This last episode with Kai Hagen has prompted me to finally write a letter requesting that he be removed from the Frederick County Council.

Sadly this is not the first time that we have seen him exhibit erratic behavior. This time he is fortunate that nobody was injured when he interfered with a deputy doing his job.

Mentioning that he only stopped because it was a white police officer and a Black man who was pulled over, leads me to believe he is racially bigoted and does not appreciate what our law enforcement does to keep us safe here in Frederick County.

His negative attitude as the “thought police” is presumptive and troublesome, at best.

That kind of thought process has got to go. It has no place here. Having lived almost all my life in Frederick County, I can honestly say it has become more dangerous than ever before. Mr. Hagen making our county police officers’ jobs even more difficult is not helping any. How would you like it if the police came in while you were conducting your business and told you how to do it?

Lisa Hettich Shereika

Ijamsville

(87) comments

Awteam2021

… And the Black driver got two warnings to place his trailer tag on his trailer and sent on his way. Went home and had a beer.🤷‍♂️ Probably put the tag on the trailer that night. That was 24 days ago. And folks are still arguing over it. All because the Sheriff had no recourse but to blow it way out of proportion by calling into WFMD. I have never heard of anything so juvenile by a chief officer. Has anyone else?

gabrielshorn2013

Yep.

DickD

[thumbup][thumbup]

stjohn42

[thumbup]

HappySeller2014

I wonder if Kai has partipated in any more cop traffic stops over the last 48-72 hours? If not in Frederick City or County, maybe a nearby MD, PA, VA or WV county?

Plus, massive balloon release monitoring is a 24/7/365 job. Would be better for all involved if Kai just had his eyes trained upwards into the sky.

Happy/Gab/???

I would suppose if he has the FNP will let us know so...stay tuned for more FREE PUBLICITY...I guess or has Sheriff Jenkins been advertising his deputies tire changing services on the radio again? Have you been following Kai to know he's been to all those states? You are sounding kinda stalkerish...just sayin....

threecents

How do you explain that Happy and Gabe have very different takes on the incident? Is it a ruse to try to convince us they are not the same person?

HappySeller2014

I am not Gabe, threecents. Pickles actually thinks I am three or four posters. Just like she thinks Kai is also an undercover wannabe cop.

gabrielshorn2013

Not only that, three, we are diametrically opposite on the balloon release issue. But then, we may be a part of the Borg Collective.

Threecents

I am not trying to convince you of anything you don't want to be convinced of...that's entirely up to you, want you want to be convinced of or not be convinced of ...right ?that's not up to me to decide..it's kinda like the sky daddy thing.

See I have decided they are one and the same person and shall always lump them together by their names when I am responding to either Happy/gabe/????

They have had the same exact take on the incident.....

threecents

PWW, I generally enjoy your posts as a sort of performance art.

Plumbum

Happy certainly ain’t Gabbs.

Gabbs is very much not hip. And Gabbs thinks everyone lives in a bubble like she does.

Happy displays a laid back easy going personality. Probably has a fun tight knit family.

jsklinelga

The saddest part of all this is that it does not help bring about equity. Irresponsible actions like Mr. Hagen's enflame emotion and cause division.

Racism exist. No doubt. Two weeks ago at the Eastern Shore we bought our bait from a man that flew the Confederate flag and used racial slurs frequently I have a friend that has a lawn jockey and a Confederate flag flying. But for every one of the folks of similar ilk I know hundreds of friends that are not racist. This is 2021 not 1965.

I am quite sure there are racists' among POC.

But the media driven efforts to fan racism is far more harmful than progressive. The byproduct of this is irresponsible, attention seeking actions like Mr. Hagen's

Just curious. Mr. Hagen's rationale for his stop was to protect a black man from the potential abuse at the hands of a white police officer. Have we ever heard Mr. Hagen offer an explanation of what prompted his actions beyond what he sees on the national news? This is Frederick County Maryland. Not a densely populated area of a metropolitan city. Has he ever cited numerous local examples?

