I’ve been reading the last few days that the CDC is now advising Americans to wear face masks in public in the midst of the COVID-19 panic. But the WHO’s official position is that people should not wear masks unless they have coronavirus or are in contact with those who have it.

The Czech Republic has mandated face mask use when going out in public; Brazil has banned the wearing of face masks in public (though that, arguably, is a whole other issue). No one seems to agree on the issue.

Meanwhile, it’s obvious that we are going to be facing a pretty critical face mask shortage very soon and that it will greatly hamper health care workers’ efforts to fight and contain the virus going forward.

Here’s a thought. Could we all sit down, take a breath and let go of the rabid panic long enough to make some sensible decisions? Maybe we should be reserving face masks for those who actually need them most — our health care workers on the front lines — instead of wantonly wasting this very limited resource early in the game.

COVID-19 is going to be with us for a while. The last reasonable estimates on a vaccine put its arrival at six months to a year out, if all goes well. If we’re serious about “flattening the curve,” then mask conservation is a no-brainer.

Jonathan States

Mount Airy

(77) comments

Greg F

Sick person wearing the mask, others not, reduces transmission by 70%. Just the non-sick person with a mask reduces it by 30%. Both wearing masks reduces down to 1.25% chance of transmission. It's really that simple. Wear the thing already and stop that nonsense you think you're immune.

Greg F

When nobody wears a mask, transmission is nearly universal. When only the non-sick person wears one, it reduces transmission 30%. When just the sick person wears a mask, it reduces transmission by nearly 70%. When both wear a mask, the transmission rate is 1.25%. I'll trust scientists and studies vs a bleach-injecting idiot. You get too close to me without one, you're gonna get maced. Got it?

awteam2000

Is it just me, or others that are uncomfortable with Trump being in the lead in a national crisis? Please, if Pence praises Trump one more time on his great leadership... response to the pandemic only acknowledging a pandemic four weeks ago, while we are now second in lost lives in the world. We are heading for number “1” in deaths by this weekend.

The virus isn’t his fault. But the response is.

It might be a good time to resign, needing to spend more time with his family as an excuse. It’s a proven ,”get out of jail free card.”

Lemmy

It's just you. Calm down Karen.

gomogirl

No it isn't just her. I think a lot of people think that, and rightly so.

oma06

It's just you. He's doing a great job. Calm down!

Greg F

Must be a surplus of Kool-aid in your area....you seem to have drunk a lot of it.

Greg F

A great job...so telling people to inject sanitizers is great? Hundreds of people just in MD did just that..thousands across the entire US. Is that what MAGA is all about?

Greg F

If you're comfortable with Trump at the top, by all means take his suggestion to inject sanitizers and hope for miracles.

Greg F

I am not comfortable with a Trump when he tells people to inject sanitizers and take unproven and dangerous malaria drugs, continually believes quack theories and that miracles will wipe the plague away soon, who's head of the virus task force doesn't wear a mask into Mayo Clinic and says it's so he can make eye contact with who he is talking to, and who constantly lies about when supplies and tests will be available and wants to get the economy open asap at the same time virus levels are spiking. No...I am not comfortable with Trump, Pence or Mitch McConnel and his drug boats.

Greg F

I also don't trust that leader who pays porn stars and lies about it, who befriends dictators and pushes away decades old alliances (that we could use about now), and who still owns businesses that could benefit by early re-opening which he should have long-ago disassociated himself from by blind trust that he did not do any of. He has a motive to re-open, and that is to save Trump casinos, hotels, golf resorts and other entities he has a direct interest that conflicts with our safety. What do you not get about that?

Lev928

Based upon the editorial headline, at first I thought, :"this guy is an idiot". When I read his letter, I realized that he's right.

COVID19 has been known since AT LEAST December of 2019. People that keep track of things like this and PREPARE know this fact.

The reason why we had/have a shortage of basic supplies and critical protective gear is twofold: First, idiots and wealthy people that didn't pay attention nor prepare in advance for ANY critical incident went out a began hoarding basic supplies and masks. Second: those that went on binge shopping sprees created a lack of basic necessities for the public and critical supplies for the first responders and caretakers.

