SALT LAKE CITY — Vice President Mike Pence defended the Trump administration’s handling of the COVID-19 pandemic that has killed more than 210,000 Americans Wednesday night, while his Democratic challenger, Kamala Harris, condemned “the greatest failure of any presidential administration” during a largely civil debate dominated by the coronavirus.

With Trump recovering from the virus in Washington, Harris declared she would not take a vaccine if the Republican president endorsed it without the backing of medical professionals.

Pence, who leads the president’s coronavirus task force, acknowledged that “our nation’s gone through a very challenging time this year.”

But he added, “I want the American people to know, from the very first day, President Trump has put the health of America first,” Pence said, promising millions of doses of a yet-to-be-announced treatment before the end of the year.

He also condemned Harris’ skepticism of Trump’s bragging about vaccines-to-be: “Senator, I ask you: Stop playing politics with peoples’ lives.”

There were heated exchanges early on, but overall it was a far more respectful affair than the opening presidential debate eight days earlier when Trump was the aggressor, butting in and almost yelling. Pence interrupted at times, too, but nothing like Trump had.

The candidates debated in an auditorium where any guest who refused to wear a face mask was to be asked to leave, an extraordinary backdrop for the only vice presidential debate of 2020.

The prime-time meeting in Salt Lake City elevated two candidates with presidential aspirations of their own who may be asked to step into the presidency even before the end of the next term. Health questions loom over President Donald Trump, 74, who is recovering from the coronavirus, and 77-year-old Joe Biden, who would be the oldest U.S. president ever.

But perhaps more importantly, less than four weeks before Election Day, Republicans hoped the debate might give the Trump-Pence ticket a final opportunity to help reset a contest that could be slipping away. His poll numbers sagging, the president, with Pence at his side, is struggling to stabilize the nation in the midst of multiple crises as more than a dozen senior officials across the White House, the Pentagon and inside his campaign have been infected by the virus he claimed would disappear.

Republicans desperately want to cast the race as a choice between two candidates fighting to move the country in vastly different directions. Biden and Harris, they say, would pursue a far-left agenda bordering on socialism; the Democrats say Trump’s administration will stoke racial and other divides, torpedo health care for people who aren’t wealthy and otherwise undercut national strength. But so long as the coronavirus is ravaging the White House and killing several hundred Americans each day, the election will almost certainly be a referendum on the Trump administration’s inability to control the pandemic, which Republicans have sought to downplay or ignore altogether for several months.

Pence’s message Wednesday night was undercut by the mere fact that the candidates and moderator were separated by plexiglass shields, seated more than 12 feet apart and facing a crowd of masked audience members who faced expulsion if they removed their face coverings. The candidates on stage revealed test results earlier in the day proving they were not infected.

Before Harris said a word, she made history by becoming the first Black woman to stand on a vice presidential debate stage. The night offered her a prime opportunity to energize would-be voters who have shown only modest excitement about Biden, a lifelong politician with a mixed record on race and criminal justice, particularly in his early years in the Senate.

Harris, 55, is the daughter of a Jamaican father and an Indian mother. She is also a former prosecutor whose pointed questioning of Trump’s appointees and court nominees helped make her a Democratic star.

Pence is a 61-year-old former Indiana governor and ex-radio host, an evangelical Christian known for his folksy charm and unwavering loyalty to Trump. And while he is Trump’s biggest public defender, the vice president does not share the president’s brash tone or undisciplined style.

The candidates also clashed on taxes — or specifically, Trump’s refusal to release his tax returns four years after repeatedly promising to do so. The New York Times reported last month that the president pays very little personal income tax but owes hundreds of millions of dollars in debt.

“It’d be really good to know who the president owes money to,” Harris said.

Pence defended Trump as a job creator who has paid more than his fair share of taxes and shifted toward Biden: “On Day One, Joe Biden’s going to raise your taxes.”

While the debate covered a range of topics, the virus was at the forefront.

Trump released a video just three hours before the debate calling his diagnosis “a blessing in disguise” because it shed light on an experimental antibody combination that he credited for his improved condition — though neither he nor his doctors have a way of knowing whether the drug had that effect.

