Several presidential candidates want to send as many as 11 million people who are here illegally back to the countries they came from, including children who have never seen the countries we would be sending them to. This would be the 21st-century Trail of Tears.

We all encounter immigrants, legal and illegal, every day. Think of the lady behind the counter at Burger King or Subway. If you are a regular customer, you have spoken to her any number of times. Ask yourself if you really want to rip her and her children out of the community, and send her home. Is that really what we want to do? Is that the kind of people we have become?

Jeff Wilson

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Jeff Wilson

I'm the author of the letter that got all of this started. I tried to get the reader to think about real people, people you see every day. I wanted to make the conversation about people, not abstractions or stereotypes. Practically every immigrant you encounter is here for the same reasons our ancestors came here: to earn a better life for themselves and their children. If someone commits a crime, you jail them or deport them. If they are peaceful and productive members of the community, they should be allowed to stay. It would do us a lot of harm to try to track them down and send them home. One final point, unless you are a full-blooded American Indian, your ancestors stole the country we now call "ours".

johnqFrederick

Shallow -- who stole from whom? your lack of thought dictates that each country around the world is occupied by thieves!

des21

Given the number of gang members in MoCo it'd likely be a bloodbath too.

ClareS

I have ZERO pity for illegals. They knew they were coming here illegally and that they could face deportation if discovered. As to any children brought here by illegals, their parents are responsible for their predicament not us. It's time to stop pandering to Latinos, many of whom also oppose illegal immigration. That said, I have ZERO problem with legal immigration. If you want to join this country come in through the front door, and we will welcome you.

bosco

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lilman44

Get rid of them all

pragmatic one

I expect people to obey our laws. I expect people not to break into our country (home) and then demand to stay. I expect people to not benefit from their crimes. So yes, send them back ton their home country.

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bosco

I still say say make it ILLEGAL to hire ILLEGALS and it will solve our immigration problems.

DickD

Absolutely right, take away the money and you will not have illegal immigration.

bosco

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ClareS

It is illegal isn't it? It's just not enforced.

brannach

The Arizona Legal Workers Act took effect in that state in 2008. Nearly eight years on, it's still the empty threat it always was.

olefool

I believe it's already illegal. But the laws do not apply to the "makers", at least in their opinion.

herbie

Well so far not one liberal has beeen able to name a country where ILLEGALS are allowed to stay AND get welfare handouts from the government.

One liberal asked for proof ILLEGALS stroll across the border like they are walking onto an elevator. Seems he (and many on the left have) forgotten about all the formally DEPORTED ILLEGALS whocome back into the US and murder US citizens. Some have come back as many as FIVE TIMES

AS far as ILLEGALS registered to vote when they get their DL - look at CA. It is a fact ILLEGALS are getting registered to vote (and in SF they are encourged to vote)

BlueDawn666

Herbie did you know that in CA. whites are now outnumbered. I would guess by "illegals"? But anyway you are now becoming a minority and I find your anger rather funny and misplaced but whatever floats your boat because you may find yourself on a boat floated out of here if you don't change your attitude. They should vote and I hope they vote in record numbers to vote people like you down and silence your voice of hate. They will silence the haters....could that be what you are truly afraid of, that your voice will no longer matter?

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BlueDawn666

what is my political agenda again? I seemed to have forgotten?

vicdavy

[thumbup]Blue!

olefool

Herbie's apparently not watching the news lately, sad.

DickD

Politics calls for politicians to make promises they will never be able to deliver. The U.S. cannot find all 11 million illegal immigrant, let alone deport them. Building a fence along the border will never happen, to costly and that is not where most of the illegal immigrants are coming from. Many are just overstaying visas, coming to this country on a passport or going to school here and never returning home. Time to be realistic and cut out the political drama being created by the Republicans.

bmclearen

Well spoken. The major concern I have is that so many of our citizens seem to think that Trump would make a good President. Carnival Barker yes, but President NO. Can you imagine him speaking to Putin the way he speaks to us. .

