I read with great interest Gene Stanton’s editorial on March 17, “The vast majority of immigrants should be made welcome to our shores.” I agree with several of his premises, mainly that we are, in fact, from our origins, a nation made up of people who immigrated here from many foreign shores. And yes, many of the immigrants come here for the same reasons today as they did nearly 400 years ago: freedom, safety, opportunity.

His final paragraph was especially well-written. I commend him.

Unfortunately, Mr. Stanton’s broad generalizations ignored or hid several troubling facts that should give all of us pause.

First, a number of immigrants who come here nowadays have no intention of assimilating into the American texture, unlike the original immigrants he celebrates in the article. In fact, large numbers of modern immigrants loudly proclaim that they will not learn or honor our language, our flag, our laws. I see this every day in the high school where I teach, and I hear it in stores, on the sidewalks, in theaters.

Second, far too many immigrants take jobs with employers who do not require them to pay taxes and often get the benefit of food stamps, free school tutoring, driver’s licenses, reduced or subsidized housing, and other benefits without paying. This increases the burden on law-abiding citizens to compensate for these free tokens.

Worse, some of Mr. Stanton’s arguments also do not pass the smell test. To address a few: that the Republicans in Congress refuse to work on immigration; that they are slaves to rich donors; that they fear the mass of immigrants will become Democrats. Such ad hominem attacks and broad generalities vitiate many of his article’s serious points.

Finally, I was troubled by Mr. Stanton’s blithe shrug of “Oh well” at the fact of immigrants here illegally — in fact, he champions and welcomes them, at one point saying even those who “broke laws” should be seen as “heroes.” If he was referring to such actions as Rosa Parks or Cesar Chavez standing up against an unjust law, then we would all concur. But he gives us noble words like “hero” without any examples. It is true that we cannot and should not summarily remove all 18 million illegals. Those that have abided by our laws and become tax-paying residents should not fear deportation. But those who are undocumented and are making no attempt to become legal citizens have no reason to expect to stay here, nor should they be allowed to. For those who say “Oh, no, let them stay, regardless,” then why don’t you sponsor them?

DAVID SAMPSELLE

Mount Airy

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threecents

From my admittedly limited experience, it seems to me that the average immigrant loves America more and works harder and for less compensation than the average American.

gary4books

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DickD

Yes, but in the long run they too are Americans.[thumbup]

caidentistry1

You are right, all immigrants around me love America and work hard. They really do honor the flag, language and are very ethical. We should also open our hearts towards them. Immigration lawyers are working on this purpose.
https://www.hanoverlawpc.com/immigration-lawyer-attorney-near-me-fairfax-va/

DickD

David, there are so many falsehoods, in your LTE, it was hard to decide where to start.

David, you claim undocumented workers are working "under the table" to avoid paying taxes. If true, how is that the fault of the immigrant; isn't that an employer responsibility?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreported_employment
Workers and employers who engage in this practice generally make and receive payments in cash, and the employer often does not check the employee's background or credentials, as is sometimes required by law or otherwise expected by the industry's client base, such as a license or professional certification. While the hiring of the employee may or may not be legal in itself, it is often done when the employer or the employee is intentionally failing to obey one or more laws.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/food-stamps-immigrants_us_58dac4fbe4b01ca7b42793c4?mu5wglmlfzu1pp66r
For starters, undocumented immigrants cannot take part in the food stamp program."U.S. Department of Agriculture, the agency that oversees SNAP, remains that there are no immigration consequences linked with participation in the program."
"Even immigrants living in the United States as lawful permanent residents (aka green card holders) must live in the country for five years before they qualify for the program, though some states — like California and Minnesota — run their own state-funded food assistance programs that have slightly different eligibility requirements."
".... the USDA, only about 4 percent of SNAP recipients are either refugees or other types of non-citizens."

Free tutoring: This is required by law, it does bother me and needs to be changed. Changed because it impacts our property taxes and we should not be expected to educate the world with our property taxes.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/08/11/department-of-education-unaccompanied-illegal-immigrant-minors-entitled-to-public-education/
“All children in the United States are entitled to equal access to a public elementary and secondary education, regardless of their or their parents’ actual or perceived national origin, citizenship, or immigration status,” the fact sheet explains. “This includes recently arrived unaccompanied children, who are in immigration proceedings while residing in local communities with a parent, family member, or other appropriate adult sponsor.”

