It was 180 days ago that the COVID-19 pandemic hit the United States. Almost 79 years ago, we faced another crisis.

On Dec. 7, 1941, our battleship fleet was attacked and destroyed at Pearl Harbor and we were suddenly in World War II. President Roosevelt immediately mobilized our economy. Auto makers were ordered to stop making cars. Five months after Pearl Harbor, Ford’s Willow Run plant was building B-24 Liberator Bombers at a rate of one per hour.

General Motors plants were building naval aircraft and M4 Sherman tanks. Chrysler was manufacturing tanks, B-26 and B-29 aircraft engines. Liberty ships were being built in less than two weeks from the time the keels were laid. Millions of young Americans were inducted, trained and eventually became the “Greatest Generation.”

In 180 days, the U.S., using comparatively primitive manufacturing techniques, without computers, completely transformed its industrial base and was producing huge quantities of weapons and munitions required to win the war.

Compare that to our present situation. One-hundred eighty days after the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic, in the richest, most technically advanced country in the world, more than 150,000 Americans are dead and there is still no coordinated national plan to protect our citizens.

Critical items needed for this fight are missing or in short supply. After 180 days, there is still a shortage of N-95 masks, which cost pennies to make. Quick-result COVID-19 test kits are not widely available. Shortages of PPE are widespread. There is no national plan or support for contact tracing. The technical difficulty in making masks or test kits is trivial compared to that of producing B-24 Bombers and Sherman tanks. If one compares our response to COVID-19, with President Roosevelt’s leadership after Pearl Harbor, it is clear that we have failed miserably. The Greatest Generation would be appalled.

Bob Lewis

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Burgessdr

The lack of an effective response to COVID is yet another example of why America is not great. Actually downright incompetent. Boobs electing and continuing to support a boob.

gabrielshorn2013

Does that also include the books that won't pay attention to four simple directions don. 1) avoid crowds. 2) stay apart 3) wear a mask 4) wash your hands. Get careless, get infected.

MRS M

Sure, gabriel, it applies to and includes all those boobs, who heard donald call the growing threat of a pandemic "a (democratic) hoax", and chose to follow his ignorant and dangerous lead....starting waaaay back in February. Add to that those boobs who believed "it will gone by Easter"; those who listened when he said "it will be gone with the onset of summer heat". Then include those boobs who invite people to party in their states through the spring and summer (boob ron duh santis), and those 250,000 boobs attending their motorcycle rally in South Dakota this week, "brave patriots" who can then return to their homes and infect/re-infect their familes, neighbors and friends,. "The brave" just gotta party and fight for their "personal liberties". Add to this those boobs who are just just dying to send their children back to school, because donald believes it safe, even though the CDC has revised/changed/stepped down it's guidelines in service to donald's greater cause: to get re-elected. There's no end to the idiocy, is there? .....or the wish to follow the public health guidelines that even a simpleton might understand and implement, as you stated. Why? Because donald and others have decided to politicize science, medical knowlege, public health, and the truth about this spread of this virus, costing 160,000+ American lives, and now willing to put America's children at risk. Go figure, huh?

gabrielshorn2013

So Mme. M. I did not ascribe any politics to my response (it was neutral), but you chose to attribute “boobishness” to only those on the right. There are plenty of “boobs” to go around, including Democratic NYC Mayor Bill “We’ll tell you the second we think you should change your behavior” DeBlasio, who, while an outbreak was raging in the NYC suburb of New Rochelle, urged New Yorkers to not let that upset their everyday lives, encouraging visitors and workers to come into the City…using mass transit…infecting 426,000 people in the NY area, killing 32,361, and accounting for over 20% of the deaths to date. (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-response-delays.html). Is that the kind of “boobs” you meant? There are also other’s that deserve their own “boobs” award due to their hubris, but one glaring example is enough. Yes, I agree that the others are idiots also, including DJT, but let’s share the wealth, huh? All people need to do to avoid infection is 1) avoid crowds, 2) practice distancing, 3) wear a mask, and 4) wash your hands, yet so many are in denial, whether their politics are right or left, that they will not follow such simple rules, and the disease keeps spreading in red and blue states. Get careless, get infected. The rules are all over TV and the radio, as well as on the overhead signs on the highways. You can’t NOT hear the message. Am I safe to assume that you are intelligent enough and believe in personal responsibility to follow the four simple rules, Mme. M, and not get yourself infected?

phydeaux994

Yes, there are a few boobs on the LEFT, but they’re not the WHOLE LEFT.....!!!!??

gabrielshorn2013

Oh, absolutely agree phy. Neither is it the whole right side. Each side has "boobs", and neither side has a corner on the market for them. A commenter used the old chestnut about when you point one finger, there are three more pointing back at you. It would be wise for each side to remember that, and work together. Right now on the science side of life, government, academia, and industry are working well together on potential vaccines and therapeutics.

