It didn’t end well.

Dishonorable criminals invaded the Capitol, leaving the rest of us to deal with the aftermath. The mob was not really anyone’s supporter. You have to support principles first and people second. The rioters were unprincipled; they didn’t represent anyone except themselves.

President Trump’s usually sound instincts failed him after the election including on that day. He forgot that when the score is being kept (game or election), right or wrong, the winner is decided when the buzzer sounds. The Houston Astros are the 2017 World Series champs. The Rams instead of the Saints moved on in 2019. Revisiting the particulars for a contest deemed decided is too much of a threat to the system. It is the American way. President Trump was too slow to understand that and here we are.

Still, the notion that President Trump provoked a violent riot or rebellion is ludicrous. “I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.” It is hard to interpret these words (his) as inciting an insurrection, but many are sure going to try.

Some of those many are going to want to punish some of you for daring to support the president’s policies. You are going to be asked to atone for your sins, to renounce your beliefs, to beg forgiveness.

I suggest you do none of those things. Your beliefs are developed by your life experiences, your traditions, and your private thoughts. No one is allowed to take those away. Even if you believe President Trump let you down in the end (leaders do that sometimes), you can take satisfaction (pride?) that you buttressed policies that did not start any unnecessary wars, helped secure the borders, helped negotiate fairer trade deals, weakened those who would destroy America, promoted prosperity, supported the military, police, and veterans, and brought life-saving vaccines to market at a record pace. There’s nothing wrong with that.

Move forward with a conciliatory attitude. Elected officials are subject to the same stresses as everyone else and they do their jobs best when they can work in a fair environment free from harassment. Such courtesies were often denied President Trump and it did take a toll. We can and should do better.

(84) comments

KellyAlzan

One down two to go. Trumpkins and MacSHAME

Awteam2021

He’s gone

threecents

💕🎈💕🎈☮🌈🌟❣😍

Greg F

Trump did to the office what he did to all the women who have charged him with various offenses. He grabbed it by the p**sy, molested it, abused and assaulted it, neglected it, lied about all of those things, beat and degraded it, and demeaned ever aspect about it. Then he lied about the whole thing and found a way to squirm out of it by pardoning everyone involved. What else did we expect? To me, nothing else.

FrederickFan

[thumbup]

francesca_easa

Mr. Butt, I agree on Trump's accomplishments. I would also add sending us back to space and getting NATO members to start paying their fair share. We got connected to talented folks like Powell, Mnuchin, Azar, Fauci and Birx. He failed on improving infrastructure, expanding environmental protections and most importantly taking the virus seriously. What is absolutely unforgivable is his behavior and bullying. These behaviors are never acceptable.

Just for the record - Fauci position goes back to the early 2000’s. He was rewarded the Medal of Freedom by Bush. And Birx was brought in under the Obama’s administration. Trump had nothing to do with their appointments. I’m not sure what the other three will claim their achievements were in this administration.

threecents

Fauci has been the pandemic guy since 1984, when he first became head of NIAID (National Institutes of Allergies and Infectious Diseases) and led the fight against AIDS. I remember Bush Sr praising him during a presidential debate.

francesca_easa

Sure. We knew something of Fauci but I never heard of Birx before this. Trump should have stepped out if the press briefings and let Pence, Azar, Adams, Fauci and Birx run everything.

threecents

Birx got burned out from the spotlight and is retiring.

gabrielshorn2013

That's truly unfortunate three. She is a very good scientist, and another talented administrator. She will be missed.

Hayduke2

Talented folks like Mnuchin - do you know his background? Hedge fund and wall street guy known as the " King of Foreclosures." I guess that is a talent. Who is the Powell you are referring to? Is it the nut job lawyer Sid Powell? How many of his talented folks had to resign? You really are in an alternative world.

francesca_easa

I am entitled to my opinions. I don't insult you for yours. Jerome Powell is who I was referring to.

