Before we accuse a political figure of being a racist, as has been done in a letter to the editor in this newspaper (“Fitzwater should not be placed in a position of authority, Monday, Sept. 5, Page A9), perhaps we should better understand the context in which Jessica Fitzwater discussed racism during a Frederick County Council meeting in 2020. Our society has passively absorbed over 400 years of cultural norms, and thus “normalized” racism until it is not easily recognized ... unless, of course, you become the target of such disrespect. So, perhaps it is wise to have some respect for those who are willing to publicly initiate the conversation about racism, and join them in working to create a “more perfect union” for us all.

Barbara Biser

(80) comments

DickD

Fitzwater has finally started her campaign, pointing out how Hough supports banning abortions. Way to go Fitzwater! More similar ones, point out how he makes fun of you saying you are a racist while he supports Mooney as his election chairman. Hit him hard.

threecents

This line from the LTE is true, and some of you need to ask yourselves why it upsets you so to acknowledge it, "..perhaps it is wise to have some respect for those who are willing to publicly initiate the conversation about racism, and join them in working to create a more perfect union for us all."

phydeaux994

👍👍

Piedmontgardener

Three, there's a line here. The progressives have truly shot themselves in the foot with the need to include flagellation of modern day people - it's give the hard right a hammer to smash liberals with. So...while I appreciate her willingness to explore her own feelings, she doesn't speak for me here at all. Still, I'll vote for her, because I understand her motivations in that comment, but I'm so done with this type of rhetoric in the Democratic Party from progressives. Just do the deal for everyone, observe and teach the history and move us forward. That's "progressive". Yoking people into a mindset isn't that. My two cents to your three.

mrnatural1

[thumbup] Piedmont.

threecents

PMG, I don't disagree with you.

jsklinelga

Piedmont

I would not vote for Ms. Fitzwater for other reasons but I sincerely appreciate your level headed and reasonable comment. We need more of that in present day America. I respect your vote for her because it comes from a reasonable thoughtful process

Piedmontgardener

Thank you, JSK. That was a decent thing to say.

DickD

Yes, but you would vote for Trump, nelga. lol

Boomer631B

She makes the claim she is a racist - that in itself should disqualify her for office... vote Hough and we will be so much better of in the long run. Jessica is a flaming liberal that will give away the county to the real progressives of the teacher's union and so much more...

mrnatural1

Boomer,

Whether a person supports Fitzwater or Hough it's important to know that Jessica was not standing in front of a burning cross in full KKK regalia declaring that she believes that Caucasians are the "Master Race".

I suspect you know that.

She was actually (according to most dictionaries) using the word "racist" incorrectly -- as many/most people do these days.

My sense, without speaking with her or hearing her further explain her statement is that she should have used the word "prejudiced" -- meaning that like almost everyone (or all races), she has some prejudices -- perhaps some that are subconscious.

I'm sure it's tempting to take what she said out of context, but if Hough is a solid enough candidate he should be able to win without his supporters doing that.

Boomer631B

She is a terrible candidate and most likely based on her own words either playing to the voters and/or just plain stupid; either case she should not be elected and maybe should not be teaching students any more....

mrnatural1

I watched the video.

My take is that if Jessica is 'guilty' of anything it's being overly woke.

What she seemed to be saying was that most if not all people (whites, and perhaps all races) including herself are somewhat racist.

I disagree. First of all, as was discussed in another comment section recently, the word "racist" (like "hero") has been overused to the point where it's meaning has been watered down. The definition of "racist" is:

"a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race"

By that definition, very few people are actually racists. They may be bigots or prejudiced, but not racists.

Jessica also mentioned "white privilege". It definitely exists, but perhaps not quite to the degree Eddie Murphy implies:

"White Like Me - SNL":

https://youtu.be/l_LeJfn_qW0

jsklinelga

mrnatural

A touch of originalism

shiftless88

jsk, the man who admits to buying goods from a store he knows is owned/run by a racist. In other words, you knew the store supported racism but you patronized it anyway and supported them. So no, we aren't taking your input on racism.

jsklinelga

shiftless

You seem to ignore the rest of the story where I asked if that would be an appropriate word to be used in schools and he emphatically said no. Also he has received awards for his EMT responses. Should people refuse treatment from him?

shiftless88

You went into a store where you knew the person who owned it and ran it was a racist, by your own admission, and shopped there anyway. Full Stop.