MRS M

gabriel, the man at the most powerful podium in the world has failed America and caused untold harm. Trump's incompetance and his "messaging" to his followers comprise lies and mistruths, and have sought to divide Americans and to pit one state against another....both contributing to mounting deaths and continuing spread. The extreme politicalization of a response to this national tragedy is the cause. Case in point: 2 days of back-to-back "news conferences" at a Trump resort...............sans masks from the presdient of the United States and proud Republican supporters, with 163,000 Americans dead. Some, who might even be more intelligent than you or I even, but still CHOSE not to follow your easily followed guidelines. Politics is everything in this failure of some Americans to respond, BY CHOICE, in support of this failed presidency. The "leader", 6 months "in", continues to lead his supporters with assorted chimera qnd idiocy from the podium, now extending to potentially disasterous decisions to send children to school. All politics, all the time. If not, states such as Texas, South Carolina, Florida, and Arizona would have acted upon the deadly experience of the Northeast seen in March and April, to protect their citizens, instead of following the Trump mantra of denial, denial, and ........more denial of risk. Why else would Republican South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem message to the faithful on FoxStateTV that she is "so proud" to allow 250,000 bikers into their state this week to party?? Politics playing no role, right?

gabrielshorn2013

I'll take that as a "no".

gabrielshorn2013

"boobs", not books. Dang censoring autospell.

phydeaux994

typos forgiven gab.

MRS M

Mr. Lewis, you ended your excellent and accurate letter with the phrase '......we have failed miserably". As others have noted, it's primarily the failed "leadership" of a morally bankrupt and practically ignorant reality TV character, who "leads' by dividing neighbor against neighbor, state against state, and citizens against police, which has set up our nation to fail, big-time...in the perfect tragic storm we're experiencing today. All this, justified by many as they saw their 401k's grow in value......and that's about it. Those who continue today to support and defend Trump, with his messages of division, hatred, untruths and lack of empathy, knowingly continue to contribute to America's tragic failure. Truly, a soft, divided, selfish and self-centered nation, an embarrassment around the globe and a terrifying fall from grace. THIS is what "patriotic" Trump supporters are still defending. And sadly, this will continue until America is led by someone interested in unifying our nation, rather than dividing it, above all else.

matts853

Trump is so delusional and detached from reality that he actually thinks he’s done a great job and saved millions of lives that no one other than him could have saved. Seriously, he’s like Walter Mitty. He’s still pushing hydroxychlorquine and relying on voodo magic and witch doctors to wish it away. He doesn’t care about the mounting death toll because he continues to lie and downplay the severity of the outbreak. To him the virus is nothing more than a political liability that he wants the nation to ignore, rather than a national health crisis that requires his full attention and meaningful action. He isn’t incompetent because competency presumes that someone actually tries to do their job - He’s a borderline criminal for his wanton negligence that’s amplified the severity and lethality of this virus. It should be eponymously referred to as the “Trump Covid Calamity” in the history books.

lewisantq

Normally I resist responding to comments about my letters to avoid the inevitable food-fight, but not this time. Tonyc51, you said my letter lacks one iota of truth. Really? Pearl Harbor was not attacked? Willow Run was not producing B-24 Bombers six month later? The technical difficulty in producing N-95 masks is not trivial compared to producing Sherman tanks? Be specific. What wasn't true? Bosco and Rick Blatchford deny the shortage of N-95 Masks and claim Home Depot has them. AT 11:00AM this morning,I went to Home Depot on West Patrick St., as Bosco suggested, and tried to buy N-95 Masks. They don't have any in stock and haven't for six months. N-95 Masks may appear on their website as they do on Amazon but in both cases there are zero masks in stock. Rick and Bosco, please stick to facts Bob Lewis

jsklinelga

Mr. Lewis

Here is aa article from the WSJ. I googled about mask and saw no recent articles but this appeared most recent.

The Covid-19 pandemic has unraveled the global supply chain for medical masks as manufacturers like 3M Co. and Honeywell International Inc. work in record time to stoke production at home."

Obviously you missed the press conferences in April where night after night "captains" of a wide range of industries came together in this fight. You are right about a food fight. Commenting here has little value outside a small group But I found your trying to justify or validate your MSNBC.CNN. MSM standard, rote news blog by saying the folks of the greatest generation would support your position - a bit far fetched/

lewisantq

What does a past press conference have to do with the current shortage? The mask shortage is real and is an indication of how poorly our government has handled the pandemic. My comments and thoughts do not come from or align with MSNBC or any other media organization(not even Fox News).

threecents

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tonyc51

Lewis, You are correct that there were lots of facts about WW II. The misstatements ( or hyperbole) relate to the current events.

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lewisantq

tonyc51, Again, I ask what misstatements? What hyperbole? It seems that the only hyperbole between us is your statement that there was not one iota of truth in my letter. Bob

matts853

What they consider facts is just pathetic spin.

bosco

I'm sorry that the Home Depot did not have an N95 mask when you got there. The Home Depot website, which is usually pretty accurate regarding stock levels and location, indicated that they had some in stock. Did you check online before you drove over? That's what I usually do, check online and find out the aisle and section where my items are. That way I don't have to wander around trying to figure out where they've hidden what I'm looking for.

threecents

As I explained yesterday, they in fact did not have any in stock - at least within 100 miles of the 21702 zip code - or online. And, more importantly, the shortage is real - which was the point of Bob's LTE.

lewisantq

Sorry, "the fact that ....."

