The results of the audit of the 287(g) program were published July 17 and the headline “Audit: Program costs sheriff’s office no more than $21,400 annually” seemed designed to make it seem like the program is a good thing for Frederick.

The reality is that it is costing taxpayers only $21,400 extra, assuming normal overtime. Or $79,041 assuming overtime is primarily due to ICE training. But that’s not the real story.

The 287(g) program costs money to operate. But the idea is that those expenses are offset by monies paid for each person detained. In order to make money, you need to detain people. This means stopping anyone who is a person of color and making them prove that they are citizens. Basic harassment.

On a typical day, the Frederick County Detention Center holds 51 undocumented immigrants who earn the county more than $4,000 a day from their cells. Eighty percent were detained for nonviolent and minor offenses, mostly minor traffic violations.

How many people were stopped and harassed in order to get those 51? And what happens if you harass the wrong person? They can sue you. Frederick has already had to pay a large settlement for exactly that in the case of Roxana Orellana Santos, who was arrested for eating lunch at her place of work.

This is not a singular event. There are other cases in the works that could cost much more. Our sheriff thinks this program is good for our community. It certainly fits in with his views. Since his election, Jenkins has spoken at “Take America Back” rallies and Tea Party events, and traveled to the U.S.-Mexico border with funds from the ultra-right anti-immigration group FAIR.

However, data shows that this program makes communities much more unsafe. People become afraid to come forward and help the police when real crimes have happened because of the fear of profiling and harassment. So, bigger crimes go unpunished. It can also be a huge liability for communities where overeager policing leads to large settlements.

Should we be doing a happy dance because we are not paying as much in extra taxes as we thought? I, for one, am just saddened that this is how we choose to spend our tax money and I’m concerned about the cost of settlements and the need to harass our citizenry in order to avoid losing even more money.

Cecilia Plante

Frederick

(64) comments

KR999

"This means stopping anyone who is a person of color and making them prove that they are citizens. Basic harassment." When I got to this line of BS I knew there was no reason to read any further. I wonder how much her drama queen lessons were?

NewMarketParent

@KR999

I stopped reading when words hurt ma brain.... FTFY

awteam2000

What I feel most uncomfortable about is Jenkins seem to have a “hard on” minorities especially Hispanics. When the vast Majority in Frederick are committed by none minorities. Frederick County has a unique problem with barbiturates , specifically

NewMarketParent

@awteam2000

But instead of dealing with the opioid epidemic, he gets the 'DEY TERK ER JERBS' crowd riled up with going after brown folks.

It is leadership by distraction.

MD1756

The writer states "This means stopping anyone who is a person of color and making them prove that they are citizens. "

Why does the FNP publish blatant lies without at least a warning to the readers who may think the lie is true. The current agreement (which has been in place for years) allows only for immigration status questions once one is in jail for another reason. The writer's logic for hauling people in just to get money for their detention is illogical since more people would not be illegal immigrants than are illegal immigrants unless the writer is suggesting that illegal immigrants commit potential crimes at a much higher rate than everyone else.

KellyAlzan

Guess you don’t know who Roxie Santos is.

gabrielshorn2013

Thank you for perfectly proving my point below Kelly. Santos and your alleged friend on the scooter (reference never provided) happened more than 12 years ago in a program that ceased to exist over a decade ago. Anything more recent?

gabrielshorn2013

Yeah, sure you did. I guess you missed the following, "The current agreement (which has been in place for years) allows only for immigration status questions once one is in jail for another reason." He was clearly talking about the current program.

gabrielshorn2013

Plumbum, Plumbum, Plumbum, tsk, tsk, tsk. Can't talk about the 287g program without lying, can you. For shame. Your little incoherent tirade here was weak. So, your age allows you to shade the truth, make stuff up, and outright lie? Got it. Time to grow up Pb.

gabrielshorn2013

Oh, and Pb, my initials are GS, not GH. My name is Gabriel, but you can call the Gabe.

KR999

Gabe, you know by now it's a waste of time proving facts to Plumbum. Her hatred for the sheriff combined with her love for illegal aliens will never allow her to either accept them, or admit that she's wrong 95% of the time. Which she is.

MD1756

As I pointed out to you before, that is old news under the old program, so no need to try to mislead people.

KellyAlzan

But relevant

gabrielshorn2013

Not relevant under the current program whatsoever.

MD1756

Kelly, that I don't believe that comment is relevant and worse, you are intentionally misleading people with your comments on an old agreement that no longer exists in Frederick. You could put in your comment "this is what happened 12 years ago under the old agreement." That would make it accurate, and then anyone reading your comment can determine its relevance.

