Enough debating. Just get it. It’s protection. It protects your family and your community. It’s a matter of safety. Many experts say you are safer and more protected when you get one. Public places with a lot of them are statistically safer. Any complications from them are proven to be minimal.

Does this sound familiar? It’s kind of hard to argue with the logic used by the editors of Frederick News-Post in its Aug. 7 editorial, “The time has come to start requiring vaccines.” I use the same logic for private gun ownership. Embrace the Second Amendment. Purchase a gun. Buy some ammunition. Most importantly, get yourself trained. Public safety is paramount.

Quarantines were used in the 17th century. True. The 18th century saw plenty of quarantines in the old world as the United States began to flourish. True. However, the embrace of prevention methods favored by autocrats while omitting our own defined constitutional civil liberties is willful ignorance.

The Second Amendment is a God-given right predicated on a choice. Consider this. ”A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well-digested plan is requisite; and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories as tend to render them independent of others for essential, particularly military, supplies.”— George Washington, Jan. 8, 1790.

The FNP suggests that laws for seat belts in cars equate to citizens supporting intrusions on individual liberty in the name of public safety. No. Driving a car is a privilege. Driving is not a civil right. Demanding a person to wear a seatbelt does not have lasting physical health effects on a person whereas a vaccination may be harmful to those allergic to vaccines. Many conditions could prevent one from taking a vaccine. Civil liberties are endangered if the FNP suggests “This is one of those times. If you want to fully participate in society, you need to be vaccinated or frequently tested to prove you are not spreading disease. It is a rule as old as our country”. Where is that written in the Constitution? Who’s next?

This world isn’t perfect. It will never be without risk for anyone. I would sooner err on the side of freedom. Consider this, ”I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.” – Thomas Jefferson, Jan. 30, 1787.

James Grose

Myersville

(60) comments

jth7100

Yaga, I call BS; you have not met anyone with a heart condition that precludes vaccination. In fact, the CDC recommends cardiac disease patients to be vaccinated as soon as possible. But tell us the specific heart ailment that vaccines will exacerbate.

BabaYaga

My 15 year old Son who has a pacemaker. His personal health is none of your business. I shared with you, all the information I need to. You won’t believe it either way if you’re so biased to believe that other people couldn’t have conditions which keep them from taking the vaccine. Please learn more and trust the science!

threecents

If you have some verifiable information, then please educate us..

Awteam2021

“My 15 year old Son who has a pacemaker. His personal health is none of your business.” So why tell everyone 🤦‍♂️? It’s none of my business but since you let it known that your son has a pre-existing condition, I’ll share my opinion.

For his sake, You need to be extra cautious. He and those immediately around him should be tested for covid every week, even if vaccinated. Also avoid large unmasked crowds.

Awteam2021

From ‘Complete Cardiac Care Association’ ~~~ question: Are the vaccines safe for people with a history of heart disease, heart attack or cardiovascular risk factors?

Answer: Not only are the Pfizer-Biontech and Moderna vaccines safe for people with a history of heart disease, they are essential. People with heart disease are at increased risk of severe complications from COVID-19.

On January 15, 2021, the American Heart Association released a statement urging all eligible individuals to get vaccinated to keep themselves, their family and their community healthy and safe. ~~~ Please consult with your physician regarding your son’s care. There’s no coming back from death.

BabaYaga

Everyone get vaccinated unless you’re crossing into the US illegally.

threecents

Oh good, I was somehow under the impression that only 62% of American adults have been fully vaccinated. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

threecents

This is a nutty LTE. I will excuse the founding fathers for not mandating Covid-19 vaccines in the constitution, since they did not even know about viruses back then, much less vaccines. There are plenty of vaccines that are mandated for certain people, so there is no fundamental reason a Covid-19 vaccine should not also be mandated.

If you ever meet Mr. Grose in real life, you will understand why this letter is 🌰 🌰 🌰 🌰 ….,🥜🥜🥜🥜

BabaYaga

I’d like to meet him. Sounds like he and I should go to a range sometime. When did you meet him? I find it funny that a person with a Breonna Taylor profile picture supports ending no knock raids while supporting gun control and red flag laws. ERPOs are no knock raids on steroids. Hypocritical to say the least.

BabaYaga

You just stated that the founding Fathers didn’t know about viruses, meanwhile the argument has been made that George Washington made his soldiers get the smallpox vaccine, and those on your side of the argument do not correct you in your nutty response. Bias!

Awteam2021

Bab,

You do understand standing inline to vote without presenting a voter card doesn’t compromise your health or put others health at risk? But standing inline with covid does 🤷‍♂️. And could be fatal.