lewisantq

Bosco, You don't get it. I didn't go to Home Depot to buy an N-95 mask. I knew they didn't have any. I went to verify that your and Rick Blatchford's statements were false. Bob

Thewheelone

JSK, you write that we have made a "herculean effort mobilizing industry to produce supplies that were in short supply." Please tell me then, why our country with nearly 4% of the worlds' population has nearly 23% of the total deaths? Bosco, Rick B, Tony C., perhaps one or all of you can answer the question as well. Is it fake news? Is it too much testing? If we are getting adequate leadership, why are so many people here dying? Could the answer be found with those 250,000 idiots who went to Sturgis,SD this week? Or perhaps in Gwinnet County Georgia where 250 employees of the school system tested positive for Covid within a week of schools being open there? We do not have a united front against this virus because we lack leadership at the federal level.

hayduke2

I remember when many commenters here cheered on Georgia and other states for the " reopening ". In the first few weeks, they all said " See, nothing happening here with regard to the pandemic and infections." They seem silent on the issue now and more content to try to deflect and justify.

gabrielshorn2013

Why so many deaths in the US? That's simple. Americans are apparently incapable of abiding by the CDC guidelines or State laws to stay out of crows, stay apart, wear a mask, and wash their hands. Anybody that does not know those four principles must be living under a rock. There are no mulligans with CoViD-19. Get careless, get infected. That is personal responsibility, and unfortunately, no political party, R or D, is going to change American behavior. CoViD-19 is an equal opportunity pathogen, regardless of political party.

shiftless88

Yes, Gabe, because your Dear Leader pushes back himself. How do you expect POTUS sycophants to listen to the experts when he is sending a different message? Leadership; it matters.

gabrielshorn2013

My "Dear Leader" shiftless??? Perhaps you missed the dozens of times I have said this, but I didn't vote for him. Nonetheless, he does hold the office of President of the United States, so I will agree, yes, he is my President. Yes leadership matters shiftless, but anybody that takes medical advice from the President (who is not a public health official, and has NO medical training) is a dunce. The doctors and scientists at CDC, NIH, FDA and others have been streaming information constantly to advise the population about the pandemic, and people listen to the President on health matters? That's sad/funny. No wonder so many are infected. Stay away from crowds. Practice distancing. Wear a mask. Wash your hands. Every health official has been preaching this for many months.

phydeaux994

The old saw “actions speak louder than words” is totally appropriate in your case gab. If Trump has listened to Dr. Fauci from day 1 and mandated wearing a mask Nationwide and wearing one himself when it became apparent that that was the primary method of transmission, our curve would be down like all the Countries that took the threat seriously, we would be on the way to economic recovery like they are and many thousands of lives would have been saved. This is the biggest screwup by an American President in American History which ain’t over yet.

gabrielshorn2013

Phy, and if you had paid attention to what was originally being said about masks, including by Dr. Fauci, you would know that the original thought is that they were ineffective. That changed several weeks later, and Dr. Fauci then supported masks. I have always worn one soon after cases popped up in Maryland.

phydeaux994

As with anything new gab, you can only go by the information you have. At first it was thought that contact was the method of transmission so it was hand sanitizer and gloves that were sold out. As it became apparent that the primary culprit of transmission was airborne, masks became the defense and that was proven to help in the jurisdictions that stay at home orders and mandated masks flattened the curve. That was a long time ago and it still works but Trump and the uneducated he loves still ridicule it and the experts. How stupid is that??

gabrielshorn2013

You'll get no argument from me on any of that phy. As I said earlier, the doctors and scientists of the alphabet soup of government agencies have been streaming new information and recommendations to protect ourselves, but folks take medical advice from the President? Ridiculous. However, the people disregarding the guidance are hardly all Trump supporters. They're people in denial who just don't care. Can't fix stupid.

gabrielshorn2013

Ugh..."crowds" not "crows".

tonyc51

Wheel, I would never try to rationalize the mindset of the bikers going to Sturgis, nor would I try to rationalize the mindset of the rioters that have been out in the streets for weeks likely spreading the virus. Would you at least agree with me on that point?

awteam2000

Last week, six months into the pandemic and continuous severe delays in getting COVID test results , 7 states banned together to buy Coronavirus Tests. Under a joint agreement by state governors – three Republicans and four Democrats – each state will receive 500,000 tests that can detect the virus in 15 to 20 minutes.

Hogan, frustrated with the “wanting” lack of a national response wrote: “Eventually, it was clear that waiting around for the president to run the nation's response was hopeless; if we delayed any longer, we'd be condemning more of our citizens to suffering and death," "So every governor went their own way, which is how the United States ended up with such a patchwork response."

tonyc51

"...we'd be condemning more of our citizens to suffering and death," "So every governor went their own way, which is how the United States ended up with such a patchwork response." Much as the way Cuomo and Murphy did with the people in assisted living facilities. Pure brilliance.

awteam2000

These were your Governor’s observations. Maybe there should have been a national plan. You think 🤔? You know like some national leadership from the get-go. Rather than leaving it up to each state to come up with their own plan, blaming governors for mistakes made and taking credit when those same governors bring the virus numbers In their states under control. That’s brilliant.

