The Black Lives Matter movement has been in the news for many months. The movement is not asking to be treated better than others, it is asking to be treated equally. The complaint is that there is systemic racism in our criminal justice system.

The criminal justice system does have problems that we see and read about. One problem, that is often underreported, is the innocent individual being found guilty of a crime and often incarcerated for years.

On Aug. 27, Ronnie Long was released from a state prison in North Carolina. Mr. Long was incarcerated for 44 years, after being convicted of rape and burglary in 1976. His conviction was vacated, after Judge Stephanie Thacker wrote that “a trickle of post-trial disclosures has unearthed a troubling and striking pattern of deliberate police suppression of material evidence.”

The judge was referring to evidence that was collected at the crime scene which included, 40 fingerprints, a rape kit and hair. NONE of this matched Mr. Long.

Mr. Long had been incarcerated for 30 years, before his attorneys knew of its existence.

After the evidence was known, it took another 14 years before he was released. Police and prosecutors are required by law to notify defendants if exculpatory evidence exists. Will there be any consequences for the authorities that withheld the evidence? How many people knew of the evidence? Who was the real offender, and will the authorities re-investigate?

Releasing an innocent man from incarceration is the right thing to do. However, if we do not examine how the injustice occurs, the injustices will continue. More than 850 people have been released, including 281 because of DNA evidence, since the 1980s. What is unknown, is how many others exist.

Reform within the criminal justice system is needed. However, many changes that are needed will only occur when groups and individuals can be held responsible for both their actions and their inactions.

Shannon Bohrer

Emmitsburg

(48) comments

phydeaux994

https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/11/23/ten-ways-to-tell-if-your-president-is-a-dictator/#

Reading this will scare you, this author spells out Trump’s Plan in 2016.

bosco

If the system is to blame, why hasn't Biden fixed it during his 50 years in Congress and why didn't Obama/Biden fix it when they were in the White House?

Bidenz crime bill served to get the "gangbangers" off the streets with long prison sentences for an inordinate number of young Blacks. Harris was an agressive prosecutor well known for locking up Blacks at a high rate.

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phydeaux994

Yes bosco, Systemic Racism means the System is Racist. In America, the System is run by White people who discriminate against Black people and other people of color, also known as “Racists”. To fix the System the White Racists running it must stop being Racists and give Black people and other people of color the same Rights and Opportunities that they are born into. Simple as that, right bosco?

PurplePickles

@bosco/Eric Trump

Sweetie did you forget again that your daddy is the President and has had almost 4 years to fix it. Maybe instead of posting this in the FNP comment section go talk to daddy about your concerns with systemic racism. Because you know he isn’t going to actually read what you wrote. Also Obama/Biden sometimes couldn’t fix the stupid, does that make sense Eric? It’s so nice to see you try to understand what you are posting about!

threecents

Bosco, Looks like you have not taken American History 101 or 102. Even if Biden becomes president, I don't think he agenda is liberal enough to make much of a dent in systemic racism. Certainly Obama's wasn't, but then again, the country wasn't ready for a lot of change back then. Just look at how the NFL's attitude toward kneeling during the anthem has changed in such a short time frame.

NewMarketParent

@petersamuel

You really need to re-evaluate your news sources. This 'magazine' is just a word-press site that popped up post-2018. I bet if we were to dig into it, you would find that the content is either being funded by the alt-right or Russian IRA.

I would not trust that content any further than I can throw it. The second I opened it up... it was trying immediately trying to track me.

petersamuel

This is instructive on BLM: https://www.commentarymagazine.com/christine-rosen/deon-kay-and-black-lives-matters-credibility-problem/

PurplePickles

@Peter

This is instructive also

https://www.inquirer.com/columnists/black-lives-matter-systemic-racism-george-floyd-ibram-x-kendi-antiracist-20200617.html

awteam2000

It astonishes me when I here “White People” say what “BLM” means to people of color, as thought they have some unique ability to know their perils. It’s like a male telling how it is to birth a child 🤷‍♂️. “ No big deal”.

bosco

It astonishes me when I hear posters here tell me what I think and feel as if they have some unique ability to know my perils. I can tell you that I have experienced more racism from Blacks than I have Whites. Sure, there are still cretins in any race, but I find that Blacks are more concerned about what shade of brown I am and if I'm acting too White. If I paid much attention to those cretins, I'd probably be one of the gangbangers Biden was worried about.

I'd rather have a hand up than a handout.

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awteam2000

Bosco , sounds like you have a platform for your own personal “uproar” to get behind. You should express “your perils”, your systemic racial suffering.

You say, “ I have experienced more racism from Blacks than I have Whites.” After you figure out what you are talking about, you may want to explain to others, what the hell you are taking about.