Hayduke2

Sorry if you believe that I was insulting you. Not my intention but I also am entitled to respond to statements that aren't factual. BTW, look at how the Trump administration treated Powell - https://www.npr.org/2020/06/16/878032349/jerome-powell-has-the-most-humiliating-job-in-america

gabrielshorn2013

Come on hay, the rhetoric and tone of your 9:39 message was clearly condescending, and therefore purposely insulting. That bicycle has no reverse gears. Jerome Powell did a fine job at the Fed with monetary policy, irrespective how Trump treated him, and maybe in spite of it. What was it about Mnuchin's performance at the Treasury did you disagree with, and why? His past in Wall Street is not his performance in his current job (soon to resign at the pleasure of Joe Biden in favor of his nominee). Are you rated in your current job based on a previous job? No. Tony Fauci has been a household name in public health since his installation as the head of NIAID in 1984. He is a fine scientist and administrator, as is Dr. Birx; both of which I have had the pleasure of meeting. Alex Azar with his experience as a lawyer, lobbyist, and former CEO of Eli Lilly, was responsible for getting the bureaucracy out of the way, allowing Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, AstraZenica, NovaVax, and others to get the vaccine rapidly to market (under 9 months for something that literally takes many years otherwise). She also clearly said Our NATO allies are finally paying the amount that they originally pledged (2% of their respective GDP) when they joined NATO. We (the US taxpayers) were paying nearly 70% of NATO costs before that. Trump failed on his infrastructure promise, his commitment to the environment, and not taking the virus seriously. She also clearly pointed out his poor behavior, so I do not understand your response.

Hayduke2

Funny Gabe, your response coming from someone who regularly posts corrective and condescending comments. Mnuchin ended lending programs in an effort to handicap the incoming administration. As for his past, ask the 36000+ folks that he impacted with his forclosure policies. Nowhere did I critcize Fauci or Birx or Azar ( although there are some skeletons in his closet ) too. Glass houses bro!

Hayduke2

Where did your NATO response come from? And no, not all NATO countries are paying their 2% as you claim - in addition, our allies have a very different attitude toward the US thanks to Trump's administration. You went "off" in your response to my criticism of one individual, so again - glass houses bro!

gabrielshorn2013

LOL, condescending hay? no. Correcting? Guilty as charged, on topic with references included. Once again, Mnuchin’s performance on Wall Street is irrelevant to his performance as Treasury Secretary. Your reference to the 36,000 impacted by his foreclosure policies while working on Wall Street is irrelevant to his performance as Treasury Secretary, just as your performance in your previous job is irrelevant to your current performance as a teacher. God forbid that any of us be held accountable in perpetuity for our past. Not even Mother Theresa would withstand such scrutiny. What exactly did Mnuchin do, in his position as Treasury Secretary, to hamper the incoming administration? Never said you criticized Drs. Fauci, Birx,or Mr. Azar did I? Azar’s alleged skeletons in his closet from previous jobs are irrelevant to his performance as the HHS Secretary. All three had fine performances in their respective roles, which is what was in Francesca’s posting. I just agreed with her statements. No glass houses.

Hayduke2

Again, you can't recognize your own tendency to condescend in your responses. Calling it as I see it. And yes, you made several leaps and generalizations from my response. Sorry you can't see that. Have a good evening.

gabrielshorn2013

Oh for Pete’s sake hay. Not “going off” as you claim, and you are being overly sensitive to me agreeing with her statements. Merely pointing out that your criticism was unfair, and not based on what was written. As to the NATO comment, Francesca stated:.”…and getting NATO members to start paying their fair share.” I agreed with her, adding that our allies are finally beginning to pay that which they pledged when they joined NATO, which was targeted to be 2% of their GDP on defense. Look it up. That was the target in the original agreement they signed when they became members. If our allies took umbrage at our expectation that they “pay their fair share” in defense of their countries, and what they originally agreed to in writing, then so be it. Nobody said ”all of them were paying that amount now, but many are now approaching what would be considered “their fair share” to defend their countries under NATO. The US was paying the lion’s share of that cost. Was that fair to US taxpayers? No. Trump’s other despicable behavior towards our allies was not on topic. Still no glass houses.

References:

https://www.forces.net/news/world/nato-which-countries-pay-their-share-defence

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/03/each-nato-countrys-financial-contribution-to-the-military-alliance.html

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_67655.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO

Hayduke2

Again, you miss my point.. Where in the statement I replied to was NATO mentioned? Did I miss it ? And no, I'm not an overly sensitive guy but you did and continue to produce an outsized response to my comments. Hence the going off comment.

Hayduke2

Yes, Francesca mentioned NATO, but I did not. I was confused by the Powell statement and only took exception to Mnuchin ( who has the Wall Street approach and blocked several attempts at bipartisan responses to the Covid crisis. )

gabrielshorn2013

Apologies if you took offense hay. It was not my intention.

“White racism” created Trump. Then Trump emboldened the white racist to storm the Capitol and attack American Democracy for him.

public-redux

“It didn’t end well for President Trump”

It didn’t start well either. And then there was the well-below-average 4 years in between the beginning and the end.