So, if you could get pass your voter card hang up, you would be okay with vaccine passports, if you had to show voter cards at polling booths? Plus an exemption card for those having a (pre-existing condition and tested for Covid within the last 72 hrs.)?

Also, two people were arrested for entering Hawaii with fraudulent vaccine cards. Read about it. https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2021/08/12/falsifying-covid-vaccination-card-arrested-hawaii/8115665002/

🎤

threecents

Jenner's smallpox vaccine was first tested in the 1790s, but nobody knew how it worked. It is news to me that GW was pushing for vaccination, but I doubt he did so before the 1790s. Still, at that time, the germ theory of disease was not generally accepted. It wasn't until the mid - late 1800s that bacteria were understood - from scientists like Louis Pasteur and Robert Koch, who are credited as the fathers of bacteriology. The concept of viruses obviously was not worked out until later.

threecents

🔬 🎤

threecents

I stand corrected by the internet. GW did indeed order troops to be vaccinated in 1777 with a pre-Jenner smallpox vaccine, consisting of material from smallpox sores. Yikes, that does not sound safe. Jenner's famous 1796 vaccine consisted of material from cowpox sores. Fortunately, the related cowpox virus was highly attenuated in people. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fact-check-did-george-washington-order-the-continental-army-to-vaccinate-against-smallpox/ar-AAMQXMs

Hayduke2

BobaYoga - The nutty response is factually correct. Although science had yet to develop the modern vaccines, General Washington did use the science of time to expose troops to a variation of a vaccine. Educate yourself - https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/washington-inoculates-army

BabaYaga

Get a vaccine passport but can’t get voter ID?

Mike Drop!

threecents

Apples and oranges. One is a public safety issue, while the other is not.

BabaYaga

The people of Afghanistan probably think that those who voted for Biden have caused them a serious public safety issue thanks to his ignorance.

Awteam2021

No BabaYaga. The exodus has been a catastrophe but it’s the Taliban causing their safety issues not Biden and the failure of the Afghanistan military not willing to fight. You think Biden should put American soldiers in harm’s way for another 20 years when the Afghans won’t fight for themselves? That’s ignorant.

I don’t understand why you compare every political issue to the pandemic, a public health crisis? The virus doesn’t care what your political faction is. Ask Governor Abbott of Texas. You are not making much sense and sound pretty disparate to justify your position.

Awteam2021

You don’t have a voter card? Pickup the mic 🎤 and hand it here. Everyone in Maryland registered to vote and on the roles gets a voter card.

BabaYaga

You don’t have to show it to vote though. That’s the point. Yet people like you want us to show a vaccine card to get groceries or function in society. Meanwhile said vaccine cards are not universal and unmanly to be proven fraudulent or real. Businesses can’t prove if it’s real or jot. It’s too late to change that. Again, running in head first without knowing what you’re doing is what has ultimately led to the failure of this current administration!

Hayduke2

BabaYoga - you argue in an echo chamber. PS what does "unmanly to be proven fraudulent " even mean???

BabaYaga

This comment section is nothing more than a liberal echo chamber. I guess that’s why they decided to make it so only paid subscribers could see the comments, so they could get conservatives to line up and pay $13 for a one time fee to look at the what the crazies are supporting this week. We’ve got people who use money from the government which is In GOD we trust on it claiming that the founders didn’t support God given rights. Then we have people talking about empathy for their fellow man and wanting to throw them in firepits. Amazing how low our nation has become thanks to liberal people.

See I knew my comments earned money for the FNP….see classified?? Baba Yaga just confirmed it! 😏😏

Yes I would prefer not to use money with the word “God” on it, but I don’t have much of a choice do I? These days I don’t use cash anyway. Also isn’t it your god that wants to throw Heathens like me in the fire pit just because I don’t believe? So about those god given rights, 😂 and you paid 13 bucks via credit card to read these comments lol 😆 lol 😝 lol

BabaYaga

I’m actually not religious.

public-redux

Being religious <> belief in god(s). Are you atheist?

BabaYaga

I paid $13 to read comments on lots of the articles and LTE’s. This one was great because I had to respond to the person who wants empathy from his fellow countrymen while telling the unvaccinated to die. So I’d say it was fire enough for me to comment on such disgusting behavior.

Awteam2021

Baba is babbling... “In God we trust” isn’t in the constitution. The founding fathers were the signers of the Declaration of Independence and didn’t create the nation’s currency.

