The 2016 election has indeed proven to be unique and has provided much shock to the political “experts,” but not to the voters.

On both sides the so-called front-runners find themselves in a great deal of trouble. For the Democrats, Hillary Clinton is fighting the same obstacle to her securing the nomination for 2016 as she did in 2008: herself. She needed a focus group to make her say she was “sorry” for lying and violating federal law.

Once again the voters are seeing Hillary lie, parse words, make excuses and ignore questions dealing with her honesty and integrity. Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders, a self-professed socialist, is promising “free” health care, “free” college for all, guaranteed employment and a “living wage.” Now how he intends to pay for these goodies — well, that has yet to be explained. Of course, Sanders is on the record saying he considers a top marginal tax rate of 90 percent as not high.

The left is upset as a growing number of Democrats feel they are entitled to more of other people’s money, and folks like me who are still lucky enough to have a job will simply have to pay more in taxes to pay for their wants and desires. Their sentiment is, just because I earned my money does not mean I am entitled to keep it.

The folks on the right are fed up with electing Republicans who promise A, B and C, and go to D.C. and do nothing but make excuses why they cannot deliver. They are not even passing bills, putting them on Obama’s desk to veto. It is like they do not want to be unpopular with the D.C. cocktail circuit. They refuse to stand up to Obama and his constant circumventing of the U.S. Constitution.

This is why Donald Trump, Ben Carson and Carly Fiorina are doing well right now. Jeb Bush? Nice guy, but he has all the charisma of a 50-pound bag of fertilizer. The voters are tired of sending folks to D.C. and then being told they do not matter for wanting to enforce existing immigration law and being lectured how they are racist, or for opposing Obama’s Iran deal and be accused of being warmongers. For wanting to cut the budget, they are warned about being selfish. For wanting to uphold traditional marriage, they are tagged as homophobic.

Trump and Sanders can pack tens of thousands into an arena for a speech; meanwhile, Bush and Clinton draw hundreds. But we are told that neither Trump nor Sanders is a viable candidate.

One could say this is the real Obama legacy.

Terry Weddle

Hagerstown

(142) comments

herbie

So Gary, do you have an answer to my question? At what point does someone attain the libs quest to paying their fair share?

50%? 60%? Or as Bernie says 90%?

public-redux

I'm curious why you restrict your question to income. Why omit transaction and wealth taxes?

herbie

Taxes are taxes. I have been waiting for about 20 years for a lib to give a straight answer to such a simple question.

However if I could work my will I would scrap the entire tax code and have a 10% flat tax with no deductions.

If you make $10,000 or $10 million you pay 10% to the Feds and that is it. That money would have to be enough for DC to cover their budget. if it is not then they must cut the FAT that infects the entire budget and all departments

The bright side is workers would see nice pay raise as most of those payroll deductions would cease as workers would see ONE deduction from the pay to cover Federal taxes

public-redux

I prefer the lowest possible tax rates. Which implies the broadest possible tax base. Which means that any tax system that relies upon a single type of tax (income or transaction or wealth) will have a higher tax rate than a tax system that relies upon multiple types of taxes. It also stands to reason that exemptions and exceptions should be minimized if not eliminated.

public-redux

Also, sallyforth gave you a straight answer below although I don't know if he or she counts as a lib in your book.

herbie

Oh Sally is a lib, and yes while she answered the question she also confirmed what I always knew about the left. Confiscate as much of private sector wealth as possible form the earners and give to those they deem more worthy of the money then the people who earned it

Punishing achievement is what lefties are all about

herbie

Why are libs so obsessed with trying to make the poor richer by maker the richer poorer? It seems for the last 30 years I have seen libs constantly punishing success and achievement

The left loves and adores Lizzy Warren yet she is in the .1% of the top 1%. She made a killing on Wall Street and a fortune on flipping foreclosed homes

Seems the left loves the rich as long as they are liberal and do not want others to make money the same way they did

gary4books

The concept of tax rates seem to say 90% would take 90% of everything a person earns. However marginal rates are different. In the history of the USA 90% rates were marginal. Or, as Wikipedia writes-

