“OK, boomer” is offensive, although not nearly as offensive as some other terms. “OK, boomer” is often used to imply that an “older” individual is out of touch with reality. Far from being necessarily true.

As a “boomer,” I was taught to take responsibility for my actions, maximize my self-reliance, avoid “entitlement” issues as much as possible, learn what I can and respect others as much as possible. As a “boomer” who appreciates hard work, who doesn’t believe everything he reads, who doesn’t rely on his mobile phone to “think” for him, I pity those who use “boomer” in a negative light.

Those who mock “boomers” fail to realize the clock ticks for themselves, too, as disrespect for elders will someday fall upon them. Perhaps many post-boomers won’t understand my allusion to a “ticking” clock: Many can’t read a wall clock.

Whiting Wicker

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mrnatural1

On Feb 20, 2020 @ 3:36pm, Obadiah Plainsmen wrote:

"The civil rights act was passed by Congress who all were probably born of the silent generation. So too goes for the forming of the EPA, scenic trail act and others you mentioned. Boomers did not make they effect known until the late 90’s early 2000’s. When Boomers started getting elected to Local Federal government positions. Clinton,Bush 43 Obama and Trump are Boomers. McConnell and Pelosi are from the silent generation. I think the boomers greatest impact to society has been drug addiction. And this is what a generation weened on hallucinogenic drugs and a strong economy looks like."

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Obadiah,

Good point about most individual Boomers not starting to have significant impact until later. Some did have a large effect much earlier than the late 1990s though: Steve Jobs (born 1955) and Bill Gates (also 1955) to name just two relatively young Baby Boomers who changed America and the world beginning in the 20th century.

Also, as has been mentioned, Boomers as a group were able to cause and/or accelerate positive social change -- civil rights; women's rights; gay rights; ending the Vietnam War; increasing environmental awareness, etc,

Hallucinogenic drugs are not only non-addictive, they are among the safest commonly used drugs. See this chart: https://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/additional-resources/ranking-drugs-and-alcohol-by-overall-harm/

That is from a study published in the British peer-reviewed journal "Lancet" (similar to the New England Journal of Medicine). Alcohol and tobacco are many times worse than mushrooms and LSD. No comparison.

mrnatural1

When it comes to the lack of jobs, there have been some comments regarding Boomers staying in the workforce too long.

I'm not sure how anyone can justify insisting that another person quit their job, simply to create an opening for someone else. Aside from positions with max age restrictions (like pilots), people are free to work as long as they want.

Personally, I was happy to bail out at age 49 after putting in my 27 years (since raised to 30). Had I liked my job more, and if my former employer did not have an ugly habit of killing my coworkers, I might have stayed longer. It's a personal choice.

Actually, many older employees are already forced out by their employer and replaced with younger workers as a cost saving measure. That's very unfair, but legal in most states.

In any case, while Boomers retiring earlier would open up some positions, there are much stronger forces at play. As Dick wrote yesterday:

"A lot of it [job loss] was caused by globalization. You could see it coming. All of the major corporations moved manufacturing overseas. Then we got the Internet and better long distance communications. This allowed banks to move advisers overseas, telephone companies moved any of their remaining information and billing overseas and of course technical workers like the ones working for Dell. All of the knitting industry moved overseas. Now we ship our cotton to them and they ship us clothes. Some made by children."

In addition we have automation and population growth (mostly from immigration at this point) working to simultaneously decrease the supply of jobs and increase demand. Just automating trucks will eliminate an estimated 2.1 million jobs, along with many more associated positions that rely on truckers. That's just *one* industry.

Ignoring the above and yelling at some aging Boomer as he leaves work is not productive (or rational).

mrnatural1

On Feb 20, 2020 @ 3:36pm, Obadiah Plainsmen wrote:

"The civil rights act was passed by Congress who all were probably born of the silent generation. So too goes for the forming of the EPA, scenic trail act and others you mentioned. Boomers did not make they effect known until the late 90’s early 2000’s. When Boomers started getting elected to Local Federal government positions. Clinton,Bush 43 Obama and Trump are Boomers. McConnell and Pelosi are from the silent generation. I think the boomers greatest impact to society has been drug addiction. And this is what a generation weened on hallucinogenic drugs and a strong economy looks like."

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Obadiah,

Good point about most individual Boomers not starting to have significant impact until later. Some did have a large effect much earlier than the late 1990s though: Steve Jobs (born 1955) and Bill Gates (also 1955) to name just two relatively young Baby Boomers who changed America and the world beginning in the 20th century.