@Awteam2021

I’m pretty sure “In God We Trust” is in that super secret constitution that only the Qanon believers believe in. That magical one that punishes everyone else but the god-believers, you know they had better decide which god is going to do the punishing or else……

Awteam2021

And “in god we trust” wasn’t placed on US currency until 88 years later.

public-redux

The Founders were pretty dern old by then.

threecents

Liberal echo chamber? Are you nuts?...Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to be ableist.

public-redux

Baba, With respect to “In God We Trust” on the currency, our very own Supreme Court has ruled that it is constitutional because it is has nothing to do with religion, Sandra Day O’Connor opined that it is nothing more than “ceremonial deism” and the “God” on the currency is not a recognized by any person or mentioned in any book.

If you think the Founders thought our constitutional rights were given by “God”, could you explain why they never mentioned “God” in the constitution?

Big gubbermint “conservatives” like you have wrecked the GOP. You sound like a Democrat.

Hayduke2

Wow, what a circular route to make unfounded claims.

I wish I knew if Greyfox’s comment was removed because they were embarrassed at how idiotic they sound so they self-reported or someone else reported them for posting lies? I’d like to think it the first reason…..but it’s probably the latter, and if that’s the case they will just be back tomorrow posting lies because obviously Greyfox has no guilt over causing people to die from a preventable death, isn’t that a tad psychopathic ? You’ll never know if there is a psychopath sitting next to you?

Dwasserba

Oh yeah 1790. January, February, so boring. George would have these unexpected “wild hair” days and spout off. Martha handled it in her own way, but her remarks were not preserved for posterity.

HappySeller2014

With freedom comes responsibility. And diligence. And empathy. And continuous respect of the fears of the alternative.

Freedom to choose and act as you please must be carefully tended to, fertilized, and watered. And respect must be shown to your fellow countrymen and women.

Anyone over age 18 in the USA who willingly refuses to get the vaccine should be left to die. Placed at the rear of any intake hospital process. And only given support once all others, including all children under age 12, have been well-tended to. And then rewuired to petsonally pay all of their hospital costs in full, without government subsidy or assistance.

In the Dark Ages during the Bubonic Plague, firepits were all the rage. Maybe time for history to repeat itself in 2021. All this constitutional freedom, implanted microchips and fears of governmental overreach talk can go up in flames as my vaccinated self simply smiles in smug satisfaction that I am a smart person.

Quicker the unvaccinated die off the quicker the rest of us have our lives get back to normal. I just praying heavily for all the children under age 12. Too many folks seem to forget protecting our children, our nation's future, should be ALL our goal.

BabaYaga

Interesting. So you're admitting that healthcare is not a right? Considering there were only 4 Covid deaths of children 0-9 years of age in Maryland and 6 deaths of children 10-19 years of age who were most likely with comorbidities, you are way out of line. You are taking this way too far, but what's to be expected for someone who can't take personal responsibility? However, I would find it funny to imagine how you could put people into fire pits like the bubonic plague while claiming we should treat our fellow countrymen with respect and empathy. You are sounding exactly like the Germans not too long ago. You guys went from Trump is a Na*i to Show me your papers rather quickly. Just replace fire pit bits with gas chambers and you're one in the same with what you said you despise, and that's not acceptable. I'm more than shocked that the FNP allows your comment to stand.

gabrielshorn2013

Not even close boogeyman. The firepits were used in medieval times to dispose of dead bodies after they succumbed to the Black Death (bubonic plague) because 1/3 of the European population died of it and there were just too many bodies with not enough grave diggers to bury them. The gas chambers caused the Nazi victims demise. Apples and oranges. Learn your history.

public-redux

This reminds me of a commenter a few years back who insisted that Nazis were socialists (“It’s even in their name!!11!”). He also described himself as very conservative. I observed that this meant he was far to the right of Hitler. He got hot-n-bothered at me for that and reported my comment as abusive. The FNP deleted my comment. I reposted it with an explanation of the political spectrum. That comment remained.

threecents

Pub, I remember that. "It's even it the name!" Classic.

public-redux

Thank you, threecents. It was pretty darn funny.

gabrielshorn2013

Could this commenter be the same person? I do recognize a particular writing style.

HappySeller2014

BabaYaga, one child's death is too much, much less four or six in this state. You convienantly do not share with us the statistics nationwide on children, or how the recent Delta variant is much more impactful on younger folks.

As for comparing my Bubonic Plaque firepits to Nazi gas chambers, you are a very confused person. I HAVE NO EMPATHY for those who willingly refuse the vaccine. I have empathy for other freedom loving people who respect others. The firepits in the medieval ages were used to dispose of the plethora of dead bodies lying around. The Nazi gas chambers were for making dead bodies. Get it straight, partner. HUGE difference.

