TrekMan, 5:02 message received thanks & along with mrnatural still hoping you'll relieve our continuing curiosity, even if it's off serious topic. But will understand if you're not wiling to do that for whatever reason. We're still processing & unsure we'll be able to respond adequately to mamlukman's earlier comments.

Mr. Natural, Jo and Bob - The song is called Biz Kids - it's really cool! I put it on the forum because Shiftless, or should I say Clueless, claimed I have not traveled outside Frederick County. Although i grew up in Germany and Belgium (my Dad was an officer in the army) and have traveled all over the world in my job in IT. I speak fluent German and some French. I have lived in Frederick since I was a bout 12 years old and am still here at age 61.

Art do you realize you are conceding the point the letter writer is making?

You do understand the point of the letter right? Maybe tell us what point you are trying to make? Because as I read your post you are agreeing that there is no indoctrination going on in schools? You do know indoctrination is right?

Ok, thanks for an unadjudicated case the Federalist is reporting as fact. About your speed on resources, Art.

Nearly 6,000 US public schools hide child’s gender status from parents

By Josh Christenson, March 8, 2023

https://nypost.com/2023/03/08/us-public-schools-conceal-childs-gender-status-from-parents/

there has only been one version of history taught in our schools and that is the white version and yes we have white-washed it until it is sugary sweet...so what is your point exactly Boom Boom?

so then you are okay with Black parents ensuring Black history is taught accurately? that is so sweet of you....

Boomer, unless those parents have specific historical degrees and training, they have no business, at all, opining upon historical cirriculum. Might as well ask them to handle each other's root canals as well.

A good & true reality check, but isn't who gets to tell & hear the story up there in importance too? Especially for those whose story has been downplayed, redacted & censored for so long?

If you search on "distraction as political tactic" you get almost 6 MILLION hits. And probably most of us are familiar with "wag the dog" tactics thanks to the movie. But I just learned of the "dead cat strategy"! Same idea. Politicians / media / rich elites / whoever don't want an actual examination or debate on certain topics. So they do the equivalent of yelling "Squirrel!!!" to a dog. They divert outrage and attention elsewhere, to a topic they have no interest in. In the US they have been extraordinarily successful, as faithful readers of the Frederick N-P or most other papers know. It's particularly true on TV and radio.

I'm not saying people don't have grievances or that--for example--some thought should be given to appropriate books in school libraries. What I'm saying is that if Norfolk Southern pays $50 million to clean up its mess, that would be 1.6% of its PROFITS for the year. Not revenue, profits. And we appear to be perfectly OK with about 1,000 police killings per year. These are solvable problems. But not while everyone is focused on whether "Lawn Boy" should be in the local school library.

Why do you hate America mamlukman? [cool]

Excellent point. I think part of it is that some people -- on both the left and right -- actually enjoy being outraged about something, especially something they have a bit of control over.

A person might be concerned about some/all of the very serious issues you mentioned, but feel like there is little they can do about them. So instead, they 'challenge' books in the local school library; or (along with others) have a statue taken down; or create a tempest in a teapot over some other (usually local) political or religious issue. Something that may rile people up, but at the end of the day does nothing to better society. They just cause more acrimony and division.

It's a shame, because all of that energy could be used to help make actual improvements to the country.

odd what readers see as unfit? you would think a pastor's words would be fit for FNP readers? They are god's words after all....and isn't god's message fit for everyone to read? I mean who would be offended by god's words?

You are correct about indoctrination in the public schools. Texas requires a school to display “In God We Trust” signs and posters if they are donated to a school.

define indoctrination Rick? not the dictionary definition but your definition of indoctrination....I always thought it had to do with a god or the concept of a god...what do you think indoctrination has to do with? Defining indoctrination could prove thorny for you though...I have to warn you...but give it a go for the reading audience...as a skeptic I am always looking for rational reasons...

Rick - talk to an actual current teacher. Any current teacher. The students are too engrossed in their phones to be indoctrinated. Those of us actually in the profession have bigger issues that transcend this CRT nonsense.

Hey Rick, how many classrooms have you visited to push your conspiracy theories of indoctrination? Who manufactured those videos you claim? As usual, you throw out "stuff" to see what sticks - in this case, nothing...