KR999

Plumbum, you still insist on referencing Santos even after making a total fool out of yourself regarding her. Are you really too ignorant to learn from that?

bosco

Santos wasn't "stopped". She saw the officers and bolted. That screams GUILTY of something.

[ninja]

awteam2000

MD 1756, I though these are “letters to the editor”, views, opinion pieces, doesn’t this section of the paper make that warning clear, views and opinions. Or do you need guidance in what‘s the meaning of views and opinion? Next week you can send your “letter to the editor” expressing you views. Right? Give it a shot, your “ blatant lies without at least a warning”. Or just whimper on the sideline without a rebottle.🤷‍♂️

MD1756

Aweteam, have any view you want but when stating something as a fact (even in an opinion piece) it should be accurate. For example the writer could have said that they believe the 287g program is morally wrong. That is their opinion and it is not likely they are lying about their opinion, and for them, their opinion is not wrong. However, no one is stopping anyone in Frederick now under the 287g program and require that they prove they are citizens, that is simply wrong and misleading to readers. If one is going to write a LTE they should at least research their facts, then they can state all the opinions they want about the program. FNP should at least identify when something is factually incorrect (just as should be done when the President tweets something other than opinions).

NewMarketParent

@MD1756

This is a letter to the editor. I have seen numerous ones have factual inaccuracies and typically papers don't specifically fact check them. If they did, 99% of the conservative junk here wouldn't exist...

But, you can keep railing because you don't like the content, or brown people. That's what it really is that you don't want to say out loud.

yogib

Excellent letter. As the weeks go by it has become clearer that having an outdated Sheriff structure should be history. We need a professional modern -led County Police that provides the officers opportunities to truly serve the community and no longer need to be led by a bully politician who could not even be hired in other jurisdictions.

You would think that he would be embarrassed enough to appear in so called law-enforcement events, when he has no idea what they are talking about unless they say "gun." or some racial slur.

DickD

You forgot to add that the average immigrant has been in the U.S. 17 years, non documented 15 years. Those separated leave behind young children the County has to support, jobs unfilled and some own businesses. It also hurts police work as ALL immigrants are hesitant to seek police help or help the police.

gabrielshorn2013

No, it doesn't, dick. It only applies to those that are arrested for serious misdemeanors (such as robbery, theft, DUI) and felonies. Try again.

DickD

You are trying to tell me that family members of those arrested will cooperate with the police after their families are destroyed? Get real, Gabe

gabrielshorn2013

Come on Dick, why would immigrant families be different than any others? Are citizen's families not affected by domestic violence,

assault, murder, etc? When it comes to criminal activity, some will refuse to cooperate with law enforcement, while others will cooperate. No accounting for the reasons, they are myriad. Reality, dick. Join it.

awteam2000

Not only won’t families report crime or cooperate, but whole communities. Unfortunately police aren’t seen as “caretakers” of the community but “overseers”, targeted to keep “those” different in-line.

A recent article in the Frederick news Post recognized a school officer a School Resource Officers (SROs) being hugged by an African-American student. She is well liked in the school. That’s great! What made it news worthy was it seems to be the exception to the rule, not the norm.

Rightfully or wrongfully, most kids and their parents in minority communities are afraid of police. They are not seen as caretakers but as overseers, only looking for finding their wrongs. They fear the police. That leads to more law breaking.

The celebration over a routine audit only demonstrates the support for policing that oversees certain communities, not for their protection, not for their will being, but they are strangers and all suspected of criminal act and most be overseen.

DickD

Aw below believes me. [lol]

NewMarketParent

@gabrielshorn2013

Stop being intentionally obtuse. You know darn well that people who feel targeted by law enforcement are less likely to call on law enforcement.

gabrielshorn2013

Oh, absolutely agreed NMP that people who feel targeted won’t cooperate. Feeling targeted, and being targeted is not the same thing. My point above is still valid. People affected by criminal activity often will not cooperate with police for a myriad of reasons, including fear of retaliation from the offender. If you knew anything about the 287g program, you would know that even if a person told an officer that they were undocumented, there is not a darn thing that officer can do about it. Even if they show a driver’s license clearly meant for undocumented immigrants, the officer can do nothing, and rightfully so. The only time someone can be exposed to the 287g program is to be arrested for committing an arrest-able misdemeanor (2nd degree assault and up, DWI, Theft of under $1,000, etc.) or a felony. That’s it. And as I stated below, the state police, city police, and local police all send people to the detention center after arrest, and some of those people were deported. Everyone that goes to the detention center goes through the same process. Everyone.

