WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump was impeached by the U.S. House for a historic second time Wednesday, charged with “incitement of insurrection” over the deadly mob siege of the Capitol in a swift and stunning collapse of his final days in office.

With the Capitol secured by armed National Guard troops inside and out, the House voted 232-197 to impeach Trump. The proceedings moved at lightning speed, with lawmakers voting just one week after violent pro-Trump loyalists stormed the U.S. Capitol after the president’s calls for them to “fight like hell” against the election results.

Ten Republicans fled Trump, joining Democrats who said he needed to be held accountable and warned ominously of a “clear and present danger” if Congress should leave him unchecked before Democrat Joe Biden’s inauguration Jan. 20.

Trump is the only U.S. president to be twice impeached. It was the most bipartisan presidential impeachment in modern times, more so than against Bill Clinton in 1998.

The Capitol insurrection stunned and angered lawmakers, who were sent scrambling for safety as the mob descended, and it revealed the fragility of the nation’s history of peaceful transfers of power. The riot also forced a reckoning among some Republicans, who have stood by Trump throughout his presidency and largely allowed him to spread false attacks against the integrity of the 2020 election.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi invoked Abraham Lincoln and the Bible, imploring lawmakers to uphold their oath to defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign “and domestic.”

She said of Trump: “He must go, he is a clear and present danger to the nation that we all love.”

Holed up at the White House, watching the proceedings on TV, Trump took no responsibility for the bloody riot seen around the world, but issued a statement urging “NO violence, NO lawbreaking and NO vandalism of any kind" to disrupt Biden's ascension to the White House.

In the face of the accusations against him and with the FBI warning of more violence, Trump said, “That is not what I stand for, and it is not what America stands for. I call on ALL Americans to help ease tensions and calm tempers.”

Trump was first impeached by the House in 2019 over his dealings with Ukraine, but the Senate voted in 2020 acquit. He is the first to be impeached twice. None has been convicted by the Senate, but Republicans said Wednesday that could change in the rapidly shifting political environment as officeholders, donors, big business and others peel away from the defeated president.

The soonest Republican Senate leader Mitch McConnell would start an impeachment trial is next Tuesday, the day before Trump is already set to leave the White House, McConnell's office said. The legislation is also intended to prevent Trump from ever running again.

McConnell believes Trump committed impeachable offenses and considers the Democrats’ impeachment drive an opportunity to reduce the divisive, chaotic president’s hold on the GOP, a Republican strategist told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

McConnell told major donors over the weekend that he was through with Trump, said the strategist, who demanded anonymity to describe McConnell’s conversations.

In a note to colleagues Wednesday, McConnell said he had “not made a final decision on how I will vote.”

Unlike his first time, Trump faces this impeachment as a weakened leader, having lost his own reelection as well as the Senate Republican majority.

Even Trump ally Kevin McCarthy, the House Republican leader, shifted his position and said Wednesday the president bears responsibility for the horrifying day at the Capitol.

In making a case for the “high crimes and misdemeanors” demanded in the Constitution, the four-page impeachment resolution approved Wednesday relies on Trump’s own incendiary rhetoric and the falsehoods he spread about Biden’s election victory, including at a rally near the White House on the day of the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol.

A Capitol Police officer died from injuries suffered in the riot, and police shot and killed a woman during the siege. Three other people died in what authorities said were medical emergencies. The riot delayed the tally of Electoral College votes that was the last step in finalizing Biden’s victory.

Ten Republican lawmakers, including third-ranking House GOP leader Liz Cheney of Wyoming, voted to impeach Trump, cleaving the Republican leadership, and the party itself.

Cheney, whose father is the former Republican vice president, said of Trump's actions summoning the mob that "there has never been a greater betrayal by a President” of his office.

Trump was said to be livid with perceived disloyalty from McConnell and Cheney.

With the team around Trump hollowed out and his Twitter account silenced by the social media company, the president was deeply frustrated that he could not hit back, according to White House officials and Republicans close to the West Wing who weren’t authorized to speak publicly about private conversations.

From the White House, Trump leaned on Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina to push Republican senators to resist, while chief of staff Mark Meadows called some of his former colleagues on Capitol Hill.

The president’s sturdy popularity with the GOP lawmakers’ constituents still had some sway, and most House Republicans voted not to impeach.

