The “Where does it end?” letter in your April 27 issue highlights what many feel but get shouted down by those who would silence dissent or opinions that don’t agree with their own.

The movement and demands to change names of buildings or whatever else is reminiscent of and parallels actions by the Taliban in Afghanistan when they banned all other religions and destroyed all vestiges of the nation’s history regarding religious artifacts and monuments…at least of that history and religion they didn’t agree with and instituted rules and standards more to their liking.

The anti-American, pro-bigotry left in this country is little different in erasing our history — both good and bad history — in such tactics in an attempt to establish an authoritarian, socialist utopia. Intolerance is their guiding principle and ideology. They’re afraid of honest debate and the free exchange of ideas as it exposes their intellectual bankruptcy.

We need our history, warts and all. This is the USA. We celebrate our successes and our liberties and we own our mistakes so as to learn from them. The truth should win out — not a sick, bigoted and intolerant version championed by the political left.

Bruce Blum

Frederick

(57) comments

threecents

And I don't want TJ Drive street signs changed either. I don't even know how to update my GPS maps...

olefool

I can't wait to see how many public buildings, parks and highways are named in honor of Donald Trump. Will they be destroyed too?

threecents

Maybe just vandalized.

BunnyLou

Funny how the majority of names being stripped from history are democrats.

phydeaux994

At that time the Parties were just the opposite of today. The Democrats were the Conservatives (pro-slavery), the Republicans were the Liberals (anti-slavery). Abraham Lincoln was a Republican. Read “Battle Cry of Freedom: The Civil War Era” by James McPherson for a little history lesson. Funny how you didn’t know that.

public-redux

Can you give us an example of a name being stripped from history?

DickD

I checked, Gladys, I don't find yours or mine. Do you think it is religious discrimination?

threecents

Yah, Bunny, whose name has been or will be removed from any books, museums, web sites, or movies?

DickD

Not funny at all, most are in the South that was solidly Democrat during and after the Civil War. After 1960 the solid South turned Republican. Same people, different political parties. You are so welcome, Funny Bunny.

FCPS-Principal

Let's re-name all Robert E. Lee statues as Robert E. Slaveholder Butthead Lee.

awteam2000

“We need our history, warts and all”?

Many Americans confront the end of their majority status in fear. They feel their story, their traditions, their tastes, and their cultural aesthetic as being quintessentially American is under attack. This concern is exposed , in online forums and protests over the removal of Confederate monuments, renaming of buildings and roads as an all out assault on their heritage, birthright. They react anxiously and angrily to a sense that their way of life, their legends are being undermined.

Tempora mutantur is a Latin adage that refers to the changes that the passage of time brings. “Times are changing” and who we memorialize come with the change. Always has, always will.

jsklinelga

awteam2000
"Many Americans confront the end of their majority status in fear'" I've NEVER remotely considered myself a white nationalist but comments like that rouse the Patrick Henry in me. I believe you have openly exposed what is really fueling the anger in this country. For the most part middle America allows, with great tolerance, the folly of the adolescents and the loud ramblings of the disenchanted but make no mistake we will hold onto our government and our principles.Talk like yours only insures a Trump victory in 2020. And that has nothing to do with the man Trump nor any white nationalist ideology (an ugly, ugly concept) but rather with a sweeping change in the judiciary that has caused great harm. Our country, a land of human beings governing themselves, has some dark chapters in our history but bottom line there has never been any country to match it, for the good that it has done for humanity and the life it has provided for its citizens. So MAGA.

awteam2000

Henry counterposed “freedom” to “slavery” and repeatedly uses the metaphor of “slavery and chains” to describe conditions of white colonists. Yet, at that point in his life, the “freedom loving” Henry had been a major slaveholder for many years, and he left some 65 African Americans firmly enslaved at his death.

I would like to think if Pat was living today he would have progressed, having a broader, more inclusive view of life, liberty and freedom for all, and not support a white nationalist movement. But who knows? 🤷‍♂️

awteam2000

I heard ‘fear and anger’ in your comment👂.

jsklinelga

awteam2000
Anger yes. Fear no. I am not one to cower behind anonymity. Your comment is very revealing. One of the saddest takes is that you really do not care a hoot for the millions caught in the illegal "twilight zone" of our immigration system. We all knew the reason your ilk wants the country flooded. A desperate attempt to overtake the majority. The people do not matter they serve a political purpose. Truly sad but definitely in line with your moral compass..

awteam2000

Wrong, again.