KellyAlzan

I love for the FNP commenters this they (individually) know everything and that no other commenters know anything.

Dick is correct. There HAVE been illegal immigrants arrested under non-felony crimes and deported under 287. I know firsthand of it happening.

People think that because they’re immigrants, none of the county citizens will know what took place. And they’re wrong to believe that way.

I’ve shared stories of specific events. On the comments here. And have been attached, and have been demanded to show proof. Then, the same ones shooting the messenger , are the same ones telling everyone else they’re wrong.

Yes. There have been immigrants deported under 287. Who were arrested in Frederick county for non felonies. Believe me or don’t believe me, I don’t care.

gabrielshorn2013

Sure you care Kelly, because you always comment on the issue, and bring up instances that are more than a decade old. Santos and your friend on the scooter were from over 12 years ago. Are the state police, city police, and local police all in on the conspiracy? They all send people to the detention center after arrest, and some of those people were deported. Everyone that goes to the detention center goes through the same process. Everyone. Give one example of what you claim, that happened within the last decade.

gabrielshorn2013

Oh, BTW Kelly, 2nd degree assault, theft of under $1000, DWI, and reckless driving, etc. are misdemeanors. Should those peeps not be arrested?

awteam2000

Gabe, I think so. So is not wearing a mask in a business is misdemeanor and yet threatening many.

KellyAlzan

2nd attempt without typos:

I love how the FNP commenters they (individually) know everything and think that no other commenters know anything.

Dick is correct. There HAVE been illegal immigrants arrested under non-felony crimes and deported under 287 in Frederick county. I know firsthand of it happening.

People think that because they’re immigrants, none of the county citizens could possibly know what took place. And they’re wrong to believe that way. I’ve shared stories of specific events. On the comments here. And have been attacked, and have been demanded to show proof. Then, the same ones shooting the messenger , are the same ones telling everyone else they’re wrong. Yes. There have been immigrants deported under 287. Who were arrested in Frederick county for non felonies. Believe me or don’t believe me, I don’t care.

MD1756

Once again Kelly, the one example you provided (in the past) was a long time ago and under the old program. Please cite any current examples under the existing program. If any have happened under the current program, the law enforcement officer should be disciplined up to and including termination.

phydeaux994

How do you know what happens to illegal aliens Kelly, once they are taken from the Detention Center by ICE to face a Federal Judge? Even if the Federal Judge gives them a Deportation Order, they have to wait for a year or more for a Deportation Hearing and are released back into the community to wait during which time they can disappear into the sunset and never show up to their Deportation Hearing. How could you know what happens to them?? Not being a wise guy, serious question. Thanks

Blueline

Well then, you are probably wild about the new Chief Equity Officer position created, which will cost the taxpayers somewhere ~ $165K/yr. in salary & benefits.

Lemmy

A total waste of time and money.

NewMarketParent

@Lemmy

And you seem to be a complete waste of carbon and oxygen, but here we are.

pdl603

Come to west Frederick to live and then tell me why we don’t need the 287g.

KellyAlzan

How bout you explain it to us?

NewMarketParent

@KellyAlzan

He won't because he can't do it in such a way that doesn't use dog whistles or coded racist language.

DickD

You want us to see the nice new school, Butterfly Ridge or make us jealous about your being close to Aldi with the prospect of Ildi? Okay, we are jealous, now what?

gabrielshorn2013

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/md/frederick/crime

https://maps.frederickcountymd.gov/Html5Viewer/Index.html?configBase=http://maps.frederickcountymd.gov/Geocortex/Essentials/REST/sites/CrimeMapping_AW/viewers/Crime_Mapper/virtualdirectory/Resources/Config/Default

https://www.cityoffrederickmd.gov/484/Crime-Stats

phydeaux994

The 287(g) Program in place allows interrogation of EVERY person as to their Immigration status AFTER they have been arrested for a “crime” and are booked into the Detention Center. Arresting Officers cannot question anyone as to their Immigration status and arrest them for being in the U.S. illegally. That would be considered “profiling” and is illegal. Officers may not stop someone based on their appearance and arrest them on some bogus charge and book them into the Detention Center to inquire about their Immigration status.