Hayduke2

public - very good observation of the Trump presidency. [thumbup][thumbup]

lkl34

Great letter Mark. Thanks for highlighting some of the good accomplishments Trump did in office. Totally agree: he "buttressed policies that did not start any unnecessary wars, helped secure the borders, helped negotiate fairer trade deals, weakened those who would destroy America, promoted prosperity, supported the military, police, and veterans, and brought life-saving vaccines to market at a record pace." Let's hope the next administration can do half as well.

Hayduke2

They would have to do nothing to surpass the Trump administration.

francesca_easa

Let's give our new president a chance.

anInterestedPerson

Mark, don't go away sad, just go away

MRS M

Sad and so disappointing, Dr. Butt.

Greg F

A couple blatant disregards for truth off the bat in this author’s fudged letter: 1. “The mob was not really anyone’s supporter.” No, the”y were CLEARLY Trump supporters…vehement ones. 2. “President Trump’s usually sound instincts. Um…..no, he has never had these…he has had impulses like a toddler has that usually were like tantrums, and like the kid at the checkout wanting candy, screamed when he didn’t get it without thought of consequence. 3. “Many are going to want to punish some of you for daring to support the president’s policies.” What…you want him and his supporters to go free for insurrection, sedition, murder, and worse? We want Trump OUT, to stop the lies, to stop inciting a mob and passing disinformation around like candy at a parade to mental 8-year old followers. “You can take satisfaction (pride?)” Um….you should be lucky you still have a democracy after his 4 years, and as for pride, that’s one of your 7 deadly sins, right? The rest of the mantra you put out was the typical mis/disinformation diatribe of garbage put out regularly by Fox, Hannity, Limbacile, Drudge, NewsMax and remainder of the blind faithful faux patriots. The rationale for impeachment is starkly clear, and is why there are tens of thousands of soldiers now occupying the Capitol and all bridges into DC are closed. What we saw was an attempted coup with multiple crimes committed, insurrection and likely would have been worse had they actually found legislators in the chamber. Accountability is a dish that can take a long time to serve, if it is let to be served. The last impeachment didn’t get served, more than the platter dumped on the ground from a spoiled toddler in his high chair.

eyeball

Greg: You speak my mind, thank you!

FrederickFan

[thumbup][thumbup][thumbup]

matts853

And oh yeah....it ended worse for America.

MAGA!

clearview

No more apologists for Trump -- there was nothing questionable about the results of the election, and over 50 losing court suits have confirmed that. Trump's plans before the election were well known -- if he lost it was because of a rigged election. Supporters, like the writer, made all this possible and cannot pretend surprise that it did not end well. And, if the insurrectionists were not there at Trump's behest there tell me what was their motivation? Trump's accomplishments???? Where has the national government been to plan and execute a nation-wide distribution and vaccination program -- a national problem begging for a national solution, and Trump remains fixated on changing the results of the election. Your letter is directed at the wrong group -- Trump was denied courtesies "that did take a toll." Really. Just look at Trump's conduct the last year and there was nothing out of line in the last 2 months -- preoccupation with revenge and self enrichment.

matts853

A bunch of tripe from a Trumper who is clearly beyond rehabilitation.

chris

"Ludicrous?" Tell that to Mitch McConnell, of all people. “The mob was fed lies,” Mr. McConnell said, referring to attempts by Mr. Trump to overturn the election based on bogus claims of voter fraud. “They were provoked by the president and other powerful people. And they tried to use fear and violence to stop a specific proceeding of the first branch of the federal government which they did not like.” NYT January 19, 2021.

public-redux

It is now less than 10% of a single Scaramucci.

richardlyons

23 hours left in this debacle of a presidency. TG.

FrederickFan

"The mob was not really anyone's supporter".

Perhaps Mr. Butt overlooked the Trump flags, Trump hats, Trump shirts, Trump shouts, Trump rally rhetoric, Trump chants, Trump slogans, and tens of thousands of links to the Trump cult identified by the FBI and by law enforcement all across America.

What kind of corrupt, pathetic values allow you to support a disgusting, unqualified, narcissistic reality show buffoon for four destructive years of relentless attacks on American Democracy, and then try to deny everything when it all explodes at the end, endlessly lying about the election results, and inciting an infamous mob attack against our Nation's sacred capital, threatening the very foundations of our government, leaving five people dead?