Do you mean when got your butt kicked by a black kid after calling him a derogatory name in school, or he just took your lunch money. Or when you went on yourself, after being frighten by a group of black kids approaching you in Frederick ? The “ stare in the eyes ” didn’t prevent you from peeing on yourself. Did it? “I feel your pain”. Some things in life you just can’t get over.

phydeaux994

When were you around a lot of Black people bosco? CD the other day said you were Black?? You know, by definition you can’t be a Racist against your own race because you can’t be Superior to your own race. If you grew up in a Black neighborhood but you are some shade of a Brown as you claim, it is likely that there weren’t many White

kids to discriminate against you. If you are not White why do you support White Supremacy?? How can CD be your friend, he doesn’t much care for Brown people either. And now I know why you could ride your Harley through the barrio in South LA without fear. Why are you pretending to be White here if you’re not? Is this a HOAX!!!

bosco

Fido, your view of what constitutes racism is fed by your own White guilt heaped on you by the left. There is lots of racism in the Black community because we are not monolithic thinkers like Biden thinks we are. Blacks who are a lighter shade of brown suffer a lot of taunts and discrimination from darker Blacks. Don't rise above your raisin'. Dont be acting White. Why you gettin' good grades, what do you think you are?

Ask some of your Black friends, if you have any, and see if they will admit it.

In the meantime, I don't care what shade of brown somebody is as long as they act like a fellow human being. It's the Democrats who want to keep us on the plantation.

Peace

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NewMarketParent

Is this from the person who has several times referred to themselves as a person of color and picked the name of a chocolate syrup, but is going to talk about having experienced racism.

I thought you were a POC, bosco? How was a POC racist against you?

You don't know or understand racism. People who may have discriminated against you:

1. Can't deny you a loan

2. Stop you from owning a house in a neighborhood you can afford

3. Keep you from advancing at your job

4. Use police as a tool to harass and/or murder you

You only ever argue in bad faith.

NewMarketParent

@phydeaux994

I seriously doubt bosco's claims about the color of his skin. He is a walking bad faith argument.

bosco

Some people just can't wrap their own little prejudiced minds that a Black man can be a successful conservative and they reinforce their own prejudices here daily. It's so transparent as to be laughable.

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bosco

Phydeaux, here is some light reading for you that may enlighten you toward some of what I've been referring to regarding Black on Black racism. Don't forget the Dems are the party of identity politics.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/artiamp.theatlantic.com/amp/cle/384028/

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NewMarketParent

Because you only ever argue in bad faith and I you seem to have no problems lying to "own da libs". You are a person of color as much as a loaf of wonder bread. Just one big lie wrapped up acts of bad faith.

NewMarketParent

Some people only know subserviency and they believe that if they just kiss enough tail, it will get them a seat at the table. They never will have a seat at that table. It doesn't stop them from thinking that some day they will own the pair of boots on their own necks.

Everyone is the hero of their own story. Some people acknowledge the supporting characters. Others act as if there are only protagonist and antagonist. I have had a ton of supporting characters in my story.

NewMarketParent

@awteam2000

This is one of the reasons that POC won't engage with many white people on color. It is that many refuse to see the struggles of POC or their own privilege. Nicole Hannah Jones actually sums up privilege pretty succinctly in describing it like swimming. White Privilege is swimming with the current. POC are swimming against the current. People who are swimming with the current won't acknowledge that there is a current.

NewMarketParent

@petersamuel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commentary_(magazine)

petersamuel

Some of the best thinking on this issue is by Thomas Sowell in his beautifully written book The Quest for Social Justice of a couple of years ago. Demand so high print versions are a ridiculous price but Kindle version reasonable.

awteam2000

Sowell’s syndicated column is frequently published in the Frederick News Post. You don’t need to buy his book to see where he’s coming from. Don’t waste your money.

PurplePickles

@awteam2000

Only back in the day people like Peter would enjoy Peter's book recommendations.

petersamuel

Like many great black guys where he's coming from is a great personal and political story... He went from a very rough, tough upbringing to the heights of the economics profession and is a great man. Excellent writer and speaker.

micky

Seems to me that if we have systemic racism then the "System" should be able to fix it

awteam2000

First, what is a system?

Both systematic and systemic are adjectives based on the word system.

Systematic is an adjective that primarily means “having, showing, or involving a “system”, method, or plan.”  A methodology to doing something. Where as

systemic is a “repeated problem”, like racism, that are characterized as systemic, more difficult to grasp, embedded flaws, so harder to change.

petersamuel

If you read BLM, Antifa etc by 'system' they mean our political system of constitutional government, our economic system called capitalism, our legal system protecting property rights, due process, personal freedom, checks and balances -- the whole caboodle. They are saying reform through this system won't work or is inadequate. So when they claim racism is systemic they are saying liberal efforts to effect change within the existing system are doomed to failure, and it must all be torn down. 1776, 1788, 1791,1863, 1964 etc all go on the trash heap.