I can tell you this much ... SHAME ON YOU IDIOTS THAT RAIDED GROCERY STORE SHELVES AND PERSONAL PROTECTIVE GEAR THAT YOU WILL PROBABLY NEVER NEED. The first reason is that YOU WERE TOLD TO STAY AT HOME AND CREATE DISTANCE. Yet you fools continue to travel around and go to stores unnecessarily. YOU are the problem. YOU create the spread of the virus.

Those of us that were prepared have no sympathy or empathy for you. They used to make fun of preppers and regular folks that prepared for emergencies over time. Now, those of you that live your lives in denial, simplicity of mind and comfort are struggling ... OR denying the righteous from protecting themselves and your families while caring for the sick and injured. Shame shame shame.

If you're one of those that weren't prepared, not paying attention or robbing American society of their protection, don't come to me for help. You won't get it .. and it's the LAST place you should show your face for your own protection.

jloo

You'll probably get COVID 19. Oh, and I'll have no empathy or sympathy for you. Lol!!

Greg F

I am 100% sure this was known WAY before...like into October. I cannot say exactly why, but let's just say we all had plenty of exercises in mass telework prior.

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Obadiah Plainsmen

Betcha Mr. States was Armillary supervisor at Burger King .

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gabrielshorn2013

Sorry arm, but that is relevant how? If having a scientific or medical degree in order to express one's opinion were required, there would be very few LTEs or comments on this board.

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bosco

What does that have to do with anything here?

d1234

Does Mr. States not realize that the recommendation is to wear "cloth face coverings" and not the masks that are in short supply?

StupidPaywall

Apparently not. Too busy self bloviating.

dirtorsoil

Exactly, he needs to calm down and read _basically any newspaper or online journalistic outlet_ to bring himself up to speed. Also FNP, why did you publish this misinformed and too late to the party "article"....?

threecents

To address the actual LTE, the only reason WHO advised against everyone wearing N95 face masks is that there weren't enough of them. Since they made that decision, it has become clear from new and older studies that ordinary surgeons masks appear to protect just as well against viruses as N95s in clinical settings. So it is assumed that cloth masks are certainly better than nothing. And if they don't have elastic, you can probably microwave them for 30 seconds to sterilize them.

Greg F

Ummm...no, they do not work as well. They work fairly well, especially if the sick wears one and so do others. Many of the dimwits who don't wear one because they feel find don not have a clue they could be contagious without knowing it. Two people wearing N95 or equal is <0.5% transmission rate. Take away either one and you get no better than 30% and as high as 70% transmission.

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rbtdt5

Why are you posting personal information about this person?

phydeaux994

armillary says it perfectly, the face masks recommended for the general public do not need to be the medical quality masks. They are to protect others from the coughs and sneezes and microscopic spittle you put out as you talk. They are not meant to protect you from being infected from someone else, but they probably do help some in that respect too. That’s why everyone should wear one, to protect others.

Moon otter

Wash it with soap. Hang it out on the line and the sun will do the rest. Why do they say wash your hands. Also a bandanna folded into four sections will prevent quite a bit getting in. They already done studies on it, comparing different masks. You'd be surprised what gets filtered out. So wear a mask.

Greg F

Don't wash an N95 or KN95 with soap and water. You CAN spray it with hydrogen peroxide and let it sit to dry to sanitize it. Optimally you'd want to put the peroxide in a vaporizing unit or be able to direct the vapor into a closed metal/plastic box so it is concentrated and put masks in there or whatever you want sanitized. That does work and Duke University studies indicates that does work, or bake them at 160 degrees for 60+ minutes.

Greg F

And by spray, you need to fully wet it while hanging, inside and out.

Dwasserba

Weis Opossomtown has bandanas $2 on display near the office.

Dwasserba

"Late last week, scientists at UPMC and the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine announced a potential vaccine against SARS-CoV-2, the new coronavirus causing the COVID-19 pandemic. A paper on the vaccine appeared April 2 in EBioMedicine. It is the first study on a potential COVID-19 vaccine to be published after peer review from scientific experts.

