In the Jan. 9 Frederick News-Post, Walt Staruk claimed that the United Nations and Greta Thunberg are behind a global, socialistic wealth-redistribution scheme, using the climate change issue to accomplish their goals, and that whatever warming that may or may not be occurring is not caused by increased CO2 levels.

This is a classic case of starting with a conclusion (a world-wide conspiracy) and trying to gather up bits of information to fit that conclusion. In science, we call this “cherry picking” data to support a predetermined premise. Scientists have an obligation to look at all of the data, and the data collected over the last 170 years have shown that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, that increasing levels of CO2 due to fossil fuel burning have led to increases in temperature unprecedented in human history, and that the consequences of increasing temperatures are having, and will have, dire consequences for our planet’s inhabitants, including us.

These conclusions come from the IPCC, the National Academy of Sciences, government bodies such as NOAA, professional scientific organizations — even Exxon scientists — and we know that conditions will worsen if we continue to burn fossil fuels.

Scientists who study climate change are alarmed about the future if we follow business as usual. The science is clear. We need solutions, and we should examine the various proposals to reduce CO2 emissions, and by all means, we should listen to the scientists.

David Cassatt

Frederick

(53) comments

collinsm65

Anyone denying climate change today is either willfully ignorant, paid for their opinion or an infant either in age or mentality.

phydeaux994

OP.... US Glacier National Park down to its last 26 glaciers after losing 124 in a century.

Obadiah Plainsmen

and it's 2020 and 26 glaciers are still there.

collinsm65

My father was a PhD in glaciology and had watched Glacier Park for decades and its hasty demise in the last decade or so before he passed. There may be 26 glaciers still there, but they are shrinking rapidly and the prediction is that they won't be there very, very soon. We are already seeing reduced snowpacks everywhere and the ever-upward creep of the average snow line elevations (ask any ski resort owner). So, maybe they had that 124 glaciers, but given all but a handful are gone since the industrial revolution took place, that should tell you it is a direct result of MAN-made not natural change. Glacial reduction is a global thing in every country that has them.

Moon otter

All you need to do is pull up i4weather.net website. Been in existence in the Cavetown area for over 125+ years. When he did the last 30 year revision since his weather station is US weather station. His overall average temps for the period went up roughly 0.6 degrees from the previous 30 years. In some months the average temp went up by at least 1 degree overall. On Saturday he hit 67 degrees breaking the record set in 1950 of 63 degrees. If you look jus at the winters months half of the total number of days for winter have new highs. Just looking from 1990 and on to the present. Yes we are warming. Some plants love CO2 while others will succumb to it. One plant poison ivy loves CO2 and it is growing taller and faster. Not good if you are allergic to it. Like a said before all building that have flat roofs should have solar panels on them. All new housing the same. Farms can convert manure into natural gas and burn it at their farm. Purdue is doing that. There are solutions just need to implement them.

Boyce Rensberger

Cassatt is correct. And it's time this newspaper showed more judgement when considering Staruk's letters for publication.His letters and those of other deniers of global warming read like stuff the tobacco industry used to peddle about the evidence that tobacco causes cancer. That horse is dead, and so is this one.

Obadiah Plainsmen

Why do you advocate silencing those who don’t agree with you. It’s a opinion page and everyone is entitled to voice their opinion When it comes to climate change nazism is the correct method to follow

Boyce Rensberger

What I advocate is denying limited space in the newspaper to letters that simply deliver the same old opinions they've published many times before. And from the same person, at that. How many times do the editors of this newspaper think that dead horse should be beaten? Opinions denying the totality of the evidence are worthless.

Obadiah Plainsmen

Isn’t that the case with all opinions, they are worthless! You said yesterday that you can’t get respiratory diseases from greenhouse gases and two people below refuted your opinion. Whose is worthless? The issues is when you start saying a person’s opinion is worthless it’s a short step in viewing the person as a human being as worthless. This is or once was America and every person’s opinion is worth something. And here is an idea and I think it will work for you, next time don’t read his opinion. It’s not your newspaper and if he still gets published cancel your subscription.

gabrielshorn2013

Agreed Boyce. [thumbup] That horse should be quite tender by now.

Boyce Rensberger

No, Obadiah, not all opinions are worthless, just those that have no evidentiary basis. But that value judgement should never extend to the person espousing it.

Obadiah Plainsmen

Thank you.

public-redux

Obadiah: “ Isn’t that the case with all opinions, they are worthless!“

I’ve been an expert witness in courts of law quite a few times. As such, my opinions are regarded as valuable. In one instance, my expert opinion became the basis of case law that overturned the prevailing law in a state. That case law continues to be the prevailing law of that state after more than 20 years and my expert testimony has been solicited several times since then.

Worthless? Hardly. Millions of dollars have changed hands —or not — on the basis of my opinion.