"

A marginal tax rate refers to the tax rate an individual would pay on one additional dollar of income.[1][2][3] Thus, the marginal tax rate is the tax percentage on the last dollar earned. In the United States in 2013, for example, the highest marginal tax rate was 39.6%, applying to earnings over $400,000. Earnings under $400,000 that year had a lower tax rate of 33% or less.[4]

The marginal tax rate on income can be expressed mathematically as follows:


\frac{\Delta t}{\Delta i}

where t is the total tax liability and i is total income, and ∆ refers to a numerical change. In accounting practice, the tax denominator in the above equation usually includes taxes at federal, state, provincial, and municipal levels. Marginal tax rates are applied to income in countries with progressive taxation schemes, with incremental increases in income taxed in progressively higher tax brackets."

Does this help anyone? Or is everyone clear?

herbie

What you left out was very few people actually paid that amount of tax. I understand the left are greedy and suffer from an extreme case of wealth envy. They punish success via the tax code and that is one reason why the US economy is growing a meager 2%

herbie

Hey Dickie, perhaps you will become the first lib to answer a simple question no other liberal has.

At what point does someone pay their "fair share" in taxes? Is it 50% of their income? 60%?

I know people who own their own business, or own rental properties and they are not rich. But according to the left they are based on their income. They never consider their expenses, and the huge amount of taxes they are already paying. And like me, they hear them sneer how they need to pay more

Meanwhile there are many of the left who bellow the same talking points, but when they are busted for not paying heir taxes - the left and liberal media are silent

It never seems to consider to libs like you Dickie DC does not have a revenue problem they have a huge spending issue

Sallyforth

The tax on a company or individual that has a profit of $1 million dollars a year should be 33%, an individual/company that is profiting in excess of $10 million dollars a year should be 53%, an individual/company that is profiting in excess of $100 million dollars a year should be 73%, an individual/company that is profiting in excess of $1 billion dollars a year should be 83%. Does that answer your question?

herbie

and how did you arrive at those numbers?

Do you really believe that anyone or any company would continue work to grow, hire, and generate profit knowing that 53 or 73 cents of every dollar earned goes to DC? Not including the portion that would to state and local governments?

Glen Shiel

You'll notice that she consistently says "should be." I doubt that these are actual stats, but more what a liberal feels the percentages "should be."

anony936

Wow,
A lot of venom! Not many facts.

olefool

“Might one not say that in the chance combination of nature's production, since only those endowed with certain relations of suitability could survive, it is no cause for wonder that this suitability is found in all species that exist today? Chance, one might say, produced an innumerable multitude of individuals; a small number turned out to be constructed in such fashion that the parts of the animal could satisfy its needs; in another, infinitely greater number, there was neither suitability nor order: all of the later have perished; animals without a mouth could not live, others lacking organs for reproduction could not perpetuate themselves: the only ones to have remained are those in which were found order and suitability; and these species, which we see today, are only the smallest part of what blind fate produced.”
― Pierre-Louis Moreau De Maupertuis

vicdavy

52 and counting herbie[beam] Not a single fact in all of them,[thumbdown]

FrederickVeteran

I will never look at blacks the same after Obama knowing now that they are just as capable as whites., Obama like Jesse Owens has debunked centuries of cultural conditioning.

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herbie

Congrats Vic those night classes are paying off!!!

And I bet you counted everyone of those posts all by yourself

FrederickVeteran

Obama's real legacy is totally dispelling the widely held perception of white intellectual superiority, like most Americans before the Kenyan Muslim took office I had my reservations if he could ever repair an economy devastated by white republican shenanigans and greed.

herbie

FV - Fredericks version of Rev Al has spoken again folks!!

vicdavy

[beam][thumbup] FV, In my experience the non-white people I have known are intellectually superior to most whites. Now, when I was in Europe I would say that most,regardless of skin color, are better educated and more intelligent then Americans. Most of them are multilingual and much more open-minded.

olefool

Well the clown car derby passed by last night, and it was a double header too. Problem is none of them could tell the truth about their experiences, except we now know Jeb was a pot smoker. Here's a real eye opener on the veracity of the clowns: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2015/09/17/fact-checking-the-second-round-of-gop-debates/ I expect herbie/Terry will have a lot to say about the Dems this morning.

