Mr. William Bugg in his letter (Capitalism vs. socialism in American government, Sept. 28) describes "a war in our country remaining a capitalistic free enterprise country, or becoming a liberal or socialist country....," and then defines socialism as "a country governed by a government that owns and controls the means of production, determines the distribution of output and determines investment and incomes through high taxes."

That is the definition of communism. The definition of socialism is "a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole, not the government."

Many people believe that communism and socialism are the same. They are not. I would have thought that the editor would have caught this error.

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bosco

Perhaps Fido and the LLBTT would like to tell us about the benefits of living under socialism and how much of their wealth they would be willing to hand over to the government.

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PurplePickles aka L&M

@bosco/Eric Trump

You have to tell us about Cuba,Math and your idea of socialism, you go first!

PurplePickles aka L&M

@bosco/Eric Trump

And also about your time as a Person of color? Then we’ll talk, otherwise go away, let the adults talk and stop interrupting us!

Hayduke2

How about you answer the questions asked below first. Government pension, social security, Medicare- all those things that are based in socialism??

bosco

No, hayduke2, I don't believe those things are based on socialism since one pays into pension plans, social security, and medicare, and then withdraws the benefits later.

BTW, sorry if you mistook my previous posts about my trip to Cuba as bragging, but I did indeed go there and see the results of socialism first hand.

All pigs are equal, just some pigs are more equal than others.

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phydeaux994

Answer the questions bosco. Tell us the TRUTH. You’ve lived under the same Government I have, haven’t you? Hasn’t been too bad has it? Answer the questions.✌️

phydeaux994

I really like these new guys/gals here. NMP, PP, Greg F, and others. They represent the change that has come to Frederick County, and to the thinking of a growing majority of Americans. They join the others here that have changed the FNP Opinion Forum into a group that better reflects the new Frederick County. Just sayin’.

NewMarketParent

@phydeaux994

Why thank you kind sir/madam. That is awful nice of you. *tips hat*

PurplePickles aka L&M

@NMP

For some reason I have that song Burnin Down the House playing in my mind!

PurplePickles aka L&M

@Phy

I remember yesterday when I said these days there wasn’t much to smile about but your comment made me smile, a big smile , so thank you from the bottom of my heart!

NewMarketParent

Thank you letter writer.

William Buggs put together a completely intellectually dishonest letter that he chose to submit to the local paper for publishing. He should know better and does, but doesn't care and believes that simple-minded people agree with him and they do. That doesn't mean that he nor people like him get to make the decisions. Please remember to vote.

bosco

It's splitting hairs whether the means of production and distribution is owned and controlled by the government or by the "collective all of us" (my term). It's still out of the hands of individual entrepreneurs and will stifle freedom and incentive. With the "collective all of us" there would still have be be an organizational structure (government) unless one thinks mob rule will work.

Under the collective, what incentive would a Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk have to do anything other than sit back and wait for their fair share of the collective distribution?

If you want to live under socialism catch try to catch a ride on one of the boats fresh in from for Cuba after the people escaping to the capitalist US no longer need it.

Watch Castro and the Cameraman on Netflix before you pack you bag, though. You may want to take some extra clothes, medical supplies, and food with you.

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2Girls

Bosco,

I'll see your Cuba/Venezuela and raise you a Denmark, Sweden, Finland, or Norway. All of these Democratic Socialist countries out perform the United States in just about every available social metric. I have a question for you: Would you pay a 50% tax rate if you didn't have to pay for health care, child care, or education through college? I won't even go into the sick leave, family leave, vacations, or community well being.

DickD

Some very good questions 2 girl.

threecents

Yah, but Castro.. and Netflix.. and the Borg.

NewMarketParent

You forgot about the Krampus.

rpkrauss

[beam]

bosco

Truthfully, 2Girls, I would rather have control of as much of my own money as possible rather than turn it over to a bloated bureaucracy to dole out programs and services back to me.

In order to really put the pencil to it would require me retrieve and analyze 30 plus years of income and tax records from when I was working, so I'm working with gut instinct and experience.

Both of us stayed in school and didn't rest on minimum wage jobs. We like our doctors and have kept them. We like our private health insurance and want to keep it. We lived below our means and saved/invested. We put two kids through college without any borrowing. Childcare was not an issue as Mrs. Bosco stayed home to raise the kids until school age.

