In her letter printed June 20, Cindy Rose, an outspoken conservative, seems to be projecting her own outrage at others.

Ms. Rose believes, as is her right of course, that the County Council is wasting its time, and by extension our tax dollars, by adding LGBTQ+ anti-discrimination wording to our county laws because such wording already exists at the state level. Ms. Rose seems not to comprehend that local ordinances should reflect what’s in state ordinances so that discrepancies and potential conflicts are avoided. The state vs. federal conflicts over reproductive rights are a larger example of the same issue. The federal government is now curbing some human rights, especially as relates to the transgender community, so it is incumbent on state and local governments to curtail the discrimination wherever they can. At one time, many counties and states had differing rules on racial discrimination, including housing and marriage; we had to go federal to end that, and we’re still fighting that fight on some levels.

On another note, Ms. Rose accuses Lois Jarman of calling her a horrible slur (“a herpes”). If this in fact did occur (I was not there, so are there others who witnessed/heard this, or recordings of it?), then Ms. Jarman at the very least owes Ms. Rose a public apology as this is totally unacceptable and inappropriate, no matter how one feels about Ms. Rose or her beliefs. If Ms. Rose misheard what Ms. Jarman said, then Ms. Jarman is owed the apology.

People need to be able to express their views, even views others find reprehensible, as long as those views do not encourage harming people or their property. That is the core basis of our Constitution’s First Amendment.

Leatrice Urbanowicz

Frederick

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shiftless88

There is a reason people give her flack and it has nothing to do with her politics

Moon otter

At all government levels ordinances must be the same so that there is no discrimination especially in an hiring aspect. It would be nice that whether whatever party you are from that name calling be stopped. Oh wait we have a president who thinks it is okay. So it must be okay. No folks it isn't. It shows that your character is low.

DickD

Why is it necessary to duplicate a law by a higher authority?

public-redux

It might not be necessary but that seems a minor complaint. How much county money is being spent on this? Not much, I’d assume. Does it cause any harm? No. I’d like to see MD remove its prohibition against atheists serving in public office or on juries. The law is inoperative because it is unconstitutional. But, nonetheless, I think it would be fitting to get rid of it.

Suppose we had a local ordinance regulating the acceptable treatment if slaves. Would you really object to getting it off the books just because slavery was illegal, per a higher authority?

jsklinelga

public-redux I must admit it is hard to comment using the FNP site as opposed to cancelling my subscription but we must continue to fight even though the decks are slightly stacked. Unfortunately it hurts the people being shielded. I was a little surprised when people said there were no examples of bias by large tech companies. Evidently not everything happening in Congress gets reported by certain news outlets. Anyway don't rush to have our MD Constitution changed. The provision you wanted deleted was considered Federally Constitutional for almost 200 years. That is why there is a huge push to change the courts back. (And slavery and all associated practices were banned by Constitutional Amendment.) There has been no Constitutional Amendment repealing the first Amendment prohibiting the Federal Government from making any law effecting the establishment or free exercise of religion by the States, It seems your request should be to the State but not by Federal authority.

public-redux

How does a State engage in the exercise of religion? Could you give some examples?

Your comment about a constitutional amendment is beside the point. I specified a “local” ordinance that was still on the books.

So how do you decide when it is okay to go off-topic.

public-redux

I see you are still confounded by the difference between rights and powers, I’m surprised you don’t think more highly of the Founders.

public-redux

I was really pleased that Justice Thomas continues to be a minority of one with respect to incorporation. What did you think of Gorsuch’s full-throated embrace of penumbral reasoning in the Bladensburg cross case?

jlichtman

Because this gives the county's office of Human Rights the ability to respond to violations. Before, people had to go all the way to Baltimore to file a complaint and get help. It also makes a positive statement about our county and how we want to treat our community.

DickD

I hardly ever agree with Rose, but there is no good reason to add this to the County laws. State laws always take precedence.

jlichtman

There IS a good reason: Now the county's office of Human Rights has the ability to respond to violations. Before, people had to go all the way to Baltimore to file a complaint and get help. It also makes a positive statement about our county and how we want to treat people in our community. Plus, it sends a message for businesses looking at coming to Frederick.

jsklinelga

whoops again, submitted before finished comment. We are learning more and more daily about the manipulations of the media giants, via algorithms, trying to suppress opposing views. I have found this to be the case, somewhat, with the FNP and selective editorializing. Being private they have no obligation to the truth but we have the right and obligation as citizens to call them out. And we must. Or freedoms depends on this.

shiftless88

jsk has been watching FoxNews again. Spewing unsubstantiated "facts". You may be "learning" about these things but it is fiction. Right wingers just cannot accept the fact that not everyone loves them so they blame others for that.

shiftless88

It is actually a pretty amazing process. The President has a thought, tweets it out, and suddenly Fox and all the Republicans start asserting is as fact.

Dwasserba

"Being private they have no obligation to the truth" - ohhhh this statement is so reflective of the Trumping of accepted norms. There is such a thing as "journalistic ethics" - taught and embraced even at the high school journalism level.

DickD

You missed the boat a long time ago, Jim. I learned about slant writing and yellow journalism in high school. And if you don't understand that, you better not listen to Trump lies and Fox News.

phydeaux994

Could you give us some examples, which you never do you just say “everybody knows”, of ANYBODY suppressing opposing views via “algorithms”?? Just a couple will do. Of course you won’t because you only hear about such things at night when you are sleeping, along with “dancing sugar plums”.

phydeaux994

Oops, sorry DickD, my comment was meant for jsk.

public-redux

“Being private they have no obligation to the truth but we have the right and obligation as citizens to call them out. And we must. Or freedoms depends on this.” That’s what I always say about religious outfits — and do I ever get criticized for it!

threecents

What was the context for the insult. I don't know if that is a horrible slur, as I have never heard of that insult before... and there are a lot of different herpes viruses: including herpes simplex viruses, Epstein-Barr virus, cytomegalovirus, Kaposi sarcoma virus, and varicella zoster virus. If the insult referred to HSV-2, then yah...

public-redux

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jsklinelga

Ms. Urbanowicz, Not sure about the facts concerning Ms. Rose but I agree with your last sentiment: "People need to be able to express their views, even views others find reprehensible, as long as those views do not encourage harming people or their property. That is the core basis of our Constitution’s First Amendment." That is one protected right crucial to keeping our freedoms. Private companies like Facebook,Twitter, Google, Amazon or even the FNP have no legal

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