I have just read today’s paper (Oct. 1) and cannot believe what I read. How can the county give $1,000 to employees so they will get vaccinated (County to reward vaccinated employees with $1K) and at the same time allow Alive @ Five (Alive @ Five ends on a ‘high note,’ concludes for summer) be performed to a crowd of unmasked people?

Granted it’s outside but look at the pictures in your paper. Any social distancing?

Even more serious is the increase in COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths as reported in the same edition of the paper.

This is a bad decision, Ms. Gardner.

Joan Rose

Frederick

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gjthuro

what happened to common sense; stupidity and greed took over...now we have to bribe folks who don' t wish to partake

phydeaux994

Leesburg PD Officers threatened to quit if they put in mandated vaccination. But other Officers got together and wrote a letter supporting the mandate, saying they were there to protect the Public not threaten them. 👍

Greg F

I still think at this point, if you don't have the vaccine other than for a legitimate (not BS religion exemption) then insurance companies should either jack your rates through the roof or cancel you. They'd cancel a bad driver or raise the rates.

phydeaux994

I agree. They do it to smokers, overweight, etc.

mrnatural1

Excellent point Greg. [thumbup][thumbup]

mrnatural1

Great speech by the president, thanks for posting the excerpts AOC.

Quote:

"So, today, I’m calling on all states and local governments to use funding they have received, including from the American Rescue Plan, to give $100 to anyone who gets fully vaccinated.

I know that paying people to get vaccinated might sound unfair to folks who’ve gotten vaccinated already, but here’s the deal: If incentives help us beat this virus, I believe we should use them. We all benefit if we can get more people vaccinated."

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So the actions of the FredCo government are in direct conflict with the recommendation of the President of the United States. The payment is TEN (10) TIMES hat Biden suggested.

There should be NO incentives, only the stick. "All employees must be vaccinated by X date". At that point, if we're feeling generous, we could give them unpaid time off to think about it -- say 2 weeks. After that, they're fired. No more coddling. Their right to be obstinate ends where our right not to be infected (and perhaps DIE) begins.

How is paying someone $100 -- let alone $1,000! -- to get vaccinated different from paying kids to go to school; or paying someone to pick up their own trash; or take their car for an emissions check; or not parking in a handicapped spot, etc?

Talk about playing into the liberal stereotype!

I predict that this action is enough to push a lot of moderate dems and swing voters over to the rep local candidates in the next election.

runjdon

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NewMarketParent

@mrnatural1

I agree. We are way past offering carrots at this point.

That said, if it gets people vaccinated, that protects us all.

There is a good chance that none of that very little of that money gets collected. If so, the stick can be bigger and outfitted with spikes.

mrnatural1

Hi NMP,

Sadly, it seems the FredCo government is NOT past offering carrots.

Let's think about this another way. It's always fun to spend OPM (other people's money). If we are told "the government" is paying for something, many people are unconcerned. After all, "gov't money" is like Monopoly money, right? At least it isn't coming out of our pockets!

Except it *IS* coming out of our pockets! Either that, or the federal government assumes more crippling debt -- debt that we are saddling future generations with.

If these bribes were coming directly from FredCo residents, how much would those who are in favor of them be willing to pay? Could we raise the $2,500,000 if they were willing to put their money where their mouth is?

There are about 198,000 FredCo residents who are adults (18+). That works out to $12-$13 each -- IF everyone chipped in. Of course, quite a few of them would refuse to pay one dime to entice others to get vaccinated, let alone *reward* those who are already vaccinated(!), -- something the majority of county residents have already done, simply because it is the rational, intelligent, responsible thing to do.

That would leave a small fraction of people in favor and willing to crack open their wallet.

If those who support recklessly handing out $1,000 each to most county employees -- for doing what everyone else has done simply because it is the right thing to do -- had to pay out of their own personal funds, they would likely end up having to pay several hundred dollars each.

Again the question for those who support this scheme is, "How much would they personally be willing to pay? Perhaps they would decide that $1,000 each is a bit extreme. Maybe $100 -- or a big fat stick -- would start looking better.

If paying $1,000 rewards and bribes is a good plan, then surely we should be willing to make sure every person in every country in the world is vaccinated -- or at least has access to the vaccine. After all, that would protect us too.

marylandmirage1

Aww Joan and everybody else who objects, I guess this means you all gave your stimulus money back to the government. How generous of you!

So the $1,000 dollars is a stimulus for County employees?? I guess when you look at it that way......? Jan is generous...? But really if the payments to the County employees are a stimulus then wouldn't that 25 million dollars be better used stimulating the whole instead of the few? I mean if Jan wanted to be seen as generous then why not spend 25 million on the whole? I would want the whole to think I am generous as opposed to the few, wouldn't you? Because few are not enough votes that are going matter....

artandarchitecture

It's simply not enough of an incentive. Let’s borrow an idea from Baton Rouge, Louisi https://www.brproud.com/news/local-news/expungement-event-to-be-held-at-mlk-community-center-on-oct-9/ ana & agree to expunge all violent criminal records for those getting the jab!