Are you sure you aren’t afraid 😱? The “flood” is coming? Why do you use the potential re-election of Trump as a ‘scarecrow’ rather than a ‘good thing’? My ilk?

I think my observations are ‘right-on,. And what’s up with my moral compass 🧭? You may want to checkout yours, if you support a groper. Trump “you can put your hands up her ...”

For real 😳?

phydeaux994

jsk, awteam IS in the majority. Remember, the majority of voters didn’t vote for Trump. 60% of Americans don’t approve of his embarrassingly ignorant knowledge and understanding of our Constitution and Rule of Law. And thank goodness President Obama put the Economy on auto-pilot before he turned it over to Trump, whose private economy lost $1.1Billion from 1985-1994.

hayduke2

Jsk - by 2040 it is estimated that 8 states will have over 50 % of the population- that equates to 16 Senators. You vaunted middle America will have the other 84 representing them. Seem fair to you?

Dwasserba

Re-naming is problematic. We owe it. Can you even imagine being owned and sold before your tenth birthday? Me neither. Let's hear from those descendents. PS I can't even remember the last time I "shouted."

shiftless88

Again a LTE writer who does not understand. History will not be erased. Perhaps we should name a new school King George? Benedict Arnold? General Custer? Oddly enough I bet you all know who these folks are even without a school named after them. It is not erasing history, it is choosing wisely who we honor.

Thewheelone

[thumbup][thumbup], shiftless!

gabrielshorn2013

And why do we know their names shiftless? It is in their infamy, not for their good works. George II&III? Repression of the Colonies by taxation to fill his treasury, and brutally leading to the American Revolution. Benedict Arnold? Betraying his country at the height of the war due to a perceived slight. Custer? Pompous ass who thought he was invincible and out to kill Indians. Did they have a history of good deeds? No, so there is nothing to balance their infamy against. Why would a school be named for them?

hayduke2

Missed the point - Thomas Johnson has a place in history. Naming a school after him is not required. Personally, I don't find this offensive ( as long as good deeds and faults are included in the discussion ) and realize my own background wasn't impacted by the actions of folks like him but that was not the point of the post.

shiftless88

Hay is correct; you completely missed my point. I am not, nor is anyone, advocating removing these people from our history books nor am I suggesting we neglect what they did (good and bad). It is merely that we should consider who we choose to HONOR.

Burgessdr

Why do honor the major slaveholder George Washington? Hypocrisy

shiftless88

If you want to pull Washington's name off of cities, monuments and so forth I will not argue. I think naming things after people is sort of stupid. In fact, IIRC Washington wasn't that keen on naming things after himself. So go for it.

MD1756

We should have a school named King George since he saved the colonists from a world war they started in 1754 when George Washington (remember that name?) ambushed a French party (said to be a diplomatic party). Washington's party ended up killing Lt. Joseph Coulon de Jumonville after he had surrendered. George II and II were only trying to make colonists pay a portion of the costs of the war they started and the colonists rebelled against the taxes despite generally having more freedoms from the government then citizens in England themselves had.

Burgessdr

A monument to Custer is fine, even though he was a dik, if the monument is in context - his hometown or battlefield. Same goes with Thomas Johnson or any historical figure. That's the guideline used by NPS and historians.

TheBackburner

Changing names of places is not erasing history, it is stripping honor from those who don't deserve it. It is acceptable to have a book about World War II on your bookshelf. It is not acceptable to have a bust of Adolf Hitler on your mantle. There's a vast difference.

hayduke2

Backburner - [thumbup]

gunslinger1123

Interesting to see you consider a moral equivalency between the Founders and other important persons in American history to Adolf Hitler. That says a lot about your views.

TheBackburner

I picked an extreme example to illustrate a point. You know that. Go away.

gunslinger1123

"Go away." Nice retort...I guess I need to get the aloe vera out to soothe the burn from that one! Next time try being relevant rather than off the deep end.

veritas

“Go away” is this poster’s default response. He doesn’t engage in debate.

public-redux

veritas, It must amuse you to no end that someone doesn’t want to engage in an Algonquin Roundtable, eh?

sevenstones1000

No buildings in America named for Adolf Hitler.
Pretty sure we all remember who he was. Still part of history.

shiftless88

I hit "post" on my comment before I saw this; good point.