gabrielshorn2013

aw, health issues are State issues. The Federal government can only issue unenforceable guidelines for health issues. The Federal guidelines from the CDC have been published for many months now. "One size fits all" rarely fits anybody. A plan for Montana will not work for New York.

hayduke2

But we did have a national pandemic office and a pandemic plan that got pushed aside. The federal govenment has a role in coordinating and messaging so your premise that health issues are State and local is not accurate. Think smoking awareness and seat belts. The feds have tremendous power and influence but they were and are behind the trends on this. Sorry, I have to disagree with your post.

gabrielshorn2013

No hay, it did not. It was reorganized into another directorate that handles pandemics and biological attacks. It makes sense, since the same tactics are used in either a biological attack (think smallpox, or some chimeric bioweapon with no cure unleashed by an enemy) as is in a pandemic with a novel agent. The same people (minus the former head) are still there doing the same jobs that they have been doing for decades under the NSC.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/16/no-white-house-didnt-dissolve-its-pandemic-response-office/

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-trump-fired-pandemic-team/partly-false-claim-trump-fired-pandemic-response-team-in-2018-idUSKBN21C32M

As for smoking awareness or seat belts, yes, those were guidelines, unenforceable at the Federal level. However, in the case of seat belts, the Feds used the power of the purse to coerce states into action since there are no Federal laws on the subject. No State seat belt laws? We will withhold your Federal highway money. They did the same with changing the drinking age. States wanted the money, so they capitulated. If you mean that the Feds promote awareness, then yes. The CDC guidelines are that same awareness, as are the myriad of TV commercials and radio spots stating 1) avoid crowds, 2) keep a 6' distance from others, 3) wear a mask, and 4) wash your hands. It is amazing how people refuse to follow the guidelines, or are simply careless. I have had to move away from people in the grocery store many times who are ignorant and/or inconsiderate of others now expanded personal space just so they can grab a gallon of milk, or a specific loaf of bread.

awteam2000

Gabe, no. Trump is simply shucking responsibility.

In the case of a catastrophic event that impacts public health and medical needs the Presidential can make a declaration of authority over the disaster or emergency (see: Stafford Act Declaration) a declaration of an incident of national significance by the DHS Secretary, or at the request of another federal department or agency, or under the Public Health Service Act, giving the national government the lead in responsibility.

The deployment of these resources is closely coordinated with affected State, Tribal, or local authorities.

As the world’s leader in positive coronavirus cases and deaths, 5 million cases in the USA, 163,000 deaths, ban from travel to almost every country in the world, sounds like a catastrophic event to me.

hayduke2

Come on gabe. Quote an opinion piece. The response team, based on member's words, was dissolved into nothingness. Your deflection on the smoking and seat belt laws is admirable but that doesn't make it right. There was/is no excuse for a strong federal push FROM THE TRUMP administration for the current approach to the pandemic.

gabrielshorn2013

Hay, I was responding to your point of smoking awareness and seatbelts at 1:01 PM. There was also a Reuters article. Did you miss that one?

hayduke2

Gabe - I did not miss the article. However, the article concluded with:

There is disagreement over how to describe the changes at the NSC’s Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense in 2018. The departure of some members due to “streamlining” efforts under John Bolton is documented. The “pandemic response team” as a unit was largely disbanded. Sure seems to fit being transitioned into nothingness.

NewMarketParent

@gabrielshorn2013

A link to an editorial is not established fact.

Our current leadership had a playbook. It was tossed. He said his predecessor should resign when there were 2 deaths in the U.S. We currently have ~160K dead citizens I have yet to see a resignation letter.

He couldn't have handled this worse if he tried.

On second thought, he probably could make it worse as I couldn't expect a failed casino operator to do anything correctly.

PurplePickles

@ NMP

Check this out about Heath Barnes https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/continuing_coverage/coronavirus/coronavirus-hits-home-for-younger-people/article_296e1a8e-3c83-57e9-b383-0a95c7ab2a2b.html

Could this be the same Heath Barnes ? Odd they disabled the comments on that story. I don't see what was so bad about the comments do you?

gabrielshorn2013

Pickles, they disabled the comments because of a some unkind and uncalled for comments regarding the young lady. I was watching that story, and the comments should not have passed the mods to begin with.

PurplePickles

@ Gabe and NMP

Just to clarify because I guess I do? I am talking about the story today about Heath Barnes, they disabled the comments from today, which is odd?

The link I posted above is from an article published on 8/1 which had Heath Barnes in, is that the same Heath Barnes from the article today?

gabrielshorn2013

Pickles, I don't know if it's the same person, but the comments to both stories were disabled. Why? A few reasons. A particularly tragic situation where comments are inappropriate. Continual violations of the posted rules within a conversation. When people cannot behave themselves and maintain a civil discussion, the mods disable the comments.

awteam2000

Six months ago Trump said “there are only 15 cases soon to be none, it’s all under control.” It wasn’t under control then, and it’s not under control now.

5 million positive cases: America has 25% of the world’s Coronavirus cases, 22% of the world’s fatalities with only 4% of the world’s population.