Also, as has been mentioned, Boomers as a group were able to cause and/or accelerate positive social change -- civil rights; women's rights; gay rights; ending the Vietnam War; increasing environmental awareness, etc,

Hallucinogenic drugs are not only non-addictive, they are among the safest commonly used drugs. See this chart: https://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/additional-resources/ranking-drugs-and-alcohol-by-overall-harm/

That is from a study published in the British peer-reviewed journal "Lancet" (similar to the New England Journal of Medicine). Alcohol and tobacco are many times worse than mushrooms and LSD. No comparison.

FCPS-Principal

Just respond with, "Glad you got it, Millennial" and you're done.

cbyounger

My only beef with the term is when it is applied to me - a GenX'er. I am offended to be lumped into a self centered generational group with whom I don't identify and that will bankrupt social security before I see a dime of it - just in time for their lazy millennial offspring to take over from their selfish parents and figure out how to make it impossible for me to retire since their voting bloc will be stronger than mine due to the larger number of them.

FCPS-Principal

A boomer is anyone over 30.

mrnatural1

There is enough blame to go around.

It's not as if everything was wonderful right up until 1946 -- or say 1967, when the first Baby Boomers graduated from college -- and then suddenly the country fell apart.

Lack of job opportunities? Thank technology, automation, and population growth -- both excess births and excess immigration (both legal and illegal).

Houses too expensive? I'm still trying to figure that one out. Houses were affordable (at least in many places) up through the mid-'80s -- I bought a single family home in Rockville in 1984 with just straight time (40 hours per week) income from a blue collar job. In 1985 I bought the place where I still live, outside of Middletown -- 2 (very small modest -- real estate agents would say "sub-standard") houses on several acres of wooded land. Again, that was just myself with a 40 hour per week blue collar job.

Then prices shot up for 4-5 years. After that, from about 1990 to 2000 there was a lull -- then they shot up again, until the bubble burst around 2006. What caused that? IDK -- speculation? People (of all ages) hoping to make some easy money flipping houses? One thing is for sure though -- there isn't a shortage of houses. I'd like to know how they are selling for such inflated prices when, quote: "...the median income for a full-time wage or salary worker on a weekly basis was $936. For a 40-hour work week, this translates to a yearly income of approximately $48,672." https://www.thestreet.com/personal-finance/average-income-in-us-14852178

(That's for the 4th quarter of 2019).

Whatever the case, it's not caused by a vast Boomer conspiracy. One thing that does increase prices is lower interest rates on mortgages -- and they are about as low now as they've ever been.

This country is controlled in large part by a very small group of people (relatively speaking). "Captains of industry"; "Masters of the Universe"; a few CEOs of large Wall Street banks and Fortune 500 corporations; billionaires; etc. The 0.01%, the "puppet masters". Yes, at this point in time, most of them are technically Baby Boomers -- although some were born before 1946 (the "silent generation"). To claim that anyone born between two arbitrary dates -- 1946 and 1964 -- is somehow responsible for what the puppet masters have done is irrational. Many people of all ages agree that CC/GW = bad, and a massive $22T debt = bad.

It's not like Boomers get together in Cabo every year for a secret conference to discuss how we can further f-up America and the Earth. [wink]

In short, we're all on the same team.

DickD

A lot of it was caused by globalisation. You could see it coming. All of the major corporations moved manufacturing overseas. Then we got the Internet and better long distance communications. This allowed banks to move advisors overseas, telephone companies moved any of their remaining information and billing overseas and of course technical workers like the ones working for Dell. All of the knitting industry moved overseas. Now we ship our cotton to them and they ship us clothes. Some made by children

All against U.S. labor laws.

Moon otter

Okay folks you do know that the boomers were born between 1946 to 1964. So our period of when we were in school would be the 60's and the 70's to mid 80's. Last time I checked the Civil Rights was passed in 1964, the EPA was formed in 1972. It was the period of great music like the Moody Blues, KISS, Billy Joel etc. In the 70s we had the gas crunch, not good. Folks made very little during that timeframe and the 70's we had inflation which we got under control in future years. Most environmental laws where passed in the late 70s.The scenic trail act was passed in 1969, and land acquisition was started in the mid 70's for both the AT and the PCT. It seems to me that the boomers have done a lot to stop pollution through environmental laws. DDT was banned in 1972 by the EPA. These are just some of accomplishments of boomers. As with any age group quit blaming each other. As the saying goes "get to work". Each group had their ups and downs. If you don't like it get out and vote.

