I noted on the front page of Monday’s News-Post a sign in a picture from the 287(g) rallies Sunday that states “Immigration Built This Nation.”

We have seen and heard this statement many times in the past few years. That statement is only partly true and leaves out most of the true statements about immigration.

America was founded by people that came here to establish a country, people that developed a Constitution, a Bill of Rights, the free enterprise system, and laws that became the basis of great growth and safe surroundings for the people. The country was helped by the many immigrants that came here over the past years to be Americans and to enjoy the fruits of what America offered through the free enterprise system and the rights and privileges afforded American citizens. The immigrants went through a process to gain those rights and privileges, and the end result was a huge win for the immigrants and for America. For the immigrants, because they became citizens of the greatest country that ever existed. America, because the country was obtaining good people not only as true citizens but as individuals that had the know-how and skills to help America grow into the nation we have become.

Please note that ALL of those immigrants came here legally and to proudly become Americans by obeying the laws of America.

Today most immigrants entering our country are coming here illegally, breaking our laws to mostly receive and to give little to nothing to help America. Many of those illegal immigrants are coming here with illegal drugs and committing heinous crimes. America instituted the 287(g) program to provide all of America’s law enforcement personnel the legal authority to prevent or capture all people that entered our country illegally. We all need to be highly supportive and thankful we have Sheriff Chuck Jenkins who is doing the job all law enforcement personnel in America need to do to enforce ALL laws and not just some of the laws some people want enforced.

Do we really want the streets, roads and alleys of Frederick city and county to be filled with illegal immigrants living in them? If you do not support obeying all the laws of the country, do not want the 287(g) program enforced, then please open the doors of your home to let the illegal immigrants in to live there and keep them off the streets so the rest of us can continue to enjoy safely calling Frederick city and county home.

William Bugg

Monrovia

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FCPS-Principal

Well, let's see about all this supposed undocumented worker crime. Right this very minute the FNP shows a citizen charged with robbery and multiple thefts from vehicles; a citizen registered sex offender exposing himself; two citizens using illegal drugs and skimming credit cards; a citizen lawmaker resigning due to wire fraud; three citizens charged with killing that ex-Dallas racist cop lady and a citizen charged with drug offenses, rape and assault. Not an undocumented worker among them, and that's just one day at one particular minute. So stop deporting law-abiding undocumented workers.

phydeaux994

https://www.ice.gov/doclib/287gMOA/Frederick_County_MOA_2016.pdf ...



Please, Please, Please Mr. Bugg and anyone else who THINKS they know what the 287(g) Program does in Frederick County. Above is the Memorandum of Agreement (MOA) between the FCSO (Sheriff Jenkins) and ICE which is the Legal Document controlling the implementation of the 287(g) Program in Frederick County Maryland by the FCSO (Sheriff Jenkins). You will find that it does not allow Deputies of the FCSO to arrest anyone for breaking Immigration Laws. In fact the 287(g) Program does not apply until someone arrested for a crime is brought to the Detention Center and booked in. And you will also find that the 287(g) Program does not give the FCSO the power to Deport anyone. That can only be done after the illegal alien has appeared at a Deportation Hearing in front of a Federal Judge. So how does the 287(g) Program make Frederick County safer...?

BunnyLou

Awesome, LTE. Right on point.


KellyAlzan

FNP if ur gonna publish content with incorrect statements, AT LEAST do a Fact Check Statement ar the end of the letter. Heck, even Facebook is trying to control the nonsense.

DickD

Bill, you do realize many of us have ancestors that came to the U.S. prior to any immigration laws that limited their ability to come and stay here.  For instance, many of my ancestors came in the early 1800's, a few before the Revolution.  So, there were no immigration laws.  Do you realize upstate New York, north of Utica and Rome was not settled by whites - which is what you mean, because except for the slaves it was all whites.  And the slaves had a lot to do with building the U.S.  Probably you don't know that.  Now you object to immigrants. Is it because they are mostly Latinos?  Don't bug us, Bill, learn your history.

thump1202

Does Mr Bugg realize that every large wave of immigration from a specific part of the world throughout US history was demonized and the same talking points used referring to the Irish, Italians, Chinese, and everyone else whether they were considered legal or not? Our laws are hosed and someone is selling America to these people. We need to keep voting out Congress until they deal with issues like immigration and healthcare properly. There's only 535 of them and hundreds of millions of us, if we can get past the daily Trump tweet distraction and insinuations of racism, socialism, etc we can get there.

seanjames

this is the problem with modern media -- in an desperate effort to appear fair, they print garbage like this to make sure "both sides" are represented. it also, of course, has the fringe benefit of getting people riled up in the comments and adding additional hate-clicks.