FCPS-Principal

No one can erase history as the writer suggests. But one can stop honoring historical figures after it is discovered they were, contrary to previous assumptions, actually quite dishonorable.

MD1756

And with that belief, a good case can be made against George Washington for many reasons. I doubt that if George Washington had gotten the British commission he sought after, he would have then rebelled against the crown a short time after the F&I war (aka in Europe as the Seven Years War) which he started.

public-redux

The fraction of the political left that is anti American and pro bigotry is, in all likelihood, no bigger than the fraction of the political right that is anti American and pro bigotry. Pretty small in both instances.

tonyc51

But both extremely vocal, and the news LOVE to fan the flames.

public-redux

Hence the publication of this letter.

hayduke2

public - exactly. Ironic that the letter writer does exactly that in his last hate-filled sentence.

public-redux

Here's a recent example of someone on the political right being bigoted and downright seditious -- I think sedition qualifies as "anti-American". He calls for "conservatives and Christians" to mount an armed rebellion (but only if prayer doesn't work).

He also gets the American Revolution hilariously wrong. He thinks the colonial loyalists were the liberals and the colonial insurgents were the conservatives. And h gets the taxes story wrong too -- he suggests the Boston Tea Party was because of taxes imposed on the British East India Company tea imports rather than the tax exemption of that company's imported tea. But I digress.

https://barbwire.com/short-of-reformation-rebellion-is-only-option-for-americas-salvation/

jsklinelga

Mr.Blum,
"The truth should win out — not a sick, bigoted and intolerant version championed by the political left." A bit extreme but I understand. We speak of studying history. Maybe this would be a good time to study how civil wars have begun and what could have been done to stop them. Or how ideological clashes led to the downfall of a country. When I used to coach one of my favorite sayings was "it is not automatic"
It is near unthinkable that we should falter as a nation, but our existence is not automatic. In our desires to be good guardians we have raised a new class of spoiled and pampered citizens. Nothing will be "good enough" and there is plenty to blame to feed the discontent.

hayduke2

jsk - can you not see the irony in your reffering to the new class of "spoiled and pampered citizens." Old folks always make this claim about younger folks and long for those mythical " good old days." Someday, you may realize that.

jsklinelga

hayduke2
I am an old folk but I guarantee we were the start of the spoiled and pampered. I know many people who ;live extremely well in retirement for 20 to 30 years. Government retirement is a golden goose but we are trillions upon trillions in debt.

But history is consistent. When cultures reach their "golden age" they invariably falter. This maybe the first generation of Americans whose children are less well off then their parents.

hayduke2

Pretty sure you may have reached the golden age but the culture has not... As far as being less well off, that is the result of corporate greed and lawmakers inability to reign in corporations and individuals due to lobbying, tax loopholes, loss of middle class champions and unions, etc.

fnpzwack

America’s namesake, Amerigo Vespucci, was a slave trader himself. If the fringe left is going to be consistent, they must demand that we change the name of our country as well. These are the same people want open borders also. Whether they admit it or even realize it, what they really want is to dissolve our country.

shiftless88

Look up the definition of "straw man argument" and you will see your error.

threecents

If Vespucci and TJ committed the same offense, then we should respond consistently. Otherwise we have spent a lot of energy and used up a lot of good will and really achieved nothing. It is all a distraction from doing real stuff.

threecents

Or we could bleach the earth until all that might offend is removed.

shiftless88

or we could pick the low-hanging fruit. Wow, what a concept!

threecents

That would be meaningless if the bigger fruit is still hanging over us. A lot of effort and backlashes, and nothing of substance is achieved. This is like one of Trump's distraction games.

shiftless88

threecents; I just have never understood that attitude of "if we cannot be perfect then let us not even start"

threecents

That is not it at all. You and I simply have an incremental disagreement. It is good that we occasionally disagree. You made it clear you would not change the name "America" even if it is just as offensive as TJ, right? Because it is too hard and the backlash would not be worth it, right? I am all for doing useful stuff, but changing TJ High's name would be virtually meaningless, given that he is not a symbol of slavery or the Confederacy, and it would be hypocritical to remove TJ and retain stuff like "America". I think it would cause much more harm and confusion than good. I had no problem with removing the Taney bust, but I think changing TJ High's name is a whole different jar of home-canned vegetables.

morel hunter

Please quote as to whom want "open borders" besides the right using it as a propaganda talking piece.

Hey have ya heard, Trump and Pence want to be able to commit infanticide. See how that works.

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