Art

Okay you are making progress....I'm proud of you? I don't think this post will be removed because it's actually factual, however please do not try and misrepresent the data, and perhaps read the fine print on who and who will not be eligible for expungement okay? I think if someone has gone ten years after completing their sentence, probably means they won't reoffend, should be able to have their convictions expunged in exchange for a jab don't you? I actually think this is way better than giving County employees a $1,000 dollars each just because...

I just wish I felt as safe as you do Art, you know going around without a vaccine in this day and age takes guts.,,,,,I also got my flu shot yesterday..I have no guts I guess? Guts over fear....I am really afraid of getting Covid, the bravery you display on a daily basis is commendable Art.

mrnatural1

It's not as outrageous as it sounds,

Expungement is only possible for:

* Misdemeanors -- 5 years after completion of sentence

* Felonies -- 10 years after completion of sentence

IDK what the normal policy is in LA, but it doesn't sound like they are doing folks any big favors there.

Closer to home, paying someone -- especially someone who is already vaccinated -- $1,000 from taxpayers is OUTRAGEOUS!

If "Thank you for your service" is good enough for military members and first responders, it's good enough for those of us who have been vaccinated!!

As for the anti-vaxxers, it's time for the stick, not the carrot. No COVID vaccine by X date? You're fired! Period.

gabrielshorn2013

👍👍👍 mrnatural!

Dwasserba

“Even more serious is the increase in COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths as reported in the same edition of the paper.” Some care. Some don’t. Throw money at them and see if it sticks.

AOC

Great Letter!

Unfortunately, today Mayor O’Conner revealed he plans to give all city employees $1,000 to get vaccinated.

The $1,000 prize started with AA County Executive Steuart Pittman, then CE Gardner and now O’Conner. Every other responsible executive is following President Biden’s direction to give only $100.

The President spoke to these very issues on 29 July 2021 clearly identifying his plan.

President Biden’s Plan: $100 to Un-vaccinated Only

Gardner Plan: $1000.00 to everyone

Federal Employees: Anyone who does not attest or is not vaccinated will be required to mask no matter where they work; test one or two times a week to see if they have acquired COVID; socially distance; and generally will not be allowed to travel for work.

County Employees: Receive $1000 to show proof of vaccination. No restrictions for not providing proof.

President Biden seems to be the only adult in the room. Pitman, Gardner and O’Conner: Out to Lunch

Please consider listening to the speech and decide for yourself.

Such careless disregard with taxpayers’ dollars is exactly why a growing number of Americans have lost confidence in government. If there is any justice maybe all three can serve time together at USP LEWISBURG.

Report Fraud or Misconduct Related to Government Contracts or Grants

https://home.treasury.gov/services/report-fraud-waste-and-abuse/report-fraud-or-misconduct-related-to-government-contracts-or-grants

Below are the transcribed quotes of the President’s speech provided by the White House.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/07/29/remarks-by-president-biden-laying-out-the-next-steps-in-our-effort-to-get-more-americans-vaccinated-and-combat-the-spread-of-the-delta-variant/

You may find the time references below to locate key points.

Link to President’s speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNmLuCPyCbw

06:40

There are about 90 million Americans who are eligible to get the shot but haven’t gotten it yet. As I just mentioned, nearly all of the cases, hospitalizations, and deaths due to COVID-19 today are from unvaccinated people.

09:08

In the last six months, more than 325 million doses of the vaccine have been administered in the United States and billions of doses administered around the world. The vaccine was developed and authorized under a Republican administration, and has been distributed and administered under a Democratic administration.

The vaccines are safe, highly effective. There’s nothing political about them. Look at all the people who took a shot at it. They later — we learned a lot of them have already been vaccinated.

From the start, I have to compliment Republican Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. He hadn’t made it political. He’s encouraged people to get vaccinated and is continuing to do so, and his state is in pretty good shape.

10:50

Unvaccinated people spread the virus. They get sick and fill up our hospitals. And that means if someone else has a heart attack or breaks a hip, there may not be a hospital bed for them.

If you’re unvaccinated, you put your doctor and nurses at risk — the same frontline, essential workers who put their lives on the line over the past year and have gone through hell.

Again, with freedom comes responsibility. So, please, exercise responsible judgement. Get vaccinated — for yourself, for the people you love, for your country.

I’m being literal when I say this: As I travel the world, almost every day a foreign leader calls me, asking can I provide his or her country more vaccines. Their people are desperate for vaccines.

12:30

First, we’re going to provide more incentives to encourage unvaccinated Americans to get vaccinated. That starts with paid leave to get the shot. We’re still hearing that people are unable to get time off from their employer to get vaccinated. Well, this is unacceptable.

For some time now, I’ve said you should be able to get the shot and still get paid. Thanks to the American Rescue Plan, the federal government is fully reimbursing any small- or medium-sized business that provides workers with paid time off to get vaccinated.

Employers, this costs you nothing. If you haven’t given employees paid time off, do it now, please.

13:17

Today, I’m announcing that we’re taking this a step further. The federal government will now reimburse those employers to give their staffs — who give their staffs time off not only to get themselves vaccinated, but also to get their family members vaccinated.