KellyAlzan

Except they have

gabrielshorn2013

Citation for that?

bosco

Thank you, Fido. Perfect reply. [thumbup][ninja]

DickD

There are three forms of agreements. Task, the ones arrested or a hybrid of the two. Now you can only interrogate the ones arrested and the MOA's have been modified.

gabrielshorn2013

Your point dick? The FCSO only questions those arrested by the state police, city police, town police and FCSO, and takes place atthe jail after booking. This is the same treatment that each and every person arrested is subject to. Each and every one.

DickD

I was responding to phy's comment.

KellyAlzan

Pretty heavy with the trolling of Dick today, huh?

phydeaux994

Actually DickD, this 287(g) Program has been in place since the beginning, ~2008 or so. Originally there were two separate 287(g) Programs, this one and the Law Enforcement Task Force Program which did allow trained Deputies to inquire about a persons Immigration status. Problem was, Sheriff Jenkins told ALL of his Deputies to do that, despite the ICE Rules. That’s how the Santos case came about, those two Deputies were not part of the Program. But Sheriff Jenkins refused to abide by the Rules and ICE politely kicked the FCSO out of the Program in 2012. BTW, many jurisdictions in the Task Force Program were also using it to profile immigrants and ICE shut that Program down shortly after. It is no longer used.

KellyAlzan

Exactly!

gabrielshorn2013

Ummm,,,that was under the program that ended a decade ago Pb. It does not, and has not happened since...unless you have evidence to the contrary. How about it?

phydeaux994

There is another case similar to the Santos case which happened about a year ago, July 11, 2019. Madrano vs. Jenkins....... https://www.localdvm.com/news/i-270/lawsuit-alleging-racial-profiling-by-frederick-county-sheriffs-office-moves-forward/

gabrielshorn2013

Thanks for the reference phy. I remember when that happened, and was reported here in the FNP. I'm looking forward to hearing the facts, because as of right now, it's a "he said, she said". If it turns out that the deputy violated policy, he should be disciplined. It should be noted that it was a roadside stop, and she was free to leave without being arrested. As for the tail light being out, I had a similar incident several years ago in Middletown Park while dropping my son off to coach a summer youth soccer camp. My tail light was out, but it was a loose bulb. I was given a repair order even though I fixed it right then and there. I had to drive to the Sheriff's office and demonstrate that it was fixed. Was I profiled? Who knows.

gabrielshorn2013

Thank you for the correct description of the 287g program phy. One note, if folks went to the PPT presentation on the FCSO website, they would see that the the 287g detainees are arrested by the State police, Frederick City police, towns with their own police such as Brunswick, Mount Airy, etc., as well as the FCSO.

DickD

Arrested yes, but they don't have a agreement to detain and work with ICE.

MD1756

And we all know that cooperation between law enforcement agencies is a bad thing? Is that what you are suggesting Dick? Maybe the FBI should stop cooperating with local authorities on other cases because, for example, someone's father may be kept in jail?

phydeaux994

Don’t forget DickD, the FCSO has two distinct separate parts, the Corrections Bureau and the Law Enforcement Bureau. The 287(g) Program in place now has always been an agreement between ICE and the Corrections Bureau. Originally there was also an agreement between ICE and the Law Enforcement Bureau called the 287(g) Law Enforcement Task Force Program. It was that Program that got in trouble and was discontinued in 2012. The two 287(g) Programs had nothing to do with each other. This 287(g) Corrections Program has existed all along with no problems at all.

phydeaux994

True. In fact, I believe that is the case with the majority of those booked into the Detention Center.

NewMarketParent

@phydeaux994

It's worse that. They are hiding their pipeline through Frederick City. They are doing that specifically so they can dodge the appearance of profiling. Their metrics show that most of the arrests that end up in their program come from Frederick City. There is a reason for that. They want to dodge accountability.

gabrielshorn2013

Well, that may be your opinion, NMP. Have you looked at the crime maps for Frederick County MD? Where does the lion’s share of the crime take place in Frederick County? Frederick City. Frederick County Government publishes several tools where you can do some research into crimes, neighborhoods, etc.

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/md/frederick/crime

https://maps.frederickcountymd.gov/Html5Viewer/Index.html?configBase=http://maps.frederickcountymd.gov/Geocortex/Essentials/REST/sites/CrimeMapping_AW/viewers/Crime_Mapper/virtualdirectory/Resources/Config/Default

https://www.cityoffrederickmd.gov/484/Crime-Stats

One note, if folks went to the PPT presentation on the FCSO website, they would see that the 287g detainees are arrested by the State police, Frederick City police, towns with their own police such as Brunswick, Mount Airy, etc., as well as the FCSO.

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