The Nationals-Phillies game was much more entertaining as the Nats rang up 12 runs and Gio pitched like a demon possessed.

herbie

I did not know Hillary finally agreed to have a debate. Oh the invite was emailed to everyone that's why

DickD

Herbie, if you didn't get one, there must be a reason.

herbie

Hey Blue, here is latest on Bernie's handouts and the cost:


His agenda includes an estimated $15 trillion for a government-run health-care program that covers every American, plus large sums to rebuild roads and bridges, expand Social Security and make tuition free at public colleges.

To pay for it, Mr. Sanders, a Vermont independent running for the Democratic nomination, has so far detailed tax increases that could bring in as much as $6.5 trillion over 10 years, according to his staff.

A campaign aide said additional tax proposals would be offered to offset the cost of some, and possibly all, of his health program. A Democratic proposal for such a “single-payer” health plan, now in Congress, would be funded in part through a new payroll tax on employers and workers, with the trade-off being that employers would no longer have to pay for or arrange their workers’ insurance.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/price-tag-of-bernie-sanders-proposals-18-trillion-1442271511

So we already $6 trillion in the hole with Bernie and he is still far to go.

BTW his home state of VT tried to set up a single payer system and gave up due to the cost. What makes Bernie think the Feds could do better?

Oh the state has to balance its budget that's the difference

DickD

No, Herbie, we are going to raise your taxes to compensate, so there will be no deficit. That should make you happy and I certainly understand why you are worried about Bernie, after last night's debate.

public-redux

I really am wondering if Trump is running interference for the Dems.

DickD

You just now started to believe that? I know I have posted it here two or three times, I never had a doubt, Trump is no Republican, racist yes, but some racists are not Republican.

public-redux

Yes, I've posted it on here a few times myself. And, yes, I'm just now thinking the evidence is accumulating enough to tentatively begin to accept the hypothesis.

herbie

You always seem to pull the race card from the bottom of the deck Dickie regardless of the topic

GMrT

Herbie is on fire today. I guess spontaneous combustion is a real concern after getting the Rush injection.

public-redux

I think Trump is popular for the same reason as Sanders: promising lots of free goodies without bothering to explain how he will pay for them.

Compare that to Scott Walker, who has proposed taxing employer contributions for health insurance, and John Bush, who has suggested dramatically restricting stuff like mortgage interest deductions. Great small government ideas but it isn't winning them any support amongst the rank and file.

public-redux

"...Sanders is on the record saying he considers a top marginal tax rate of 90 percent as not high."

Not quite an accurate paraphrase. Sanders said that a 90% top marginal rate wasn't "too high", which is rather different than "not high".

phydeaux994

I went back to the debate for a few minutes. I realized that except for Pataki they all sound like herbie.

herbie

Must have been a massive shock to you Mr. Republican

Republicans sounding like Republicans


phydeaux994

That's why there will not be a Republican President elected in 2016.

herbie

Like you were going to vote for a Republican anyway. It has been proven time and time again, you are the type of Republican that is welcomed at DNCTV with open arms

Chris Matthews would call you a "smart" Republican

phydeaux994

herbie, I can only vote for Republicans in the primary or don't you know that? I will vote for John Kasich in the primary and the General Election if he makes it that far and has a reasonable running mate. Otherwise I will vote for Donald Trump in the primary and the Democratic candidate in the General Election. The rest of the GOP candidates are slim pickin's.

herbie

Thanks for the confirmation Mr RINO

NTW you have a job at DNCTC anytime you want it.