And, my goodness, do not spout historical information unless you have it factually correct. You sound like an idiot. And you may be, but do not broadcast it.

gabrielshorn2013

👍👍👍 Piedmont!

shiftless88

"disciplined" is key. I am fine with people needing intense training and background checks to own one.

public-redux

I’m having trouble squaring Mr. Grose’s insistence that “public safety is paramount” with his views about vaccination and/or negative tests.

As an aside, nowhere in the constitution is it written that the second amendment is a God-given right. The Founders took care to omit ”God” from the constitution.

Greg F

Yeah....god needs his guns, being the all powerful deity he/she/it pretends to be. God didn't have anything to do with the constitution other than staying the hell out of it.

knahs25

George Washington required his troops to get the smallpox “vaccine”, primitive as it was at the time. If you live in a free society you owe a responsibility to your fellow citizens. Vaccinations and mask wearing are showing responsibility but gun ownership does not.

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Greg F

There you go, peddling the debunked anti-vaxxer garbage of being experimental. There are well over a BILLION vaccines given that have had zero issues. Experiments have been done, along with trails and real-world application with so few side effects that in many cases occur already in those who are not vaccinated. The risks of NOT taking the vaccine far and away are more than if you take it. You literally have more of a chance to be hit by a meteor than have a side effect that permanently maims or kills you. You also won't be endangering others from your utter stupidity and selfish stubborn pig-headed selfish acts. Grow a pair and get the shot.

BabaYaga

Ever met a person with a heart condition where they are told not to take the vaccine because the risk of heart inflammation is greater than them catching Covid and dying? I sure have. You should stop speaking for everyone else. The author appeared to make it pretty clear and reasonable that he was considering people who have health issues who cant take the vaccine, which would include young children as well. That's just not good enough for you though. Seems you want everyone to be vaxed no matter their outcome. What happened to my body my choice with you folks?

threecents

[thumbup]Saogirl

gabrielshorn2013

Please tell us what that heart condition was baba. The endocarditis associated with the J&J and AZ vaccines was a rare adverse effect due to the adenovirus used as a vector in those vaccines. The endocarditis was quickly resolved. The Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna mRNA vaccines had no such events. Try again.

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olefool

Which would you rather keep Greyfox, your ideology or your and your family's life???

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saogirl52

"My body, my choice" is an inane argument. If I opt to get an abortion, pregnant women around me aren't going to spontaneously miscarry. And if you're not convinced about the lack of research on mask/vaccine efficacy, do your own. Put your unmasked, unvaccinated loved ones in a room with 50 other unprotected individuals. Let them cough and sneeze all over each other. Then, in 10 days, let us all know the results.

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Greyfox

So you aren't going to get the vaccine nor do you wear a mask in public, because you don't want "experimental gene therapy" and "masks don't work"....and yet you want to force women to give birth against their will because you are concerned about the loss of life...and yet you won't protect your own life nor the lives of those around you? Am I understanding you correctly? You said it's all a charade well let's play charades...shall we?

You do understand the difference between an abortion and a vaccine correct? It seems like you don't? An abortion harms no one, a fetus is not a life...but you prancing around without a mask and unvaccinated harms every life you come into contact with..but you know this and yet here you are trying to argue your logic as logical..LOL (several facepalm emoji's inserted here) your logic isn't logical..it's pathetic and you are why I have my vaccine and wear a mask,

I don't have death wish like you do. It would be nice if your decisions only effected you, but your decision not to vaccinate or wear a mask affects everyone around you, even the unborn.

I can cite (see it's spelled with a c not s) 49 scientific studies that masks work and it's not a charade...but truth.

Do face masks work? Here are 49 scientific studies that explain why they do

Researchers (including a CDC doctor) for a February 2021 article published by the Journal of the American Medical Association reviewed data from 10 previous studies conclude mask wearing substantially reduces spread. They write that wearing a cloth mask can reduce transmission of exhaled droplets from infected wearers into the air by around 50% to 70%. Additionally, masks were shown to help prevent uninfected wearers from inhaling large respiratory droplets. Overall, the authors found mask wearing’s main benefit is source control, which protects others by reducing the number of respiratory droplets released, rather than respiratory protection, which protects the wearer. Peer reviewed.

https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/do-face-masks-work-here-are-49-scientific-studies-that-explain-why-they-do/

It's your turn Greyfox....what game do you want to play now?? Twister? I bet you are really good at Twister?

chris

@Greyfox: You clearly haven't read the conclusions of the Danish mask study you refer to. It shows quite the opposite of what you are telling folks.

You want to stop mass genetic experiments? Try limiting pregnancies.

Also, here are some studies and experiments to chew on, should you ever want to: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536

threecents

Thanks. Good article.

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