163,000 fatalities in the last 180 days. That’s almost three times the number of America’s killed in the Vietnam War. A complete disaster.

bosco

awt, here's a split screen timeline for you. The virus milestones are on the left and the government's response to the developing conditions is on the right. I'm sure that if you have any ideas on how the government could do a better job the next time China sends us an unknown virus, they would welcome your suggestions. Just scroll all the way down and click on "contact". Or you can join Pelosi on another kiss and hug tour in Chinatown.

https://www.defense.gov/Explore/Spotlight/Coronavirus/DOD-Response-Timeline/

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awteam2000

Bosco, I actually did share my ideas on how the national government could do a better job in a comment on a thread to an article in the fnp on March 3rd. regarding closing of schools.

One of the disagreeing responses to my comments wrote: “ As for testing people, who would you test “Dr.” aw? Anyone that asked? There are not enough kits to test 350 million people, and doing so would be astronomically expensive. You test the people who meet the criteria for potential disease,” You may want to checkout your comments in that same thread.

There was only one known fatality at that point.

gabrielshorn2013

That was me "Dr." aw, and the question still stands. What does a positive test mean? What does a negative test mean? You never answered those questions. You may be negative today, but positive in three days once your viral titer increases. All but the PCR tests are awful, with a false result (positive or negative) approaching 50%. Surveillance testing (a statistically valid sampling of the population) monitoring the positive rate of the sampling over time has value, to determine the level of infection in a region. What makes a difference is 1) avoiding crowds, 2) keeping apart, 3) wear a mask, and 4) wash your hands. Infection only passes from the infected to the uninfected if these simple steps are not followed. Get careless, get infected. Simple. Unfortunately, many Americans can't follow four simple directions, and here we are.

awteam2000

And # 5) Testing.

Again, with any transmittable disease it’s important to separate those infected from those not infected. COVID 19 is highly contagious and very lethal. You can have it and be Asymptomatic (unknowingly) showing no symptoms infecting others, your own family members without experiencing any symptoms.

Virus test identify positive cases so to quarantine, treatment, and tracing of contacts to reduce the spread. Mass test determine how much the virus has spread within a specific community in hopes to reduce greater spread.

The ideal is to test in large numbers with low positive results and greater negative numbers. That’s a good thing. The lower the number of positive cases as a percent of total tested the better we all are, allowing less social spread and social restrictions. Testing, as well as the recommended prophylactics allows for greater opening of social norms and how well a community is doing.

gabrielshorn2013

Apparently you missed the part of the unreliability of the tests aw. A false negative rate approaching 50% will allow many, many people to spread the disease before they ever become symptomatic because they now let their guard down because "they are negative". And people will let their guard down around those people because they have "an official negative test". The rapid Abbott test is crap that misses positives 25% of the time. False positives (approaching 50%) cause people

and their families to be quarantined and shunned for no reason. The Matthew Stafford false diagnosis is case in point. So is the governor of Ohio DeWine.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2020/08/07/detroit-lions-matthew-stafford-covid-19/3324419001/

The only test worth anything is the PCR tests that take a while for the results to come in due to processing times and volumes.

tonyc51

Excellent review of the history, over time some people's memory become cloudy, or in some cases some people are blinded in a partisan fog.

awteam2000

Did you guys read this Department of Defense timeline? What act stands out most for you to hinder the spread of the virus? 🤷‍♂️

hayduke2

Bosco - you do realize that what you posted gives more credence to the fact that we were behind the ball on our approach. It also gives credence to the fact that individual states took this on in a much more robust fashion than the feds did. Sorry, but it doesn't speak to a national approach to the pandemic and, actually, the areas on the left in the red boxes are frightening. BTW, why go to the unproven statement that " China sends us " as a button push?

tonyc51

Aw, since we are all engaging in "what if" scenarios; Whose to say that if Biden (or for that matter Hilary) that the situation would have been better. Whose to say there might not be 350,000 deaths or more. After all they criticized the travel shutdowns as well as other actions that demonstrably have reduced the problem. It is easy to look into the past and find things that could have been done differently, Trump did not have that luxury. Monday morning quarterbacks.

awteam2000

I’m not engaging in “Monday Morning Quarterbacking”. This disaster is going on right now we are in the middle of the storm. Hillary, Biden nor Obama aren’t the QB’s. Trump is. In football sideline jargon, “his play calling sucks.”

matts853

Really Tony? He claimed for a month or more it was a hoax. Claimed more than once it would vanish like magic. Openly mocked wearing masks. Urged R governors to reopen to soon. Threatend D governors who wouldn’t. Muzzled Fauci. Suggested Lysol, light bulbs and hydroxychloraquine as medicine, shut down the press briefings for over a month only to bring them back with just himself, continues to this day to downplay the extent of the spread and the number of deaths, has attempted to censor the CDC data reporting, and best of all.... said “it is what it is”.

I could go on, but to suggest that Clinton or Biden would have or could have done worse is a laughable.

matts853

Amd Tony, Trump did have the luxuries of witnessing what happened in China and the west coast, but instead of being proactive he just kept on, week after week, saying it’s a hoax and that it will just go away. He also ignored what the infectious disease experts were telling him, because of course he always knows better than anyone else.