DickD

I liked Carson, very pleasant man. Carly is no fool, Trump is Trump, Bush is like it says above; " Nice guy, but he has all the charisma of a 50-pound bag of fertilizer."

herbie

I suspect you said that out of pure racism

DickD

Racism? Carson is black, I am white, you call that racism? Oh, never mind, you are a right wing Republican and never would understand.

herbie

Dickie, if anyone fails to support Obama they are tagged a racist - why not do the same for Dr Carson?

After all the man came from poverty to become a brilliant brain surgeon. He is highly educated, and very articulate

Why would anyone NOT support him except out of racism?

olefool

Gotta go, the clown car show is coming on. 4 know nothings going to debate nothing about nothing..... Best comedy act in the state. Only thing missing to make this hilarious is herbie and terry...

herbie

At least the R's are having debates

The DNC is doing all they can to protect Hillary. after all the bet everything on her and have nobody in the bullpen

DickD

Maybe we can get them on a show, sponsored by FNP.

herbie

Hillary would love to show up as long as she does not have to answer questions

FrederickVeteran

The truth is Obama has done more for white Americans in 7 years than the GOP has done for white Americans in 27 years. The only white Americans who haven't prospered under Obama are rappers, slackers and Trump supporters.

herbie

Yep, he has

More white folks, unemployed. Taken down to PT work thanks to Obamacare. More white vets dead while waiting for care at the VA. More whites on food stamps. More whites targeted by the IRS under his gal Lois Learner.

Yea FV Obama has really transformed America like he said he would

phydeaux994

You are better off today than you were 7 years ago herbie. You have prospered during the Obama Administration. President Obama will be remembered as a good President under difficult circumstances.

armillary

That's for sure. Seven years ago he lost his house and skedaddled to Arizona.

herbie

Spoken like a true Republican PH

40 million on food stamps

Doubled the national debt with a year to go

The only credit downgrade in our history

Record bankruptcies and foreclosures

The wage gap libs whine about increased dramatically under Obama

Yea PH I am not surprised you think Obama did a good job given the type of Republican you really are

phydeaux994

herbie, are YOU better off than you were 7 years ago? Didn't you buy a new house during the Obama administration? A couple new cars? Go to Disney World? It's been good times for you hasn't it? Quit trying to change the subject.

herbie

You must have me confused with one of your "republican friends" PH

Or else you are blatantly lying

Only you know which one

(there is not a third option)

phydeaux994

Wow, you must have done better than I had imagined. Won't own up to how well off you really are under the Obama Presidency. You are desperate to change the subject. And actually my Republican and Democratic friends have done well with President Obama in charge. BTW, you're not watching the loser debate? I started to but then I remembered Sponge Bob was on.

herbie

You did get one thing right. You IMAGINED

If you were under oath you perjured yourself

DickD

You don't remember the thousands losing their jobs daily, as Bush left office?
Short memories makes good Republicans.

herbie

Yea Dick Obama is doing so good his approval number is in the mid to low 40's

The main reason for the drop in unemployment is millions have given up looking for work in this "recovery" and most new jobs are part time jobs

Yea, things are going so well these days in Obamaville

DickD

Millions had no choice with Bush as President, they were fired.

herbie

and tens of millions under Obama. Millions more want full time work but can't get it. Wages stuck, and the GDP less then 2%. Yea what a sizzling economy Dickie

Perhaps Obama colud sign an executive order decreeing not to count anyone out of work and he can bellow how he has taken the unemployment rate to 0%

You would jump for joy and proclaim how magnificent he is

bmclearen

Personally, I don’t much like the results we have gotten over the past 7 years from our President and the members of Congress in Washington, but that in no way means that I would even consider voting for a self-serving egotistical loud mouth vulgar person such as Trump, or even Christie, to be our next President. Look at what happened in Frederick County when we elected Blaine and his group of yes-men a few years back. They collectively robbed the county of what we were as well as our financial well-being. Much like Trump, Blaine and his yes-men only wanted power and to increase their personal holdings, which it would appear as though they have. Just because a person has been successful in business does not mean that they would make a good president, particularly when you consider that part of their success is based on multi bankruptcy filings and passing their debt onto others. When we vote, we should consider who we feel would make the best leader and not who is the most entertaining and the one who is least truthful. Guess this leaves Hillary out too.