Drivers licenses are controlled by the state and vary by state. The license issued states they cannot be used for boarding planes or voting.

subsidized housing - If you have illegals, you are not elgible.
http://www.masslegalhelp.org/housing/finding-public-and-subsidized-housing/immigrants.pdf

awteam2000

DickD, thank you addressing some of the falsehoods in this letter. [thumbup][thumbup][thumbup]

DickD

"The license issued states they cannot be used for boarding planes or voting." This should have stated; The license issued, in Maryland, states they cannot be used for boarding planes or voting.

jerseygrl42

Well said David and shame on the montgomery school leadership and those in state govt who wish to create an ILLEGAL state of MD whereby it becomes acceptable to violate the laws of the land. Illegal aliens should not be welcomed nor tolerated, we allow 1.2 Million to enter this country annually and as a nation we have always welcomed folks LEGALLY...we must build the wall , deport the 180K convicted criminals released onto our streets by obama and then get to work on resolving the remainder who should NOT get a free pass

DickD

jersey, even the most conservative web sites I could find only stated 70,000 criminals released and they were for minor infractions.

shiftless88

We all know by now that Jersey uses Trumpian statistics. They don't need to be the truth, they just need to make a point.

shiftless88

I want to point out the rose-colored view of the past where immigrants seamlessly integrated into the existing culture. Apparently you've never been to Chinatown, or other ethnic neighborhoods like Little Italy. In fact, immigrants generally were segregated, or self segregated, into ethnic enclaves. Some of these were within cities, and others were regions (look at areas like Minnesota and the UP of Michigan). My great grandparents came from Italy and the kids learned English but the parents never did. So let's not fool ourselves that our ancestors all dissolved straight into the melting pot. They did not.

DickD

We had Italian immigrants in our small town, they were highly regarded and liked. The parents couldn't speak English too good, the children were the same as the rest.

tonyc51

Good verses well?

awteam2000

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Dwasserba

"For those who say 'Oh, no, let them stay, regardless,' then why don’t you sponsor them?" This is a good idea. Where's the app?

phydeaux994

Do we have a choice whether they stay or not Dwasserba? They've been here since the 1960's.

gary4books

Few will remember the film "Don't Raise the Bridge, Lower the River" but it does explain that we always have options - even when some work and others do not. Just a few years ago the House of Representatives had a bill passed by the Senate for Immigration reform. Had there been a vote in the House it would have passed and w would have no argument about legal or illegal. We are ageing. We do need workers. Most will work and go home, given a proper work environment and scheduled saving plans. It worked that way in the 50's with the Bracero Program and while not perfect it is an example of what we can do. Do not slander guest workers with misleading statistics. Fix the law.

tonyc51

Change the subject, conflating legal and illegal, throwing in irrelevant tidbits to confuse, no one slandered (which seems to be a word you fail to understand) anyone, nor misstated facts in this LTE. Would you mind pointing them out, I mean facts not things that are against your opinion. The last attempt by W to pass immigration reform failed in the senate, with both parties being the reason, "with only 12 of the 49 Senate Republicans sticking by him on the key procedural vote that determined the bill’s fate. Nearly one-third of Senate Democrats voted, in effect, to block action on the bill." I agree fix the law but put the blame where it belongs on both parties. Democrats had the opportunity in the first years of the Obama presidency with majorities in both houses, did they do it, NO.

phydeaux994

Eleven million illegal aliens in the Country with more coming in daily. That is the reality. What do you propose to be done about that in the short term Tony?

tonyc51

Deport all that have criminal activity above a misdemeanor, Insist on payment of taxes by all, institute a community service requirement, require that they learn English, and learn civics. After the fulfilment of those requirements grant them full citizenship. Enforce all the laws on employers, with heavy sanctions on those that violate the law. But mainly stop all the demagogy on both side of the subject.

tonyc51

I also meant to add enforce the borders, thereby controlling who comes in, but continue the legal immigration policies as always.

phydeaux994

I would say that your ideas constitute immigration reform. Not happening, especially in the short term. How would you deal with this today? Is your aim to have all eleven million leave the Country? Or do you believe we need these workers?

gary4books

More leaving every day than arriving.

phydeaux994

If more are leaving every day than coming in, why would you want to build a wall. (Rhetorical question)

DickD

Tony, don't we have laws on the books for this now; " Insist on payment of taxes by all..."

