I was recently challenged by a commentator I heard asking the question, “What are you doing to make America a better place? Do you have things to say that might make even the smallest difference in this country?” No wonder our country is in such a mess. Our country has become so politically minded that it is no earthly good. I have some ideas that someone might consider or even think might work, but who cares? I think the “silent majority,” whoever that is, has been silent long enough.

I am extremely sorry to see how the issue of abortion has torn our country apart and the level of hatred that has brought about. My fear is that the issue will never be resolved in court. You cannot legislate morals or heart issues. I believe this issue is not going away soon an that the answer lies in education and knowledge. Even the Bible says that “people perish for lack of knowledge,” and how many humans have perished because people did not know the truth about what was going to happen to their bodies, minds, emotions in an irreversible action because they did not know the facts?

Why is it that when a person wants to get a driver’s license, they have to apply for one, be educated in the rules of the road and then be tested in order to show that they understand. If a person wants to become a legal citizen, they need to apply, be educated in exactly what that means, be tested and even take an oath before that citizenship becomes valid. Why then can anyone walk into an abortion clinic without anyone’s knowledge or permission (even a parent’s knowledge if the child is a teenager, which is an absolute disgrace) with no education as to what is about to happen and the consequences of their choice or alternative choices?

My solution is to have everyone desiring to have an abortion file an application, be completely educated in the issues involved as well as viewing an actual abortion taking place (filmed, of course), mandatory ultrasound to view the baby living in them, hear testimonies of those who have chosen that path and the physical and emotional experiences they have encountered as well as alternative options out there. Once they have completed the requirements, if both the mother and father agree to go ahead and have the abortion, let them do it in safety.

Another question is, what has happened to the father in all of this? Where are his rights and responsibilities? Why does he have no say? Why doesn’t he have a chance to raise that child or his parents be grandparents if the mother isn’t interested?

Maybe this isn’t an ideal situation, but at least it’s something. All I hear or read about are the effects of this terrible dilemma, but no one seems to have a solution. Do you have a better idea?

Judy Chappell

Libertytown

(47) comments

marylandmirage

Great idea! Education! Before undergoing surgery, have the patient view films of the surgery first! Be sure to include the pain of recuperation, while you’re at it! I don’t necessarily agree with abortion, but neither do I feel that I have the right to tell someone else UNLESS I am prepared to feed, clothe, raise or otherwise care for the unwanted child.

jerseygrl42

well stated Judy...more than 800K unborn babies are murdered in this country every year

awteam2000

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FCPS-Principal

800,000 babies murdered every year?? Where? How? Round up those mothers and hang them! I've read a story here and there about a women throwing her baby in a dumpster, or that Frederick mother's boyfriend killing her baby because it would not eat a cereal bar he gave it, or that New Market man who shot his wife and baby. Apparently the FNP is only publishing about 0.0001 percent of the baby murders. Shame on the FNP! But round up those mothers and hang them for murder!!

FCPS-Principal

The idea of "applying" to exercise a right is laughable. Maybe she should "apply" to write her letter. If she were the clerk that processed all the applications, the processing period would surely be greater than 9 months! And where did the writer get the idea that those seeking an abortion have "no knowledge" about what it involves? They obviously have more education than she does, as she ponders how many humans have perished in the process. The answer today is zero, at least in the US, but used to be higher before abortion was legal.

Dwasserba

There should be parenting courses and an evaluation of stability and competence to parent before pregnancy too, but boy, wouldn't that kill the mood. Those of us who became adoptees thank our birth mothers because we were and are perceived not as our own persons, but as a part of her. It was her decision whether to get her hair done, buy new shoes or get an abortion (illegal but possible in my day) and somehow she stuck out nine months finding other things to do with her own body than get rid of the innocent consequence of her own behavior. Makes her a heroine. Who'd ever want *that*

public-redux

And if your biological mother had chosen an abortion, you never would have known it.

public-redux

rik, You seem to be suggesting that an aborted or miscarried ZEF is conscious that it was never born. You are correct that I am ignorant of how that could be. Could you explain that? Start with a frozen embryo that didn’t survive thawing. I’m eager to see your knowledge on this point.

Obadiah Plainsmen

To answer your question "why then can anyone walk into an abortion clinic" is very simple. The Supreme Court( the Justices that sit on the court our chosen from "we the people" ) decided that women have the unalienable right to snuff out the life of their unborn child.

awteam2000

We the people have the rights to our-selves- “Of their”, not yours, or others to choose over one’s self.