Obadiah Plainsmen

The civil rights act was passed by Congress who all were probably born of the silent generation. So too goes for the forming of the EPA, scenic trail act and others you mentioned. Boomers did not make they effect known until the late 90’s early 2000’s. When Boomers started getting elected to Local Federal government positions. Clinton,Bush 43 Obama and Trump are Boomers. McConnell and Pelosi are from the silent generation. I think the boomers greatest impact to society has been drug addiction. And this is what a generation weened on hallucinogenic drugs and a strong economy looks like.

Moon otter

If you hadn't had that generation of boomers that pushed it, nothing would have happened. Remember sit ins etc. The list is endless. It takes the younger generation to get things done or changed. Which is what happened. It was the democratic party that got things done in the1960s-70s Trump, Clintons and Bush are on the cusp as in between the silent and boomer period. Obama is the only pure boomer, Your last statement is whacked out. This economy isn't strong. HSBC bank is shredding 35,000 jobs. You might want to take some drugs.

Obadiah Plainsmen

Ok so we now have a sub category “pure boomer” what is the definition of a “pure boomer”? And is “ ok pure boomer” just as offensive as “ok boomer”?

hayduke2

McCarthy and J Edger were not so silent. Every generation has positives and negatives. Live with it. Each successive generation finds fault with the previous generation - deal with it.

rogy

And we did all that coming from schools with 35 kids to a classroom. We had highly dedicated teachers who took it all in stride because they COULD send us to the principal's office, we COULD be expelled (and or paddled) and our parents WOULD back them up and make our lives miserable if we caused any trouble in school. These smug whipper-snappers have no idea how easy they have it now and what their own offspring will someday become... I know, I know "OK Boomer"...

Dwasserba

Soooooo tempted to comment, "ok, boomer"...but I'm a boomer. Rats.

des21

I think John Adams once wrote a similar letter...……….

MrSniper

The boomers, also known as the me generation are the most irresponsible hypocrites since the traitors of the southern confederacy. They climbed the ladder their predecessors left for them then pulled the ladder up behind them. They ruined the environment, sold out domestic manufacturing, raided social security, blew up the national budget, are homophobic, allowed college to become unaffordable, ect. Really, I struggle to come up with one decent accomplishment the boomers are responsible for...& now you want Xer’s & millennial’s respect. You don’t deserve our collective respect beyond the minimum humanity demand. Ok...

joelp77440

I don't agree with your post exactly but you did say something that I believe is very true about the boomers, "They pulled the ladder up behind them." Never heard something so true. They moved in mgt positions and never left. My bosses are in their 70's and not leaving because they can afford to move. Bascially boomers are staying longer and longer then every before. As a Gen Xer, I feel that the boomers hobbled my future for themselves.

threecents

Joel, You realize that is blatant ageism?

threecents

Blaming us for pollution is fair, but blaming us for not all retiring by 70 creeps me out. You sound like Nancy Reagan saying it's her turn. And inflation? What?

gabrielshorn2013

joelp, are you somehow suggesting that boomers owe you a career, and should move out of your way, even though they have significant experience, and may actually love what they are doing as a job? No, nobody owes you anything. If someone is still productive, that level of experience is critical in business continuity. People should be allowed to retire when they choose to retire, and not at some arbitrary age set by the government.

Dwasserba

Sorry. You reminded me, one time someone told me I "march to a different drummer," and I said, "There's a drummer?!" Now there's a ladder?

Blueline

If you can't stand on your own merits & have to wait for someone to leave before you get an opportunity, there's something with you that's off.

gary4books

Try not to blame the critters in the maze. That can go to those who made the maze and think it good.

hayduke2

Really joel - you expect someone to vacate a position just because you want to take it over. Gen Xer's sound a bit entitled, no?

des21

Get out of the way Hay! All young people want is a chance. Old farts living and working forever is not part of the plan. It's bankrupting us! Look how much we're paying into that pension and it's not even a good one!

At least we don't have the crippling high taxes that Europe has so the problem is even worse- 30% unemployment among those under 30. Still, it's a problem.

hayduke2

So des, I know a young PE teacher looking for a job. Please get out of the way so he can apply. After all, you've had two careers so enough is enough.

threecents

Europe has 30% unemployment among people under 30? Not even close to that.

des21

I absolutely agree Hay. I hope to be gone soon.

des21

Sorry three- my bad- it's 20% unemployment, not 30%. Still horrific. State domination of he economy will do that. Only so many can work for the state and when you drive private capital out, well, the results are not surprising. But you keep supporting Bernie and you can impose that dystopia on our young people here. Thanks.

des21

Are you not one of us Hay?