Blueline

The problem is that since we elected the unqualified and over-matched B. Obama to the office (twice), everyone now thinks that they are both qualified to be President, and likely to be elected.

DanileH

Oh Yes Hillary is so much more honest than Trump.

DickD

Does anyone beyond the 30% hate group really believe Donald Trump will win? What would happen if Trump was president and met with Putin; I don't know what Putin would do, just what I might do. Personally, I don't believe Trump is a legitimate Republican, he is just running to louse up the Republicans and is doing a good job of it. He is into entertaining and is very good at it, if you watch Saturday night Live, you know he is very aware of what he is saying, doing and how people will react to it. He is having the time of his life. Most likely he never expected to be the front runner, now he is and just might become a legitimate candidate, but what would we get and do we want it? I don't.

des21

Well, until a few years ago he was a Democrat and a huge Clinton supporter. There's some who believe he's doing this just to muck things up for the GOP so Hillary wins. Its not beyond the realm of the possible. The 3 of them are tight.

BlueDawn666

Yep..and thank you for the truth and not fear mongering. Speak a Little Truth and People Lose Their Minds. The base the Republicans are pandering to are a bunch of sissy pants fraidy cats-who fail to see who they should be afraid of and it is not undocumented immigrants

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BlueDawn666

Why are you afraid of ISIS..when we have plenty of our very own home grown terrorist's? Why aren't you afraid of them? Also ISIS is already here, you must be daft to not know that. OMG look who I am talking to..you are daft.

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herbie

OK Blue, what "domestic terrror" groups are here in the US that are taking down jets, beheading people. buring them alive in cages, destroying Christian Churches, and waging war across the area the size of the East Coast?


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BlueDawn666

Pretty much Herbie..where have you been? You think we are safe here? Just because we don't label these white-Christians as terrorist's doesn't mean they aren't. There are different degrees of terrorist tactics..but terrorism is terrorism. The NRA is a prime example. people who bomb abortion clinics, shoot abortion doctors, protest at abortion clinics..THEY ARE TERRORISTS. I realize you are daft but are you really that daft..looks like it.

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herbie

Gee Blue I had no idea they were as organized and in such HUGE numbers as ISIS. Botom line is you are on the ropes, reduced to spewing insults, and are desperate to change the subject.

I do not blame you as you are alot like Obama. You have more hate and contempt for people like me who disagree with Obama's polices then ISIS

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Nicki

Herbie-- re: "... organized and in such HUGE numbers as ISIS"
Where does Blue refer to huge numbers?
Timothy McVeigh killed 168. What should we do with our very own white supremecists that continue to kill and burn churches?

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herbie

Nicki, she was comaring these unnamed "domestc terror groups" to ISIS. I asked a logical follow up question. As far as Tim McVeigh last I checked he was a loner and not part of a terror group.

Libs - like Obama - do not want to admit we are at war. Do not want to admit Obama polices have failed. And as Obama snapped at his presser yesterday "he does not have time" to deal with ISIS

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Blueline

Nicki - your comparison is faulty. McVeigh was a loner who was targeting the Federal Gov't in revenge for Waco. As horrible as he was, he acted once, and it occurred 20 years ago. ISIS is an organized, funded group who target masses of innocent people based on a religious or ethnic basis.

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BlueDawn666

A terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist, stop trying to avoid the issue, also stop trying to paint "illegals" as the bad guys when we have plenty of "legals" that are just as much a terrorist. How about you show some compassion to the families of abortion doctors that will have empty chairs at their tables because of terrorism committed by a legal citizen? How about all the families that will have an empty chair because their loved ones have been killed by gun violence. I am way more afraid of the "legal" citizens with guns than I am of "illegals"..really who poses more of a threat to my well-being right now?

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Nicki

Herbie/Blueline -- not saying McVeigh was part of a terrorist group-- just meant that Bluedawn's comment has merit.
How do we screen for our own that kill in schools, churches, movie theaters, etc. Much ado about the bad illegals but they also are legal.