Pence serves as chair of the president’s coronavirus task force, which has failed to implement a comprehensive national strategy even as Trump himself recovers from the disease and the national death toll surges past 210,000 with no end in sight.

The candidates appeared on stage exactly 12.25 feet (3.7 meters) apart and separated by plexiglass barriers. Both candidates released updated coronavirus test results ahead of the debate proving they were negative as of Tuesday.

Critics suggested that Pence should not be at the debate at all.

The vice president attended an event last week at the White House with Trump and others who have since tested positive, but Pence’s staff and doctors insist he does not need to quarantine under Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidelines.

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Peoples reported from New York. Colvin reported from Washington.

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doitforahobby

Don't you same guys who make comments on almost every article in the Newspaper have anything to do other than make these comments to each other. Do all of you work for the newspaper or what? I get tired of reading your same comments over and over. Didn't your mother teach you anything, especially RESPECT for each other if nothing else. Get a LIFE!

threecents

Is someone forcing you to read every post? Please don't come over to this pond just to poop in it.

NewMarketParent

@threecents

I like the phrase: "Don't yuck someone else's yum"

doitforahobby

Sorry to say threecents but I think you already took care of that yourself.

PurplePickles aka L&M

@doitforahobby

Well me and NMP do sometimes pose as each other and we are kinda of in a lock down still and a tad bored so... and no one is forcing you to read "our" comments and you are complaining to us to get a life, so I'm guessing you don't have much of a life either right now? Well you can blame the orange one for that and you can blame us for keeping you entertained..you're welcome.... I don't work for the newspaper but I know they also enjoy mine and NMP's comments.

I can't speak for my other self but I see respect as a two way street...and when I'm respected I will give respect right back and you are being a tad disrespectful to us.

Hey doitforahobby why don't you post something original ?

NewMarketParent

@PurplePickles

Am I the only one getting Grandpa Simpson yelling at clouds vibes from doitforahobby?

Commenting and being critical of others for commenting is pretty meta.

The other problem is that the people that yell in these threads about others to stop commenting are never REALLY fussing at the side they agree with.

I'm guessing I will told to get off the their lawn shortly.

PurplePickles aka L&M

@NMP

Well Butch/CD just told me to get off his lawn, I guess he needs his lawn for his business?

C.D.Reid

When you're respected you will give respect right back , PP? BS, pure, unadulterated BS. When you started posting comments you pushed your way in and started giving conservatives crap right off the bat, and you damned well know it. Just like your buddy NMP did. And you've both been doing it ever since, whether someone posts a comment directed to you or not. So I'm calling you out for what you are, a flagrant liar.

PurplePickles aka L&M

@CD my teeny tiny puppy dog I’m going to name Butch

Well what else am I supposed to do with you “conservatives” anyway? I’ve never denied that I love giving you a hard time, you’re the one that takes yourself seriously, and I find you all hilarious! So we make for good entertainment don’t we? So did you think I was going to kiss your? Also what exactly have I lied about CD no I mean Butch?

PurplePickles aka L&M

@Butch/CD.

So I’m a flagrant liar and your orange idol isn’t? Now you know why I laugh at you all. You calling me a flagrant liar just gives me more material to make fun of you with....thanks Butch

phydeaux994

CD, you are such a crybaby. “Why’s everybody always pickin’ on me”. Maybe it has something to do with you being the most hateful, nasty, Racist, commenter on the FNP Opinion Forum for years and years. But as soon as you get a little pushback you break down sobbing and sucking your thumb. And very, very, pi$$ed off. Poor baby. Waaaah!!

doitforahobby

I'm am 73 and a Vietnam Veteran and have seen a lot more than you guys using this as some kind of game between each other with no facts or substance. You don't respect each other, let alone want to respect me.

bosco

doitforahobby.... Welcome and thank you for your service. Not everybody here is hateful, vitriolic, or disrespectful. Some of us can disagree without being disagreeable and it doesn't take long to figure out who. Just ignore them.

I hope you'll stick around.