Not only Sheriff Jenkins was outraged but also many citizens of this county who found Mr. Hagen's actions offensive and unwarranted.

How they could ever expect this man to be a part of an equity commission is unfathomable.

Well NMP will probably be able to verify this for you-"I am quite sure there are racists' among POC"----so will you take his word since he is a POC? whose word you going to accept JSK?

phydeaux994

Any person of any race that believes their race is superior to another, or others, is a Racist. The key word here is superior, better than another race. That’s all, it’s simple and easy to spot. Disliking someone of a different race doesn’t make you a Racist. POC may dislike White people for discriminating against them, that doesn’t mean they believe they are superior to White people. I’d like for some of the BTT(BullyTagTeam) members to give us their definition of Racism. jsk keeps saying that White people who criticize other White people are Racists. But since you can’t feel superior to people of your own race that is wrong. So what do they think Racism is? If I call you a Racist, it’s not an epithet, it’s a description based on your myriads of words making clear you believe POC are inherently different. So what’s the beef??

jsklinelga

phydeaux

I almost never read or respond to your post. This time I decided to partially but did not get much farther then the first couple of lines. "The key word is superior' Not sure how you invent such thoughts but I thought I would post the definition of racist: "prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group,"

jsklinelga

phy

Did not mean to sound impolite. Just we have such different views it makes little sense to have a dialogue.

phydeaux994

Depends on the Dictionary you use I guess. Here’s 3 different sources.

racist adjective

rac·​ist | \ ˈrā-sist also -shist \

Definition of racist

: of, relating to, or characterized by racism: such as

a: having, reflecting, or fostering the belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

What is racism?

The term ‘racism’ is often poorly understood. The Oxford Dictionary defines it as, "Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior." However, this is a simplified explanation of a complex issue.

Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to physical appearance and can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another.

Using superiority makes it simpler to understand. And yes we do have a difference of opinion jsk, mine makes sense. As you may have noted, others here also question your take on things. But I will remind you, I’ve said it all along, the great divide is all about Race, always has been. Peace.✌️

shiftless88

And how they could ever allow this unhinged man be Sheriff is also unfathomable. But jsk, you are missing one of the key points. I am sure there is racism amongst POC, but in this country the WHITES hold all the power. Who holds the power is the key distinction. And LEOs also have power, which is likely why the issue of racism gets brought to the fore by LEO-citizen interactions. That power gets used.

And lastly, if someone runs a shop with a confederate flag and is using racial slurs WHY DID YOU BUY THINGS THERE??? It is your responsibility as a citizen to not support that crap. That you did not even think of it is an important aspect of the problem. It is up to whites to police whites on this.

Good point I would have walked right out, I mean if the business was clearly displaying their racism i probably would have crossed over the other side of street then left that shopping area. I know I wouldn’t walk in the store? But that’s just me! Did you see the latest Borat movie, it’s on Amazon

NewMarketParent

@jsklinelga

I always find it interesting when people who benefit from white supremacy will almost always downplay racism.

Walk a mile in my shoes and then tell me how racism now is really very minimal.

We never ask for the opinions of criminals on how bad crime is in an area, but we always look for the opinions of people who will never be denied housing based on the color of their skin how bad racism is.

Might as well tell me your views on brain surgery while you are at it. It will be equally enlightening.

gjthuro

Lisa, you said to very well and his actions once again prove that it is very difficult to fix stupid!

gjthuro

Hey Happy....../gab/???? whatcha doing???

pdl603

Spot on LTE! Kai needs to go. Look at the lefties trying to defend the indefensible. It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad and pathetic.

So did you order some orange marmalade from that place in Italy yet? Do they have a website that I can order from?

What are we trying to defend ? I'm not clear on what the indefensible thing is we lefties are trying to defend?

I mean I think I know what indefensible thing you are trying to defend??? i really don't want to jump to the wrong conclusion about someone that likes the finest orange marmalade from Italy?