Duh, (says Wolinsky dramatically) none of us have "proven" a policy idea the same way you might prove that someone's drinking water is making kids sick. Nonetheless, if for example, kids are important to you, I'll give you a "poll" on what counts most for their future: 1) caregivers who make more than $15/hour 2) lead in paint or drinking water 3) a nuclear or other World War 4) sea-level rise and 100-year weather catastrophes every year or two 5) all of these, or 6) Getting certain books out of school libraries.

mrnatural, info much appreciated. We do vaguely remember them & some of their songs--some good ones, understood--but didn't remember that one or connect it with that group.

But what else do you know about Black History, Dick? I don't think there are many people that don't know what you just wrote. Do you honestly believe black people were welcomed in the towns and cities of the north, outside of the path of the URR? Nope.

There’s a lot more to African American history then slavery, Underground Railroad, the civilian war, not all gloom and doom.

Does DickD believe that Black History ended in 1865? His examples are all from then. As for "the north certainly did all they could" ... ha ha. It's not really "black history" if you could learn in high school that much of post-Civil War reconstruction was undone by 1880 or so. Or that legal redlining and loan discrimination were part of the deal FDR had to make with Dixiecrats 50 years later. Or that Dr. King said he never felt such hatred (meaning in the South) as when he marched in Chicago.

I was an academic team advisor for a local high school during the period that was well after those years. Your characterization is a gross image of non-existant threats to children. You've been the indoctrinated one.

Nothing has changed in the school library choices since the Bush administration, just the politics surrounding the libraries. These things happen every 20 years or so. 40 years ago when I was in school, in WV, upset parents wanted to get rid of Marx and "Flowers in the Attic." Flash back 80 years ago and you have them wanting to get rid of Baum and Darwin. Different time, same song.

niceund

Just curious....what genre of books are you into? What is your favorite book? Favorite author?

I would recommend The Book Thief...it is based on real life events....I think you would enjoy it?

So once again I ask; why don't conservatives want to become teachers? Why do they just want to complain?

Let's be clear, most, but not all. Back when I went to HS, the 70's, most of us kids had zero clue as to what political affiliation our teachers were and I mean zero. I can't believe kids these days are any different.

A pure NONSENSE post niceund...

I find it difficult to disagree, but I do ask "which parents?" I prefer the will of all the parents that elect the school boards and others to set rules for the schools and not individual parents. There are so many diverse opinions among all the parents, that as individuals they can only create confusion. This is the case for representative government. Technology may lead to direct elections on every issues. But that is for the future to decide. Now, I favor the school boards.

The underlying question is why you think you should make rules and censor for other people's children. Not exactly consistent with small government and personal responsibility that my former party used to espouse, is it, JSK?

I think the public schools are better equipped to provide a broad education than are 2 adults. There are parents who, for example, take their children to churches where the pastor sermonizes that the government should execute people who are gay. While I support the free exercise of that religion, I wouldn't want that perspective to be the only one the child is exposed to.

"It would be interesting to know if you feel that the state system of education is better equipped to form. a child's perspective on sexuality and morality than the parents of the child. That is the underlying question."

No - actually, the underlying ISSUE is school safety. It is the responsibility of schools to make sure they are welcoming and safe for all students. This means including into the curriculum that some people may be different from you - they may have a mom and a dad, come from a single family household, be raised by grandparents, have 2 moms, etc...It also means not passing judgement on students based on who they might love one day. Otherwise, these kids may be the victims of bullying by those who might not be getting those lessons at home.

Search "racist graffiti" and "schools" and you will see evidence that tolerance is not always taught at home. So to me, the underlying question is should schools teach tolerance. And the overwhelming answer is yes - it is all about school (and eventually societal) safety.

Mr. Wolinsky left teaching, but subsequently became a grandpa 5 time, and was involved in the education of kids now 8, 10 and 20. Especially reading and lisstening to audiobooks with them. But the other question: I had some of that discussion with another No-Indoctrination candidate: We (first parents and other family --if they are around-- and then schools and also peers -- DO NOT FORM OUR KIDS. We have tremendous influence, but our job increasingly becomes (for ourselves)) how to let go, and for them to learn -- includeing what they "are" -- for themselves. Tellingly: the ENI "conservatarian" (her word candidate and her husband both though that thinking of children as "property" was in some ways valid.