All he had to do was 1. Push for full lockdown for another month and 2. Mandate mask weearing and social distancing. Had he done those 2 SIMPLE things, we’d have this under control. We probably wouldn’t need a second stimulus and the kids would be back at school. But he prioritized his re-election over science and common sense and so he took the nation backward. MAGA!!!

tonyc51

Another ridiculous LTE that lacks even an iota of truth, but only serves to further advance the fallacies created and pushed by anti-Trump media (ie dems).

jsklinelga

tonyc

I have to agree. Employing the "assumed " support of the greatest generation for Mr. Lewis assertions and his parties 'cancel culture" agenda is in poor taste We have greater immediate problems ,locally that are not being handled the best. But it is always easier to cast blame elsewhere.

hayduke2

jsk - isn't casting blame elsewhere exactly what you just did in your post? Just curious.

I would also love your answers to my response to tony, since you agree with him.

hayduke2

tony - I'm confused. Please explain what the national plan to address this pandemic consists of? Is it taking away information from the CDC and denigrating their doctors? Is it the " it is up to the states " approach ( kind of goes against the idea of a United States, no/ ) ? Is it taking away a national plan because it initially seemed to favor blue states? Is it promoting actions that have no scientific basis? Is it making the wearing of a mask a political issue? Is it somehow gleaning an approach while playing golf? Can't wait to be enlightened.

tonyc51

Hay, I think you are aware that the US is country comprised of states, each of which have duties established in the constitution. Each has its own executive with responsibilities as assigned by their constitution. Also The Tenth Amendment of the US constitution reinforces this principle: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.” State power, then, was protected not by affirmatively shielding state power, but by limiting the ability of the federal government to act in the first place. So maybe your beef is with the governors. I appreciate that Hogan has done a remarkably good job as compared to a lot of northeast governors. As to the federal plan there has been one that has been updated based on the situation presented in real time.

hayduke2

Deflection tony.. Based on your take, the federal government has no role. That is in line with Trump's " I take no responsibility" mantra. So the federal government has no role in dealing with the opiod crisis, drug interdiction, approving medications, overseeing food saftey, dealing with public health issues and offering support and strict guidelines, etc. The problem is there is no coordinated, succinct federal plan.

threecents

LTE is right on. During the last Democratic primaries debate - before the situation had gotten very bad in the US - Biden outlined how he would have used the military to treat Covid-19 like a military invasion.

bosco

Biden would use the military - do you mean those Jack-Booted Storm Troopers? Is that the same Biden who called Trump a xenophobe for closing off travel from China when there was only one confirmed death in the US from the virus - and a month before Pelosi was on her kiss and hug tour of Chinatown telling everyone to come on down there is no problem?

I guess all those who hate Trump and suffers from TDS will forego the vaccines being developed under his Operation Warp Speed.

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hayduke2

Well bosco - keep pushing the buttons. However, I feel it important to point out that it is the folks at NIH who are working , as they always have, to produce a viable vaccine in conjunction with various pharm companies. This, despite actions by the administration, to downplay the severity and science behind the pandemic.

bosco

Every body pushes buttons, hayduke. And thanks for pointing out the work to get the vaccine out in record time thanks to Operation Fast Track.

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hayduke2

Well bosco, it is Operation Warp Speed and is as follows:

Who's working on Operation Warp Speed?

OWS is a partnership among components of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the National Institutes of Health (NIH), and the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD). OWS engages with private firms and other federal agencies, including the Department of Agriculture, the Department of Energy, and the Department of Veterans Affairs. It will coordinate existing HHS-wide efforts, including the NIH's Accelerating COVID-19 Therapeutic Interventions and Vaccines (ACTIV) partnership, NIH's Rapid Acceleration of Diagnostics (RADx) initiative, and work by BARDA. Notice that it is well established government entities that are functioning DESPITE the lack of support from the Trump administration.

threecents

"Operation Fast Track" Really? Is that what the long-time NAIAD chief calls it? You know the guy who so often disagrees with Trump, but downplays that so Trump won't fire him. Yah, it's the guy whose whole family gets death threats from Trump supporters. Tony something.

NewMarketParent

@bosco

Jackboots typically refer to unbadged, unnamed unidentifiable federal agents acting on behalf of an agency with a direct hierarchy from the Govt.

Stop conflating that with the military, it's stupid and a lie.

tonyc51

And if Trump had done that the media and democrat's heads would have exploded claiming a violation of the The Posse Comitatus Act federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) which limits the powers of the federal government in the use of federal military personnel to enforce domestic policies within the United States. But it probably would have been OK if Biden did it, you know situational logic applies to everything Trump tries to do.

hayduke2

Whataboutism is not a defense...

tonyc51

Hay, tell that to your fellow Trump haters posting here. But you can't debate the comment about dems head exploding.

threecents

Tonyc, Many Democrats, including me and the letter writer, have been demanding that Trump use the military and/or American industry to make more N95 masks, so that hospital workers, patients, and lab workers can be properly protected. Trump and 3M have taken credit for increased production, but there is still a severe shortage, and it has been that way for six months with no sign of abating. Blatchford and Bosco, who should know better, claim there is no shortage, because they are disconnected from reality.

hayduke2

I believe the offer of military assistance, in consultation with the various governors, would be well received and would cause no one's head to explode. The threatening to send in federal troops when governors and law enforcement didn't ask for the help is concerning. Where do you stand on that?