NewMarketParent

@Polite W. Woman aka PurplePickles aka L&M

It is quite fun to watch PDL literally grasp at straws. It must be his favorite pastime.

NMP

No apparently he likes to buy Orange Marmalade from Italy, he was talking about it yesterday or the day before? Because he was saying Kai was toast and I asked him what he likes on his toast and he said Orange Marmalade and the best stuff is from Italy go figure,,,I think Smucker's tastes just fine but that's just me. So I really have two questions I need answers for,,,? probably won't get an answer to either question...

Plumbum

Stink-Eye-Kye isn’t conducting himself any different than KIRBIE DELAUGHTER

Remember when Kirbie made national news by telling the newspaper to never print his name again? LOL LOL LOL

NewMarketParent

All..

Let me give you the TLDR; version of this article:

I have never experienced aggressive policing before therefore no one else deserves protection from aggressive policing and people committed to protecting the humanity of their fellow citizens should lose their jobs for that act.

I find it hard to believe that anyone over 16 hasn’t experienced aggressive policing? We all have and yet, well I guess it’s okay as long as POC get kneeled to death for 9 minutes?

NewMarketParent

@Polite W. Woman aka PurplePickles aka L&M

That really is the crux of the argument. Isn't it? There are a lot of people who flat out don't believe us even when we have video evidence.

But it isn't that they don't believe us. It is that they don't WANT to believe us. Because if they did and they ran out of ways to rationalize the abuse of others, than they would have to change the structure so that they are sitting at the top. People that would deny reality don't deserve a seat at the table.

This would make a good rap lyric....people that would deny that reality doesn't exist don't deserve a seat at the table..I am gonna to turn those words into a rap..can you feel it? I felt it....

People that would deny reality don't deserve a seat at the table are the same people who want us to deny the reality of racism. If those people at the table can get us to deny racism those people can get us to deny that abuse is abuse...and it seems those people have succeed with those who they have abused into rationalizing there is no reality of abuse? Wow....

needs work my lyric but it's a start?

Oh NMP the other day Happy/gab/???

but I think Happy was trying to rationalize abuse he said the other day as a child his parents didn't spare the rod and he turned out fine, just fine he said, that he was the best person he ever knew and had ever known..so..he was rationalizing being abused as child and that was the problem with the children today was that their parents have spared the rod..i told him we have learned that abuse causes so much trauma in adults that we are sparing the rod..and he said it didn't cause any trauma in him but anyone could clearly see it had.....

NewMarketParent

@Polite W. Woman aka PurplePickles aka L&M

I don't even know how to unpack that whole "spare the rod" bit. What I do know is that Psychologists think that it is a bad idea to spank your kids. I tend to trust what the social sciences say on the matter.

phydeaux994

I was whacked with a belt occasionally when I was a kid, and I spanked our kids, like a swat on the butt, but I forbid our kids to hit their kids. They wouldn’t have anyway because they too sided with the Social Scientists.

public-redux

How would you like it if the police came in while you were conducting your business and told you how to do it?"

I think a lot of us have or are working in fields where government agents can show up unannounced to inspect our work. I know I have.

public-redux

"...requesting that he be removed from the Frederick County Council."

Under which provision of the Charter?

Dwasserba

“Sadly this is not the first time that we have seen him exhibit erratic behavior.” ?? I like examples so I can decide how fair this is to say.

Awteam2021

“ keep us safe”. Would Lisa mine clarify who “ us” is?

A white person being suspicious of a white officer stopping a black driver after observing the black driver didn’t seem to be violating any moving violation , doesn’t seem to be unreasonable to me. The officer never said to Kai “you are interfering”. According to Jenkins, the officer asked Kai several times to move his vehicle so not to block traffic. And the event wouldn’t be “racially bigoted”. Nobody is buying the reverse racism shtick. At best you could argue Kai has a suspicion of white police stopping black drivers.