Pro-Choice/Privileged W. Woman

Try and see the world through a Person of color eyes, before you imply white privilege doesn’t exist to the degree Eddie Murphy implies…..privileged white people are blind to how much white privilege exists, you understand that right?

mrnatural1

Pro,

I'm not the enemy.

Did you watch the skit? Yes, of course white privilege exists -- but bankers do not throw cash at white people just because they lack melanin. The skit exaggerated white privilege to a ridiculous degree for comedic effect.

Most people agree that people are often treated differently because of their appearance. Race is of course a major factor, but clothing; hair length/style; tattoos; piercings, etc., all can influence how a person is treated. Of course race/ethnicity is not a choice, as the others are.

The extent to which white privilege exists in any specific interaction is hard to determine -- and it can vary tremendously from one situation to the next. For example, I've been treated professionally when pulled over by police, but I've also been slammed on the trunk of my car and handcuffed for bogus charges the trooper invented that were later thrown out. Were most cops polite (even occasionally friendly) because I'm white? Maybe, but perhaps most of them would behave the same with minorities. Or, maybe not. But how would we know? I suppose these days their body cam video could be analyzed. That might be useful.

Also, while prejudice, bigotry, and actual racism are clearly still with us, there are people who see it where it does not exist. For example, there was a guy at Metro who was from Yemen. He had brown skin and dark curly hair. He had an EE degree and was very intelligent. He was also very full of himself. He made it clear that he considered himself to be 'better' than most of his coworkers. Apparently he was some sort of prince in Yemen and expected to be treated with deference. Needless to say, his attitude did not win many people over. He told an African American employee (who he presumably thought would understand) that people did not like him because of his appearance and/or where he was from.

Of course nothing could have been further from the truth. Our dept. had people from all over the world. Everyone got along. In my 27+ years there, I only met one (white) guy who was clearly bigoted. He talked like Archie Bunker. The thing about bigots is that most of them are stupid enough to think that all white people agree with them. So they make themselves known (when they think it's "safe" to do so). I never heard anyone say anything derogatory about the guy from Yemen (aside from his personality).

Point being that while there is no question that 'white privilege', bigotry, and prejudice exist -- it is also easy for people who are different in appearance (skin color; clothing; hair style; tattoos, etc.) to point to those differences when *sometimes* it's their personality or behavior that is the reason for how people react to them.

That said, it's easy to show that white privilege exists. For example, there have been demonstrations using people hailing cabs -- a white guy in jeans and a t-shirt and a well-dressed black man in a suit with a briefcase. Time after time, the cabbies (pre-Uber) would pass up the black guy for the white guy. No doubt other 'stings' could be done -- two people go into a bank or business, both identical except for skin color. Record how they are treated. Things like that are helpful to expose and counter white privilege.

jsklinelga

mrnatural

Well stated. Of course natural discrimination exist and certainly there are still pockets of blatant discrimination. But in the corporate, government and public business sectors it is far less prevalent. Sometimes just the opposite with programs like affirmative action and equity based hiring. White privilege is used far to often as is racist.And used in error.

phydeaux994

Examples jsk. Should be simple enough. And do you have any evidence to prove my comments incorrect?

Pro-Choice/Privileged W. Woman

I never said you were the enemy Mr. Natural, I am saying as privileged white people we are blind to the privileges we have as privileged white people…we cannot see what has never been a problem for us .. I’m not sure what you were trying to say above ?

threecents

[thumbup]Eddie Murphy was no Richard Pryor

TwoDawgs56

Actually, it should be called, “Liberal White Privilege,” Just ask the residents of Mah-Tha’s Vineyard.

Hayduke2

Perhaps you ought to look to DeSantis and Abbot for that TwoDawgs... Who is the more concrete example of showing white privilege ??

phydeaux994

And what did those folks on Martha’s Vineyard do when those two planes landed unexpectedly on their Island. They helped them with food and shelter and medical attention, including sending one little girl suffering from a medical emergency to the hospital. Just like the people in D.C. and New York and Chicago are helping them. The one’s DeSantis is sending are from Texas, not Florida. It’s the Republibans that have killed Comprehensive Immigration Reform since Reagan that is causing this mess. Invite them in, teach them to be truck drivers and factory workers and decently paid ag workers and construction workers.