Rick Blatchford

The writer attempts to compare the manufacture of tanks and planes (things that had been made for years) with the search for the vaccine of a formerly unknown affliction. Not even an apples to oranges comparison. More like pineapples to lug nuts. Then he bemoans the unavailability of N-95 masks. Will someone please direct him to the nearest Home Depot???

public-redux

The writer didn’t say a peep about the search for a vaccine. The comparison of tanks and planes was to PPE, quick-result test kits, and contact tracing.

hayduke2

Thanks public... Was about to make the same comment to Rick's apparent misunderstanding of what the author of the letter was saying.

threecents

On public radio this morning they said testing is at a record pace in Maryland, but in many parts of the country there are not enough tests, and patients often have to wait two weeks for the results.

threecents

Sorry Rick, you are wrong again. Home Depot, like Amazon and everyone else, has been out of N-95 masks since February. There are still shortages at hospitals and research facilities, like those at Fort Detrick.

bosco

Sorry, threecents, you are wrong again. Home Depot on West Patrick has N95 masks in stock (N95s prevent you from inhaling the virus) and plenty of regular face masks.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-N95-Professional-Multi-Purpose-Valved-Respirator-3-Pack-48-73-4012/3103928

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threecents

No they don't. I checked your link. It said, "The product you are trying to view is not currently available."

bosco

Yes they do. I just checked again. Go to the link and type in n95 masks.

Sorry about the link.

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hayduke2

Sorry bosco - stopped in both Home Depots this morning on my way to an oil change. No masks in either and the guy I talked to said they did not have them "for months."

threecents

Since your link contained,"Milwaukee-N95-Professional-Multi-Purpose-Valved-Respirator", I searched for that on the Home Depot website, and it came up, so I started to order it, and it said home shipping is not available for that item. Indeed, it said there are "limited stocks" in Frederick area stores, so I clicked on "check nearby stores". It then said, "This item is not available in any stores within100 miles of 21702 zip code". But Bosco, please do go over to any hardware store and report back to us. Check Amazon, CVS, Walmart,...

awteam2000

Rick, No.

This is a fair comparison to the immediacy taken in fighting the enemy in WWII as compared to impotence in this presidency‘s lame response to this war. Unlike in WWII, Trump hasn’t use the “Defense Production Act“ to expedite our industrial strength to fight the current enemy, with needed N95 masks and PPE supplies. Trump’s tactic is only to shoot-off imbecilic remarks, “it will magically end one day“ and to address the death count, “it is what it is”.

Yes, compared to the response to the enemies in World War II, this has been a complete disaster with no battle plan on hoping some miracle will save his butt.

tonyc51

AW, one word totally destroys your point, "RESPIRATORS", Not to mention the speed with which vaccines are being developed (even Fauci agrees)thanks to Trumps operation Warp Speed. If Biden had been president he would have implemented operation "SNAILS PACE" and vaccines would not be possible for years,

awteam2000

You mean when states were bidding against each other to buy “RESPIRATORS” pushing up the price? Do you know what “operation warp speed” entails? And the “vaccine“ miracle better come in at “warp speed“ before the election. Hopefully it won’t be Clorox beach or ultraviolet light. Seeing that Trump has no credibility, he definitely needs Flauci’s support for any sense of optimism.

threecents

We are talking about a vaccine we hope to be about 70% effective - that only about 50% of the population will agree to take. There are also very promising treatments. They would be further along in clinical trials if time and patients weren't wasted on Trump's fake cure. Now it appears clear that hydroxychloroquine actually killed some Covid19 patients in those clinical trials. Just one of so many reasons that Trump is not fit to be president.

threecents

Tony, Do you mean ventilators, rather than RESPIRATORS? Ventilators are no longer in shortage because it turned out they were not as effective for treating Covid19 as was originally assumed. N95 masks (respirators) are still in short supply, and states are bidding against each other for them, as they are for diagnostic tests. In fact the federal government has also been bidding against the states and has stockpiles. Trump is actually running the federal government like a business - a business competing against the states. I think everyone knows Trump's plan is to use some of those supplies to reward governors who support him and withhold supplies from governors who don't. The problem a lot of his supporters have is they downplayed the significance of the pandemic and prevention methods, so they look bad when seeking federal aid, and Trump is not about to share any blame with them for letting things get out of hand. I think one poster tried to excuse Trump of blame for spread by putting it on the people who would not mask, wash, and distance. Well, that is because their leaders refused to act as role models and promote prevention as much as they should have.

hayduke2

See my 12:11 response tony. Trump's Operation Warp Speed is not because of him, it is despite him. Keep trying.

gabrielshorn2013

"They would be further along in clinical trials if time and patients weren't wasted on Trump's fake cure

Nonsense three, and you know it. All of the resources thrown at this issue by CDC, NIH, FDA, and other Federal agencies can actually walk and chew gum at the same time. Many of the studies disproving the hydroxychloroquine nonsense were done by outside organizations, including case studies by hospitals. It didn't slow down vaccine or therapeutic development, and as you already know, the speed at which these therapeutics and vaccines are being developed and pushed through clinical trials is unprecedented. When has a vaccine for a novel agent ever been developed in under a year, as the current vaccines are? hint...never.

matts853

Nope Tony, not at all. Biden wouldn’t have wasted nearly 2 months calling it a hoax and foolishly believing it was just disappear. He wouldn’t have wasted people’s time - and looked like a fool doing so - throwing around insane suggestions of cures like Lysol, light bulbs, or his all time favorite snake oil - hydroxy whatever. Nope Tony, Biden wouldn’t have D!C/(d around like Trump did and made this a political issue. He would have rolled up his sleaves and actually did his job. Don’t forget that Biden raised concerns of a pandemic back in November.