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Leslie C. Davis

Senior Vice President, UPMC

Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer, Health Services Division 

Steven D. Shapiro, MD"

Greg F

There were early promises of vaccines for Malaria, Dengue Fever, and HIV....and none yet have vaccines. They have HOPE but not 100% concrete that vaccines will have efficacy in the general sense like others have. Even if so, we already see flu vaccines are not a guarantee either. News of a vaccine doesn't give license to stop being smart and working actively to prevent things until they are done. Some of us have better insight than others on this and what news media is reporting from "scientists" who may as well be the 1 of 10 dentists that don't think brushing and flossing or one or another model tooth brush helps teeth or some malarkey like that.

Burgessdr

What the F kinda LTE? Brain dead

bosco

Ask yourself what is the science behind wearing a cloth covering over your own face even if you a asymptomatic. What size is the Covid-19 virus and how many microns does your cloth mask filter? Ask yourself how to properly remove the now-contaminated cloth covering - leave your magic gloves on while removing the covering and touching your face or simply wash your hands and then remove the covering with clean hands? What do you do with the cloth after you have removed it?

armillary

The best thing about Hogan's encouragement that we all wear masks (not N95, just something to catch the spit) is now we can spot the Trump voters. They're the ones not wearing masks.

bosco

[ninja].. wouldn't that be profiling? [wink]

awteam2000

Yes that’s profiling, to think all of Trump followers believe he is truthful, all follow his lead yes would be “profiling”. ‘The cult’, lacking common sense. That’s discriminatory. I can’t believe all Trump supporters are that foolish to believe what he says is gospel. There’s a point when you have to understand that Trump is about Trump, not you. Those that blindly follow his lead are more likely not to wear a mask, and question why. Be careful around them they are more likely to infect.

Obadiah Plainsmen

It is profiling that’s the Democrat platform. Anyway I got a n95 mask and going to wear into the voting booth and vote for Trump.

gabrielshorn2013

And it is equally as foolish to think that Trump supporters do not understand that he is not the expert. That designation goes to Drs. Fauci, Birx, and Adams fulfill those roles.

Jleftwich

“ gabrielshorn2013

Apr 8, 2020 4:53pm

And it is equally as foolish to think that Trump supporters do not understand that he is not the expert. That designation goes to Drs. Fauci, Birx, and Adams fulfill those roles.”

Agreed. Problem is, they often have to play clean up after Trump spews unfounded medical advice. Or, muzzles Dr. Fauci from answering.

dirtorsoil

It's profiling if it involves being arrested/harassed by the police. You are so smug and self assured in your utter ignorance. I can't wait for the generations to turn over....

Greg F

They're the same ones waving confederate flags. The shoe fits.

Moon otter

Wash it with soap. Hang it out on the line and the sun will do the rest. Why do they say wash your hands. Also a bandanna folded into four sections will prevent quite a bit getting in. They already done studies on it, comparing different masks. You'd be surprised what gets filtered out. So wear a mask.

hayduke2

Bosco- where and when did you get your medical degree? I didn't realize Trump University also had a medical degree available.

bosco

Thanks for asking. Not medical, but rather industrial hygiene and public safety. I have conducted testing for airborne contaminates in different types of industries, including asbestos removal, and developed PPE requirements to protect workers. I have also conducted fit tests for various types of masks and respirators. That's why I am aware of the dangers of misuse of PPE by people not trained in its use. Next question?

Obadiah Plainsmen

Your resume is useless on these forums if you voted for Trump.

awteam2000

Bosco, thank you, I’m oblige to - You obviously know that asbestos isn’t transmitted ‘person to person’. Right? And you probably know that wearing a face mask or gloves is certainly not an iron-clad guarantee that you won’t get sick but it can’t hurt. And following proper sanitizing protocol will lead to more likely success.

First question: why are you concern about other people take social precautions? Are you just being facetious?

2nd question: what do you propose as the best, safest means in wearing a face masks, gloves and other PPE for the general public consumption and essential workers - at any time as needed - like going to the store for, paper goods (restocking toilet needs and feminine hygiene needs) the pharmacy for medical needs and food, also let’s not forget medicinal needs. What do suggest? Can we do more than “wash our hands” and staying six feet in distance? Are there other precautions we can incorporate in our social intervention (practices) based on your experience.

phydeaux994

Feeling a little guilty OP? You should.

bosco

AWT - Asbestos can be transmitted person to person if proper PPE is not worn and removed in a negative pressure room. In other words, if someone were to remove friable asbestos in regular clothes and then wear those clothes home. Unlikely to happen nowadays, but it did in the past. Now, on to your questions:

"First question: why are you concern about other people take social precautions? Are you just being facetious?"