just stop it. a little extra money for your corporate overlords or appeasing people who will call you fake news anyway is not worth flushing the country down the gd toilet!

glenkrc

In 1960, there were 9.7 million foreign born in the United States, representing 5.4 percent of the total resident population. Between 1960 and 1970, the size of the foreign-born population declined to 9.6 million – or about 4.7 percent of the total population – and marked the end of a period of continuous decline that began in the 1930s. During the next four decades, the foreign-born population increased in size and as a percent of the total population: from 14.1 million (or 6.2 percent) in 1980 to 40.0 million (or 12.9 percent) in 2010. While the number of foreign born in 2010 represented a historical high, the proportion of the total population was lower than during the great migration wave of the later 1800s to early 1900s, when it fluctuated between 13 and 15 percent. Between 1910 and 1930, the foreign-born population ranged from 13.5 to 14.2 million, then experienced continual decline until 1970, when it reached its lowest number in the 20th century. By comparison, between 1970 and 2010, the foreign-born population experienced continual growth, increasing to its current historical high.

https://web.archive.org/web/20121020044547/https://www.census.gov/population/foreign/files/WorkingPaper96.pdf

KellyAlzan

FNP - I understand how letters to editors work. But with our country being more divided today than ever before, don’t you think this letter only adds to the mayhem that exists today? The letter is so inaccurate. Other than the newspaper giving the writer the spotlight to make a fool of himself, why would you accept something with so many false statements today?

That guy

Normally I try to refrain from posting responses in anger, but good gravy this is the most fear-mongering letter I've seen in the FNP in quite a while. No facts, just bigotry. No sources, just stoking the flames of discrimination. No compassion, just prejudice.

If we're throwing citations out the window, I'll say that no, the majority of immigrants are not "here illegally". Something like 40% are considered "illegal" because of overstayed work visas.

Statistically speaking, immigrants commit fewer crimes than native-born Americans. The Americans of the past didn't "come here legally". They showed up, claimed land as their own, and committed genocide on the natives who disagreed (those who survived the diseases the Europeans brought, anyway).

"Do we really want the streets and alleys of Frederick filled with illegal immigrants?" Some pretty strong racist undertones there, buddy. How long before you start calling them "vermin" or "rats"?

"Open your homes to the illegal immigrants and see how that goes?" I'd rather open my home to someone who's genuinely here to make a better life for themselves than a self-righteous WASP who believes anyone with a skin tone darker than a hard-boiled egg is a drug-addled criminal.

If LTEs don't need to provide the sources to back up their ludicrous claims, I'm not going to bother either. But a bit of Googling will prove me exponentially more correct than this garbage.

Dwasserba

[thumbup]That guy Well said. The Irish progenitors of my adoptive family stowed away to get to NY, then got in trouble with the law in Phila before founding a town that holds picnics in their honor. How much of the real history do any of my many distant cousins know? One that I know of. Hold onto your MAGA hats folks, they might fly off over what you don't know.

KellyAlzan

Why would I not welcome a hard working, well natured, immigrant into my home?

thump1202

There's a handful of people in the county who buy townhouses in Hillcrest and have become wealthy charging inflated rent to illegal immigrants. Despite this they don't destroy the homes the way many renters do, they're too busy working.

KellyAlzan

Very true. I have a cool story about that exact scenario in said location. Would love to share it. But, one of the haters will only twist it out of context

threecents

We're not up to vermin yet. We are currently on drug dealing gang members with small pox.

DickD

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shiftless88

Aside from the usual misconceptions this letter spreads, it is worth pointing out that "coming here legally" meant basically "showing up at the border while not horribly sick" for most of this country's existence. I would bet that the LTE's author's ancestors did not need to apply for visas and go through all the hassle that he expects people to do today.

threecents

It is interesting to look dispassionately at the immigration problem that congress has given us. If we go back to Reagan, we see a president who had nearly the same opinions on it as today's liberals. All the presidents since - until Trump - have also wanted immigration reform - including pathways to citizenship, but - surprise - congress could not agree on anything and Trump and Rush et al. capitalized on the mess that has developed. They used the issue to divide us so much that we cannot see it straight. People like Trump and our sheriff makes us pick either their side or the other side, and the other side gets painted as the extreme left - either a wall or open borders. This is the framing that Trump has masterminded, and this letter writer and many others have gotten sucked into it - which means that we remain even farther from workable solutions.