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Dwasserba

The way I read this letter is to say that no one can tell at a glance who is here illegally, and too many times the scowls and passive aggressive comments are directed at citizens. Those of us who raised children to adulthood who are told to "go home" when they get there, fear legal citizens with chips on their shoulders. My daughter was asked where she's "from" many times and each time said "Frederick." It was all she knew. No one should have to defend their citizenship on a daily basis. When we're old and way outnumbered, maybe they'll deport us all to where the white folks are. Some of us will deserve it.

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phydeaux994

Every Administration for the last 60 years has looked the other way when it comes to illegal aliens. Just think what the United States would do without them. No food, no construction, no hospitality industry, no small contractors, overgrown yards, and a failed economy. They don't want to live here, they just want to work here and we have the jobs they want. They send their money back home to support their families. There seems to be a mutual need for the workers and the employers. If the Government wanted to, they would crack down on the illegal employers and all 11 million illegal workers would go home. No wall needed, no money spent on policing the border except for the drug trade. DO NOT HIRE THEM, THEY WILL LEAVE!! If that"s what you want. That would be stupid.The Government will stick with the status quo until the Republicans decide they want immigration reform.

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herbie

Right PH. they do not have to work. Many of them are getting the usual freebies form "compassionate" liberals, and others are making their money via crime.

Obama has made it clear, the Dems see ILLEGALS as the great untapped votong block and they are willing to spend as much taxpayer money as needed to lock that vote up

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BlueDawn666

Yeah well HOW MANY, gives us some numbers since you seem to know that the "illegals" are so awful and doing all this horrible stuff. I am more afraid of white-people than I am of "illegals". The percentage of prison populations do not bear out your assertions Herbie. Also I wonder how much free stuff you have partook of. Herbie? Look how much free stuff Ben Carson and Ted Cruz have partook off and most Republicans have partook of a fair share of free stuff, why aren't you complaining about them? You are such a hypocrite

jerseygrl42

Control the borders, get rid of the tens of thousands of felons ob has released into the countryside the past year and then deal with the remainder....and remember GAO says 3 million crimes committed annually my these so-called innocents against American citizens.....Kate Steinlee was just one of many who died because this pres. refuses to do his job....he is disgusting

timothygaydos

When a terrorist act happens in the USA similar to Paris/France; see how quickly all US citizens will want action regardless of political leanings even liberals. yes there will be a few liberals that will want to bury their heads in the sand and say all is well. Remember ISIS is contained, they are the JV team, and we have them on the run. Reality is they have not gone any where they continue to grow and come into all western countries including ours. Sleeper cells are just what they are "sleeping" until given the go ahead to inflict pain and damage including death to innocent folks. Illegals are illegal and yes there are so productive ones but in reality they have taken way too much $$$ from others that are legal citizens of this country and it is having a negative impact now on healthcare, education, etc.

dtwigg

The United States ILLEGALLY stole Texas, New Mexico, and California from Mexico in 1845. Now we complain when they return to their own country?

timothygaydos

Last time that I reviewed history about Texas - Mexico went to war with the Republic of Texas and got beat fair and square by Sam Houston and friends. Then the Republic decided to join the USA as a state. An once again, Mexico decided to fight the war with us and lost again thus giving up more real estate in the settlement of the war. As far as New Mexico and California - what utter nonsense same with Arizona. Some of the land was purchased legally from the recognized government of Mexico as well as lost during the Mexican War with the US. Furthermore, all the lands of the southwest no one really wanted until settlers from the USA and some from Mexico started to work the land into a paradise with irrigation. Even the American Indians (Pueblo, Apache, Comanche, Utes, etc...) could make a claim for these lands before Mexico could ever make a claim considering Spain made territorial claims prior to there even being a Mexico. So please do not tell me they are returning to their own country when in fact the Indians have a better claim to this being their homeland before any Mexican does. Remember the Alamo!

public-redux

Not quite accurate. The place known as Texas today belonged to Mexico. Mexico failed to control its borders. Lots of immigrants (possibly illegal, I don't know what Mexican law was at the time) from the US entered the land. The immigrants failed to assimilate. They didn't learn the local language. They tended to ignore the laws of the land and eventually, aided by insurgents from the US, staged an insurrection against the lawful government. The Republic of Texas was the result of that civil war.

