time ago, with slavery, and then continued after emancipation with Jim Crow, the KKK, Southern redneck sheriffs, lynchings, and segregation. Throughout all of that brutal history, cops would give "special attention" to black people. So blacks learned to fear the police. That fear (and hatred) carries on today.

So to the extent people of color react differently when being pulled over by the police, it's understandable.

Then again, some people -- of all races -- ARE violent criminals or just garden variety jerks. So history doesn't explain every black person's behavior, but it is a major factor overall.

Cultural bias? Absolutely.

mrnatural1

On Jun 14, 2020 @ 11:31am, Thewheelone wrote:

"Well said, Greg F. A good start, at least one which would show some progress would be for the Washington football team to change its' name; although it is doubtful that this will happen, at least under Daniel Snyder. Calling them "Redskins" is yet another form of whites feeling superior to another race of people whom they had to slander by giving them a demeaning name. Now, many are giving lame excuses as to why it is a term of honor or other such nonsense."

~

I honestly do not care one way or the other about the name of D.C.'s NFL team.

That said, last I read, a full 90% of Native Americans surveyed did not find the name "Redskins" offensive -- with a sizeable percentage saying it was a positive thing.

Maybe that's changed, IDK, but shouldn't it be up to the people/group in question whether a term is offensive?

Again, I really don't care about the name. It could be changed to the Washington Daffodils as far as I'm concerned. However, white people should not presume to speak for any minority group.

jerseygrl42

Walter, one nan't wait for dreams to come true, you have to work to get there

pstefansch

Thank you for sharing your insights, Walter.

DickD

This is so true and sad that we can't take people for what they are,; instead of the color of their skin. You can lose a lot of good friends due to your racism.

gabrielshorn2013

So true Dick. It was shocking to be asked "so you're part n*****?" when "friends" learned of my creole ancestry while growing up in suburban NJ. I hardened and worked as hard as I could to escape. Success is the best way to say effew to your detractors.

bosco

Right on, gabriel. When my father returned from WWII, he couldn't check into a nice hotel on his way home. He was dark enough that he couldn't pass in the south. I'm about the same shade and was called Bosco in grade school by kids of both races and it didn't bother me because we were all poor and didn't know it. With the occasional kick in the rear, I availed myself of public education and was able to rise above my station and make a reasonable success. I don't tolerate cries of racism as an excuse and don't brook criminal behavior. The US is the best place on Earth to make something of yourself if you really want to.[ninja]

awteam2000

“ it didn’t make me bitter. It primarily made me sad that people treated me differently simply because of the color of my skin.” Regardless of his personal success he will always be judge by his color first as “a threat”, “not worthy”, he can’t escape other’s inherent perceptions of color. Equality is for all, regardless of station in life.

Where’s the crime in jogging, sleeping in your home, walking at night, a 12 year old child playing with a toy gun in a park in front of house, an East Indian visiting his son, a doctor, taking a morning walk being severely beaten by the police because he was walking through a white neighborhood, after a neighbor called about a black man up to something is walking in the neighborhood. If you don’t get it, you won’t get it.

bosco

And, after having done citizen ride-alongs in L.A. that people of color react differently when being pulled over by the police - white or black - and that starts the spiral to a bad outcome? In my own observations, most of the time the officer couldn't tell the color of the person being stopped for, say, a traffic violation, until he/she was at the driver's door so driving while black was not a factor. Many, many times the white motorist was less confrontational from the get go - unless drugs or alcohol were involved. Just sayin' there may be a cultural bias toward the police from different cultures and that plays out on the streets. I'm sure there must be some criminologist somewhere who has studied it. At least I hope so.[ninja]

awteam2000

Bosco, your experiences!

gabrielshorn2013

So aw, how many black men's experiences does it take before you consider the point valid?

awteam2000

When all “BLACK LIVES MATTER” 👊

gabrielshorn2013

Cute sloganeering, but nonetheless a deflection. A black man (bosco) gave his opinion, and you dismiss it as his experience, implying that it is a unique experience that is not shared by others, hence, my question. How many people must share bosco's experience for it to be valid?

awteam2000

Bull, Bosco is no blacker then You or me.🤦‍♂️ He commented in the past, when approaching “black people” on the street of Frederick, he looks them right in the eye to show he’s not afraid of them 😱. Who does that🤷‍♂️? That’s an ‘inherent perception’ that’s systemic. But at least he was honest, he fears black people at “first sight”, a racial bias.