C.D.Reid

Yeah, fido, they fed those illegals, and then got rid of them 44 hours after they arrived. "Rules for thee, but not for me" is the slogan of the liberal left, and you know it.

phydeaux994

Ms. Fitzwater statement about her having “White Privilege” was meant for those around here who deny that such a thing exists. She was telling them it does exist and we need to work toward giving everyone the same privilege. Ms. Fitzwater does not believe that the White race is superior to the Black race or any other race. Calling others Racist is the weapon Racist’s use to hide their Racism just like all the other words like “woke” and “CRT” and “groomers” etc. which they well know are lies.

threecents

Yah, it is like when Trump says he is the least racist person in the world or he has the best words or knows the most about Iran.

DickD

Working for A.T. & T., I recall the first black man hired as a technician. Before that, none! And that is what Fitzwater meant. Those of us that are white benefit from hiring, firing and wage practices. I certainly knew and now know that we, whites, benefit from racism, even if we have no direct involvement in those practices. For those so poorly informed or unwilling to accept known facts, there is no hope.

Dwasserba

[thumbup]Dick How are white people even to know how and when they have benefited from advantages inherent behind the scenes of their lives? Why deny it. At least be neutral.

jsklinelga

Dwas

How are people to know it exist? By common sense,natural observation and compassion For most of my life I have witnessed the inequities and have worked in different situations to alleviate the inequities. The main problem many have now is that it is being used as a political weapon or leverage to help push or distract from other items on the progressive agenda. We see it far too often in this section and life. If you disagree with anything on the progressive agenda you are racist or white privilege

Thankfully great progress has been made but not in the areas that suffer the most such as Chicsgo. LA. Bmore. White privilege is not the central cause of the prolonged and grave problem.

Pro-Choice/Privileged W. Woman

JSK….spoken like someone with white privileges…

phydeaux994

jsk, you keep denying that Racism is at the root of the division and hate and social problems we have in America. So specifically name the things you believe are at the root of these problems. Again, name the issues that you believe are destroying our Democracy. The issues jsk, not your generic “lots of things” or “the Democrats”. What are the things that caused you to go from Radical Left to Radical Right? Do you believe that Trump is innocent and has led America along the right path? What is the central cause of the prolonged and grave problem? Thanks.

shiftless88

again reminding people that jsk is okay with supporting racists.

phydeaux994

jsk, where are you? My questions to you are legitimate, you should be eager to prove me wrong. But you won’t because I am right and you are wrong. Proven over and over by a myriad of FNPOF contributors.

DickD

You don't know, Deb. But you do know that it exists.

DickD

Thanks, Barbara! With all the lies being spread by Mike Hough how can anyone vote for him! Oh, Mike is a MAGA Republican, he supported Mooney and Trump and now blames what Blaine did on Gardner, who has spent 8 years cleaning up as much of that mess as she can. If we are Montgomery North or going to be, it will not be Fitzwater's fault, it likely will be Mike Hough if he does as Blaine did in taking all the builders money to campaign.

AOC

According to MarylandMatters.org; “The Maryland State Education Association’s Fund for Children and Public Education Political Action Committee is investing $72,900 to air the spot on Frederick County cable channels and digital platforms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYbunKH5exw

AOC

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 28, 2022 AT 5 PM – 8 PM

County Executive Candidate Forum

Arc at Market Street

bhall74

Do you think the teacher's unions view Jessica as being in their corner when it comes to future pay raises and changes to benefits and working conditions? How would Democrats make it without the teacher's union funding?

jsklinelga

[thumbup]

AOC

Bhall74, you have zeroed in on what is the primary problem in Maryland and Frederick County politics. As I posted yesterday, there is no better example of the undue influence of the “education lobby” than the revelation last year of the unlawful use of seclusion and restraint by FCPS.

When the news of the DOJ report hit the media the array of comments were quite interesting:

Alban, who has served in her role since 2011, also generally defended the teaching staff and district’s approach to student outbursts.

“I was stunned,” Alban said. “I’m truly upset that my board felt like they got blindsided, and that it kind of hit the community before we could prepare our staff to answer questions and address things … I’m deeply troubled by the way this came out, because we had tried to be much more strategic in thinking about the communication.”

Frederick County Democratic Central Committee called on Alban to resign.

The News-Post reached out to the seven elected Board of Education members Thursday. One — Vice President Karen Yoho — did not respond to a request for comment. Five — President Jay Mason and members Brad Young, Sue Johnson, David Bass and Jason Johnson — declined to speak on the DOJ’s findings before their discussion with Alban.