[ninja]

TomWheatley

Agreed. A small group putting down each other and trying to score points or something. I try very hard not to respond to any of them.

NewMarketParent

The WAPO, as usual, is doing a pretty good job slapping down the lies of Poop-Fly, 'Rona-Eye Pence.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/08/fact-checking-vice-presidential-debate-between-pence-harris/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F2c09455%2F5f7f3a489d2fda0efb42ee93%2F5972c6979bbc0f1cdceaa011%2F8%2F64%2F7e4be8e3fa152891f021c224a3f8c7cd#comments-wrapper

PurplePickles aka L&M

Now this should curl your hair or maybe make you grow hair? Anyway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzTzgf9i4vw&feature=emb_title

They Made a Top-Secret Film Exposing Trump’s COVID Cover-Up. Then He Got COVID.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/they-made-a-top-secret-film-exposing-trumps-covid-cover-up-then-he-got-covid?ref=home

Totally Under Control, the new documentary directed by Alex Gibney (Going Clear), Ophelia Harutyunyan, and Suzanne Hillinger, and written by Gibney, tracks our last eight months of pandemic hell. What the film confirms, through a careful examination of the facts and interviews with public health experts and civil servants, is that Donald Trump and his administration strategically endangered the majority of Americans and U.S. residents by downplaying the threat while actively discouraging protective measures like mask-wearing. And not only that, but Trump and co. created the conditions for failure by rejecting the government—including a pandemic plan and resources supplied by the outgoing Obama administration—in favor of business deals fashioned for personal gain rather than public benefit.

RATHER THAN PUBLIC BENEFIT.....let that sink in..

Totally Under Control, which comes out on demand Oct. 13 and on Hulu Oct. 20.

So yeah Trump did this on purpose but didn't we already know that?

Greg F

Here's more, now Trump is blaming Gold Star families for giving him COVID-19....and said he didn't want to tell them to give him 12 feet....TWELVE FEET? Um....yeah...whatever Donnie Damage.

PurplePickles aka L&M

@Greg F

Get outta here, just when I thought the orange one could not go lower he goes lower, he's probably almost all the way to China, I wonder what the Chinese will do with him when he pops in? I hope they keep him, I don't think anyone wants him back here?

Greg F

Story link to Gold Star blaming https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/08/trump-gold-star-families-coronavirus-427875?fbclid=IwAR2Lpvwn-BunATfjgbhH3bY42oqWjGHxGbplyoFQhpfyhc7sypk7zGcHVKU

Lemmy

As usual, Harris came to a battle of wits unarmed. She had some well rehearsed responses but she also lied frequently; she lied about Abraham Lincoln, she repeated the completely false Charlottesville hoax, and she falsely claimed Trump called COVID a hoax. She tried to defend Biden on fracking but reminded voters of how he’s been all over the map on whether he seeks to ban fracking or definitely does not want to. She feigned outrage when Pence said he hoped Democrats wouldn’t engage in religious attacks on Amy Coney Barrett, even though they have already done so and Harris herself tried to impose a religious test on a nominee for being a member of the Knights of Columbus.

Page, who wrote Nancy Pelosi's memoir, didn’t ask Harris about supporting a bail-out fund for rioters. She didn’t ask about Biden’s you ain’t black statement, that blacks aren’t diverse, getting arrested in So. Africa, flip-flopping on fracking, packing the court or Harris comparing ICE to the KKK.

PurplePickles aka L&M

@Lemmy

Read my post above yours..and I do so hate to burst your bubble......but how do feel about the orange one selling you out? He played you, how do you feel about that?

The orange one doing this:

Donald Trump and his administration strategically endangered the majority of Americans and U.S. residents by downplaying the threat while actively discouraging protective measures like mask-wearing. And not only that, but Trump and co. created the conditions for failure by rejecting the government—including a pandemic plan and resources supplied by the outgoing Obama administration—in favor of business deals fashioned for personal gain rather than public benefit.

NewMarketParent

@PurplePickles

Never expect a cultist to admit that they got played. They are in the cave and drinking the Kool Aid. The are all lining up on Fifth Avenue to be face-shot.

