I have four comments on the subject of the county’s climate change panel:

(1) While I found it useful and informative for the County Council to assemble a panel to “testify” and address climate change and climate warming, arising, in the panel’s view, from a rise in greenhouse gases, I was struck by the fact that the County Council did not include any formal presenters who are climate change/climate warming skeptics. By choosing only climate change “activists” as panel presenters, Councilwoman Jessica Fitzwater and Councilman Kai Hagen essentially stacked the deck in favor of their singularly professed climate change resolution. For instance, one climate change presenter showed a temperature change chart covering only the recent past. A more complete, long-term Earth temperature chart over 1,000 years showing climate cycles over long periods of time would not fit the presenters’ alarmist narrative that coastal cities will be submerged because of a 4-foot ocean rise from global warming in this century.

(2) No presenter showed any data/chart that show that U.S. greenhouse gas emissions are going down, a fact that would weaken presenters’ conclusions and the need for the Fitzwater/Hagen resolution.

(3) Fitzwater and Hagen hoped that their biased climate change resolution would be moved along by this panel of three like-minded climate change activists. Unfortunately, the council and the public were therefore subjected to a largely predetermined climate change/opinion presentation. In fairness to the council and public, which Fitzwater, Hagen and other council members profess to promote, the council should lay aside this slanted workshop panel presentation and seek a second (and maybe a third) workshop/panel featuring climate change skeptics to present the other side of the story.

(4) The council should be extremely cautious in accepting these initial presenters’ premises as a single basis for decision. As the council has done in the past when considering divisive issues like voting on Monocacy River understandings, it should take a critical look to assess the value and/or the need for the resolution. Don’t be unconsciously and unwittingly pulled along by the “sweet siren climate change songs” you heard for the previous panel — take a few more deep breaths, hear from climate change skeptics, and give this issue more time to brew in the council and the public.

Gerald Ziemba

Middletown

(47) comments

jsklinelga

I wonder if humans will be around long enough so we can laugh at the flat univeresers. Consider new findings: "Travel far enough in the universe and you could end up back where you began. Measurements from the Planck space observatory have shown that the universe might be shaped like a sphere rather than a flat sheet, which would change nearly everything we think we know about the cosmos" Bye bye Big Bang.

Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2222159-cosmological-crisis-we-dont-know-if-the-universe-is-round-or-flat/#ixzz6FCWq3oNb

It is not that people are climate change deniers but simply more cautious about very new scientific claims. One person stated that this is the warmest the earth has been in 10000 years. But global temperature records have only existed for a little over a century. All other calculations are formulated through proxies. Also a very new science.

Temperatures appear to be rising and CO2 levels increasing. What that really means and what climatic changes that will result are hypothetical. Awareness, monitoring and vigilance is good. Shouting emergency may be extreme.

Greg F

The evidence is clearly there...we are at the point where the building is burning down and the deniers are still drying to deny there even is a building and that fire exists.

threecents

The other side of the climate change story is on the flat side of the earth, which is where the climate change deniers belong.

Obadiah Plainsmen

I took a boat and went all the way to the edge of thIs side and got down leaned way over the bow and took a peek of the other side . Couldn’t tell if the climate was changing, and dunno if it’s the same atmosphere. But I did see a sun so I guess the other side has its own sun, oceans and climate . And I did notice that sea levels were considerably lower than on this side. Do you think that there is a plug somewhere in the middle that came loose and the oceans are draining from that side into this side causing the significant sea level rise?

phydeaux994

This is the junk you write when you don’t have a coherent thing to say about how incompetent and ignorant and harmful to our Nation this sorry excuse of a POTUS is. Purge all the scientists and experts out of our Government and put in “acting” shills who will lie and cover-up your CRIMES AGAINST AMERICA!! GOD help us all? WHEN DOES THIS NIGHTMARE END?

threecents

OP, Your questions are outside of my field. I suggest you ask a licensed psychotherapist.

Obadiah Plainsmen

Looks like the USA and Europe are scaling back on coal-fired power plants. However Asia, China and developing nations are going full speed ahead with new construction. Should Fredrick County petition Mont Co and Pepco to shut down the Dickerson power plant?

https://endcoal.org/tracker/

Greg F

Oby.....just because someone else is doing stupid things, does that mean it's just all honky-dory we do the same? Didn't your mama ever ask you if one person jumps off a cliff then should you also? Do you believe like the orange idiot that coal can be washed clean with soap and water?

phydeaux994

There is no other side Mr. Ziemba. Climate Change/Global Warming is a FACT. Deniers are the same people who are out looking for UFO’s and Bigfoot and Noah’s Ark. A picture is worth a thousand words of denial and we have pictures from all around the World reinforcing that FACT.

