In response to Mr. Gill’s Dec. 26 letter to the editor, “Trump impeachment facts,” I do think many, possibly most independent-thinking Americans, recognize that anonymous accusations like those of the now-debunked Russian collaboration hoax fall apart when the light shines in.

Unfortunately, Mr. Gill’s impeachment facts were a selective extraction of parts of President Trump’s call with Ukrainian President Zelensky along with opinion, which were then assembled in a manner to completely misrepresent the telephone call’s content. For those interested in the facts, please read the short phone call transcript. It may be found on the National Public Radio website “Transcript: Trump’s Ukraine Call Released by The White House.” Differing from that reported by Mr. Gill, an objective person will find:

1. Zelensky did not ask for help with the purchase of additional Javelin missiles for defense but more likely, by indicating “we are almost ready to buy” was posturing for a price discount.

2. Most of the conversation surrounding Ukraine defense support was focused on getting European Union countries to deliver on their responsibilities.

3. President Trump asked for a favor from Ukraine in investigating the whole situation associated with CrowdStrike. CrowdStrike, as the reader may recall, is a cybersecurity company reported to have been co-founded by a Ukrainian and was affiliated with the supposedly hacked Democratic Party computer server.

4. The remainder of the conversation was focused on Ukrainian prosecutors:

a. Robert Mueller’s failure to investigate reports surrounding the 2016 hacking of the Democratic Party server.

b. Replacement of various Ukrainian prosecutors: one forced out by former Vice President Biden and who was rumored to be investigating Biden’s son Hunter.

c. Zelensky’s view of the current prosecutor and plans for a replacement.

Bill Conyers

Frederick

(51) comments

Obadiah Plainsmen

Trump’s impeachment is like human-caused climate change the science is in and the data been collected Trump has been impeached . That horse is dead, stop beating it!

phydeaux994

This is why Soleimani was killed, he hurt Trump’s Feelings. https://www.businessinsider.com/soleimani-fought-trump-with-game-of-thrones-memes-before-airstrike-2020-1

phydeaux994

Does anyone with an iota of reason and common sense believe that Donald J. Trump isn’t a mentally ill man totally devoid of any capacity to make a rational decision that doesn’t serve his own ego. He had Soleimani killed because Soleimani had mocked him and challenged him on Instagram in 2018. Look it up. Ask your search engine the question “what did Soleimani say about Trump on Instagram”. Trump has been waiting to get his revenge since then. Trump is totally unhinged, threatening to attack Iranian Holy sites, further uniting and igniting their resolve to kill Americans. He has further driven the divide from our allies who are being threatened by him declaring de facto War with Iran. What do YOU, Republicans call it when two Countries attack each other? WAR!! What do YOU, Republicans call it when more and more American soldiers are sent to the Middle East to be killed by Iranian supported Militias enraged by Trump’s unilateral attacks ontheir Sovereign Nations. When Republicans, do YOU SAY STOP TO THIS MANIAC and to the POMPEO LIES. You have the chance now Republicans, coming this month, to do that. Muster up some courage Republicans, and DO THE RIGHT THING....!!!

prg45fan

WE WILL PHY! WE WILL "do the right thing" BY REELECTING HIM IN 2020!

hayduke2

prg - see your 9:19 post. You just applied it to yourself.

phydeaux994

prg, Republicans are now complicit in and condoning going to WAR with Iran, with the deaths of every American soldier that dies as a result of another unilateral unending WAR, every American citizen and citizens of our Allies who die as a result of your support of a madman, complicit in and condoning Trump’s threat of WAR CRIMES, of getting America kicked out of Iraq and possibly the whole Middle East Region and handing it over to Russia, what he hasn’t already given them. Republicans are condoning and complicit in every bizarre and unilateral action takes with absolutely no input from Congress or HIS OWN “ACTING” YES MEN WHO ARE FINALLY TRYING TO TELL HIM NO? Republicans are aiding and abetting the danger Trump is putting our BELOVED COUNTRY IN. REPUBLICANS, prg45fan, History will not be kind to you. It’s time to grow some and send him back to Mar a Lago...for good. Peace.

DickD

"Does anyone with an iota of reason and common sense believe that Donald J. Trump isn’t a mentally ill man totally devoid of any capacity to make a rational decision that doesn’t serve his own ego." Here is your answer, phy!

threecents

Maybe I am biased because I have followed Trump for decades, so I already knew him as the archetype ugly American, but this is about as open and shut case as I have ever seen. There is more doubt in my mind over whether OJ killed Ron and Nichole than whether Trump pressured Ukraine's president to say he was investigating the Bidens. The glove may have been too small for OJ, but it fits the short fingered vulgarian.

matts853

Brilliant post .03, and spot on. The kamikaze Trump supporters have MAGA stuck in their heads. They’re incapable of critical thinking beyond choosing between the shirt or the hat.

prg45fan

No "maybe" about it.

threecents

Prg, Very few are objective about Trump, but I think I see him more clearly than you do. I know I smell him more clearly than you do.

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matts853

That was actually funny, bunny.

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hayduke2

Delusional at best...

Alice Jones

A very selective, skewed, and narrow interpretation. Good for a morning laugh, though.

Obadiah Plainsmen

Whether he did or did not and who said what and why is in the past, The articles of impeachment (or indictment) have passed and President Trump has been impeach. The accused cannot jump bail or flee the country where the US does not have extradition rights. And he need not be present for the trial. Now it's time to send this indictment to the court and have a trial. Ms Pelosi are you listening?

