I have a thought after reading the letter from Steve Hough that was printed in the News-Post on Thursday, Nov. 12. In his letter, he states, “Our election system has worked in the past, and there’s no reason to believe it did not work this time.”

But I guess our election system did not work in 2016; how else do we explain the fact that Democrats spent the entire four years since November 8, 2016, challenging the legitimacy of that election. Yes, our election system works very well, as long as the Democrat is declared the winner.

John Ziegler

Hagerstown

(35) comments

Piedmontgardener

Voted for Hogan twice and most Republican Presidential candidates in my lifetime. The destruction to the rule of law and shredding of public norms by Trump and the endorsement of it by the Republican Party has led me to conclude that I will not cast a vote for a Republican candidate of any type until the national party cuts this cancer out. But it won't. And that's why Biden is the new President.

Greg F

Trump is really going all out in his efforts while shirking all, ALL of his real duties. Disgraceful and even worse that the wimps in GOP house and senate stand by and do nothing. Evil wins when good men do nothing. Trump is evil incarnate. https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/19/politics/gop-michigan-results-trump/index.html

public-redux

25A! 25A! 25A!

shiftless88

John; you are mixing apples and oranges. The legitimacy of the votes cast in 2016 were not questioned, but rather the illegal help of the Trump campaign was allegedly receiving from foreign countries. Plus the similar issues in 2020 of foreign actors spreading disinformation and sowing chaos in general within the US electorate.

awteam2000

Malarkey! You may want to get the antenna fixed on your roof, Ziegler. The Republican Party is the ‘poster child’ for double standards.

Mitchell McConnell blocked the hearings for Justice Garland to be confirmed to the Supreme Court on the bases - it was to close to the National election, let the people speak in through the presidential election (Garland’s nomination was held up for 293 days). Then Mitch did a 180 to accelerate the confirmation Justice Barrett (in 30 days) before the election.

NewMarketParent

@awteam2000

45 was the endgame. A lot of this has been about regulatory and judicial capture. We will watch the ugliness of this play out over the next generation.

Frankle1

46 had four years of all the rights and privilege's of the presidency. Dems had legitimate concerns of Russian interference in our 2016 election. These concerns were proven by bi-partisan committees in congress. I do see a double standard though, if Clinton had refused to concede, both parties would be after her head. Time for trump & supporters to face facts- this election will be certified for Biden. "Suck it up buttercup" (I heard that a lot the last four years from you trump enablers)

Dwasserba

"...Democrats spent the entire four years since November 8, 2016, challenging the legitimacy of that election." Huh. "Challenging," you say? And here I thought, they just didn't like the results. And no one could make them like the results. And that that was sorta familiar from other election experiences we've had. And I'm thinking it is happening again. Oh. My. Those Democrats. Pesky rascals.

awteam2000

Really? Hillary conceded the day after the election. Obama invited Trump to the White House the next day. The transition process for the President Elect Trump started the same day. The turmoils for Trump have all been caused by Trump, all his lies and conspiracies that his cult sucks up. From ‘birtherism’ to mass voting fraud.

He will standout as the only president to ever lose the popular vote TWICE!

FrederickFan

I was going to write this exact same thing. Hillary conceded right away, having lost by the same exact electoral amount as Trump did this time, even though she won the popular vote by millions.

I am a Democrat primarily because I cannot tolerate the constant lies being told by everyone in Republican leadership. It is disgusting to me. The Republicans refusal to admit defeat is putting our Democracy in danger.

NewMarketParent

@FrederickFan

The gaslighting is the worst.

Burgessdr

The Democrats did not challenge the 2016 election. They were opposed to the P grabbing vile big baby bully misognist bigoted president.

pdl603

Yes, Mr. Ziegler you stated the case very well. Remember, if it weren’t for double standards the democrats would have standard at all.

awteam2000

Spoken like a ‘sore loser’ who said Trump would win in a landslide. You were right about the landslide but it fell on Trump 😂. Lost by 6 million votes.

pdl603

Once again your lack of understanding of how our system works is mind boggling. Then again since you are a democrat I understand your inability to comprehend the most basic of facts. You must have been absent in grade school when the electoral college was discussed during civics class. I know your are 233 years old, so you no excuse not to know the popular vote means squat. Finally, I bet that there were some 233 year old democrat voters who this year.

NewMarketParent

@PDL

Please take your basket of deplorables elsewhere.

If you got proof of IRREGULARITIES, put up or shut up. So far all I have seen is shut up worthy.

phydeaux994

Explain how the Electoral College is better than the popular vote for electing just the President and Veep piddle. And why does the popular vote mean squat only in electing the President and Veep. And explain to us why the 3/5 Compromise was written into the Constitution. I must have been absent that day in grade school myself. Of course you won’t be able to do that will you piddle?? 😂🤣😷

awteam2000

Pdl603 is a sore loser and has no respect for his elders 🧓🏻.