Jim Hartley

"If it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably antifa trying to make ducks look bad."

mrnatural1

Good one Jim! [thumbup][cool]

threecents

That is the mindset that Trump validated for his supporters.

olefool

It was destined to be a flop for Trump, it always is for people who think they're entitled to plaudits when all they've done is eff things up. Trump, and his followers failed to read the etchings on the keystone to politics; "Abandon hope, all ye who enter here". Politics is hell, even Dante knew that.

eyeball

This letter is:

A) Full of mansplainy propaganda

B) Rife with a patronising tone of superiority and self-satisfied smugness

C) Hysterically funny in its suggestion that we go forth with a “conciliatory” attitude after a 2 1/2 month attempt on the part of half the electorate to steal MY vote for Joe Biden culminating in an attack on the Capitol building last week by a mob of white supremacists.

D) All of the above.

Hayduke2

jhickey - [thumbup][thumbup]

PurplePickles aka L&M

Mark Butt is trolling the Trump cultists.....lol

Trolling is the exploration of the contrary. It serves as a primer to ignite the stupidity lying dormant within the zeal of an ideology or proposition. A successful troll can be successful, by adopting a point of view contrary to their own and exploiting its weaknesses before a fellow proponent. A troll knows his enemy by trolling as his enemy.

Piedmontgardener

If this is satire, it's done to a T. But the problem is sometimes that inflection is missing in text.

gabrielshorn2013

ding, ding, ding! We have a winner! Dr. Butt is not stupid, and I can picture him writing this with tongue firmly planted in cheek (at least I hope so).

PurplePickles aka L&M

@Gabe

Nope he isn't stupid. I have been reading Mr. Butt's words for years and thought there is no way he would write these words in this way...he is too reasoned in his thinking to be thinking this way (at least I hope so)?

FrederickFan

Nah. He's just plain stupid.

FrederickFan

Butt seems entirely stupid to me. Remarkably stupid. Yet completely stupid seems to work too.

public-redux

25 hours, 37 minutes to go.

gabrielshorn2013

Dah DAH Dah duh Dah DAH duh...

Waltsun

I was surprised to read this. I used to enjoy Mark’s columns, I’m sorry to read that he has absorbed the smoke, mirrors and lies. Funny no mention of those, no mention of the degree he went to to deny the clear election results, results he started to deny months before the election! Heck he did the same shtick in 2016, except he shu up when he one the electoral vote ( he did win the popular vote in either election). No mention of his denial of the severity of COVID 19 and how screwed up the distribution of it has been due to his lackadaisical attitude and total lack of empathy and compassion for his constituents. No mention of his inability to rebuke white nationalists. I hope that Kool Aid tasted good Mark.

Dwasserba

"President Trump’s usually sound instincts..." Oh.

Hayduke2

Yeah, that one caught my attention too ! I hope this really isn't a viewpoint he has.

PurplePickles aka L&M

@hayduke

Me too, because it makes question everything I thought I knew, I don’t like having to relearn stuff I thought I knew...

Piedmontgardener

This was a very well written piece of sophistry - casually excusing open sedition on the electoral processes of the states isn't a life experience that American's share or venerate, Mr. Butt. Please reflect on that, rather than what easy walk away from it Trump supporters should choose as a result of their appreciation of certain policies.

threecents

Mark, I know that plausible deniability Trump quote helps you and your friends justify your misguided support for Trump, but the fact is that there are a dozen other Trump quotes - in addition to quotes from his lawyer and other supporters - that let to the insurrection, and the incitement is consistent with his behavior going back to his rallies before he was elected. If after all this time you and others are still falling for his rhetoric I understand my words are falling on deaf ears, but I still think of it as my duty to bear witness to the truth. Trump had many opportunities to prevent and even to stop the violence and at most of them he made the choice not to. To anyone who has followed his life over the decades, much less during the last four years, this was not a departure for him. Your failure to recognize that Trump won a fair and open election was also glaring. By comparing the election to the Astros cheating in the World Series, you failed yet again to see the obvious truth. There were dozens of court cases and state appeals and recounts, and they all confirmed the election results. As I have said before there is no path forward to uniting the country until that is generally accepted.

gabrielshorn2013

"Your failure to recognize that Trump won a fair and open election was also glaring."

Ummm...three? 🤔

threecents

OOOOps.Darn Freudian slip, right? Yikes.

DickD

If there's anything ridiculous it's this letter.

shiftless88

Let's be honest; Trump did not put up with any more harassment than most Presidents. And he dished out WAY more than most Presidents. The most thin-skinned POTUS in recent history.