PurplePickles aka L&M

@NMP

Sitting in a cave drinking Kool Aid, and getting face shot, that should be a meme. Lol

Greg F

Lemmy...you seem to be the one mentally unarmed, and armored up with all defenses against anything truth related. There is no hoax that in Charlottesville they were waiving Nazi and confederate flags and one of them ran over a protester. Your Trumpydumb has the false narrative on that. Your SCOTUS nomination is just another right winger christo-fascist bent on shoving Jesus into the constitution and tearing down RVW, separation of Church and State, and women's rights...among other things. Pence totally dodge the question about Trump and his age and did he even have a conversation...rather he tried to gaslight about Obama's handling of something over a decade ago, which was NOT the question. He never answered it or even attempted to. Did she? Yep...satisfactorily too. Trump isn't even a Christian, yet he feigns so to attract the reich wingers like you and the ones who rampantly back religious extreme right wingers. You all still have never answered all the 2016 calls to delay because it was immoral, yet you still want to ram Barret down our throats, with Trump not even waiting until RGB was in the ground before he kicked her legacy before that. You have zero morals....backing a guy who has multiple sexual assault charges, including raping a child, a guy who is a peeping Tom at pageants at nude minor teens, pays porn stars while his kid nurses upstairs and is a multi-divorcee, proven pathological liar, and is a sham businessman with shady taxes that are now seriously going to jail him the minute he is out of office. Sorry...but I'd rather have Biden even if he fell asleep and Harris vs what we know are two peas in a pod of corruption, lies and hypocrisy in Trump and Pink-eye Pence...with Trump being even more senile post-covid and posturing while further endangering his staff between STILL no mask-wearing and joy riding while infected. Please, Lemming...go find that cliff.

Hayduke2

Lemmy says blah,blah,blah.... Same old same old.

NewMarketParent

@hayduke2

You managed to get "blah" out of that. It sounded more like a grunty-squeally noise to me.

MRS M

Poor but perpetually pious Pence, head-bobbing along like the passive-aggressive puppet he is. I do believe he leads the Covid19 task force for the USA, doesn't he? Funny! And if we remember, he and Trump have a case before SCOTUS to abolish the ACA, along with coverage for pre-existing conditions. Now THAT'S respect for life, for the suffering, for those struggling among us.. And I do believe he said " We believe in science" and we tell Americans "the truth". Spoken as a perpetually proud, anti choice right to lifer, unable to get his "mind" around the concept that people of color in our country are policed in a wholly different manner than us white folk. And that the majority of American women want choice in determining their heath care and reproductive choices. Clueless, and proud of it.. Oh so moral Pence, still defending Trump, seemingly unable to comprehend he hitched his star to a morally bankrupt and racist loser who is pile-driving his chances of another 4 years into the ground. Wasn't Pence a radio personality once? Maybe he can return to that once America, and American women in particular, kick him and Trump to the curb.

And to think we gave up our evening of binge watching "Shameless" to watch this rude, overbearing and fly-catching liar lie to the American people over and over. Now that's truly shameless. He, Trump, and Trump's family make the Gallagher's look like high achievers. But at least the Gallagher's are honest about their dysfunctions and their grifting, lying and moral bankruptcy.

NewMarketParent

@MRS M

The term that keeps coming to mind is "Dunning-Kruger".

PurplePickles aka L&M

@MRS M

Oh I love Shameless and I agree they have more morals in their little fingers than anyone in Trump world.

Pence has for sure sold his soul to the devil and has no idea how to get it back, do you think his god is happy with him? I don't know much about gods but I would imagine Pence makes his god very uncomfortable, and one could say his god has already smote him for selling his sole to the devil because last night he looked like he was in great pain, those red eyes were creeping me out, so I'm going to credit god with that and the fly.

PurplePickles aka L&M

I think I meant soul.....

PurplePickles aka L&M

But I could have meant sole..nope I meant soul.

threecents

Mrs M[thumbup]

PurplePickles aka L&M

Do you think flies can transmitted Covid-19? I'm kinda worried about the fly actually. Flies are attracted to poo .......and the fly did spent a few minutes in his hair last night so...