Frankle1

"How would you like it if the police came in while you were conducting your business and told you how to do it?" 😂😂😂 AS IF COPS DON'T DO THIS!! I've worked lots of places where we've called the cops on unruly violent patrons - yet the cops often came and did a lot of standing around. Worse, they flicked cigarettes all over the place and made the staff uncomfortable. We stopped calling them.

Frankle1

Armed officers shouldn't be pulling anyone over for expired tags. It's an MBA administrative issue which can be handled through the mail. Stop wasting police resources chasing down MVA fees. Stop creating more reasons for armed confrontations with citizens. Police should be focused on solving and preventing violent crime, not being babysitters for the MVA. I really don't care that Hagan stopped to observe police. Police need more observation. There are too many cases of cops stopping people for "expired tags" and a citizen ending up dead. Prevent that interaction in the first place - stop pulling people over for administrative issues!

momof3!

This wasn't expired tags....it was trailer tags on a vehicle. The officers job in that situation is to make sure that car is legitimately owned by the operator. Trailer tags on a car is suspicious. The gentleman was only issued warnings and was sent on his way.

shiftless88

So what you are saying is that of all the things going on at the time, including people whizzing down 15 at 75 mph in a 55 mph, this was the most critical use of this LEO's time? This represented the biggest hazard to our community?

gabrielshorn2013

Shiftless, you still haven't explained why it's OK to have trailer plates on a motor vehicle. That's a huge red flag to a trained officer. Why would someone do that?

Could the car be stolen? Could they be running drugs (BTW, the overdose rate is up over 30% since last year, and the trafficking problem for heroin and Fentanyl is getting worse). Luckily none of these issues were found this time, but valid traffic stops are how many of such crimes are discovered, and then prosecuted. Maybe there was nobody whizzing past on 806 at that time. The act was still illegal.

Awteam2021

Actually he was whizzing up Rte. 806 to his home in Catoctin.

shiftless88

Gabe; I didn't say it was okay. But was that the most dangerous and important thing in this area on this day? As noted, police use discretion all the time. That is why it is always easy to justify pulling over a black guy for having a busted taillight but not bothering when it is an old white lady. It is often just an excuse. Are you telling me that he couldn't have called it in and mailed a ticket?

gabrielshorn2013

Shiftless, it may not have been the most important issue of the day, but officers don't get to sort through every daily encounter they have, and then pursue the most serious at the end of their shift. They take them as they come. Which of these thirteen stops would you have just sent a warning to, and let them skate on their other serious charges, including distribution of Fentanyl and heroin, and murder? Pickles seems afraid to answer. No traffic stop, and these guys walk.

https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/crime_and_justice/cops_and_crime/alleged-gang-member-arrested-for-fentanyl-firearm-violations-in-new-market/article_b7cdb8ab-32f8-5778-ae89-57d890ba2763.html

https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/crime_and_justice/cops_and_crime/crime-briefs-police-make-arrests-in-alleged-shooting-assault-drug-cases/article_24ff4ab5-dd17-54ac-b324-3c9d71c58c92.html

https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/crime_and_justice/deputies-man-two-women-threw-drugs-out-car-window-when-they-were-pulled-over/article_1c8cca74-7def-54b6-b8f5-cd62406e95f7.html

https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/crime_and_justice/sheriffs-deputies-arrest-two-after-drugs-found-during-traffic-stop/article_7455a5d3-3065-5dc5-ba4a-9bfea51f1e50.html

https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/crime_and_justice/cocaine-marijuana-seized-in-traffic-stop-by-sheriffs-deputies/article_585d1390-c2c5-562f-9856-51ed5b3f79ea.html

https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/crime_and_justice/deputies-arrest-man-woman-on-drug-possession-gun-offenses/article_9e15fc7a-7697-5ec5-957c-ef82a6467a69.html

https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/crime_and_justice/frederick-man-blames-acquaintance-after-traffic-stop-leads-to-drug-arrests/article_53a26001-3ead-5e55-bf4a-acf11149ec00.html