Rick Blatchford

Can you possibly be even remotely serious?

shiftless88

Rick; I do not recall people disputing his actual citizenship and qualification to be President. Obama was hung in effigy many times. But look back all the way in history; many Presidents were harassed and harangued from the moment they started. Sure Trump got a lot of crap from people in general and the Press reported it, but he also had a compliant Congress. And Trump brought it on himself with his pugilistic and insulting tweets. What does he expect? And he is so thin skinned that he refuses to concede and refuses to take part in the customary (150 years!) ritual demonstrating the peaceful transition of power. What a thin-skinned egomaniac.

Hayduke2

Absolutely serious, how can you not be?

threecents

What other president dished even half as many insults as Trump?? None. Trump earned every insult he received.

Frayou

Trump has no one other than himself for his actions and the results. He forgot he was the president of the United States whom he was appointed by its people, rather than the president of a business.

pdl603

Mr. Butt, every US citizen has a basic right to question and pursue perceived wrongs through legal channels. In the case of the four states, there were irregularities in counting and voting. I applaud President Trump and the states that tried to get to the bottom of it. We will never know what happened and there is no appetite for trying to find out. That in itself speaks volumes.

public-redux

------->> (hahahahaha)

elmerchismo1

Actually we do know what happened. The results of the election just aren't in line with with your preconceptions and desires.

Greg F

Piddle, every state had multiple INDEPENDENT reviews that were bipartisan and confirmed multiple times. Your POS-TUS (for <24hrs now) lives in a fantasy land (as do you) that there are conspiracies and you both simply can't handle the truth. You surmise your loss as something other than the fact YOU DID NOT WIN legitimately by not just a few votes, but MILLIONS, and that there were 64 lost lawsuits should give you a clue that you aren't right here. You so fear being marginalized as a minority that you will do anything and say anything and accept anything that even slightly goes along with their beliefs. This is why there are palm readers and fortune tellers to take advantage of suckers like you. You'll believe almost anything and they know it. You and the others want your Andy Griffith days of yore all white and shiny back and that ain't gonna happen. YOU, CD, LEMMY, and the rest of the confederate flag-waiving morons lost in the 1800s and haven't yet figured that out, and that the south will not rise again no matter how badly you want your white world back. Sorry, it doesn't belong to just you and them, and the voters showed it didn't belong to Trumpy either and his cohorts in crime. You overlook every single fault ever in your wishful thinking pea-brain that you are willing to accept atrocities much like what led to Nazi Germany. This is where that sort of thinking leads. So, piddle, just go flake off and enjoy life with minorities. They are and will be the majority now and going forward. You better hope they treat you better than whitey treated them.

Brookhawk

They did get to the bottom of it. They reviewed over and over again. There was no widespread fraud. 60+ courts and Trump's own DOJ said so. But Trump pushes the lie to this day that there was. Trump is a liar and anti-American and doesn't deserve applause for anything.

threecents

Every election expert, every state, every recount, and every court confirmed the election results, and it was not particularly close, yet polls still show half of Republicans still think there was massive election fraud. How can there be a path forward when so many come to crazy conclusions? Is crazy curable? Do some people recover from crazy? Yah, it is possible, and hopefully it does not take decades.

saogirl52

Trump knew way before the election that there was a good chance that he was going to lose. So he planted the seed that there would be massive fraud because mail-in votes couldn't and shouldn't be trusted. The man is a master of manipulation, no doubt. His fervent fans took the bait. His protests that "I can't have lost Georgia", "I won by a landslide", and that "thousands of fraudulent ballots cast by dead people" just isn't evidence of a crime...no matter how mant times he says it. Recount after recount and 60 court cases found no evidence of large scale fraud that could swing the election to Trump. I cannot understand the hold Trump has over his followers that has caused them to still flat-out reject the facts right in front of their faces.

I know, from past experience, that it hurts to be lied to, and worse to be lied to by someone i believed in. I felt stupid to have fallen for some malarkey that I wanted to be true so badly. But, at some point, I had to face reality and move on. I did, definitely wiser and less gullible. Trump's fan base needs to do the same.

Hayduke2

Show me ONE good example that is fact based that there were irregularities in counting and voting. I'll wait for your reasoned and factual response pdl...

Hayduke2

Still waiting pdl...

chris

"In the case of the four states, there were irregularities in counting and voting." No there wasn't. The irregularities are in the thought processes of Trump and his flock. And it's those processes that led to the ultimate act of indecency: an attack on the Capitol, intending to overturn the election results. Shame on everyone involved, to the very top.

public-redux

32 hours to go.

Greg F

>23....tick tock....the rat ran down the clock.

gabrielshorn2013

Cue the "Jeopardy" music!

threecents

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