Obadiah Plainsmen

Public-redux,

If you read my entire comment I refuted my own "catch phrase". Everyones opinion is worth something, In court of law it's the only thing that matters. Rensberger stated that "Opinions denying the totality of the evidence are worthless". In a court of law if the prosecution fails to present the facts without a totality of evidence the defendant if found not guilty by the jury. Are the Jurors opinion worthless?

awteam2000

Obadiah, You may not have gotten the memo expressed in the ‘Letter to the Editor’ on Jan. 11th, by the Frederick County Republican Central Committee, signees being state Sen. Michael Hough, delegates Cox, Ciliberti and Pippy, Sheriff Chuck Jenkins along with the Republican Club and other Republican organizations, calling on Democrats and the Democratic Club to reframe from divisive post as to refer to political opponents as Nazism. I would assume that would apply to “ALL post”. Right?

Boyce Rensberger

The post by the local Democratic party was wrong. It should never have gone online.

That said, it does seem realistic to compare some national Republicans to Mussolini and his Fascists.

Obadiah Plainsmen

Yes it does and I’ll take the high road and apologize, that’s a road the Frederick Democrat Party wont go on.

threecents

At some point the flat earthers need to stop monopolizing our time.

veritas

The time you waste reading and responding to these letters is on you, not the authors.

MD1756

The problem is when people use opinion to argue against facts. Fine if you want to state your opinion but make sure it is stated as such.

collinsm65

You can express your opinion all you want, but you can also suffer the consequences of expressing an idiotic one too.

gary4books

The warming that we anticipate and see is real and a problem to solve or endure. However, I fear that it is not the only problem to plan for. Unexpected cooling may not be likely, but we should be ready for it. Changes in the Solar norm, even unexpected dust or gas in space might do this to us. We need to plan for many problems and hope for the best. Right now the big concern is warming.

Obadiah Plainsmen

There is some good news. You can't get pneumonia or respiratory disease from greenhouse gases.

Brookhawk

But you get them because the warming temperatures keep the germs and insect carriers from dying off in the winter.

Obadiah Plainsmen

Boyce Rensberger

Jan 13, 2020 5:24pm

Just to be clear, the main greenhouse gases (water vapor, carbon dioxide and methane) do not cause respiratory illness. The writer conflates two very different phenomena.

Boyce Rensberger

All it usually takes to kill off the insects that could threaten one in winter is a hard freeze. We in Frederick County had that already this year.Global warming doesn't mean there will be no more killing frosts, at least not for a few decades.

It can mean that tropical diseases such as malaria move north.

As for airborne diseases, colder temperatures usually lower indoor humidity, rendering nasal passages more vulnerable.

Moon otter

Boyce,

A lot of insects hibernate and produce what we call antifreeze that prevents from dying. It takes temps in the 0 degrees and lower and must be dry cold not humid. We see this with ticks, beetles, hemlock wooley adelgid and other insects. Gypsy Moth (and other Lepidoptera) lays their eggs which overwinter in that stage and survive. being in the teens or twenties is not a hard freeze. It is getting warmer and insects will survive and move further north as it warms up.

Boyce Rensberger

Moon otter: Thanks for weighing in. I knew that and oversimplified the situation. Insects and other arachnids overwinter in different ways and in different stages of their life cycles. Many, as you note, produce antifreeze (usually a sugar called trehalose) to protect their internal structures from being damaged by ice crystals. A spell of warmer weather can reverse the process, but I think it usually takes more than a warm day or three.

hayduke2

Sorry, incorrect statement. https://www.niehs.nih.gov/research/programs/geh/climatechange/health_impacts/asthma/index.cfm

collinsm65

Oby...are you a doctor or medical professional on your opinion on diseases? If not...then go get a book on it at the least. You'd be opposed to someone saying it was sunny outside if one cloud were in the sky.

threecents

This reminds me of an interview I heard on NPR recently with two Nobel Prize winning economists. They were discussing why many economic theories have failed is because they assume that people will act in their own self-interest and the interests of their offspring. Both these assumptions are often untrue, especially the latter.

matts853

Great letter. Not only is the science unassailable, but we are ACTUALLY experiencing the predicted natural disasters. Dear deniers, it’s time to stop with your conspiracy theories and discredited science and start working with people on solutions.

Thewheelone

Matts, [thumbup][thumbup]

awteam2000

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DRCassatt

Thanks!

jsklinelga

Mr. Cassatt,

The science is not clear. If it were items like expanding I 270, a topic of recent discussion , would be considered a crime against humanity.

Humans impact the environment. The example I used when teaching an ultra conservative group of contractors the need for "green" concerned asphalt. There is enough asphalt laid in the United States to cover more than the State of Ohio. It does not take a rocket scientist to deduce that large of a heat sink could impact warming.