https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/crime_and_justice/frederick-men-charged-with-attempting-to-kill-pa-state-troopers-after-vehicle-pursuit/article_6d978145-8b1a-5c51-aa4f-328030006210.html

https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/crime_and_justice/state-police-seize-100-capsules-of-heroin-during-traffic-stop-in-frederick/article_589f31f5-fe3b-53c8-9e4f-15db2d95a370.html

https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/crime_and_justice/woodsboro-man-67-arrested-on-drug-charges/article_f82fff6a-0115-5300-a6ff-d51fac31ebaa.html

https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/crime_and_justice/police-man-arrested-after-striking-deputys-car-during-traffic-stop-in-frederick/article_f02c2170-fdec-5959-adf0-e6b174176f3f.html

https://www.fredericknewspost.com/public/jefferson-man-charged-with-murder-in-death-of-girlfriend/article_4ea713e3-9c85-526e-a309-de78984ea493.html

https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/crime_and_justice/gun-drugs-seized-after-traffic-stop-by-state-police-in-frederick/article_8e5b8870-8245-5ca3-bde8-dbbace249327.html

BTW, I (a mixed race male) have been pulled over for a broken tail light, and it was in fact, broken. Just a loose bulb actually after someone ran into my car the night before in a parking lot. i got a written warning, fixed the bulb, and had a deputy confirm the repair. No big deal. My wife (a white lady, but I dare not say old!) was also pulled over on the Golden Mile and received a written warning for having an expired tag. She forgot to put the sticker on the plate. Again, no big deal, but nonetheless her fault. Her renewed registration and sticker were on the bulletin board in the kitchen, and she forgot about it. She attached it when she got home. It is the same situation for this driver.

shiftless88

What is clear, gabe, is that discretion is used. It is almost certainly used in a biased fashion.

gabrielshorn2013

You didn't answer my questions shiftless.

threecents

I am not condoning what Kai did. Even Kai is not condoning what he did, but I would have thought by now that people would be educated enough to know that racism against black people still exists in America. We can argue the scope of it, but there still is institutional and other forms of racism against black people, and it is an indelible stain on our country, and part of that stain is the refusal of so many - including the sheriff and the letter writer - to learn about it and acknowledge it. How are we going to get rid of it if half the population deny it exists?

C.D.Reid

Let me let you in on something, three; racism has existed since the beginning of history and it's never going to be "gotten rid of." You can dream about a racist free society, a racist free world, all you like, but your dreams will never become reality. Like it or not, that is a fact.

Awteam2021

CD, The objective isn’t to end racism. No one cares who you like. Who cares if you’re racist? That’s facetious .

The objective is to end discriminate based on race. Equal access to goods and services provided to all citizens under the constitution.

Your racism is yours to bare for ever. Just keep it to yourself.

Dwasserba

[thumbup]awteam it’s true, be racist, but just don’t behave accordingly. Learn what’s appropriate to do or say, grit your teeth and soldier through. We’ll all be better off.

threecents

CD, I agree with you.

NewMarketParent

@threecents

Right... we should all just throw our hands up because nothing will ever change. If you have that attitude, you should just go ahead and start digging your grave no.

POC are playing the long game of survival while the racists are playing their long game of fascism. Which side are you on?

threecents

NMP, I think you misread what I wrote. As a minority myself who has actually had family members back two generations who were killed because of their minority status, of course I fight against racism, but I am smart enough to know - as CD said - that racism is part of the human condition.

NewMarketParent

@threecents

I am not naive enough to believe that racism can be destroyed, but this country cannot continue to thrive with it in its current form and condition.

People who cannot work towards a more equitable condition shouldn't get the benefit of political power.

Racism = Bigotry + Power

If you strip out the power, then you have relegated them to the old bigot yelling at clouds.

C.D.Reid

Racism = Bigotry + Power? Would that apply to all the black racists out there too, Snowy?