thump1202

I don't think either side really wants to fix immigration. The fact we allow 535 elected officials to keep on beating the drum for decades on end is pitiful for our society. The left likes having a group of oppressed people to politic on and the right likes the cheap labor. Only us citizens have an interest in fixing this as these people are our neighbors we live alongside in our communities and even the most radical elements can agree we ought to know who they are and recognize them as human beings.

threecents

Thump, you may be right. If we got rid of immigrants or gave them reasonable wages and benefits, we would have to pay quite a bit more for our food, and no doubt we would blame the president and congress.

gary4books

"Illegal" does depend on what we make the law to do. it is time to let the USA Senate vote and pass a comprehensive Immigration Law. Fix the law and leave the workers alone.

thump1202

Amen, plenty of Americans are exploiting these people and whether the author believes it or not, most work hard and send money back to support their families. Our laws are garbage and the truth of the matter is they come here because they know there will be a smile and wink ready for them if they survive the trip.

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matthewboh

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awteam2000

Bill claims “Today most immigrants entering our country are coming here illegally, breaking our laws to mostly receive and to give little to nothing to help America. Many of those illegal immigrants are coming here with illegal drugs and committing heinous crimes.“ THAT’S A LIE! Which discredits his whole argument.

gary4books

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MD1756

We allow roughly one million a year into this country through the"normal" process. It seems like there are much more than that coming to the country, many claiming asylum. I'm not sure what percentage should really get asylum. Should spousal abuse qualify? Should fear of gangs tracking you down qualify? If they can track you from one country to another, they can track you down in this country if they really wanted to waste the resources. So in reality it seems many if not most are coming for economic reasons which would mean they are entering illegally and claiming asylum when their primary reason for coming would not meet the requirement for claiming asylum. If all the good people left their countries because of drug lords or gangs, what would be left in those countries? If problems are that bad, I will never understand why people have children who are then put at risk for a number of issues not the least of which is lack of food). As far as the last statement of "Many of those illegal immigrants are coming here with illegal drugs and committing heinous crimes.", that is probably an overstatement, but it depends on ones definition of "many" which can be relative.

shiftless88

MD; thankfully there is an actual process by which to judge asylum. So it is perfectly legal to start the process. So now you are advocating going against our immigration laws by dropping this process or making an assumption about the immigrants? And frankly, economics and violence have long been a driver for immigrants coming to this country.

MD1756

For some reason people that comment here like to try to provoke conflict. No where in my comment did I say to go against our immigration laws. I made an observation that many coming (and I made it clear I don't know what percentage so maybe I should have said "a number" instead of many) to this country are using what I believe are bogus asylum claims. I didn't think I needed to add that the bogus claims should be quickly dealt with through the system, that should have been obvious. Now, I believe something in the system has to cahnge, but until that is done you follow the system in place. With the numbers coming to the border swamping our ability to process them, something does have to change becuase once they get in, a number of them (I don't know the percentage) will "disappear" and not show up for their hearings. One way to address it is shorten the hearings and abilities to appeal hile in this country. Maybe they should send their appeal for asylum before even taking the trip. To address your last statement, economics or domestic abuse are no excuse for cutting into the immigration line. Finally, all those who claim that the immigrant bring diversity and help the economy are 1: ignoring the fact that the numbers show those coming into this are not making us more diverse when compared to the world's population, otherwise we need many more people from India and China to come here; and 2: a number of studies and most comments that I have seen are not factoring in the money that immigrants send back to their home countires and no study I've seen attributes the cost of children of one or both parents who are here illegally to the cost of the immigrants but attribute them to U.S. citizens becuase the children are citizens but they would not be citizens using tax payer funded benefits if their parents were not here illegally.

hayduke2

Thanks aw - I read it up to that point and then thought the same. Another attempt to justify fear mongering and not pass comprehensive immigration reform including an clear and obtainable path to citizenship.

thump1202

[thumbup][thumbup][thumbup] I'd love to see these bills collecting dust actually receive consideration so we the people know who's willing to try and who pontificates all day doing nothing

hayduke2

Agree thump- [thumbup][thumbup][thumbup]. Why not pass a bill and make changes as issues arise ??

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KellyAlzan

“The decision unequivocally holds that local law and state law enforcement cannot enforce civil immigration law and found that the deputies had no legal authority in which to arrest or even briefly detain the plaintiff on the basis of a civil immigration status violation. The U.S. Supreme Court denied defendants’ petition for certiorari in March 2014.”



Source: Latino Justice .org

bnick467

"America was founded by people that came here to establish a country,..."



No, they came here as immigrants, looking to get away from oppression of their freedoms and wanting to make a better life for themselves. And if they came here legally, then why did they have to murder thousands of indigenous Native Americans to establish this country?