Science definitely should be considered. And the more conclusive and agreed upon findings should have greater importance. But the science is not crystal clear and the projections and theories still vary widely..

The greatest hindrance to a unified effort is the exaggeration and hyperbole surrounding climate change.That is why people are skeptical of a young Greta or the 10 year old child who told his congresswoman mother that something needs to be done now or we will be extinct by 2030. Or the signs taken down this year in Glacier National Park that said there would be no glaciers by the year 2020.

matts853

JSK, I’m worried about you. Your posts are getting more and more convoluted and nonsensical.

Thewheelone

Matts, JSK goes as the convoluter in chief goes!

jsklinelga

Matt

I am not sure what science you consider clear. Are the levels of CO2 rising, yes. But what are the effects? That science is not clear or as I said earlier things like the expansion of I 270 should be protested loudly. I suspect you fall into the group that 3 cents commented on.above. So truthfully that is why your opinion ranks a little lower in my perspective.. Also truthfully I lost a lot of respect for you concerning your outspoken views on the Monocacy. I grew up on a farm that was close to the Monocacy. We played along its banks. To have someone who is most likely new to the area and living in a dense housing development advocating seizing land and property rights from landowners that have been here for generations never sat well with me.

DickD

What did you do with that farm land, Jim? Did you sell it to developers?

jsklinelga

DickD

We did not own the farm when I was young. I grew up on the back part which was a separate lot. Before my divorce 20+ years ago I did own a small farm, 56 acres, in Wolfsville. Only 12 acres was field and the rest was timber. The 12 acres was certified organic. One of the first. I had a woodmizer sawmill and selectively cut the timber. Very selectively. The bottom of the tree which was clear of knots we sold as Veneer logs T hen the rest I cut up and sold to Hicksville Planing Mill as lumber. Middle Creek ran through our farm and I put 30 acres in an easement through in Forest Banking System which helped protect the creek. Also we did not dig a well but drank straight from spring.. In the house I built I utilized passive solar as I did in the previous house I owned. Mechanical systems are alright but nothing beats passive solar. Just yesterday I worked on around solar panels. The owner could not see them from the ground and did not realize one was broken and the others were extremely dirty which I am sure cut down of the efficiency.

matts853

Don’t know why I bother, JSK, but that’s not at all what I advocated for. And my Frederick County pedigree goes back to my great grandparents who farmed a 100 acres in Emmitsburg. I have a lot of extended family in Emmitsburg. You should also stop with your delusions of grandeur a dial back on your cocksure attitude, because you don’t have a grasp of the facts at all, and your posts are becoming more erratic and partisan all the time.

jsklinelga

Matt

And as a followup I would bet real money that my carbon footprint is not only lower than yours but significantly lower/ And I would be close to wagering that I have done more "real" climate and environmental work than you.

matts853

Save your money, JSK. Don’t fall victim to that old adage.

hayduke2

jsk - just like the science was not clear on the harm cigarettes caused. How long did that take before we wised up. You are grasping at straws. PS - those signs were taken down at the direction of the current administration, who have denied science and factual information at every chance.

Obadiah Plainsmen

The signs were removed because it's 2020 and the glaciers are still there. And that is a fact.

hayduke2

Correct OB - they were replaced by more nuanced signs. However, several sources that they were ordered removed by Zinke and were to be replaced by more nuanced signs lessening the message. Thank you for the correction.

Boyce Rensberger

The science *is* clear if you read what climate scientists, not opinion writers, write. There is some uncertainty in their projections of coming change, but the projections are all in the same direction.

It's also worth noting that the IPCC projections have tended to be too conservative. Climate has been warming faster than first estimated.

threecents

Boyce, Why would I believe climate scientists about climate change, when much more entertaining people on TV and radio tell me what I want to hear about it - without mansplaining it. Just because most of the so-called scientists formally studied climate science for years and earned post-graduate degrees after demonstrating their knowledge and accomplishments, why should I trust them over Rush? I bet Rush and Don Jr could trash talk anyone of them.

MD1756

Because something is not a certain level crime, then the facts can't be true? I can't find the logic or truth in that statement. By that logic one could conclude that a murderer who isn't given the death penalty didn't really commit a murder. The facts point to climate change is happening. To what degree it is happening is still trying to be understood, and the evidence there is pointing more and more to the some of more dire projections about temperature and sea level changes.

threecents

MD

Al Gore, the scientists, Soros, and Lex Luthor got to you too.[pirate]

MD1756

I don't care about any of them. I simply believe in the principle of cleaning up after oneself. I'm a chemical engineer with an MBA. I've installed geothermal and solar to roughly eliminate my carbon footprint from home energy use in a way that returns a 3.5 to 10% rate of return on my investment. No political ideology there. If politics is the best you can do to argue against climate change then I feel sorry for you.

Boyce Rensberger

There isn't much asphalt on the oceans, and yet they are warming more than the air.

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