Not at all. My concerns are based on people's misuse of PPE by not knowing how or why they are using it - the so-called herd mentality. People wearing a dust mask thinking they are protected, but then wearing it on their chin or on top of their head because the mask is hot or uncomfortable. People wearing gloves without any idea why but then wearing those gloves while touching all sorts of potentially contaminated surfaces and then touching their face while wearing the same gloves or even continuing to wear them while eating a takeout lunch - which I observed. Regular handwashing is better than depending on gloves when a skin absorbtion toxin is not involved.

"2nd question: what do you propose as the best, safest means in wearing a face masks, gloves and other PPE for the general public consumption and essential workers - at any time as needed - like going to the store for, paper goods (restocking toilet needs and feminine hygiene needs) the pharmacy for medical needs and food, also let’s not forget medicinal needs. What do suggest? Can we do more than “wash our hands” and staying six feet in distance? Are there other precautions we can incorporate in our social intervention (practices) based on your experience."

As for me and the rest of Bosco Manor, we are not wearing masks to go to the grocery store, but are scrupulous to maintain a safe distance. We are not wearing gloves, but are scrupulous about sanitizing once we are back in our vehicle after shopping, and rigorous handwashing after returning home. We are also scrupulous about handwashing to break the chain of contamination between any surface our hands touch and our face/food.

Hope this helps.

Wash your hands, wash your hands, wash your hands.

threecents

Right Bosco. That's why I recommend the YouTube videos that show how to make disposable masks from paper towels and rubber bands. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZGU2vWHKC8

awteam2000

I’m not following your logic. Where’s the science that says not wearing a mask 😷 is not safer? S. Korea, Singapore, Japan and China would be a good test studies to suggest wearing masks does reduce social spread.

How to handle your mask: If reusable -wash it? If deposable - throw it away.

Ask yourself why you are concern with people trying to protect others, at the least try to protect themselves from social spread 🤷‍♂️.

I wipe my ‘magical gloves’ off with Clorox Disinfecting Wipes, then take my mask off.

The point is to be extra careful; stay at home but if must go out take extra care not to spread or be infected. That’s a pretty basic scientific hypothesis.

bosco

So, how is wearing the magic gloves and then taking them off with Clorox wipes better than washing your hands?

awteam2000

Good question... you wipe them off while they are still on your hands. Sanitizing them before you take the gloves off prevents spread and infecting yourself.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cleaning-disinfection.html

bosco

But Awt, the question remains what are the gloves protecting you from if not a skin absorbtion hazard? I wear the gloves when working with pesticides or solvents at home since both may be absorbed through the skin. Is the evidence that Covid-19 is absorbed through the skin?

awteam2000

Again , I don’t understand your logic. Aren’t gloves prophylactic against contamination? Then would medical professionals, public servants, and food providers wear them? Just clean them off, before you take them off, that’s simple isn’t it? Where’s the harm in doing so?🤦‍♂️

bosco

Awt, good discussion. A lot of medical and food service people wear gloves out of institutional ignorance thinking that the gloves protect them or their customers/patients, even though they are not sure what from. Customers see food service people in gloves and feel assured that everything is sanitary. Sit and watch a food operation where the rubber gloves are in use and see how many surfaces those gloves touch, including your food.

I did a training class on PPE for some institutional medical people and I had the class culture surfaces in the facility's food and medical operations. They swabbed bare hands, gloved hands, stethoscopes, food trays, etc. Gloved hands, Doctors neckties, and stethoscopes were the worst. Bare hands were not so bad, and freshly washed hands and surfaces cleaned with a bleach solution were the best.