Awteam2021

Not quite sold that racism is part of the “human condition” but I do think we find ways to separate ourselves against the “others”. Race is just convenient, easily identifiable. As the country becomes less distinguishable by race, I’m sure we will find other ways to divide ourselves into tribes.

threecents

I know that definition of racism is popular, but it is not the definition I grew up with. I don't like it because it assumes racism is not possible without the power advantage. But that is just a semantics disagreement.

gabrielshorn2013

You have hit the nail squarely on the head aw. Humans have always sought to separate themselves from “other”, and race is just one characteristic that allows that to happen. We separate ourselves from other nationalities. How many Irish, Polish, Italian, or Newfie jokes have you told or heard in your lifetime? Southern v. Northern? And that is just North America. We separate ourselves by religion, or lack of it. Case in point is Northern Irish Catholic v. Protestant. Arab v. Jew? How many times have we heard non-believers mock believers on this forum (those who have done this know who they are). We separate ourselves by political party (most of the accusations and name-calling by both major party members are ridiculous and nothing more than tribalism). Yes, we have differences, and that is what diversity is all about…acceptance of others despite our differences. The world would be pretty damned dull if we were all one monolithic population, with the same characteristics and interests.

Awteam2021

Gabe, glad you agree.

There was an experiment by some mishaps that thought they could create a new world. It was made of people from ever walk of life with differing religions, races, values, different heritage and beliefs. They decided to go on with their cockamamie idea and challenge the greatest power at the time and successfully create their on country. It was thought at the time to be impossible . Doomed to fail. Only based on “ We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.-- Not always perfect. Not always living up to their bequest but always moving progressively forward. That country is now the most prosperous, powerful, most diverse, envied nation in the world. The USA.

My nephew (biracial or should I say American?) a week ago arrived back from Afghanistan to see his family in Texas after being deployed for 4 months and 16 days . He feels it was worth it. He’s visiting this weekend.

You can’t miss our house. We are the one with more American flags up then trees. We still find these truths to be self- evident.

NewMarketParent

@CDeez

POC have no real power in this country. We don't control any of the institutions. We have individual power but no collective power. The reason we don't have collective power is the disenfranchisement and denial of access by the people who see themselves as gatekeepers.

I'm sure you know that, but you don't care because you see yourself as a gatekeeper.

NewMarketParent

@threecents

The definition of racism that you subscribe to is really just bigotry.

I can dislike people who don't look like me all I want. I don't have the power to systematically deny those people housing, food, protection under the law, a job.

I really don't have the individual power to make their lives miserable. But you add power to that and it takes on a whole new dynamic.

For example, most of my life I have really avoided salt believing that it was specifically bad for African Americans because we tend to carry high blood pressure.

The truth of it is that many African Americans carry high blood pressure due the extra burdens of living in a world that gaslights the African American experience. But, because our institutions refused to factor that in when looking at the health of this nation's African American population, they are quick to blame that health outcome on the behaviors of the African American population rather than take responsibility for the extra burden of racism on that population. That's where the power works its way in. That power allowed the researchers to purposefully turn a blind eye to the pervasiveness and perniciousness of racism.

threecents

NMP, Again, that is not the definition of racism that I grew up with and not Webster's or Oxford's definition. In fact Phy basically gave their definition early in this discussion when he wrote " Any person of any race that believes their race is superior to another, or others, is a Racist. The key word here is superior, better than another race."

NewMarketParent

@CDeez

We have all observed that you have given up the fight for equality and justice a long time ago and have settled into the "enjoying and propagating my privilege" stage of life.

If you don't want to be part of the solution, fine. Just stop being part of the problem.

Also, as much as you want to be the arbiter of facts. You aren't any good source of them.

C.D.Reid

I've "given up the fight for equality and justice," Snowy? What does that have to do with the realistic approach I have that racism will always be around? You have a hard enough time putting intelligent thoughts out yourself, don't confuse your brain with trying to do other people's talking for them.

MrSniper

There’s nothing wrong with observing the police conduct business. Let it go already.