Alice Jones

Does anyone listen to you? Just curious.

Obadiah Plainsmen

One that I know of ...YOU! Can you hear me now!

matts853

I don’t anymore. Just pass.

hayduke2

Good advice matt....

matts853

In response only to AJ...

Obadiah Plainsmen

Just responded that’s 3. Let’s start over. Here are rules again. We agree not to respond to one another’s comments no mater how outrageous and disagreeable they are. Get it Got it. Good!.

matts853

👍🏻👍🏻

threecents

Somehow I don't think Nancy reads the FNP, much less the online comments.

matts853

Trump stirred up the hornet’s nest in the Middle East which will cost him the election. This will play out very, very badly for him. He’s even threatening to hit Iran cultural targets which may actually be in violation of international law and is certainly in violation of US principles.

The worst fears of some of the smartest people in our government who’ve beeen warning us about how erratic and unhinged this guy is are being realized on an almost hourly basis. He’s mentally unfit for office and more people are waking up to that reality.

prg45fan

Funny post mat. To hear you and your comrades tell it, when he wakes up in the White House he broke the law. Stay calm and carry on. You need not worry about your safety and security until you see UN troops on the streets of this country in masse. Actually mat, more people are waking up to the reality that the democrat party does nothing but obstruct since Trump beat your girl. This will show in the next General election. Have a seat and watch the show since it's all you can do in your pathetic life as a Trump hater.

KR999

[thumbup][thumbup][thumbup][thumbup][thumbup] prg!

matts853

Nuts!

prg45fan

Bolts?

marinick1

[thumbup]

jbeacht

Pretty comical statement.

matts853

Vapid letter. Your opinion has been completely discredited by over a dozen witnesses and the tepid release of emails and texts, etc. that all prove beyond any reasonable doubt that Trump shook down Zelenskiy. No reasonably objective person could conclude otherwise, and yet, here we are again with another person who’s in the minority of public opinion on the matter demonstrating a complete failure to think critically. Just stop.

threecents

Matt[thumbup]

DickD

Another member of the Donald Trump cult. Never mind the facts, refuse to testify evenwhen subpoenas are issued and blame it all on the Dims, as you sell out all of your previous religious beliefs.

bosco

So, Dick, can you explain how it is OK for the House to ignore the third branch of government, the courts, in deciding a conflict between the executive branch and the legislative? So it's OK for the house to both cite and convict somebody in contempt of Congress without due process?

matts853

This might help. In Nixon, the court found that exec privilege is not absolute, and if the information seeking to be obtained wasn’t policy based, as the essential elements of this “congratulatory” call weren’t, then privilege is essentially nullified and Congress has a right to these materials as part of an impeachment or criminal investigation.

https://www.scotusblog.com/2019/10/executive-privilege-congress-subpoena-power-and-the-courts-a-brief-overview-of-a-complex-topic/

awteam2000

After all efforts to prevents testimony by subpoenaed witnesses to Congress , the appeals court finally ruled former WH counsel Donald McGahn must comply with House subpoena. With McGahn testimony, Congress said: it’s not out of the question additional impeachment charges could be placed against Trump.

awteam2000

Due Process Is a safeguard against denial of life, liberty, or property by the government outside the sanction of law. It doesn’t apply to getting fired and having to move out of the White House.🤷‍♂️

Trump will have his right to ‘due process’ in criminal court once he leaves office.

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matts853

Be careful what you wish for, Bunny. The McGahn case will play out in the courts although it might not work it’s way though before the election. If (when) the lower court decsion(s) are ultimately upheld, then should Trump get re-elected (which I doubt will happen now that he’s stirred up the hornet’s nest in the Middle East) then the dam is broken and all his men that are hiding the truth will have to sit before congress and talk. Then the truth, which is already clear to savvy people, will be unavoidable even to Trump’s kamikaze supporters. It’s only a question of timing when his chickens will finally come home to roost, so to speak...

matts853

No prg, I’m referring to open minded people - regardless of party affiliation - who are willing and able to accept the undeniable facts and then understand their context and importance and at least attempt to have a rational discussion. No Trump supporter in this forum has ever demonstrated this capacity. They only demonstrate a blind allegiance to Trump and a rigid ideology along coupled with a seething hatred of anything Democrat. This isn’t about opinions, it’s about facts that show clearly there’s a right and wrong side here, and the ‘right’ is most certainly wrong.

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threecents

Is it Dick's choice?

BunnyLou

Great LTE! Well written and a pleasure to read.

DickD

I expect that from you Bunny. [lol]

Alice Jones

You standards are way too high, D.

BunnyLou

Nothing. wrong with the LTE that I can see. His statements were spot on and correlate to the facts. Something you could learn from.

olefool

How's things over at 55 Savushkina Street???

timothygaydos

It is snowing again with these pathetic snowflakes... they probably think the Iranian was a decorated religious leader that was killed last week instead of a killing machine... they cannot stand Trump winning 2016 nor the outcome that is looming in 2020 with 4 more years and at least two more conservative judges on the supreme court - now watch the blizzard of flakes!

matts853

No, I can’t stand the drama, chaos, selfishness, lawlessness, and international ill will this president travels with wherever he goes.

timothygaydos

The only drama, chaos, selfishness, lawlessness and the love for international terrorists are the liberal socialists that have hijacked the democratic party - what a shameful turn of events.

prg45fan

The Trump Train with it's plow attachment is warming up as we speak. Ain't NO stopping it!

threecents

Runaway Train. Awesome movie - with John Voight.

matts853

Coming off the rails on a crazy train....

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