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herbie

Ah, nothing like an open minded "republican" FV

DickD

Terry, I agree with you on Jeb Bush, Trump is really a Democrat in disguise and will never win the Republican primary. Yes, the Republican racists support him, but that is only 30% of the hardcore, right wing Republicans, not enough to win the primary. In fact, I don't see a single Republican that I want as President.

I agree Hillary has her problems, Bernie has promised the world - which he never will be able to deliver. If Biden should decide to run, he may be our savior.

herbie

Yea, Joe would be good for a gaffe a day

Liked his idea for gun control. Point a shotgun out the back door and fire off two rounds

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herbie

Try the Biden defense when the Police show up and you tell them you scared off some bad guys Dick.

Biden is a human gaffe machine

Dwasserba

Run for office.

FrederickVeteran

Islamists in America has just endorsed Trump. [sad]

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FrederickVeteran

I'm biracial I love myself I even love you and your antics I'm just so much better.

Dwasserba

^my favorite comment of the day^
Go FV

herbie

and so much more modest

Given your posts I would think you would have much to be modest about

DickD

FV, you sound like Trump.

DickD

Yeah, they must hate him. lol

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DeDeuceCoupe32

Doesn't it stay dark longer with shorter days in the winter here. With your logic FV should love winter.

FrederickVeteran

I believe it's possible if Bush and Condi hadn't been distracted by extracurricular activities they might have been able to demonstrate a semblance of national defense and connect the dots protecting the homeland from these Islamic terroists. How ironic that an alleged Muslim POTUS had to avenge the homeland security dereliction of an GOP neocon administration. [sad]

dtwigg

Yeah, charisma is soooo important when it comes to electing a president.

herbie

What is more important is the ability to believe someone - and the current crop including Bush and Clinton have a severe credibility issue

Unless you like being lied to then vote for one of them

phydeaux994

That brings up a point herbie, one I have asked you about before. Who do you support for the next POTUS? Are you having trouble committing?

herbie

Try reading my posts Mr Republican

I am for Scot Walker. Not looking good

DickD

I was wondering who would give him 1%, now we know. You and who else?

DeDeuceCoupe32

I hate to beat a dead horse, but isn't Obama, a terrorist attack with 3000 american deaths and 2 wars justified by lies, all part of the G. W. Bush legacy. The home team is getting its but kicked with 10 pros and 3 amateurs on the bench.[huh] Good luck

herbie

Amazing after 7 on the job - it is still the other guys fault

phydeaux994

"He may of been speaking about Bubba and the results of his perjury under oath"..........herbie, you are the ultimate hypocrite. Here you are talking about the other guy's fault while you do the same.

herbie

Eh sorry Mr Republican Bill Clinton did commit perjury and was disbarred

Sorry if facts hurt your feelings

That is part of the reason Hillary is tanking. People have had enough of the lies and arrogance of the Clinton's

threecents

Herbie, We are so tired of your half truths. He was only disbarred from arguing a case in front of the Supreme Court - just a symbolic thing, as he probably never would anyway. He did a very bad thing, but he was otherwise a mostly great president.

DeDeuceCoupe32

I never blamed Bush for Obamas actions. I credit Bush as should you, for getting the first BPOTHUS elected.

herbie

I thought it was the liberal media

After all we were told voting for Obama proved you were not a racist

DickD

The Republicans are still blaming Bill Clinton, from 15 years ago and a failed impeachment.

herbie

and libs still blame Reagan after 30 years

Libs seldom admit they are wrong. Even when Reagan won re-election with 49 states Dems said the voters did not reject their polices - but were bought in with slick marketing and packaging

jerseygrl42

Terry, you said a mouthful of accurate commentary. Hillary has to ignore questions about her integrity and honesty as she has NONE...she is a money and power hungry pathological liar who would sell her mother for a buck and obama is simply the worst president in the storied history of this country and in my opinion a traitor who should be impeached for his dastardly misdeeds....but we have a congress with almost no guts , almost as bad as it was with reid and pelosi

herbie

and do not forget cry when needed. She is good at turning on the water works

DickD

jerseygirl, you cannot give the honor of being the worse president to Obama, Bush owns it.