DickD

phy, to answer your question; "If more are leaving every day than coming in, why would you want to build a wall. (Rhetorical question)". The farmers in Georgia, Alabama and California want and need them, so we build the wall to keep them here.[rolleyes]

phydeaux994

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gary4books

It took time to pass the senate Bill and Mr. Boehner would not allow a vote in the House. One can give discredit to both parties. But more to the House Majority leader.

veritas

[thumbup] Nice catch, Tony. We keep trying to focus the debate on the significant impacts of perpetual illegal immigration and our liberally inclined brothers and sisters attempt to shut down the debate by reflexively and erroneously calling us xenophobes and/or racists and then walking away -- as if there's no hope of converting such knuckle dragging Neanderthals to their correct and morally superior view of the world.

DickD

Veritas, you did a good job of calling the right wingers names, we could take lessons from you.[lol]

jerseygrl42

if we need workers , there are 94 Million working age Americans living off so-called entitlements ...take them away from those who are able but choose not to work and you shall have more than enough workers w/o importing them

phydeaux994

American workers haven't stepped up to take these kinds of jobs jerseygrl. My wife worked at a equine training/lesson facility for 10 years. The only workers who applied for the jobs mucking stalls and caring for the horses were alcoholics, druggies, those with a criminal background or some combination of all three. Should we send our children and Grandchildren to school to take these jobs? Do you force people to take jobs that pay minimum wage? It's easy to say jerseygrl, impossible to do.

DickD

20 million jersey. 20 million jersey. 20 million jersey. 20 million jersey. 20 million jersey. 20 million jersey. 20 million jersey. 20 million jersey.

BstD59

A well stated rebuttal with which I mostly concur with. I would add that a large portion of our immigration woes could be eliminated if all immigration laws already on the books were enforced as standard procedure and not allowed to flow and ebb with every changed administration. Keep them steady and consistent. Further I would propose revising the current law that states all born in the US to foreign mothers automatically have American citizenship. By changing that one law we would in effect remove the reason why so many slip over the border illegally. We also would not find ourselves in the unenviable position of trying to figure out what to do with these children who are American citizens but their parents are not and are here illegally.

jerseygrl42

Right you are!

marylandmirage

There should be something in place to allow citizenship after a period of several years of some kind of service to this country that they wish to be part of. The military would be one way. Vista might be another, or some kind of public service jobs which would make it easier to become citizens. Of course, then we would have others complaining about taking jobs from those who are already citizens.

jerseygrl42

yes we would as there are 94 Million working age Americans who choose NOT to work and with the exception of disabled folks who are unable to work , the rest live off the sweat of others

marylandmirage

Good Faux News talking points, jersey. The reality is that 1) Mexico ain't gonna fund the wall, which will cost millions to billions; and 2) we can't afford to deport every illegal immigrant in the country. As I mentioned in another post, in a lot of cases, automation is replacing the jobs that non-working Americans used to do - companies don't have to pay benefits to a machine, and labor laws don't apply to robotics. Most of the jobs disappearing are not disappearing outside the country, they are being replaced by automation. Retraining and new job skills would help many people who have been laid off, but it is difficult to tell a 50 year old factory worker that they now have to learn a brand new skill set. In order to make liveable wages, education is the answer. The factory worker does not want to pick grapes for less than half of the salary they used to receive. A lot of companies have also started to employ more people for less than full time so that they don't have to pay benefits.

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gary4books

You can lead a horse to water, but you can not make them drink. Or think.

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awteam2000

Jersey is immune to the true facts.

awteam2000

Unfortunately, FNP took down DickD's comments. Jerseygirl do the math!

The US population is 324 Million citizens. Of that 14.5% are over 65 years of age and 27% are under the age of 18. So your saying out of the remaining population of less than 200 million American citizens, that 94 million are unemployed and living off the State?

Wow!

Sign me up.

DickD

Me first. [wink]

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