NewMarketParent

@PurplePickles

That fly raised a family and set up a Twitter account it was on his head so long last night.

PurplePickles aka L&M

@NMP

LOL there will probably be a twitter account for the Fly like there is for Devin Nunes Cow..

NewMarketParent

@PurplePickles

The Devin Nunes Cow Twitter account is the best thing ever.

threecents

One thing I missed - maybe because I was distracted by the fly - was Pence's explanation of why Trump has not released his Income Tax returns and who Trump owes over $400,000,000.00 to. Also, I think Pence was asked about how Trump "earned" $3Million from the Philippines and $1Million from Turkey during his first two years as president and if that has anything to do with his support of the brutal leaders of those two countries. If those things aren't related, I would still like to know why he supports anti-democratic leaders there and elsewhere. Just curious.

NewMarketParent

@threecents

That fly was the hero we need.

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EBelt

Why is it that the right is always worried about what is going on in another's bedroom? From the rights of the LGBTQ community, to a womans right to choose to insinuating about one's promiscuity, even when they elected a wanna be man whore to the highest office, they just can't keep their noses out of it. Weird.

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C.D.Reid

Harris did everything she could to sidestep the Supreme Court packing questions. Veiled transparency. Pence got it right when he said, for the record, that she refused to answer the question, and then looked into the camera and told the American people that that was exactly what Biden & Co. had in mind.

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Greg F

No straight answer on abortion rights either bonzai....the fly shows Pence is secretly the "Lord of the Flies" - aka Satan. Trump is pretty well described in the bible as well as all the characteristics of the beast....take your pick. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beelzebub

sevenstones1000

Bosco, shame on you for your comment.

If you want to talk about the sex lives of candidates, let’s ask who pays off porn stars.

C.D.Reid

Or we could talk about the 26 times Bill Clinton flew on "The Lolita Express."

Hayduke2

What has Clinton got to do with this? Whataboutism runs rampant when you can't defend something CD...

NewMarketParent

@hayduke2

That's because CD went to the Russian school of debate and public discourse.

C.D.Reid

Oh yeah, hay, you mean like the "whataboutism" you posted to me yesterday?

hayduke2 Oct 7, 2020 3:55pm

Take a look at your own posts and then get back to me.

NewMarketParent

@hayduke2

In true form and without a sense of irony, CD just whatabout'd you when you brought up his own whataboutism..

2020, you are the absolute best.

Hayduke2

Poor CD, always plays the victim. Guess you learned that from our current president. Perhaps, it is earned.

C.D.Reid

Poor hay, just can't stand it when your own garbage is thrown right back into your face, can you?

NewMarketParent

@hayduke2

Don't watch too closely our you will get whiplash as they quickly go from being aggressor to victim.

It's like watching a dog roll over and expose its stomach after barking and showing its teeth.

Hayduke2

Wow CD, what a burn.....

Greg F

Back to the Clintons, eh? Is that it? That was dealt with...and is over. This is now, and active, and a NATIONAL CONCERN that we have a complete incompetent boob in the office that is rampantly working to destroy this nation. You hand him the gas to and a fan to put out the fire.

threecents

Bill and Donald socialized with Epstein, as did virtually everyone in their huge wealthy American celebrity club. No evidence I know of that Bill or Donald did anything illegal with Epstein's slave teen girls. There is however proof that Donald went in teen beauty contest locker rooms to watch the girls undress. He has bragged about it, and some of the teenaged girls complained about it. That should obviously disqualify for any elected office. He has done 100s of things that should disqualify him.

phydeaux994

Sitting next to Donald Trump.

Blueline

Well, some people pay off porn stars, others appoint them to political positions.

NewMarketParent

@Blueline

Stormy is more successful at running a business than 45.

NewMarketParent

Stormy got into congress?

NewMarketParent

@sevenstones1000

If the past 3 years have taught us anything, it is that you can't shame the deplorables. They only understand being bullied back. It is fun to watch them wine and cry like all bullies do when they are fed their own medicine.