herbie

yep, after 7 years it is still the other guys fault

DickD

It always was.

threecents

Terry, You must get dizzy with all that spinning.

herbie

and you need some Icy Hot from all the ducking you are doing from the points he made in the letter

threecents

...None of the points were sharp, and they were poorly aimed, so I'm fine. [tongue]

herbie

You remind me of a Hillary supporter who actually defended her by saying she was not indicted yet

Don not pay attention to what she did - look at the shiny object over there in the corner

FrederickVeteran

In about 9 years around 2025 entitlements will comprise all federal revenues even if ObamaCare is repealed. What am I sayin, that the GOP is surely going to go after Social Secuity and Medicare which are over 50% of entitlements if they get the WH in 2016 to fund tax relief for their benefactors. Wealthy people don't give poor people money to shine their shoes because they like them they give them money to perform a service the same reason they give money to republican politicians to perform a service lower their taxes.

herbie

They do not have a choice. Entitlements have to be reined in. We are over $18 TRILLION in debt and sooner or later the financial house of cards will collapse

The debt is now over 100% of our GDP

Libs cannot tax our way out of this mess

DickD

Bush cutting taxes, during good times, along with his wars, Great Recession, etc. contributed half of that.

herbie

and how did that double the national debt under Obama?

DickD

It was necessary to keep out of another Great Depression. As it was, we still had the Bush Recession.

timothygaydos

Trump is just as viable as Clinton to run this country considering the amount of lying she has done over the years.

Both parties have issues with having candidates that are really want we want and need in this country. When looking at the choices on both sides do we really want the x-gov of MD running the country like he did MD? Do we want a socialist in Sanders or Clinton? We had enough with the Bush Family and having moderates that show no guts to walk away from the other side and let them hang in the wind like they do to the other side.

BlueDawn666

the comment I made about the bag of rocks..you are one of those rocks...wow.

timothygaydos

wow BlueDawn666 so cool to be so smart like you!

BlueDawn666

Ummm Trump isn't a viable candidate how can anyone even think for one second he is..? Unless you in your twenties or have amnesia how can you not remember what kind of person Donald Trump is? He has not changed one bit from the 80's and 90's..he is still as dishonest as the day is long.

This documentary which was suppressed by Donald Trump for 25 years will tell those of you that seemed to have forgotten the truth about The Donald
http://trumpthemovie.com/watch/

Did you see his fake foreign policy speech last night on that battleship in Los Angeles on Tuesday evening? He largely dispensed with the idea that he would offer a broad foreign policy vision. Instead, he spoke for under 15 minutes aboard the USS Iowa.

he said nothing of substance and he was trying to sell his deal just like he had done in the 80's and 90's, his "investors" finally wised up and stopped giving him money, when are we going to wise up and stop paying attention to someone that is as dishonest as the day is long? He has not changed but has realized that the voting public is as dumb as a bag of rocks so he trying to swindle us..and we are buying his swindle.

his tough rhetoric on immigration is not even researched he understands nothing about how immigrants actually come to this country, 40 percent fly in and then decide to stay, but that building wall idea really has the angry white-people all riled up and again think about it..how in the world will he pay for this wall, he is going to have Mexico pay for it..HOW? We support their economy so they are going to pay for wall that will harm their economy..right..Again this is just more of The Donald BS, he is all flair and no substance and then he said last night we will have the biggest military ever but then we will never have to use it??? Again he knows nothing about foreign policy...that is not how it works.

He had several hundred protesters chanted their disapproval last night, you could hear them and they really threw him off his game..it was awesome. He didn't know how to handle people booing him, so he is going to negotiate with world leaders. He is a coward, he ran so fast from that crowd.