I generally agree with the balance of your comments,

timothygaydos

The immigrants from the USA were invited by Santa Anna to help settle the area of TX and help with the control of the Comanche Indians. Yes there was a revolution in TX when Santa Anna demanded more from that area even the Mexican folks did not want Santa Anna and his dictatorship thus the Republic of TX was born and eventually became a state in the Union 1845. As I said earlier all the lands that these illegals from mexico are trying to get back once belong to many indian tribes that constantly battling over those lands. Thanks for providing me with some additional insight - history is a wonderful topic that offers great enjoyment.

Blueline

Texas became an independent country prior to joining the U.S. As for the areas you mention, I bet anyone legal or otherwise living there is grateful that it is part of the U.S. and not part of Mexico, so it's safe to say it worked out for the best.

DickD

Nope, U.S. did not steal Texas. Mexico encouraged settlement and many gringos did that. Then the gringos became unhappy with Mexico and went to war with Mexico - and won. So, they became a new country and then requested admission to the U.S. The U.S. stole nothing from Mexico.

bjonesskins69

Possibly THE dumbest remark I read today. On the entire world wide web. No easy feat.

des21

Which one? So many to choose from but Dick's point can't be it.

vicdavy

[thumbup]DAve!

johnqFrederick

The lte writer is creating a strawman argument

The next president will have illegal aliens register, pay a fee to work and live in the usa, and then go to the back of the line and wait their turn for citizenship

Only the criminal illegal aliens will be deported

Is crossing the border illegally a crime?

threecents

Good LTE. Truth.

BlueDawn666

Great letter Jeff and I agree with you I feel the same way.

To the others if you are so AFRAID of the "illegals" then how about you boycott them? Yes that is right, the next time you are served by a non-white person refuse the service until you are served by a "legal" citizen. Make sure they can prove that they are "legal" then allow them to serve you. Next time you go to the grocery store ask the store who picked your produce and refuse to buy it if they cannot guarantee that someone "legal" picked it. Don't buy any product until you know that only a "legal" citizen touched it. Don't buy any product that isn't made in the USA and touched only by "legal hands". Demand your rights, to only be served by "legal" citizens..see how far that gets you.
Next time you call someone place make sure you ask the person that is helping you if they are "legal" citizen if not and they can't prove it then refuse to talk to them until they have a "legal" citizen help you.
Next time you need some lawn work done or your house cleaned make sure all the employees are "legal" citizens, don't use them until they can prove they are "legal" citizens.

Have the United States stop issuing student and work Visa's, most "illegals" 40% fly into the US and decide to stay. So let's stop them from coming in in the first place, now I grant you we would probably fall apart because there are not enough qualified Americans to do the jobs that companies need, which is why they look outside the US for qualified people. Could be we don't see fit to invest in quality education here in the US. So if you think that by getting rid of the"illegals" will free up jobs for "legal" Americans think again. Odds are there are not enough qualified Americans to do the jobs the "qualified illegals" are doing. So yeah let's just deport them all and, I will go with of course, because once they are gone this whole place is going to fall apart.

herbie

Wow Blue you have such bigoted opinions on the jobs ILLEGALS do in America. You remind me of many elected Dems you sneer how without illegals who will clean your hotel rooms?