“AS I WOULD NOT BE A SLAVE, SO I WOULD NOT BE A MASTER.” ~ Abraham Lincoln

No one should ever be a master of another man or woman … except one … yourself! Self choice.


Obadiah Plainsmen

Yes the Supreme Court speaks for all of "we the people". "We the people" decided that disposing is an unalienable right. The right of each individual/yourself/self choice to dispose of another human being.

awteam2000

Roe V. Wade said it’s not for others to choose for you to have or dispose of your (self) pregnancy 🤰. If you become pregnant it’s your choice whether to carry the embryo to full term, not mine, not others.

public-redux

Well, it is a tradition of Western Civilization.

Obadiah Plainsmen

I'm agreeing with you, seven people chosen from the populous decided that this unalienable right was based on an implied right to personal privacy emanating from the Ninth and Fourteenth Amendments. Therefore the United States of America (as a whole) gives each individual women if they become pregnant the sole individual unalienable right to chose by themselves without coercion to dispose of a human being while in the womb. Another case Doe vs Bolton decided the same day by the same seven people Court ruled that a woman's right to an abortion could not be limited by the state if abortion was sought for reasons of maternal health. This is a country wide victory to destroy another human being without repercussions. You should be rejoicing!

Obadiah Plainsmen

One more thing- I should give a shout out to the Burger Court for being way ahead in thinking about climate change and our environment. Since Roe it is est. that 61 million abortions have been performed in the USA. Now factor in the annual USA growth rate you are roughly estimating an additional 100-120 million more people in the USA. Can you imagine how much more greenhouse gas/ CO2 would have been generated by these potential human beings. Another reason for rejoicing?

public-redux

Obadiah, FWIW, not all definitions of “human being” include zygotes, embryos, or fetuses. That’s why there are intermittent attempts to define personhood to include ZEFs. See Colorado, for example. In other words, this is not necessarily a country that permits people to destroy another human being without repercussions.

Obadiah Plainsmen

Do we have to define what is human life by a statue?

public-redux

No, of course not. The common law definitions are working just fine.

Obadiah Plainsmen

Can "precedent" be modified by "we the people"?

public-redux

Sure. Enacting a statute that passes constitutional muster is one way. Changing public attitudes is another.

Obadiah Plainsmen

And that is the problem with Roe. The Judges did not use the Common Law method, but instead used Civil Law, were each judge was free to reinterpret the statute ( Constitution) as necessary to fit the facts of the specific case (Roe v Wade).

public-redux

We were talking about the definition of a human being. Roe didn’t change that at all.

phydeaux994

How do you know if it is “her” choice or the husband or the “married” boyfriend or the frat boy who got her drunk or a male abuser. You’d think from reading the RRR(RadicalRightRepublicans) (mostly male) comments on abortion that every unwanted pregnancy was an “Immaculate Conception”. Their comments NEVER have the words “man” or “male”. These darn women, always begging reluctant men/boys to having unprotected sex with them. Oh right, I forgot that birth control was the woman’s responsibility. RIGHT OBADIAH PLAINSMEN??? I wonder how many abortions “Pro Life” Trump paid for?? 😇🤫😉 Peace.

Obadiah Plainsmen

Phydeaux, you can stop with your blue ribbon elementary school name calling. Be a brave young/old/older man and come out say you support the disposing of potential human beings. It's ok nobody will judge you, it's not up to humans to judge other humans. And how many did Trump paid for ? if the women were smart they would have had his baby and lifetime of security. Now who is the dumb one? Now answer this question? Does Roe v. Wade and Doe v Bolton pertain to males? I Think or believe if you check you will find that the Courts decision ruled the Constitution of the United States protects a pregnant WOMAN"S liberty to CHOOSE to have an abortion without excessive government restriction.

phydeaux994

Maybe that’s because only a woman can have an abortion because only a woman can be pregnant, ya think? What does that have to do with the reason she’s having an abortion? That’s a lamo lamo rediculous unthinking statement. You’re saying men have no input into a woman having an abortion? Another RRR(RadicalRightRepublican) totally incoherent excuse for never including the male role in a unwanted pregnancy. Our daughter lost her first baby, our granddaughter, in her 7th month of pregnancy, a healthy 4 1/2 pound baby girl, when her umbilical cord detached from the womb. Her name was Abigail. She would have become a teenager this past February 5th. Our daughter didn’t choose to have that happen. Who do you blame for the death of that potential human being? Our daughter? GOD? Democrats? ““Be a brave young/old/older man and come out say you support the disposing of potential human beings. It's ok nobody will judge you, it's not up to humans to judge other humans.”” The name I have for you goes way beyond RRR(RadicalRightRepublican) OBADIAH PLAINSMAN!! Go back to the hole you crawled out of.