The fake veterans group he did raise money for apparently consists of a single person, and this fake veterans group exists only on Internet

“Donald Trump was not in the military, but he did use a pretty military backdrop tonight to raise money for a non-existent veterans’ group, which endorsed him formally as part of his introduction — and he said they have hundreds of thousands of members,” “And they don’t. And so the whole thing is fake.”

Veterans For A Strong America really does appear to be just one guy.”
Again The Donald is trying to swindle the American public and since we are as dumb as a bag of rocks it's working..he doesn't want to be President he wants the money he is going to make from running for President...look how rich Sarah Palin was for awhile...

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/rachel-maddow-veterans-group-fundraising-off-trump-speech-is-really-one-guy-in-s-dakota/

herbie

Rachel Maddow is your source Blue? Really?

I bet you also take Hillary at her word all the emails she deleted had nothing to do with her work as Sec of State right?

As far as specific's how is Bernie going to pay for all of his goodies, freebies and handouts? Hmmm?

threecents

Trump doesn't need to have a full grasp of foreign policy, as he will have plenty of capable advisers. His secretary of state, Charlie Sheen, can handle the complicated stuff.

herbie

Well Hillary can make Lois Leaner head of her IT security

While Bubba oversees the Clinton Slush Fund and hires all the female interns

BlueDawn666

You are really hatin' on the women today hey Herbie??

Explains a lot about you dude..hate when we school you..lol

herbie

Yep, right on time

If do not support Hillary you hate women

Amazing how the left does not apply the same talking point about women running as Republicans

BlueDawn666

let me see women republicans are like an oxy-moron to me....can't trust a women that runs as a republican, since republican policies are anti-women but hey whatever ...Carly has much cognitive dissonance going on in her brain.

I don't support Hillary so what is your point?

so you would actually vote for Carly..yeah right.

herbie

Now Blue brings on the civility factor

What a way to win people over to your side. You are like Hillary and her "apology"

"I am sorry you people are stupid"

herbie

BTW Blue did you pass on telling us how Bernie is going to pay for all his "free" stuff to the greedy masses?

BlueDawn666

So then tell me why you Republicans vote against your own best interests..perhaps then I would understand you more?

Free stuff what free stuff is Bernie offering? I have not heard of "free stuff" ????

how am I being uncivil? You are the one to talk Herbie

So you wouldn't vote for Carly...that is what you are sayin'

herbie

What free stuff? Lets see

"free" healthcare

"free" college

Those are for starters

Not to mention his desire for guaranteed employment and income

My as one of the enlightened ones you sure are short on what your side is promising the masses

You are uncivil for saying I hate women simply because I point out the facts about Hillary

herbie

Voting against our self interest? Do you mean wanting people to stay poor? wanting them to be dependent on government? Thinking to secure the women's vote just promise them "free" birth control? IF you cannot get your ideas passed at the ballot box go to Court and have them imposed on the folks? Have open borders and do not keep people from coming in illegally and set up entire cities to protect them from existing immigration laws?

Is that what you mean Blue?

BlueDawn666

You actually haven't pointed out any legitimate "facts" about Hillary..so yeah you hate women.

Free stuff will be paid for by making EVERYONE pay their fair share of taxes you know like the RICH PEOPLE and churches and corporations..duh...

also explain why you vote against your own best interests..please

herbie

Blue, I see you are one of those who feels yea I am entitled to other peoples money

Perhaps you will be a liberal to answer this simple question - nobody else has

At what point does someone attain that goal of paying their fair share in taxes? is it when they pay 50% of their income in taxes? 60%?

Even after all the tax increase under Obama - libs still feel people are under taxed and government is underfunded

BlueDawn666

Obama did not increase taxes...DUH...your tax rate is the lowest it has ever been.

Are you really that daft Herbie...and read this very carefully..WHEN EVERYONE and I MEAN EVERYONE PAYS THEIR FARE SHARE OF TAXES..I mean EVERYONE..you do know what the word FAIR means right? you seem not to grasp the meaning of the word...

I don't feel entitled to anyone's money..but I am tired of subsidizing corporations and churches that pay no taxes..why should I have to pay taxes when they don't ..what makes them so special?