StrengthofLiberty

Curious about something. House Joint Resolution 7 : 2026 FIFA World Cup - Protection of Human Rights. Introduced 02, 03, 20. How does this fit into a climate change emergency action plan?

enufalready

Let's see, climate change is a hoax, the earth is flat, cigarettes are good for your health and staring at a solar eclipse with no protection is recommended.

threecents

EA, Be careful. Pointing out Republican stupidity can get you labeled as an elitist.

Greg F

Don't forget sun gazing...that's really good for your eyes too.

petersamuel

Of course, the climate is changing but maybe in ways less certain and more complicated than the 'climate emergency' alarmists suggest. Here is one eminent climatologist's discussion of possible scenarios: https://judithcurry.com/2020/02/13/plausible-scenarios-for-climate-change-2020-2050/

Boyce Rensberger

Just so people know, the author of the article at that link, Judith Curry, is a member of the IPCC and agrees with its findings. (The article is on her own blog.) She is known for being somewhat friendly to climate skeptics, mainly because she doesn't like what she calls the tribal attitude of many in the mainstream of atmospheric science and climatology. She prefers to have friendlier relations with the skeptical tribe.

It is fairly well established that cordial relations are more likely to change minds than are hostile relations.

MD1756

It's also well established that regulations tend to work better (especially if one is concerned with a level playing field) than voluntary actions. Since human population growth is the biggest problem, just levy a tax on each child a person or couple has instead of giving them an income tax break The money from the tax can go towards public education and the environment. As far as CO2 dropping in the US, while that may be true, we are well above the per capita average of most countries, so we have a long way to go just to get down to our CO2 emissions equaling the percentage our population represent of the world's total population.

phydeaux994

Give it up MD1756, you can’t stop human population growth, or even slow it down in the next 80 years. So we’ve got to work around it as best we can. Scientists say it will slow down on it’s own as it approaches critical mass, you and I won’t be here to see if that’s true. But Climate Change is approaching critical mass and if we don’t slow that down you won’t have anymore human population growth.

MD1756

Sounds like you've already given up. Stopping population growth should be the easiest most economical and effective way to address the issue. Have you done anything to fight climate change? Installed solar? Installed geothermal? Not had any children? How about not being allowed to have children until you've done something to combat environmental issues including climate change by reducing your environmental footprint (not just CO2 emissions). When it becomes bad enough, population may be reduced through more wars (or terrorist activities as those most harmed by climate change take it out on those most responsible).

Boyce Rensberger

Just to address a couple of facts the writer botched:

Not only have global temperatures not been this high in 1000 years, they have not been this high in more than 10,000 years.

Even though carbon dioxide emissions dropped a bit in the U.S., they are rising globally. And that is what matters. The atmosphere is a global system.

Piedmontgardener

Why stop with these recommendations. Let's open up the science curriculum to argue about teaching evolution. Geography lesson planning to discuss where the ocean and the world ends. You know, all of the facts should be on the table when we have discussions. All viewpoints, including discredited theories are relevant in public policy discussions. And should be evenly weighed. Which is the entire point of this letter.

mamlukman

Yeah! Why aren't there members of the Flat Earth Society teaching geography at Harvard? Unfair!

Moon otter

You know what happens to some flat folks, like the one with his rocket, gravity along with the curvature of the earth ands its spinning hurts and can kill. Can you say splat.

Greg F

We do not need to evenly weigh all theories, especially religious based that oil’ Jebus will come and save us or other discredited bunk from the flat-earth types. At some point we need to stop bailing out stupid people who stay willfully ignorant of even the most basic sciences and facts, and let them all sink on their raft of stupidity and let Darwin win. Just so they don’t take the rest of us down with their ignorance.

Greg F

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StrengthofLiberty

Maryland State Treasurer Nancy K. Kopp announced this week that the three major bond rating agencies have reaffirmed the State’s AAA bond rating, the longest continuous Triple-AAA bond rating for a state in the country. The announcement comes in advance of the upcoming competitive sale of State General Obligation Bonds on Wednesday, March 4, 2020.

The bond sale will include $495,000,000 of tax-exempt bonds, $50,000,000 in taxable bonds, and up to $255,000,000 in refunding bonds. The tax-exempt bonds will be sold in two bidding groups to enhance competition: Bidding Group 1 - $245,055,000 of taxexempt bonds; and Bidding Group 2 - $249,945,000 of tax-exempt bonds. Additionally, the Maryland Treasurer’s Office anticipates that the refunding bonds will generate over $20 million in net present value savings. All of these bonds are expected to be sold to institutions.