My bottom line is that I would rather trust the Bosco Fund for Better Living to provide for our needs than the government. Name one efficient government-run program.

For those who would rather sit back and let the government take care of them, the alternatives that we both mentioned are available if they want to migrate.

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shiftless88

bosco; how is it possible that you kept your doctor through Obamacare?? I thought that was the tagline of all conservatives; that you couldn't keep your doctor. What people miss, of course, is that even with private insurance you cannot always keep your doctor. And if we moved to universal health care all the doctors would be a part of the program so you likely could keep your doctor anyway.

Greg F

All fine and dandy there B, but you forget when you did all that, there wasn't the same level of competition as now, universities were FAR less expensive as a percentage of income, as was housing, health care and many other "social" aspects that are astronomical now due the rampant capitalistic policies. Bezos got where he is by exploiting capitalism to the expense of diminished competition and stacked rules to his favor, and screwing little sellers as he got bigger. Trump got where he is by screwing everyone using daddy's money. Unbridled capitalism is unsustainable.

bosco

Well, I see an honest answer to 2Girls really brought out the pro-socialist cult in full force today. Eschew personal responsibility and let big government confiscate your wealth with the promise to provide for your needs. After all, the ruling elite must know better how to do so we could ever as free individuals.

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public-redux

bosco, I may be mistaken. I thought you had mentioned earning a CSRS pension. Is that correct?

phydeaux994

Where in the United States do you see pure Socialism bosco?? Who is running for President that is proposing pure Socialism. It’s just another RRR(RadicalRightRepublican) LIE intended to SCARE people away from voting for BIDEN. “Say it enough times and it becomes TRUTH”. LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE. Why do you think that’s what you need to do to ELECT a seriously ill derelict to a second term?? You promote yourself as a responsible citizen that ALWAYS does exactly the RIGHT THING and Trump is so seriously wrong for a UNITED States of America. Explain that to me, I am trying to understand the position of the RRR(RadicalRightRepublicans) but it continues to elude me. Like “as RRR(RadicalRightRepublicans) we stand for ???????”. Is that possible?

Hayduke2

Hey Bosco - don't you get social security and aren't you on Medicare?

awteam2000

My bottom line: Under CSRS - When Postal Service employees retire under the Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS), somebody has to pay for their pensions. Isn’t that socialism? Who’s taking care of you?🤦‍♂️

Hayduke2

Bosco - why won't you answer the questions? Why silent all of a sudden?

shiftless88

bosco; I asked you a reasonable question and made a statement you ignored. If you feel offended like that was an attack or unreasonable then maybe you need to re-evaluate your skin thickness

public-redux

bosco does seem to be developing an unattractive habit of moving the goalposts and running away. Did you see his defense for why it was unavoidable for Trump to take a brief spin in a limo around the hospital Sunday night:

bosco Oct 6, 2020 9:48am

Now, imagine if Obama were to be hospitalized with Covid19. He leaves the hospital in a vehicle, everyone in the vehicle wearing masks, to go for a spin. The headline would probably read "Obama Leaves Hospital To Greet Supporters From The Safety of The Limo" and the MSM would be touting it as a way to show what a great leader and humanitarian he is.

That’s right. It was Obama’s fault that Trump endangered Secret Service agents.

NewMarketParent

@awteam2000

People that want Social Security done away with either:

1. Believe the lies that Social Security is somehow mismanaged (it isn't)

2. Stand to benefit greatly from privatization (they either have invested in the institutions that would benefit from privatization or see themselves as being the benefactors of private gambling with public money)

3. Rubes buying into 1 or 2 because someone told them they would be better off

What few people seem to realize or acknowledge is that they will have zero visibility into a privatized system. They believe that they will get tons of benefits and a more agile system. What they really will get is undocumented theft, concentration of wealth in the management of that money and oopsies that no one will be able to quite pin down resulting in losses of grandma and grandpa's retirement money (think Bernie Madoff on a larger scale).

The only people who pay any serious penalties for theft are poor people or people who steal from the rich.

NewMarketParent

@public-redux

That's because it is impossible to defend the indefensible, so the only possibility is to either move the goal posts or to practice the time-honored Russian tradition of Whataboutism.

threecents

Bosco, At some point you are going to see the light. I can almost see you realizing you are wrong about so many things, but you are loyal to your conservative friends, and I respect that to some extent.