C.D.Reid

It is illegal to interfere with an officer while he doing his job in the manner that Hagen did. He did not just "observe," he contacted both the officer and the stopped motorist verbally during the course of the traffic stop, detracting the officer from what he was doing. He did something that was both wrong and illegal. What part about that don't you get?

MrSniper

Talking isn’t a crime.

C.D.Reid

No one ever said talking was a crime, Sniper. But the talking Hagen did during the course of the traffic stop was interfering with a law enforcement officer during the performance of his duties, and that is illegal. Do you really not get that, or are you just trying to lead people here on by feigning ignorance? Either way, I'm sure that jerk is reading the comments to these articles, and I'm sure he'll appreciate your vote next year. That'll be one for him.

shiftless88

CD; then why wasn't Kai cited? Do you think this met the legal definition? I do not.

C.D.Reid

Have you not been keeping up with the threads on this matter, shift? Law enforcement officers are allowed certain discretions. Up to and including whether or not they want to bring about charges for a nonviolent crime like what Hagen did. And the officer still has one year and a day to file charges if he so decides to. Have you never heard of someone being stopped for doing 20 + MPH over the speed limit, only to have the stopping officer reduce the charges to 10 MPH over? Hell, look at all the rioting by the left wing anarchists last year. Do you think everyone of them who broke laws was arrested and charged? Quit grasping for straws.

shiftless88

So the officer on the spot made a decision and now everyone is second guessing it?

shiftless88

I remember when Dems discussed discretion regarding enforcement of illegal immigrants in the US by Obama and the right went apoplectic.

Awteam2021

The six amendment to the constitution.

C.D.Reid

"The Sixth Amendment guarantees the rights of criminal defendants, including the right to a public trial without unnecessary delay, the right to a lawyer, the right to an impartial jury, and the right to know who your accusers are and the nature of the charges and evidence against you."

That being clarified, Aw, what does this have to do with the 6th?

Awteam2021

The six amendment allows for the common citizen to bare witness, even of police. The six has been cited in multiple court cases, most recently over filming of police activity.

Eyewitnesses of police activity - the law is crystal clear, “You can peacefully watch, film, observe police on duty as long as you're not interfering with their activities." If the officer though he was being interfered with he should have been more explicit and said so. He directed Kai to move his car out of the roadway not that he was interfering. The officer successfully completed his duties by giving the driver two warning tickets. So, what are you missing?

C.D.Reid

Witnessing police activity does not constitute interfering with an officer while in the performance of his duties, Aw. Which is exactly what that jerk Hagen did.

Awteam2021

CD, sorry you may feel Kai is a jerk but your opinion and Jenkins’ bias doesn’t rise to the level of a criminal offense. Right? If so, why would Jenkins go on WFMD, 10 days after the fact and say he had no other recourse but to go on their station, if he had legal ratification? Followed by another call into WFMD this past Friday , the station more then happy to take the Sheriff’s gossiping call, with more bullying, hearsay and unfounded allegations of Kai’s serial criminality when it comes to “Blacks” in police stops. This was back in October? Is Chuck that incompetent?

NewMarketParent

@CDeez

The good old standby excuse of:

If you don't understand the rules that I just made up on the spot, than I won't try to explain them to you.

You would have starved if you worked at any job where you had to convince someone of anything.

It is pretty clear that you have no rational argument and hence you refuse to even discuss it.

threecents

Sorry CD, but while what Kai did was probably unwise, it does not look to me like Kai interfered with Deputy Jenkins, and I doubt Kai will be issued a citation for interfering with Deputy Jenkins. No harm no foul.

NewMarketParent

@CDeez

When did talking to an officer become interference?

Some people just cannot avoid licking boots.

C.D.Reid

If you still have to ask that, after all the discussion that's gone on about this matter, than you aren't worth the time it would take to explain it to you, Snowy. Try trolling someone else for a change.

gjthuro

Spot-On!

gjthuro

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