The transition from aggressor to victim can cause whiplash if you watch it closely.

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NewMarketParent

No shame for 45 who regularly has to pay for it and raw-dogged a porn star while his wife was recovering from child birth.

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Hayduke2

Provide your source bosco.. You know this how? Alex Jones or QAnon tell you?

MRS M

How about Boscos Facebook friends, hay? Or Boscos friends at FoxStateTV?

Bosco is struggling here to attempt to post something (anything!!, really) original, and to distract from Senator Kammala Harris's slap down of Pence last night. Bosco's forced to 'go low" with old gossip sure to be titillating to old men needing a distraction to post, 'cause he ain't got nuthin' else.

I could say "you can't fix stupid". Sure, it's been overused, but, when the shoe fits, right Bosco?

NewMarketParent

@hayduke2

QAnon got kicked off of Facebook. Even that cesspool can't stand them anymore.

NewMarketParent

@MRS M

Reek is always struggling. It is always a struggle to defend the indefensible. The Republican playbook says to distract, lie and bull$h17 your way to victory.

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public-redux

Probably a socialist fly.

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MRS M

the fly, with nary a word, told America just what Pence is.......

Greg F

Oh...and it appears pence had pink eye....is he infected? My guess is yes.

NewMarketParent

@Greg F

That's called 'Rona-eye.

Greg F

Pence was evasive and misleading constantly and refused to give straight answers. Asked a specific question on serving the would-be oldest president totally dodged the answer and went off on a tangent about Obama instead that was full of misinformation and stretching of the reality of that time. Another bloviated gas bag unfit for office.

pdl603

Commala is a goof. She like Joe have no new ideas just the same democrat manifesto as in the past.

KellyAlzan

Like what?

NewMarketParent

@KellyAlzan

The only word PDL knows is "Socialism". Granted, he doesn't know what it actually means, but he does know that word.

C.D.Reid

He also knows that you're a waste of oxygen, as we all do.

NewMarketParent

I must've have hit a good note this morning. To get personal insults so early, it is refreshing.

Hayduke2

Look in the mirror bro...

C.D.Reid

I'll remember that, NMP, the next time you start your personal insults early one morning. Trust me.

NewMarketParent

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

C.D.Reid

Try thinking, Plumbum; "She, like Joe, have no new ideas just the same democrat manifesto as in the past." See, that's not so hard now, is it?

Greg F

A goof? Really, piddle...you're the one who continually spouts nonsense, day after day, all while ignoring the stark lies that fly out of Trump and Pence's mouths every single day, and the most recent psychotic behavior and statements Trump has made, and outright ignoring of major issues and warping the realities that both have portrayed about the virus for half a year. Look in the mirror, piddle...there you will see the real goof....one I'm sure your parents regretted.

C.D.Reid

Do you think pdl's parents regretted him as much as your parents regret having you? Or are your parents as mentally deranged as you are? My guess is they are, if not more so.

Greg F

Oh, CD..you're just so witty....what's next...you saying "I know I am but what are you?" You are laughable and just pathetic. Your trailer awaits you, trash.

NewMarketParent

@Greg F

CD is getting all up in his feelings this morning.

C.D.Reid

Yet no reply by you to your buddy Greg for saying someones parents regretted having that person. See, this is why you people are known for your disgusting hypocrisy, NMP. And hay tells me to look in the mirror. [lol][lol][lol]

NewMarketParent

@CD

So when did you stop beating your wife?

Greg F

Whatever mind he has must be exploding as he is watching his party and candidates twirl down the drain. It's quite obvious he's one of those who's so latched onto something he's got to stick with it to the very end, plugging every last dime into the slot of life, watching the wheels spin up a non-winning fruit trio again. It's got to be hard for all the lily white racist pigs of the world watch as yet again, as their modern-day General Lee loses this battle they so desperately want to cling to. I'm sure Mussolini had fanboys like him too. Charles Manson had his disciples up to the day he died and past that even who thought he was just a nice boy.

NewMarketParent

@Greg F

We are watching conservatives perpetually lose at "The Claw". That is the perfect analogy.

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