You realize if EVERYONE paid taxes, your taxes would be next to nothing..unless you are like a billionaire and your not...so you must like paying higher taxes just so the rich people can pay none..you are one of those rocks...geez you cannot be real to not understand that.

herbie

Blue, you make it way too easy. All the taxes in Obamacare (about one trillion dollars worth); Obama got a tax hike for the top marginal rate, and all the additional "fees" in his giveaways

As usual the left never says when someone is paying their fair share - because they are always wanting more

You are obviously in the camp that sees people and companies as under taxed. You never give a thought to perhaps government has a spending problem. The Feds alone take in nearly $3.3 TRILLION dollars a year and that is not enough for you. Amazing how libs always have more ideas to spend other peoples money

herbie

Blue, I really enjoy watching libs bellow about people paying their fair share in taxes - then get busted NOT paying their own taxes.

Over at DNCTV there are FOUR liberals who got slapped with a tax lien after demanding others pay their taxes. Rev Al, Melissa Harris Perry, Toure, and Joy Reed all are tax cheats - but still demand others pay those taxes.

You libs are something else Blue

herbie

Looks like Blue has left the building

I guess she is catching up on all the talking points by watching DNCTV. Too bad they fired all their hosts from the 3PM to 7PM time slot. Blue will have to get use to new "experts"

DeDeuceCoupe32

Finding all the flaws in a candidate is easy peasy. Putting together a list of qualifications is a challenge, even for Gabby Gabber.

BlueDawn666

NO I could put a list together for Bernie no problem...

DeDeuceCoupe32

Sorry i asked.

timothygaydos

Obama's real legacy is how he fooled the voters of the USA not once but twice. A disbarred lawyer community organizer that is a socialist and a race baiter... I think the voters of this country would elect any qualified person of any race or gender, but this time they will be more incline to vet that person more closely than they ever did with Barry O...

olefool

"Disbarred lawyer" Really tim, show us what you've got on this, cite your source for this fantasy. I'd suggest this: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/lawlicenses.asp if you want the truth.

timothygaydos

Okay let us say you are right on that point the others pretty accurate and dead on.

herbie

He may of been speaking about Bubba and the results of his perjury under oath

threecents

I'm positive it was an oversight, but you left out Muslim and Kenyan. Trump does not forgive you.

olefool

Not to worry Terry and Herbie (I actually believe these two are the same person) the Donald will fix your world... Oh wait... you're already living in his world..

FrederickVeteran

Trump said America would never elect another BPTOUS because the poor job Obama has done so this poll is really bad news for the GOP.

CBS News/NYT Trump 27, Carson 23, Bush 6, Cruz 5, Rubio 6, Huckabee 6, Fiorina 4, Walker 2, Kasich 3, Paul 3, Christie 1, Santorum 1, Perry 1, Jindal 0, Graham 0

public-redux

I have to take issue with Terry's claims in the antepenultimate paragraph. I haven't seen elected Republicans in DC telling voters that they are racist or warmongers or selfish or homophobic.

herbie

Spot on letter! However you left out 2 things

First with Obama, anytime anyone disagrees with any on his polices (no matter how insane they are) you are tagged a racist. In the mind of a Obama supporter, the only reason anyone would disagree with the Harvard law guy would be totally out of racism.

It would never occur to those folks someone could have a legitimate ideological disagreement

With Hillary - not voting for her makes you a sexist. She is tanking so bad in the polls she is now running around begging for votes because she is a grandmother.

Meanwhile, the "outsiders" are running away with it - for now

As far as Sanders I heard his hero was Marx. My question is was it Karl or Groucho?

phydeaux994

herbie, you can disagree with the President without being disrespectful. It's the lies and name calling and the making fun of him that distinguishes you from an idealistic opponent. That, and the fact that you are a racist. Your rhetoric on any article touching on the subject exposes your true nature.

herbie

Yea, you "republicans" are always in high respect mode PH

So pointing out the facts is now "disrespectful" eh?

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