In an email to the community Wednesday night, the district wrote that the DOJ “review” was “isolated to 125 students enrolled in specialized programs.” Barrett criticized that phrasing, too.

Board of Education Vice President Sue Johnson said she’s committed to “understand[ing] the full nature of the problem.”

When the DOJ findings were revealed, the information the civil rights division gathered was extensive, and had to take months to gather especially since they researched as far-back at 2017. The FNP failed to highlight how the information was compiled and failed to mention several critical material facts.

In the 2017 Legislative Session of the Maryland General Assembly a law passed unanimously by both chambers.

MD SB786

Education - Restraint and Seclusion - Consideration and Reporting

Maryland State Department of Education (MSDE) to convene a task force to examine policies and practices related to behavioral interventions in schools, including the use of restraint, seclusion, and trauma-informed interventions. The task force must report to the State Board of Education and the General Assembly by October 1, 2017, on specified findings and recommendations related to seclusion. MSDE must propose regulations to the State board by December 1, 2017. The bill also requires public agencies, as defined by the bill, and nonpublic schools to report annually on the use of physical restraint and seclusion

Each year MSDE forwarded the findings in a detailed report to the Speaker of the House, President of the Senate and the Governor. Here is the first report, showing Frederick County had problems the detailed statistics are shocking. Remember, Frederick County stats were provided by FCPS staff.

http://dlslibrary.state.md.us/publications/Exec/MSDE/ED7-1102.1(4)(ii)_2018.pdf

DOJ statistical analysis was in large part based on information from MSDE reports. None of the document recipients, in state government, sounded the alarm. MDSE who had the information for years and did nothing. But when the DOJ report broke, MSDE regained consciousness.

https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/education/state-education-department-announces-top-to-bottom-review-of-seclusion-restraint-policies/article_e72e148e-fe18-5d4d-8aff-0681b30ce6a7.html

When legislation was passed by the MGA, in the last legislative session, Governor Hogan didn’t want to run afoul of teachers and would not sign the legislation and allowed it to become law on its own.

In the article above included this quote:

Frederick County Board of Education President Brad Young said Monday that he expected the district to go “above and beyond” what H.B. 1255 requires.

“It was happening in every county,” Young said of the problems revealed by the DOJ investigation. “We happened to be the focus of that suit, but it was happening in every county.”

Reading that report, it is impossible to believe that the Board of Education and FCPS management did not know of the problem. The question must be asked why did they fail to act. Could it have been politics? Do the elected members feel indebted to the FCTA for funding their political advertising and for receiving the coveted “apple ballot” endorsement.

The current and possibly the future county executive, several county council members and 80% of the BOE are indebted to the group for their election. As reported in the FNP, “Barrett told the News-Post on Thursday that she filed a complaint about Yoho with the board's ethics panel, citing Board Policy 109.3, which deals with conflicts of interest. She said it was unethical for Yoho to receive contributions from the same union the board was negotiating with.”

No better example of why "Citizens United" was a faulty decision than this FCTA video about how much money has been collected for their PAC (which includes members, some who do not live in Frederick County or even the State of Maryland) who support "public education" decoded: "give us everything we want."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Sd-NFkdaOk

Why is FCTA allowed to conduct “political strategy meetings” in school a library

Fredginrickey

How would Hough compete without MAGAT real estate and developer $$$$$?

Pro-Choice/Privileged W. Woman

There is no reply button under AOC's post..so I'm replying here..also does anyone understand the point they are making?

AOC...Why is FCTA allowed to conduct “political strategy meetings” in school a library....Why is that a problem? Maybe if you could point out what the problem is then your posts would make more sense..otherwise it was just another word salad post from you...I mean were you not invited or something?

AOC

Fred, both parties are guilty of that. The first CE debate is sponsored by the Frederick County Chamber of Commerce, Frederick County Builders and Frederick County Realtors in a location that has limited seating for a few regular folks to attend, but is primarily for their membership.

On their website they posted the following:

We have partnered with the Frederick County Chamber of Commerce and Frederick County Building Industry Association (FCBIA) to host a panel on industry related topics.

It would have been better if those groups rented the FCC theater and open it to the public. Did you know that Karen Lewis Young met privately with the realtors association on, Thursday, September 15, 2022, 1:30pm-2:30pm, 478 Prospect Blvd, Frederick, MD 21701.

That is the problem with politics; they meet in private with special interest groups first before ever having a forum with the general public. How do we know what the politicians promised in private?