Meanwhile libs like you ignore eleced Dems ignoring existing immigration law and shield ILLEGALS in their cities while they commit crimes including murder

The attacks in Paris show ISIS can and does mix in with those flowing acros the border but I am sure that means little to someone like you who is only interested in getting the ILLEGALS in the country, and registered to vote/. then bribing them with taxpayer money to secure their vote on Election Day

And under Obama the country is falling aprat along with the rest of the world as our Part Time President tours the world reminding people how great he is and how flawless his policies are

BlueDawn666

Should I have said doctors, surgeons, engineers, as well, are all jobs that are done by undocumented immigrants..is that better?

herbie

That is up to you. I am happy to see liberals not try to mask their bigoted beleifs about illegals. After all, all illegals are you most on the left are more people they can shakle into a cycle of dependency thus having their vote for life

In CA elected Dems have taklen the next step and actully put 2 ILLEGALS on the local bord that makes laws they legal citizens have to obey. And when people spoke up they were told to sit down and shut up - and one was tossed from the hearing

DeDeuceCoupe32

Why are there no illegals working in the public sector? You believe the public sector is a well oil machined machine don't you? If we introduced illegals into the public sector, how many years before a majority are in place? Whats fair for the private sector is fair for the public sector, right?
The Fed. Gov. put private sector employees behind the eight ball yet your compassion lies with illegals. Why?

bosco

Let them self-deport. Impose big, big fines and/or prison time for ANY employer who hires anyone who is not here legally. That would free up lots of jobs for our citizens who can't seem to be able to find one - thus solving the high unemployment rate among certain demographics.

Seems simple to me.

awteam2000

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DeDeuceCoupe32

Better yet if 11 million illegals want legal status, they must work in the public sector. By the logic of illegal supporters it should cut the cost in government spending.

vicdavy

Thanks Jeff!

timothygaydos

Yes, would be a sad day to send home illegals that are honorable, hard-working, and have a new found love for our country - unfortunately there are too many that are criminal or one could say they all broke the law to come into the country which is quite the point. These illegals take away from the middle class and the lower class groups; and then you have these idiots on college campuses wanting more entitlements when they have a good life. Reality is - can never deport all 11 million because just a little daunting task and our government has not been good at daunting tasks lately. At least let us deport the criminals and ones that have no real desire to become USA citizens and embrace OUR culture and not their own. It is starting to deprive our children and citizens in general of the benefits we are paying taxes for in this country etc.

jwhamann

Don't insult immigrants by saying that they all work behind the counter at Burger King or Subway.

vicdavy

Why are you insulting people who work at Burger King, Subway or any Fast Food restaurant?

herbie

Jeff a couple of questions.

First can you name me another country that allows those found to be in the country illegally to stay in that country? Do you have any idea what Mexico does to those found to be in their country illegally?

Second, what about the crimes the ILLEGALS commit? what about those families who lose a loved one to the criminal actions of the ILLEGAL? All of the rapes, assaults, robberies they commit? In Chicago most of the shooting are done by ILLEGALS.

Third, the cost of ILLEGALS is soaring. Yes, they do get welfare, food stamps, their kids are educated in public schools. I see protests of ILLEGALS demanding MORE freebies

We do have a secure border. Everyday ILLEGALS still across the border like they are getting on an elevator

But the real reason the left wants more ILLEGALS in the country is so they can secure their vote. Liberals support giving ILLEGALS the right to a drivers license. Of course when you go to the DMV and get the license you also register to vote.)Remember Motor Voter)

And I know of no state that checks to see if the person getting the license is a legal US citizen. If any state did, the left would scream "racial profiling"

So there is a method to the lefts madness

olefool

"In Chicago most of the shooting are done by ILLEGALS." - - Prove it!
"Everyday ILLEGALS still across the border like they are getting on an elevator" - - Prove it !!
"Of course when you go to the DMV and get the license you also register to vote.)Remember Motor Voter)" - - Prove it !!
"And I know of no state that checks to see if the person getting the license is a legal US citizen" - - Prove it!!

Please, no right wing talking head regurgitations but verifiable actual proof that your statements are true in every respect..... We'll understand if you cannot get your head unplugged...

Nicki

[thumbup] Olefool -- the usual factless rants by Herb.
FACT: A friend of mine just applied for MD driver's license and had to provide a copy of her birth certificate.

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