But speaking of civics: As of right now, Biden has won the electoral college by 306 votes to 232, and is winning the popular vote by 5.9 million. That's more then the combined populations of Wyoming, Alaska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, and Idaho.

Those States combine have less then 5.9 million citizens and account for 12 Republican Senators. In comparison the 6 most populous states have 135 million citizens , with the same number of 12 Senators. CA and NY alone have 59 million people and only 4 Senators. What’s wrong with the picture? ‘Trump Republicans‘ represent cows 🐮.

Moo...pdl

NewMarketParent

@awteam2000

7 million is in the crosshairs.

Hayduke2

pdl need to continually rub a salve on those wounds he self inflicted by denying facts and refusing to acknowledge factual informaton. Bought into the build the wall, the fake news, deep state conspiracies, QAnon, socialist nonsense, and now the stolen election. Hard to keep it up but even harder to admit being incorrect.

NewMarketParent

Am I alone in thinking that Republicans have shed and lost all sense of integrity and responsibility?

This revisionist history thing really makes me sick to my stomach.

public-redux

We NeverTrumpers are not to blame.

NewMarketParent

Dear John,

Please pound sand.

William Smith

The writer's premise is entirely incorrect. The legitimacy of the 2016 election was never in question. The honor, integrity, honesty, capability, and qualifications of the person elected in 2016 have always been in question.

Greg F

Nobody I know spent four years challenging the election. I remember 8 years of racist banter and stonewalling when Obama was in. I recall a certain orange man working diligently to eliminate anything the black president did, just because..and also because he's a rabid racist goon...I remember 4 years of that. I remember 2+ weeks of insanity where that same certain orange man is now practicing scorched earth in firing so many people (granted, who may have left AFTER a transition) just because they disagreed with his lunatic hallucinations that he somehow won. I remember multiple court cases getting summarily dismissed in that regard with more frivolous ones to be done the same soon. I remember 4 years of absolute hate toward anyone not white...except maybe for the tokens he had around him to attempt to appease the masses. I remember four years of hiring completely unqualified cabinet members with direct conflicts of interests as former lobbyists and CEOs of competing companies to their agencies and interests. I remember multiple cabinet and associate members of the orange man getting convicted, and some pardoned for their favors they did. I remember four years of failure to dismiss KKK and Nazi party backing, and those parties showing up in force at rallies waiving their flags. I remember kids in cages that likely can't even remember their parents now...if they can be found. I remember taxes that were sworn to be produced, but weren't...and really...an audit won't prevent that. I remember tax fraud allegations, child rape charges, rape and sexual assault charges that will be waiting for an orange man once he exits (likely by force). I remember the 1000's of fraud cases against that same orange man for non-payment for services to contractors and small business owners and employees. I remember emoluments violations. I remember impeachment charges that still will carry some weight once he exits, and charges pending in NY. I don't remember ever seeing a health care plan that was always just a day or two away from being shown. I remember denial of masks on day, not the next and again the next, and an active mannerism that has allowed the virus to go uncontrolled. Yep...those are the things I remember. Challenging an election? Nope...

Just Wondering

Amen!

Greg F

I also remember Lindsay Graham solomnly swearing he'd never vote to push on a SCOTUS nominee so close to election, only to backtrack. Not long ago, he literally said how to be a true American was to "tell Donald Trump to go to hell" and once again a day or so later flop over like a dead fish to be his right wing henchman and lapdog spouting nonsense continually....if you don't believe it, check his facebook page. There is not one shred of decency in DJT or Graham.

gary4books

So Democrats have "spent the entire four years since November 8, 2016, challenging the legitimacy of that election." And I do not remember challenging certification or going to court as we see now. I suggest that we have challenged the performance of the POTUS, not the election. Bob Woodward writes Trump is clearly “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.” An election gives a person a job to do. Impeachment is about how well they perform.

public-redux

I’m a Republican and I don’t know what he is talking about. The most prominent proponent over the last 4 years of a fraudulent 2016 election has been President Trump.

pdl603

If you voted for Bidenz, then you are not a Republican so please stop the charade.

public-redux

Is that like “if you don’t vote for me you aren’t black”? Shame on you for behaving like Biden.

Hayduke2

If you voted for Trump, then you are not a Republican so please stop the charade. One could also make this argument.

NewMarketParent

@PDL

Please learn what logical fallacies are so that you can "No True Scotsman" your way out of here.

phydeaux994

piddle, I’m a Republican, have been since I registered in 1961, 59 years ago, the day after I turned 21. Probably longer than you. But you’re a Gingrich/Trump Republican, the real RINO’s, nothing like the pre-1994 Real Republicans who were Honorable people who cared about serving the Americans that Elected them.

Greg F

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/19/politics/gop-michigan-results-trump/index.html Shut up pee stain. Your guy is a flat out crook.

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