Pro-Choice/Privileged W. Woman

Oh so this is about transparency……, AOC

I just wanted you to say it out loud. I also want you to point out the other side for their lack of transparency…because both sides are guilty for lacking transparency in their political dealings…how many private meetings did President Biden have with Joe Manchin to get this latest bill passed?

You know I’m thinking about the twice-impeached, ex-president and those classified documents he wasn’t transparent about having in an unsecured location. See I helped you out…I can list more examples of lack of transparency from the other side if you would like…just let me know?

Deals are made all the time behind closed doors, I am not sure why you have your knickers in knots over that?

That’s politics right?

Have you heard this past week about all the deals 45 made behind closed doors when he President?

These days it’s just safer to keep on the down low until the deals are finalized…also the last person anyone should trust is a politician…or do you trust 45 tells the truth all the time AOC?

DickD

How would Blaine Young done without money from construction? And how about the one we cannot name, De Lauter? Oops,

jsklinelga

AOC

Great comment 2:42 pm. The teachers'' union is one of the most powerful lobbying. groups in the State and the country. As I pointed out in an earlier letter 96%.of political donations by the group sponsor Democrat candidates. and initiatives

The fact that a person holding public office can vote on a budget that directly impacts the pay and benefits of another public position they hold is unethical no matter what an assistant attorney General of the same party rules' They know it but they turn a blind eye to the ethics as they turned a blind eye to their unlawful behavior concerning restraints

It is a shame as we have friends and neighbors who work for the school board. Some their entire life. Certainly they are caught in the middle as their livelihood and retirement is through the system

DickD

You just don't believe that their impact was ruled "de minimus", do you? Why not? Everyone has some bias, you do too. You want money for a religious school to support your religious views. I believe religion i best taught by a church or other religious group with the parents help and support. Money made available for a public education shouldn't be funneled off for religious reasons, especially if you believe in separation of church and state.

phydeaux994

The Teachers Union is the only support group that keeps them from being crushed. Even at that they are overworked, underpaid, and reviled by the anti-Education MAGATS for reasons that can’t be understood. The Right doesn’t like educated kids. The Right wants to keep their “base” unEducated and deplorable just like they want their Women to be barefoot and pregnant. The Right is White Supremacist Men and as is obvious they want to keep it that way. You don’t believe that?? Show me one woman, one POC, one anything else in the Power Structure of the Right.

Public Discourse

"The Right is White Supremacist Men and as is obvious they want to keep it that way. You don’t believe that?? Show me one woman, one POC, one anything else in the Power Structure of the Right."

You should be angery with teachers, they certainly never taught you anything about "black history." February is Black History Month, sounds like you need to crack the books for all 28 days. Just one question, is ignorance bliss? Don't look now but your predjudice is showing.

General Colin Powell

65th United States Secretary of State

12th Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

15th United States National Security Advisor

Booker T. Washington

Current LtGov. Boyd Rutherford

Current LtGov of Virginia Winsome Sears

Fmr. Lt Gov. Michael Steele

Senator Tim Scott

Fmr.Congressman Allen West

Fmr. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice

Justice Clarence Thomas

Georgia House Rep. Alveda Celeste King

Dr. Ben Carson

phydeaux994

Those you name are Black people who have achieved great things in their lives. None of them have been leaders of the Radical Right Wing Trump Republibans that we have seen corrupting the Party starting with Newt Gingrich in 1994 and culminating with the MAGATS of the present. I repeat… “Show me one woman, one POC, one anything else in the Power Structure of the Right in the last 25 years”. Peace.✌️😷

Pro-Choice/Privileged W. Woman

Also Phy..the list is very short considering the size of the Republican party....I mean I'm sure PD thought it would be an impressive list..but really it just shows how true your statement is...you know about the power structure of the right....because they couldn't list one woman or POC that is in the Power Structure of the Right...so I'm not sure what point AOC was trying to make...? but okay...I'm sure they had fun Googling it...?

bhall74

As the author of this LTE notes, along with more than one commenter, context is important. For those of you who want to see/hear the context in which Fitzwater made these statements, go to this link (https://www.therealjessicafitzwater.com/) and within this link you will find the video of the County Council meeting in which these statements were made. Go to 4:08 in the video and start watching so as to ensure you get can see the full context.

Pro-Choice/Privileged W. Woman

I have found in my time commenting here, the ones(mainly polite white people) that get most offended by my comments and/or screen name are the people that can see themselves in my words.