Obadiah Plainsmen

My condolences phydeaux, however you are not the only one with a tragic story. Growing up on DC, I've seen results of abortions I've lost family members to gun violence I'm anti abortion and pro 2nd A. The killers served only 25 & 40 years so I'm pro death penalty. I talk the talk because I walked the walk. So when I'm in my hole and look down, I see you.

public-redux

Being anti-abortion is not the same as being anti - choice. Are you that as well?

olefool

A couple of ideas raised by this letter. First, "an application to get an abortion"???? I'm surprised that you, as a woman, would be so willing to give up your rights to control your own body and it's healthcare. Maybe you should have to "file an application" to go to your church or your supermarket or read the book you mentioned. The mass majority of women are not silent on this, they oppose your religiously inspired control of their healthcare. Second: "fathers", I suspect that in most abortions there is no father around to give their opinions and if they were they would happily agree with the impregnated woman's desires. So, my idea how to make things better would be; 1. you and people like you mind your own business when it comes to other peoples lives, and 2. Vote the democratic ticket from top to bottom and return our country to it's former majestic self....

Dwasserba

Fathers might surprise you.

threecents

This would have been a good LTE if it used mostly the same arguments to support required education prior to buying guns. What a woman does with her body is her own business, but if she buys a gun - or if she has a baby - she has an obligation to take care of it. If the baby has not been born, she has no obligation to anyone but herself.

public-redux

“Do you have a better idea?”

Why, yes. Yes, I do. Trust people more than government.

rikkitikkitavvi

Which "people" pub?

awteam2000

“People”, the master of oneself - self choice.

public-redux

You. Me. That woman over there. Or do you prefer government telling you what to do? If so, which government?

rikkitikkitavvi

Huh? So, are you advocating abortion on demand because the woman or man failed to use birth control PRIOR to the act? Now she's pregnant and that pregnancy is "inconvenient" so she'll just murder a living child? Explain your thoughts.

threecents

Rikki, Do you have thoughts about the excess frozen embryos that are made via in vitro fertilization process? I am honestly not sure what they do with them.

public-redux

Do you support mandatory (government required and enforced) kidney donation? Let’s say you are the only available match for someone whose kidneys are failing. She will die without one of your kidneys. You don’t want to donate a kidney. You don’t know the person. Her kidneys are shot because of poor lifestyle choices. She hates Trump and voted for Clinton three times, two of which were fraudulent. Should government have the power to take one of your kidneys without your consent?

threecents

Rikki, Thank goodness for organizations like Planned Parenthood that teach people about family planning and birth control and educates people on tolls that abortion takes on people - both physically and mentally.

public-redux

It seems rikki chickened out and ran away.

rikkitikkitavvi

I'm here pub. I can't just entertain you kids all day. I do have a life outside of fnp.

rikkitikkitavvi

PPP is a joke. They are sadistic murderers. Simple as that. No planning involved. No parenthood involved. Just abortion on demand. It needs to be defunded at a federal level.

rikkitikkitavvi

@cents frozen embryos? Why on Earth would you need them? Science? Disgusting. I believe it is aberrant and somewhat deviant. It should be abolished.

rikkitikkitavvi

pub, How would they know I'm the only match for her kidney? I would not subject myself to such an intrusion.

rikkitikkitavvi

I'm not female. So at this point it doesn't matter what I think. But if my wife/girlfriend was preggers by me, even unplanned, and she chose abortion over keeping or putting up for adoption she would no longer be my wife/girlfriend. I thought differently thirty years ago but I have evolved into an anti-abortion guy. There are humane choices. Abortion is not one of them. pre-sex prevention is the better choice overall.

public-redux

So you’re pro-choice about your kidneys even when your choice results in the death of another. You’re just like me.

public-redux

rik, our Great Patriotic Leader should not have to sit thru government mandated nonsense before paying for abortions, if paying for abortions is what he wants to do with his money.

rikkitikkitavvi

What are you talking about @9:05am? Are you off your meds...again?

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