That means employers can get reimbursed if they give parents time off — with paid time, paid leave — to take their kids or their own parents to get vaccinated. So, I’m calling on all employees [employers] across the country to give paid time off to get the shot or to help a family member do so. I promise you: It will cost you, the employer, nothing. You’ll be reimbursed.

Secondly, I’m announcing that we’ll continue the work — to work with states to encourage unvaccinated people to get vaccinated. In February, the grocery store chain Kroger’s offered $100 to their associates if they’d get vaccinated. And it worked. Vaccination rates moved up from 50 cent [sic] — 50 percent to 75 percent among their employees.

So, today, I’m calling on all states and local governments to use funding they have received, including from the American Rescue Plan, to give $100 to anyone who gets fully vaccinated.

I know that paying people to get vaccinated might sound unfair to folks who’ve gotten vaccinated already, but here’s the deal: If incentives help us beat this virus, I believe we should use them. We all benefit if we can get more people vaccinated.

16:31

Next, every federal government employee will be asked to attest to their vaccination status. Anyone who does not attest or is not vaccinated will be required to mask no matter where they work; test one or two times a week to see if they have a — they have acquired COVID; socially distance; and generally will not be allowed to travel for work.

Likewise, today, I’m directing my administration to take steps to apply similar standards to all federal contractors. If you want to do business with the federal government, get your workers vaccinated.

Look at the Chamber of Commerce representing tens of thousands of American businesses. The National Association of Manufacturers. The Business Roundtable, which is comprised of the largest and biggest corporations in America. They’re all applauding the actions the federal government is taking, and I urge them to follow suit.

Awteam2021

What?

gary4books

Just a matter of dollars and sense. How much does it cost if we give incentives? How much if we do not?

threecents

[thumbup]Gary, Vaccinations have gone up recently in Frederick County, so it may be worth it.

DickD

Any County employee not being vaccinated should be fired, not given $1,000! If they have so little regards for their self and others, let them find OTHER employment.

mrnatural1

[thumbup][thumbup] Dick.

olefool

I'd favor banishing the unvaccinated from public places and confine them to their homes until tested negative. That seems like more of an incentive to get the shots than giving other peoples money to them... Who thought this up anyway?????

C.D.Reid

Of course you would favor those actions, fool, since they're what one would expect in a socialist / communist country. But this is the United States and people still have freedoms here. But, right now the exchange rates are 1 USD = 4.24041 VES and 1 USD = 71.8243 RUB, in case you'd like to go ahead and leave for a better life than what you have here. Goodbye.

olefool

CD: Once again you spit out your menu of gobbledegook hoping someone will agree with you. But, all you have done is show again your delusional self trying to appear relevant, You''re not..(That's a complete statement, no need to respond) Sorry old chap (or chump, whatever) your freedoms to endanger peoples lives ends where their freedom to enjoy a healthy life begin....

eastmoonrabbit

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Awteam2021

I thought the naming of the country was based on being ‘united’ not everyone doing their own thing.

Don’t confuse ‘liberty’ with ‘freedom’. Liberty entails the responsible use of freedom under the rule of law without depriving anyone else of their freedom. Freedom is more broad in that it represents a total lack of restraint or the unrestrained, to do whatever you want regardless of others. Self, liberties weren’t extended to all until many years later and equal liberties, not for another century. The liberties of women over their selves (free responsibilities over one person) are under assault today, a half, a century later. Right? What’s that exchange rate.🤷‍♂️

threecents

There are vaccines that are required for kids, so are those the socialist/communist vaccines?

CD....pssssssttttttt

everyone at Fox News is vaccinated....even (as Joy Reid likes to call him)..Tuckins? (sp)...anywho, also a socialist is the opposite of a communist, ..so you would call yourself a capitalist then? This is a capitalist country as Nancy Pelosi likes to say.

When I hear Nancy Pelosi say we are a Country of socialist communists then I'll worry until then well...whatever fully vaccinated Tuckin's says is only because he thinks he is scaring you and by darn it's working. Do you sometimes jump when you see your own shadow....cause sometimes I do...LOL Plenty of scary stuff out there right now like the exchange rate, socialism, communism, capitalism....all the ism's... they make me jump at my own shadow..too

Yeah no, I have a pretty good life here just like you do CD, I just wish people understood the meaning of the words they use, but I like how you don't care what anyone thinks of you....I don't care either what anyone thinks of me either. With age does come that attitude...

Hey CD do you believe 800 year old people voted in the last election? Me I want to know their secret for living so long, imagine our attitudes if we were 800 years old? We could rule the earth.....

FrederickFan

An incentive is the right approach if we are ever to end this pandemic. County officials also have nothing to do with Alive at Five.

threecents

[thumbup]OF and FF[thumbup]

Awteam2021

Not sure what Live@5 has to do county employee incentives? Live@5 is a city event, not county. And I would bet most of the attendees had been vaccinated.

Plumbum

The virus is serious enough to give out 1000$. But schools are spreading and open. Spreading the virus.

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