If you find yourself being offended by Ms. Fitzwater's words on racism then perhaps you are the problem....polite white people? Just sayin...

AOC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xqodjauwT0

AOC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuWiuqYcjXQ

Pro-Choice/Privileged W. Woman

You know most of the time I haven't a clue what your point is AOC...? Are you making a point..with these YouTube links..? Maybe just come right out and say what's on your mind....because otherwise I'm [rolleyes][rolleyes] sometimes so far up in my head....AOC may you be blessed by the gift of making a point..

Side note: .also we need a face palm emoji...because I find myself doing that to many comments I read...but this emoji will have to do...[huh]

bhall74

AOC, it would appear that privy is trolling you and me today in her usual smart @$$ way where she apparently believes that she's so much smarter and intelligent than everyone else. You can sense how she is looking down her nose from her ivory tower at those who she feels are her equals...which is so typical of leftist elitists. All she's demonstrating on this thread is how obtuse she is given the links that both you and I have provided that make what Jessica Fitzwater said perfectly clear to anyone with any intelligence.

phydeaux994

You seem to have a serious inferiority complex Mr. Hall. You disparage people with degrees and people who are intelligent and think they are looking down their nose at you, calling them Elitists. No, they’re just people living their lives with jobs and kids and contributing to their Communities in positive ways. Ms. Fitzwater and others like her especially who want to make life better for EVERY citizen in Frederick County and Maryland and the U.S. and the World and does something about it. You could do the same.

phydeaux994

Why do you say that to AOC or another of your ally’s instead of to the person or people you are taking about?

bhall74

privy, I doubt too many "polite white people" see themselves in your "words", so much as they just take offense at your "words". So, why don't you tell us exactly what Ms. Fitwater's words on racism meant? I'm sure everyone will benefit from being lectured by you and your great intellect.

Pro-Choice/Privileged W. Woman

well since you responded to my post...bhall, I think I just proved my point. Have a nice rest of your day...[wink][wink]...may you be blessed by the grace of knowledge..

jsklinelga

procboice

I am glad bhall and AOC are on point this morning I would not even look at your comments, usually, because of their illogical and errant suppositions. This one was short so I read it and it justifies my normal reaction.

Calling out a certain group of people in a derogatory manner entirely based on their skin color is blatant racism. And it is sad but laughable you accuse others.

Pro-Choice/Privileged W. Woman

LOL...You read every word of my comments JSK...who are you kidding? Stop telling lies...

So are you saying I as a privileged white person am being racist against privileged white people? Interesting...well carry on, I'd like to hear more....

public-redux

I’m reading “Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind” by Yuval Noah Harari right now. Just finished the section on how various cultures create and maintain hierarchies. I highly recommend the book.

Blueline

A better use of print would have been to outline that context.

bhall74

That's easy, Fitzwater is a jokester who believes she suffers from white privilege and that makes her, and all white people, racists. As far as I am concerned, that disqualifies her for elected office, because it shows me she doesn't have common sense.

olefool

bhall, When I review most of your comments here they signify that you are not qualified to judge other people's common sense... Perhaps if your comments were more civil and without the ad homonyms your words might seem more relevant.

bhall74

olefool, so instead of commenting on the article, or defending Fitzwater, you decided to attack me...talk about irrelevance.

gary4books

ole = I tend to agree.

bhall74

wokester, not jokester (spell check strikes again)

Hayduke2

Context is important. Words taken out of context or discussed from your own point of view doesn't always provide an accurate picture.

Burgessdr

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AOC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuWiuqYcjXQ

Burgessdr

A better use of your time would be to listen to the hearing yourself and hear the context yourself rather than reading the comments of a crackpot in the initial LTE and making an uninformed comment. FYI since you are very unlikely to do that, the context is that she was referring to what some people implied in the public testimony part of the hearing. Actually reading this LTE she was bringing up a sensitive issue as a good politician should, and the gets blasted by the haters, who as we all know haters are going to hate, rather than actually say anything remotely productive.

bhall74

Another commenter trying to 'splain that what Jessica said not what she meant as if this commenter can read Jessica's mind.

Pro-Choice/Privileged W. Woman

So then are you saying we should listen to your perspective Bhall on what Ms. Fitzwater meant? Can you read minds..? If you can read minds you should be in Vegas earning the big bucks...or at the very least YouTube, then AOC can posts links of you...reading minds..lol

mrnatural1

Exactly Burgess. [thumbup]

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