What institutions will be buying these bonds? For what capital improvements? We all know the holy trinity: Roads. Schools. Roads.

A society's prejudices are exposed by what they spent money on. To that end, have more "the climate change emergency meetings" - Show all the powerpoints, charts, moral indignation possible. The only real deniers are those who wait until its safe to invest. Which is why now more and more financial institutions are factoring in climate change impact. How can the cost of the sky falling be passed onto the - is it citizenry at this point, or those Barnum once characterised as one being born every minute? Donate generously to your local climate change action committee, and receive a little red book of quotations.

cleanrunoff

Never forget, climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese intended to separate well to do conservatives from their hard earned money. Nothing more.

marinick1

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threecents

Marinick, I hope you realize that Cleanrunoff was joking.[tongue_smile]

hayduke2

three - bet marinick doesn't...

naturegirl

This must be a joke. Those of you that want to deny what is occurring right in front of your faces and act as though science means nothing are in for an extremely rude awakening, or maybe not. Chances are you are older and will not be around while the rest of us are burning up, starving or living with plagues. You refuse to accept the facts because you are frightened of loosing the life in which you have become accustomed. Your generation helped to cause this mess, but darn it, why in the heck should you have to change in order to clean it up. How about this? How about get out of the way so the rest of us can fix this instead of being a road block that is working against your own interests. Such a sorry bunch of drivel published within this paper. Climate Change is NOT a flipping opinion. It is factual. Quit being a bunch of terrified babies that won't face the facts.

jsklinelga

naturegirl

Curious. What would be your ideas on how Frederick County could help alter climate change?

hayduke2

jsk - simple yes or no question. Do you believe the earth is warming?

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hayduke2

secpol - don't travel too far from Frederick or you will drop off the flat earth.

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hayduke2

Bunny, you do realize that changes in global temperatures are impacting the ability of bacteria and disease to flourish, sea level is rising, and impacting all types of species. But go ahead and bury your head in the sand - must be comforting to know everything.

BunnyLou

How much have the ocean’s risen? Inches? Feet? Look on the bright side, with the population explosion an unintended consequence of warming is that there will be more land to farm. That is a good thing right?

hayduke2

" with the population explosion an unintended consequence of warming is that there will be more land to farm" care to explain how that statement makes sense?

BunnyLou

Since I can’t respond to your challenge below directly I will from your original party talking points. think about it, a milder climate in northern latitudes will be available for farming. Answer my question how high have the oceans risen?

Boyce Rensberger

Global average sea level has risen 8 inches since 1880. Three of those inches have happened in the last 25 years. Currently sea level is rising at about 1/8 inch per year.

threecents

Bunny was obviously referring to fish farming. Think of all the shrimp and salmon we will have.

threecents

...that is if the higher water temperatures and acidity allow them to flourish.

hayduke2

Bunny - And other farm land will become more arid and subject to weather extremes - net result is less tillable land....

hayduke2

Bunny - here's one article on the impact of rising oceans https://www.thedailystar.net/opinion/perspective/news/rising-sea-levels-rising-threats-1732507 For a more local impact, take a trip to Fox Island ( no longer exists ) or Tangier Island in the Bay. They are good examples of what is happening locally.

Greg F

Bunny obviously doesn’t read or review anything not Fox News as we are already seeing ocean increases decimate coastal areas and begin to inundate low elevation islands like the Maldives and Seychelles. Pig ignorance is what that is.

jsklinelga

Mr. Ziemba,

" Don’t be unconsciously and unwittingly pulled along by the “sweet siren climate change songs”" What a great line. It is hard to discern what the real threat potential is when dealing with hypotheticals and the politicization of the issue.

This is a perfect example of the dichotomy of viewpoints that exist in our country and factor so heavily in our recent elections. The progressive side wants government intervention with mandated programs and initiatives such as the FRO legislation. In the extreme you have folks like Bernie that want to literally cripple industry with litigation and excessive regulation. Would either of these solve the problem?

On the flip side you have the capitalist. People who believe the free market of commerce and ideas will create solutions. The monetary reward of finding the cure, creating the DOS operating system, pioneering assembly line manufacturing etc. etc. has helped propel our country into greatness. It is the lure of great achievement or possibly huge financial gainces that has spurred our technological advances. Crippling industry and excessive regulation thwarts this driven innovation.

But to the point. Do these council members really believe there is an emergency or is this political fluff?

marinick1

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phydeaux994

What is your answer to your question?

hayduke2

jsk - simple yes or no question. Do you believe the earth is warming? Still waiting for your answer.

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