Blueline

Yes, college is free, but probably 60% of the students in US colleges wouldn't get in as you have to pass a series of exams to qualify. Want to major in Art History? Forget that, secondary school steers you to become a plumber or clerk at Motor Vehicles. Most people work, everyone pays taxes. That system works with relatively small numbers of people. Recently with large numbers of migrants to the country, both Denmark & Sweden have had problems. I don't think the citizens in the US could adapt to such a system.

shiftless88

China has a lot of people and they seem to make it work as well as their authoritarian government allows (noting that one can have such a system WITHOUT an authoritarian government, just as one can have a capitalist system WITH an authoritarian government)

NewMarketParent

@Blueline

And your statistics are from madethemupoutofthinairsville?

Hayduke2

NMP - appears to be a favorite source for bluelines posts.

Greg F

The policies that have colleges teaching technical skills are thanks to republicans, who want you to learn a job vs how to think critically. Dumb them down, keep them stupid enough to vote against their better interests because they lack the ability to think outside their little world. Don't go overseas...don't learn culture, every foreigner is an enemy, destroy alliances...that's the current GOP mantra, and especially the trumpist mantra. F the world....'murica first.....(meaning Trump and his family first...even over you) and gawd, gunz and glory to whites of the bible belt....all current republican warped capitalist version theories.

NewMarketParent

@hayduke2

IT'S ALL PROJECTION! with these folks.

threecents

Blue, Junior colleges are what Biden will be supporting, so that training and education fit the local job markets. 4-yr colleges are priced too high and are still rapidly getting more expensive, so at some point the whole 4-year college system has to be revamped to be able to continue - much like healthcare and health insurance.

NewMarketParent

Reek doesn't want an intellectually honest conversation. He prefers to conflate terms so that he can create strawmen to beat on. He, his pal CD and JSK all like to come on here and create socialist/liberal/communist boogiemen that he can scare kids with.

I think I also heard him call us Keyser Söze.

NewMarketParent

@2Girls

Reek wants the benefits of living in a society without any of the burdens.

He likes to drive on roads, but wants the rest of us to pay for them.

He wants his house spared in a fire, but doesn't want to pay the firefighters.

His kids are already educated, so screw public education.

He wants to sit at home and collect his Social Security check get treated with Medicare, but the rest of us (especially the ones he doesn't approve of) shouldn't get such things in life. We don't deserve them because we don't work hard like he did.

Hayduke2

Bosco simply likes to brag that he has been to Cuba and used his money to support the communist party there.

Greg F

or roads, bridges, social security, libraries, universities, schools, airports (and air traffic controllers), fire departments, parks, safety regs, clean air, environmental protections, research and development (much of which is Gov't sponsored), all the things that came about due to NASA (computers, engineering, technologies, internet, flight advances)....all things brought to you by a world that agrees there are some things that are good socialist ideals. Don't like that, stop driving and pretty much go back to the 1800s.

Greg F

Cuba has a dictator....successful social democracies don't. Cuba is closer to communism vs socialism, and Cuba would be better off if relations were re-established, which is something the orange moron will not do, and actively has worked to reverse (again...undoing something 'cause he can't stand that a black president accomplished anything) and they were improving until Donnie Damage acted. B - you're always quick to draw out the "commies are coming" mantra as well...everything's commie to you that isn't capitalist.

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@PurplePickles

Did you ask Reek about his time as a person of color?

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PurplePickles aka L&M

@NMP

No I did not but I would like to hear about that time as well? It should be an interesting story..LOL

See I never once thought of Bosco as POC, his words do not personify how a POC, which is probably why I keep forgetting to ask Reek about his time as a POC...

Do you remember a commenter by the name of Frederick Veteran? Now I really enjoyed his posts and he did personify a POC...

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bosco

Ok, PP, I just usually scroll past your postings however this caught my eye :

"See I never once thought of Bosco as POC, his words do not personify how a POC, which is probably why I keep forgetting to ask"

Tell me, what words should a person of color be using here to signify that he/she is a person of color? Why is someone's race or complexion so important to you when the FNP forum is a great equalizer for all? Why is so hard for you to accept that a person of color can be a Conservative?

Methinks you are showing your own prejudices and stereotypes.

Don't forget to tell me what words I should be using here!

Or maybe not since I'll go back to ignoring you anyway.

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