gabrielshorn2013

Beg your pardon, aw? Bull? I guess you missed his previous posts identifying himself as a Harley-riding, truck-driving black man, or how he got his nickname “bosco”. Hmmm…Oh well, I’ll let him explain it to you…again. As for “looking them in the eye, smiling, and saying “how you doin’”, that was me, and it has been something I was taught to do by my parents, and have always done since I was a child. It was not to tell anybody that I was unafraid of them, but that I am friendly and am not a threat to them. Often folks will then smile back and say “hi” or nod their head with a smile, but not always. Do you doubt my Creole ancestry? My Creole memaw on my dad’s side was born in the early 1870s in New Orleans during reconstruction. Read what happened to Creoles during and after that time. I still have distant relatives in the area that I have reconnected with through “23 and Me”, and that side of my family has been in the NOLA area since before the Louisiana Purchase. My brother still has our one and only photo of her hanging in his house. That’s what I was referring to when I said “…when my ‘friends’ found out my creole ancestry…”. Look up what Creole is. I’ll let you do your own homework. I have mentioned this several times over the years. Thank you for stating that you are Caucasian.

awteam2000

You may want to address blacks in Frederick in past tweets. If he can’t remember, I can repost the comment. 🤔

Meanwhile you having mixed racial ancestry and $2.00 will buy you a Vente cup of coffee at Starbucks. Who cares?

I think your view may be from the other side of the fence... But I get it. You’re not with the protesters who are saying “enough is enough”. You are on the other side of the fence arguing for more. No need for change.

It’s their fault for not being able to melt into the dominant western culture because of their color. It’s not your fault, because others first see them as less then because of their color, different, they are not ‘us’ not quite Americans too. They’re black, inherently not quite due the say equality as us in the greater hood the national neighborhood . Right?

I know “black on black” crime. The popular ‘dog whistle’. So, what if the police kill a few or community watch groups kill a few, in the big scheme, it doesn’t matter if we kill a few? Right? They did something wrong, will even minor or nothing at all other then living while black, it’s their fault.

Can you say, all lives matter if “BLACK LIKES MATTER”? Even those at the bottom of the totem -pole in our society as much as those on the top.

A few bad cops“. Isn’t the problem. It’s a long legacy of oppression, with lame efforts to address the underlying issues - respect, education, compassion, and acceptance -equality.

It’s a inherent white problem that others have to deal with. Fortunately the future, younger generations recognizes that. It’s changing.

gabrielshorn2013

Good Lord aw! Assume much? When have I ever stated such nonsense either directly or indirectly? You were the one that stated I, and bosco , were white, just like you. I corrected your erroneous assumption by stating that I am of mixed race. Now you’re diminishing my ancestry? Other side of the fence? I believe my perspective is a bit more relevant than yours because I have lived the discrimination. You ever been called a n*****? I never implied that someone is less of a human because of their color. Ever. Are you just cutting and pasting from pre-written lines, even if they don’t apply? I am with the protesters…to a point. Enough is enough with the killings of black young men. Peacefully protesting en-masse is what it will take to change things. Think MLK and Gandhi. Gandhi told his followers that if they beat you, do not raise your hand. MLK took that pacifist approach in his marches, and the world was horrified at the level of viciousness they were faced with. Even Malcom at the end of his life realized that violence wasn’t the answer, and that violence begets violence. Did you support the protests in Atlanta after Rayshard Brooks slaying at the hands of the Atlanta officers? I sure did! Did you also support the burning down of the Wendy’s Restaurant? Explain why it was OK to burn that place down, putting all of those people out of work. They had nothing to do with any of that. There is never an excuse for destroying someone’s personal property, as you apparently agree after you threatened to “kick KR’s @$$” if he tagged your property. Did you not say that? You certainly did. And why threaten violence, since, according to you, “all it takes is a can of Goof-off and some elbow grease”. You must think your own property and time valuable enough to threaten violence. When did I discuss “black on black” crime here? Hint: I didn’t, so dog whistle back atcha bud. You’re just throwing $#!+ at the wall now, and not trying to further the discussion. Somehow I think that these are all your hang-ups, and you are trying to transfer them onto others. If you want to have a real dialogue, then great. If you want to do this, then effoff.

bosco

gabriel, don't fret about awt and his/her prejudices that he/she projects onto others. I am of mixed heritage also and am darker than some tanned Caucasians and lighter than some Africans. I am comfortable in my skin and do indeed look everyone I encounter on the street in the eye and extend a greeting. It's sort of fun watching people try to figure out what I am. Some blacks give me that knowing look and some whites give me that puzzled look. I have enough African DNA to be classified as negro in some southern states, but enough Scotch/Irish to lighten my complexion to "pass" in northern states. It's amusing to me me that in this day and age it is the left so caught up in complexion politics instead of success politics. I was taught to judge people by their actions and their character, not their shade of brown. Peace.

[ninja]

awteam2000

I didn’t read your “long and steep” comment, fear of falling but got the jest. You where questioning why the protesters burned down the Wendy’s and you feel minorities blaming their issue on others (whites).