In most settings, all those gloves do is keep the wearer's hands clean, but are an excellent source of cross contamination. And that was back when all we were concerned about was e coli or clostridium perfringens.

gabrielshorn2013

You are correct bosco that often gloved hands provide a false sense of security to those who are not trained to use them properly. Gloves do provide a barrier to ones skin. However, they do nothing to prevent cross-contamination if the user does not sanitize their gloved hands every time after after touching anything.

xJacky1

When visiting and working in a nuclear power plant procedures required donning a cotton glove liner prior to wearing a latex or rubber glove. There is a procedure for doffing the gloves which if done correctly results in clean hand. Does the hand need to be washed it is up to the individual.

dirtorsoil

So why is being a troll so much more attractive than acting like a normal human? You must be a marathon running Cross-Fitter with the most amazing immune system, since you apparently can't get sick. Lets hope you don't......

Greg F

Bosco...it is simple. The Government lied to us about wearing masks at all as they were well aware they wanted all product to go to healthcare workers. I had shipments due for N95 and they were stolen by customs for just that. China is reported to have hoarded masks and equipment and lied as to the severity also to keep it for themselves and medical people and are just now allowing shipments of KN95 masks (of which I got some finally) and now the Government says to wear a face covering (still not N95 recommended). Yeah...my rear end...still lies so we don't protect ourselves first. It is the history of this government to lie to the public, and deceive and not be forthright for some time now, and Trump is being the king cheetah of liars now worse than any dictator in a 3rd world country. If you have an N95, wear it...same with KN95. You can re-use if you properly sanitize (bake 160F for 60-70 min or fully put in hydrogen peroxide vapor or wet with spray if you don't have a vaporizer). Some of us aren't risking no N95 or equivalent at all knowing the lies that are out there. People are better wearing something vs nothing, but take it for granted it's not as good as it can be if you really want to stay safe. As for me, it is likely telework is now a permanent thing until there's a proven vaccine, as is masking in public with as good as I can find (n95 or as good). I will not risk that a cloth mask is going to stop anything, much less something virus sized.

Jleftwich

There's literally a crap ton on "how to" videos on youtube on how to make your own mask so there is not a run on surgical / N95 masks.

Or, we can just stay the F home and not worry about masks.

beyoungjr

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dirtorsoil

Its not that easy for those that live in cities... you cannot "stay the F home" just to get your mail or even sit on your porch. Not everyone lives in the burbs like you.... privileged much?

sevenstones1000

I feel like I just read a letter by the SNL character Emily Letella.

Please listen to the entire news story, not just the headline. Homemade masks which you can easily assemble yourself from a tea towel and two rubber bands, or even a cotton scarf or bandanna covering your nose and mouth, will help protect all the rest of us from YOU.

As Emily would say “Never mind.”

armillary

"I feel like I just read a letter by the SNL character Emily Letella." Yeah, for a while I was sure it was a Rick Blatchford column.

awteam2000

What’s in short supply are surgical masks especially the respirators N95 masks. There is no shortage of anti-dust masks, checkout Amazon. You should cover your mouth and nose in public if not for yourself for others

gary4books

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armillary



Conserve masks that are medical grade
but use something like Hogan conveyed
a bandanna, no more
when you go to the store
so your cashier is not getting sprayed.

gary4books

millary - just perfect! [thumbup][thumbup][beam]

solicitations

Since you can't guarantee that you are not an asymptomatic covid carrier, I'd appreciate it if you'd wear a mask when you're in my airspace. Your concerns about supply shortage are valid, so make your own mask.

gary4books

[thumbup][thumbup] Exactly correct.

bosco

When the restaurants reopen they could establish Covid and No Covid seating areas, just like when smoking was allowed and there was an invisible barrier to protect the non-smokers. [ninja]

awteam2000

Who would eat in a restaurant with “Covid and No Covid seating areas?”

We are not at the point where we can distinguish on a mass scale who is positive, who hasn’t been infected and still vulnerable, and those that have been infected (were asymptomatic) but now are immune and not a threat. That is one of the problems that will have to be addressed to get the economy going.

I would assume the far majority of people would want to work in “coronavirus free zone” or eat in a restaurant that you feel comfortable in.

JustACitizen

I certainly hope this is tongue-in-cheek, especially from someone who touts his credentials but misspells the words "contaminants" and "absorption" in earlier comments.

chris

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