MD1756

There are no indigenous humans in the American continents. Some just came earlier than others. Additionally, not all of this country was established by "murdering" thousands people who were here before them. For example, Pennsylvania was essentially purchased from the Indian tribes over time.

hayduke2

MD1756 - rather revisionist history...

MD1756

Not at all.

awteam2000

Indigenous means first. The indigenous peoples of the Americas are the pre-Columbian peoples of North, Central and South America and their descendants. There had to be ‘first people’ and their descendants account for more than 70 million indigenous people between North, Central & South American people.

MD1756

I don't know what dictionary you use but here is the definition I've used: Indigenous | Definition of Indigenous by Merriam-Webster

https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › indigenous

Definition of indigenous. 1 : produced, growing, living, or occurring natively or naturally in a particular region or environment indigenous plants the indigenous culture. 2 : innate, inborn. All humans migrated to this continent.

awteam2000

Post-Colombian, areas of heavily populated settlements of Europeans and African slaves in the Americas led to widespread deaths trough transmission of diseases that the indigenous populations weren’t immune, some times done intentionally. Many of the diseases, such as syphilis, smallpox, measles, mumps, and bubonic plague, were devastating... These diseases contributed to significantly lowering the Native American (indigenous people) populations.

DickD

It is believed that syphilis originated in S. America, aw. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_syphilis#cite_note-Orgin10-1 "This theory holds that syphilis was a New World disease brought back by Columbus, Martín Alonso Pinzón, and/or other members of their crews as an unintentional part of the Columbian Exchange. Columbus's first voyages to the Americas occurred three years before the Naples syphilis outbreak of 1495."



There is also some belief it existed in Europe but not recognized.

awteam2000

Interesting. But Columbus returned to the Azores, that’s over 2,000 miles from Naples, Italy. I would think his sailers and/or the indigenous people brought back with Columbus get around that much in 3 years then return to the Newland on his next voyage .

Btw, what ever happened to those indigenous people he brought back and presented Isabella? It seams more likely the infectious disease if brought to Europe from the new world, would have broken out in Madrid or somewhere else in Spain. But clearly the encounter was a component in the demise of American indigenous people.

awteam2000

Either way, syphillis was pretty devastating through sex on both continents. Five million in Europe died from the sexually transmitted illness. The Explorers may have brought back more then they bargained for and had long lasting effects from their exceptional libidos.

DickD

Not realizing the junk they were receiving was worthless or that the land was being given away forever. Today, we would call it a fraud.

MD1756

Dick, try reading about it. The Indians and Penn's (through their agents) negotiated deals (maybe not always from a strong position for the Indians). The tribes in PA (mostly under the control of the Five, later Six Nations (Iroqoius Confederacy) knew they were selling the land forever. In many, if not most other places, they lost the land through wars and land grabs, but the point was that not all US land was simply taken from the Indians. Have you never made a deal you regretted later? I think fraud is not the right term for most of the purchases in PA except for the "Walking Purchase" which the Penns and PA eventually paid more for the land. You may be interested in reading about Conrad Weiser. See: https://smile.amazon.com/Conrad-Weiser-1696-1760-Friend-Colonist/dp/1889037060/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=conrad+weiser&qid=1570749328&s=books&sr=1-6 It may be a 2018 pick by the amazon persoin but the book was published in 1996. Some of the earlier chapters are a little boring but overall the book is quite interesting. Being a former New Yorker yourself, you may particularly interested in the parts where he is in New York.

FCPS-Principal

Hahaha. "Today most immigrants entering our country are coming here illegally, breaking our laws to mostly receive and to give little to nothing to help America. Many of those illegal immigrants are coming here with illegal drugs and committing heinous crimes." Still spreading fear and lies about undocumented immigrants, huh? The first sentence describes every business owner in the country. Don't believe me? Just try to take a way any one of their many many tax breaks and listen to them howl!! Why, they are the ones that hire the undocumented workers in the first place!!! The second sentence is pure nonsense. We all know crimes here are committed by citizens, not undocumented workers. Just look at the FNP today: "Brunswick man charged with series of thefts from vehicles, attempted robbery." "FBI: Inmate is most prolific serial killer in US history." "Man charged in string of recent burglaries in Frederick" "Deputies: Lake Linganore man strangled woman in domestic assault." And of course our favorite "Anniversary of Las Vegas massacre renews gun control debate" It goes on and on and on. Crime by citizens is ATROCIOUS!!


KellyAlzan

William you do not know what “legally” means.







Wrongfully arresting an illegal immigrant is illegal.







The county andnsheriff losing A million dollar lawsuit is serious stuff.





gary4books

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