Well let’s start: The guy had fallen asleep 😴 in his car at Wendy’s drive through,holding up the line , an annoyance but not worthy of death. The police were called the black guy died at that Wendy’s. Many black people are telling me that problem could have been easily resolved by waking the driver up, having the driver move his car, then once determining he had too much to drive impounding his car and having someone driving him home, but under current policing policies in Atlanta, it led to death, “running while drunk“. “Enough is a enough”.“

You haven’t heard, the “kettle has boiled over”. If his life doesn’t matter your business doesn’t matter.” Hit back” , is now in style. I bet Wendy’s would have rather to please handled it differently then winner of their franchise is being burnt down, regardless whether you think it was the victim fault or the police cause for his Demise

Second question with a question: Do you know what’s going on?

Company’s are calling energy corporate meetings to better understand the outrage of minorities in their employment and customers. Local and state governments are pulling down confederate relics over night across the south and the country, calls for police reform and creating racial differences awareness councils. Request for local communities to determine how they want to be policed.

Overnight NASCAR has voided all confederate flags held at their events declaring it’s racist. The NFL, and US Soccer League acknowledging “Black Lives Matter” Is righteous. The players, in mass have plans to taking a knee at Forthcoming games. The list of outrage, dissent and acknowledgment goes on.. There an overwhelmingly outrage and support for change around the world. Yes, systemic racIsm is an issue and “ Black Lives Matter” is now main stream. It all took a complete reversal in the past several weeks due to Derek Chauvin murder of George Floyd by purposely pressing his knee on his neck for 8:46 minutes. If you missed it, it’s on YouTube. Other murders by police are popping up all over the country and any old good ol’ boy.

mrnatural1

Bosco,

I worked with a guy named Yousef. He was from Yemen and had brown skin and curly black hair.

Yousef would tell anyone who would listen that he had been a prince of some sort in Yemen. He also had an EE degree, while most of my coworkers were technicians, Yousef made it clear that he thought he was superior to everyone in the dept, so naturally he didn't make many friends.

Yousef told a black employee who I was friends with (in another dept) that he was sure the reason no one liked him was because of his appearance and/or where he was from. That was not the case at all, it was his personality.

Point being that yes, sometimes people will claim there is racism and/or discrimination where there is none. Not every black or brown person who doesn't 'make it' is a victim. Some people (regardless of race) are simply not motivated; have mental or emotional issues; struggle with addiction; and/or have learning disabilities, etc.

That does not negate the fact that many people of color ARE discriminated against -- that the primary reason they are not more successful IS the color of their skin, their nationality, and/or their religion.

It's a tough problem. No one wants to be 'played' by someone who is essentially crying wolf, but we cannot tolerate discrimination either.

gabrielshorn2013

Wow aw, just wow. So, you raise questions and make accusations, but are unable or unwilling to read a thoughtful response to those issues. I can only think of two reasons why not. You are either trolling and really didn’t care if I responded, or you are day drinking. If the latter, step away from the bottle. If the former, well… effew. Do you honestly believe that I have not been keeping up with the minutest of details on this issue and others throughout my life? If so, your assumption is wrong…again. “The black guy” had a name, Rayshard Brooks. Say it. Know it. Did he deserve to be shot to death? No! If he ran they had his driver’s license and his home address. They could have gone to his house and picked him up on DWI, with the additional charges of resisting arrest, attempted assault of an officer with a weapon (Taser), and flight to evade capture. Shooting him dead was inexcusable. Again, you attempt to twist my earlier response past the modulus of elasticity. NOWHERE did I ever imply that, as you said “you feel minorities blaming their issue on others (whites)”. Oh my, please keep your bigotry to yourself. Do only white people work at Wendy’s? You have no idea who they were, or their ethnicities, do you? Yet these people (you know, the cooks and counter people), who had nothing to do with the incident, are out of work. Memaw had a name for “woke” people like you. She called them “ofay”. “They think they know what’s best for us, and will condescendingly pat our heads, but they haven’t a clue.”

gabrielshorn2013

Thanks bosco. aw is revealing their true self. smh...

awteam2000

Bosco, I think many northerners and southerners, east coast and west would

want to know “who you are, too”, what the hell are you talking about? Do “Black Lives Matter” or not? “ No soup for you.”

This country is so heterogenious no one is questioning whether you are simply “black or white” except the group you identify with and who are the coal in the fire. If there’s a question in ethnicity it spans across not ‘white or black‘ but your color, featured, accent. Who you identify with. Comon’ Bosco you should know that being colored. Who do you identify with? If you’re seen as a threat to western civilization you might be of Asians descent, Middle Easterners , Hispanic ,African or even European descent all mixed up, but what Americans do you identify with? Black? Then stop hiding, come out of the closet, don’t be afraid to say “ Black Lives Matter“. Or your dad’s service to the country but be denied housing , his humiliation was all for not. So why bring it up?

des21

aw is expert at virtue signaling Gabe. We just have to shut up and accept- she is a morally better person than us. At least to herself............

gabrielshorn2013

Jeez aw, your subtle racism becomes more evident with each post. Why should we have to choose to identify with any particular ethnic group? Why can't we identify with everything that makes us, us? Is one group "better"? Why are you so fixated on someone's race?

bosco

[thumbup]....how about I'm an American? And, we are all different shades of brown - although I have seen some very pasty white goths. Maybe their all black attire makes the look extra white.