PurplePickles

@peter

To actually capture all the ways in which the system is skewed against black people would require tome upon tome. But even a short list feels very long: black women are three to four times as likely as white women to die in childbirth, in part because of a lack of access to quality health care; black children are more likely to attend underresourced schools, thanks to a reliance on local property taxes for funding; black voters are four times as likely as white voters to report difficulties voting or engaging in politics than their white counterparts, in part because of laws that even today are designed to keep them for exercising their basic democratic rights; millions more have been disenfranchised because of felony convictions; hurricane flooding has been shown to hit black neighborhoods disproportionately.

https://time.com/5851855/systemic-racism-america/

awteam2000

Or couldn’t it be as simple as changing systematic practices and systemic social views of each other? If people of color have to teach their child how to interact with police in fear of how police may react based on their complexion, that’s systemic. Dangerous to them, and dangerous to the police officer. You don’t believe “people of color” are less, or inherently up to no good, less worthy? Do you?

awteam2000

Peter, I don’t think there’s a call to tear down the system but to enforce the system,

You know like “Justice for All, what the flag should stand for, it’s in the pledge.

The US Justice Department was formed after the Enforcement Acts. Three bills passed by the United States Congress between 1870 and 1871. It was new criminal codes that protected African-Americans’ right to vote, to hold office, to serve on juries, and receive equal protection of laws. The new agency was established and came into effect under Grant‘s administration. The laws also allowed the federal government to intervene when states did not act to protect these rights. The acts were passed following the ratification of the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution, which gave full citizenship to anyone born in the United States or freed slaves, and the 15th Amendment which banned racial discrimination in voting and violence against the newly freed slaves.

At the time, the lives of all newly freed slaves, as well as their political and economic rights, were being threatened. This threat led to the creation of the Enforcement Acts, creating the Justice department. Is it being nullified under Trump’s administration?

threecents

Peter gives us another excellent example of rigid thinking.

petersamuel

If an evil is 'systemic' then it is inherent in the system. It is part of the system. And the logic is: the system itself is evil and has to be destroyed to be rid of the evil.

petersamuel

Awteam: you say you "don't think there's a call to tear down the system." The leadership of the protests themselves SAY this is their aim. Black Lives Matter say on their official website "This is the revolution." So do Antifa. They have a support website ItsGoingDown.org which says its mission is "to publicize and promote revolutionary theory and action." These are the people organizing the riots, smashing and burning businesses and cars, harassing diners in restaurants, demanding random people give the Antifa clenched fist, closing highways, besieging police and court buildings and fighting the police in various cities around the country. No doubt many who participate in the protest marches -- as distinct from the rioting -- are genuinely concerned about injustice and bad police behavior. But they are being used as cover by the revolutionaries.

NewMarketParent

@petersamuel

Who's logic?

It depends if you think the people who are part of the system are redeemable. I personally think it is, but it requires acknowledgement about the flaws in the system and actively working towards making it more perfect.

You know, kind of like you do with a country.

petersamuel

Sure, NMP, the system has flaws, and certainly we need to work to improve it. We're agreed on that. At the same time the American system has great strengths, great virtue compared to most others in human history. Therefore I submit we need to carefully and critically consider proposals for radical change, lest we end up much worse off. An example is Defund the Police.

phydeaux994

Yes micky, Systemic Racism means the System is Racist. In America, the System is run by White people who discriminate against Black people and other people of color, also known as “Racists”. To fix the System the White Racists running it must stop being Racists and give Black people and other people of color the same Rights and Opportunities that they are born into. Simple as that, right micky?

DickD

Good thoughts for legal discrimination. However, it's more than just legal. It's hiring promoting, fair housing, red lining and all things that create inequality.

petersamuel

Exactly Dick. The thinking is that the injustice is everywhere and so everything by way of system needs to go. It's an argument for revolution rather than liberal reform.

PurplePickles

@dick

Peter is planning on voting for Trump again because he thinks he's doing a bang up job, this is after Peter found out that Trump knew how deadly Covid-19 is and did nothing, is Peter really someone you should be listening to? Be careful who you give credence to.

threecents

I think Peter is what psychologists call a rigid thinker. My impression is that he does not have sufficient imagination to move ideas out of the boxes he puts them in.

petersamuel

3c: I'm "a rigid thinker" eh? Is there treatment for this condition? I promise to try shaking the head at regular intervals to dissipate any rigidity that has accumulated in the brain.

threecents

Peter, Yes, therapists can help train people to think less rigidly.

DickD

Peter was responding to my comment and he twisted it.

PurplePickles

@dick

My apologies Dick I know you knew better. i thank you for letting me use your comment as note to others that they should be careful who they follow. Those who follow bright shiny orange things are not to be trusted.

petersamuel

Pickles, I am not voting. And I am NOT a Trump supporter.

NewMarketParent

@petersamuel

Riiiiiiiigggggggghhhhhhhhttttttt...

NewMarketParent

@petersamuel

Unless you are a felon, seems like you have picked a side 'status-quo'.

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