How can you be so blind to Trump’s utter failure to take this seriously.

threecents

Gabe, Stop telling people they are wrong, when they are not. It is so annoying. Even better would be if you don't address me or my comments at all. There are only so many patients available for clinical trials, and many were wasted on multiple hydroxychloroquine trials. And you should know that.

gabrielshorn2013

Too bad you feel that way three, but most of the studies that were done on hydroxychloroquine were case studies involving recovery rates in ill patients, not double-blinded clinical trials, so there were no resources drawn away from clinical trials. As for vaccine and therapeutic clinical trials, are you kidding me? People are jumping at the chance to join them! How many are needed for a phase 1 trial? Ten or so. Phase 2(dose ranging)? Maybe 100. Phase 3 is where many people are needed, and those trials just began, Moderna mRNA being one of the first. Other trials are happening in the UK and elsewhere, and dont utilize US resources.

threecents

Gabe, I am not wrong. And, yes there have been multiple double blind studies on hydroxychloroquine, and yes, there are many other promising drugs that could have been tested in its place. Again, you or all people in this forum should know that. At the very least you should not be telling me I'm wrong - when I am 100% correct. I'll leave it at that and will go back to ignoring you. Life is too short.

gabrielshorn2013

Again, sorry you feel that way three, and suit yourself. If you would go to ClinicalTrials.gov: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=&term=hydroxychloroquine&cntry=&state=&city=&dist=

You will see that indeed there have been many (492) clinical studies for the use of hydroxychloroquine for many, many indications including breast cancer, malaria, diabetes...and also CoViD-19. Of the ones for CoViD-`19, the trials were sponsored by universities, hospitals, pharmaceutical companies, and private individuals. Most were carried out overseas. None were sponsored by any branch of the US Government, so the only resources expended by the government, other than listing them on clinicaltrials.gov, were review of the clinical trial design by FDA, and an IRB (if a government IRB is used, most are not). You are correct in that hydroxycloroquine was ineffective in that indication, but so are the vast majority of products entering phase 1, 2, and 3 clinical trials for their indications. Only one or two out of 100 products developed make it through clinical trials, so did all of those sponsors whose drugs failed waste their time, and incur an opportunity cost? No! They know that their drug will not work on a given indication, but not on every indication. In this instance, hospitals, governments, pharmaceutical companies, and patients were looking for something,,,anything to fight a novel agent.

matts853

Get a clue Blatchford, there is a mask shortage. And it’s not like this is man’s first attempt at creating a vaccine. We already have some for different strains of corona virus. Only a Luddite would try to conflate our ability to grow both pineapples and make lug nuts.

Will someone please direct Rick to the nearest grocery and hardware store???

jsklinelga

Mr. Lewis,

With all due respect: hogwash. When this virus struck there was a herculean effort mobilizing industry to produce supplies that were in short supply. And accelerated efforts to develop testing and cures.. The US testing now surpasses all in the world.

You are correct. The greatest generation would be appalled. For one in this present day they are no longer considered great. They are part of the white supremacist force that was blatantly discriminatory and racist.

No we face a far more insidious enemy in 2020. Yes the greatest generation would be appalled as they would witness free bibles being handed out to burn and American Flags trampled. And our National Anthem and heritage constantly disparaged. No. They most likely would rise to the call to arms. Just as their descendants are on the verge of doing.

olefool

C'mon jsk, your bucket of whitewash paint was empty last week. Time for you to wake up and stop hating American values.

hayduke2

Well jsk, the first and most basic piece of hogwash was your attempt to talk about a herculean effort and the fact you ignored it was an individual's states efforts ( and they varied greatly - look at those who followed the president's nonchalent approach and believed they could open everything early ) that took on the virus. I keep expecting you to respond at some time based on reality but .....

shiftless88

jsk; what happened to your requests for reasonable discussions? Just because you say "with all due respect" in front of it does not make it respectful. Plus I asked you a simple and reasonable question the other day and you just ignored it despite saying you like to engage in respectful discussions.

knahs25

Agree 100%. If Trump and his cronies had been in office in 1942, we would all be speaking Japanese or German.

bosco

If If If. IF your aunt had gonads, she would be your uncle. That's how far IF will get you.[lol][lol][lol][ninja]

tonyc51

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matts853

Tony, it’s ironic that you gave a thumb up to Bosco’s what if missives when you’ve done the exact same thing in some of your other comments. I’m at a loss to figure out what your standards are for debating this.

Matt Seubert

hayduke2

Wow, very thoughtful and intelligent post.

NewMarketParent

@hayduke2

It is obvious what is on bosco's mind. Whatever floats his boat.

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