DickD

You know that was one of reasons the Great Depression rules were made. More work by requiring time and half after 40 hours. Which encourages additional hiring instead of working longer hours

des21

France does three.

des21

And they've imposed diversity while keeping their own spots. I don't know how many Ph.D.'s white male heteros i knew who were all about embracing diversity so that, among my cohort of Ph.D.s it was easier to get a position if you were a protected class member and now the majority of Ph.D,s in America are female. Not one of those white male hetero boomers ever stepped aside to help increase diversity themselves. SMH.

Dwasserba

*Thank you* for making me feel so much better about humorless boomers.Yeah. You're right. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Flog us all.

Fredginrickey

Ok Karen....call a manager

hayduke2

Revisionist history...

elmweeks

I understand what you are saying, but I am proud to be a Boomer. I have seen the word tossed out with negative implications, as you are suggesting. Sometimes in a surly way, but I just don't let it get to me. If someone is using it in the workplace with a negative implication then yes, that is a red flag. Otherwise I just don't care!

threecents

I am not proud to be anything except me.

shiftless88

Of all the things you learned being a "boomer", apparently the development of even a slightly thick skin was not one of them. I am a boomer and I am fine with the term as it is generally used. Not for one "out of touch with reality" but for someone whose views are rooted in the 50's and 60's and have not evolved with the rest of society.

Rick Blatchford

Those who opt to use the demeaning term of boomer are usually thoughtless whippersnappers.

Dwasserba

Malarkey

FCPS-Principal

You must be a super boomer.

DickD

Are you saying that because you are an "old codger", Rick?

gary4books

If and when someone says "OK, Boomer" to me I will just smile. Like Tom Bombadil, I was here five years before the Boomers arrived. It is a mild term, much as "deplorable" and not a cause for bother. Just do not call me "late for supper."

tonyc51

Boomer is fine, deplorable not so much.

Alice Jones

[thumbup]

gary4books

Why?

gary4books

Wikipedia: Verb[edit]

deplore (third-person singular simple present deplores, present participle deploring, simple past and past participle deplored)

(transitive) To bewail; to weep bitterly over; to feel sorrow for.

I deplore my neighbour for having lost his job.

The UNHCR deplores the recent events in Sudan.

I deplore not having listened to your advice.

(transitive) To condemn; to express strong disapproval of.

I deplore how you treated him at the party.

Many people deplore the actions of a corrupt government.

MD1756

Dick, Mirriam-Webster's first definition of deplorable is: deserving censure or contempt: wretched. From the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary it is: ​very bad and unacceptable, often in a way that shocks people. It is not so mild an insult as you may think unless you look only at cherry picked definitions. As with many things, its seriousness depends on the intent of the person using the term.

gary4books

OK. I will go with "Smile when you say that..."

rikkitikkitavvi

I prefer Proud Deplorable. Thank you very much.

gary4books

I already knew that.

richardlyons

As a “boomer,” I was taught to take responsibility for my actions. and what about the responsibility to address climate change? It ain't happening. Nothing wrong with the term. Only a reflection of the frustration young people feel at the world we are leaving them.

llrowse

I just schooled an arrogant teenager regarding how we earned this title. Let’s be clear, our fathers fought in WWII. The Greatest Generation. Boomers are proud of our fathers’ service. Call me a Boomer, and a history lesson will follow.

threecents

OK...

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threecents

Rikki, Can you not?

gary4books

We have the means to leave a world of abundance, if we chose to do so. There are few things that can not be fixed, other than human nature. And that includes willful actions and ignorance. We may have to live with that.

MD1756

Unfortunately so far we have and continue to leave the world an over abundance of people.

mrnatural1

[thumbup][thumbup] MD1756

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FCPS-Principal

Well, we know you cannot. Young people, much more able.

threecents

"OK Boomer." I find the term quite useful to dismiss self-important retread nonsense. As a boomer myself, my son playfully uses the term against me when I deserve it. I asked him if there is a corresponding term for GenZers and he said "OK Zoomer" is the appropriate term, so I use that sometimes on him.

des21

How old are you!?

threecents

Old enough to spank you.

DickD

Good.[lol]

threecents

Was that before of after she spanked you and put you back on the school bus?

Dwasserba

Whaaaaat

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DrWick

Good point! :)

public-redux

Is “wall clock” a boomer term for analog?

DrWick

Ha ha ha! It could be! :)

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