It's interesting that the left's liberals are the ones that can't move past labelling and identity politics.

[ninja]

Piedmontgardener

What's truly sad to me is that Mr. Rose even has to write this letter in the year 2020. It's time to treat the illness that is poisoning our country and preventing us from being a great nation. That would make America great again, just in a way that promotes all of us.

sevenstones1000

It’s really not too much to ask.

Thewheelone

Two things I read today were very revealing and prompted me to reflectively think about race relations, the Black Lives Matter movement and white privilege in this country today. First, I read the review in the FNP of Spike Lee's Movie, "Da 5 Bloods," about the Black Vietnam Veterans who return to Vietnam after the war and it's reminder to me about the way African Americans were treated after serving our country in many wars. This indicates to me that white privilege has been with us, not only in those awful days of slavery, reconstruction and Jim Crow but in more modern history as well. And yes, in the history of my generation and in the generation of many readers of this forum. How else can one explain the ingrained, purposeful racism and the attempts over the years to keep black Americans from benefiting from the same social, economic and cultural stature as whites? Some readers of this forum will say, things like "Don't blame me, nobody in my family owned slaves" or some other attempt to whitewash the fact that the roots of these problems emanate from years of oppression and a continuing, mindful practice of keeping blacks a separate but certainly not equal segment of our society. The second revelation to me today was Mr. Rose's letter to the editor. It prompted me to think about his words and some self examination which also brought me back to my own history. As a kid growing up here in Maryland, I often heard my father speak of blacks in horribly degrading ways. This is sad because he had blacks working for him in his restaurant who were steadfast and loyal employees for many years; yet one day when I was in first grade, I brought my black friend home to play after school and my dad told me not to bring him to the house anymore because he said, "we don't allow colored people in the house." Those words ring in my ears today as if they were spoken 5 minutes ago. This is how I grew up; this is the way I was told that blacks were not good enough to come into our house, to sit at our table, to go to our church, to be our friends. This did not happen in the days of slavery or the subsequent years of oppression; it happened in the 1950's. Thankfully, due to my experiences, education and faith, I do not have my father's hatred but just suppose that I had continued to carry the same ideas he had and while perhaps not directly speaking or acting the way he did, gave a similar message to my children? Suppose my kids did the same thing with their kids? Perhaps this is how white privilege continues. When Mr. Rose wrote about the flag, once again the "we didn't own slaves" crowd comes to mind and I say to them, think again; this is not only about what happened 300 years ago. Bravo to you, Mr. Rose for your eloquent, thought provoking letter; I tip my hat to you for writing it.

DickD

Where I grew up we didn't have any black. I certainly knew that they existed and couldn't help wondering why they discriminated against. Then I went to Long Island and one of my best friends was black. We used to caddy together on week ends.

Dwasserba

White people don't even know all the times their treatment was preferential. Your family didn't have to own slaves to benefit.

Greg F

One thing is they many who came here did so after all slavery ended....or if not, like Irish, were also treated like garbage. This has happened to many people. A portion of my ancestors are Sami, and in their land were persecuted badly just as Native Americans are here. That’s why they left to Canada and eventually to the US. Can you tell those of us with Sami mix from any other white...depends as it tends to skip a generation or show in one but not another. Those it doesn’t...well...things just aren’t the same for them. I have great empathy for the BLM movement, though the few that loot are portrayed by the media as a valid part of the movement, obviously which is not true. Those are the profiteers of any conflict. I see all too often by white commenters here they like to say otherwise. You know who you are. I would welcome a similar movement by Native Americans. They have gotten the chit end of the stick since whites showed up on these shores. As a partial Sami, but one who has none of the visual traits, it is all too often I hear horrible things said with them not knowing. I do what I can to correct them.

Thewheelone

Well said, Greg F. A good start, at least one which would show some progress would be for the Washington football team to change its' name; although it is doubtful that this will happen, at least under Daniel Snyder. Calling them "Redskins" is yet another form of whites feeling superior to another race of people whom they had to slander by giving them a demeaning name. Now, many are giving lame excuses as to why it is a term of honor or other such nonsense.

hayduke2

wheel - [thumbup][thumbup][thumbup]

mrnatural1

Great comment Thewheelone. [thumbup]

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