Security was exceptionally tight at the Capitol, with tall fences around the complex. Metal-detector screenings were required for lawmakers entering the House chamber, where a week earlier lawmakers huddled inside as police, guns drawn, barricade the door from rioters.

“We are debating this historic measure at a crime scene,” said Rep. Jim McGovern, D-Mass.

During the debate, some Republicans repeated the falsehoods spread by Trump about the election and argued that the president has been treated unfairly by Democrats from the day he took office.

Other Republicans argued the impeachment was a rushed sham and complained about a double standard applied to his supporters but not to the liberal left. Some simply appealed for the nation to move on.

Rep. Tom McClintock of California said, “Every movement has a lunatic fringe."

Yet Democratic Rep. Jason Crow, D-Colo. and others recounted the harrowing day as rioters pounded on the chamber door trying to break in. Some called it a “coup” attempt.

Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., contended that Trump was “capable of starting a civil war.”

Conviction and removal of Trump would require a two-thirds vote in the Senate, which will be evenly divided. Republican Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania joined Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska over the weekend in calling for Trump to “go away as soon as possible.”

Fending off concerns that an impeachment trial would bog down his first days in office, Biden is encouraging senators to divide their time between taking taking up his priorities of confirming his nominees and approving COVID-19 relief while also conducting the trial.

The impeachment bill draws from Trump’s own false statements about his election defeat to Biden. Judges across the country, including some nominated by Trump, have repeatedly dismissed cases challenging the election results, and former Attorney General William Barr, a Trump ally, has said there was no sign of widespread fraud.

The House had first tried to persuade Vice President Mike Pence and the Cabinet to invoke their authority under the 25th Amendment to remove Trump from office. Pence declined to do so, but the House passed the resolution anyway.

The impeachment bill also details Trump’s pressure on state officials in Georgia to “find” him more votes.

While some have questioned impeaching the president so close to the end of his term, there is precedent. In 1876, during the Ulysses Grant administration, War Secretary William Belknap was impeached by the House the day he resigned, and the Senate convened a trial months later. He was acquitted.

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Associated Press writers Kevin Freking, Andrew Taylor and Zeke Miller contributed to this report.

(81) comments

olefool

I just watched Joe Biden's talk tonight... Phew..,, it's about time an adult showed up.. He sounds like a man with a plan. I couldn't help watching him and comparing his talk and delivery to Trump's bloviations; a welcome relief to my blood pressure. Plus, I beliece everything he said.

bosco

Well, olefool, you probably believed Quid Pro Joe when he lied about graduating at the top of his class too. Just Google "Joe Biden Pathological Liar" and you'll find several articles documenting his lies over the years.

You can alway tell when a politician is lying, his/her lips are moving.

olefool

So bosco, you wanna stack your hero up against Joe for who is most truthful??? I didn't think so... I doubt you even wat5ched Joe's talk, that alone renders your comments irrelevant...

bosco

Never said Trump was my hero, olefool. Just shows that your projector is running. I've watched a lot of Bidenz speeches and remember a lot of his talking points - such as you ain't Black unless you vote for him, his pledge to provide free health care for illegal aliens, free citizenship to illegals, Antifa is just an idea, how he isn't going to raise taxes, and his grandiose statement that he IS the Democrat party - while he is just a puppet for the radical left and is letting Pelosi derail his 100 day plan.

That's the trouble, olefool, I listen to both sides.

KellyAlzan

The potus has been impeached because of the chaos in DC last week.

Two police officers were killed.

A suspect was arrested today. And the news reported what they found when they did their warrant. They reported what he wrote on his social media posts. It’s APPALLING. If you haven’t heard the report - then find it before commenting.

This FNP news story is about a POTUS inciting a riot and violence. Has the potus not done this, two police officers would still be alive. Two police officers would STILL BE ALIVE.

And as I wrote in an earlier post, the Frederick county MD sheriff is one of Frederick county’s biggest loyalist to that POTUS.

Sharing the opinion of majority since new details emerged this evening.

The potus is ultimately responsible for the death of the police officers.

How can Sherf Trumpkins continue to stand behind Donald trump? How can Sherf Trumpkins NOT support Trumps impeachment?

Donald trump has been at war with America. Any law enforcement leader that supports Trump is pathetic.

newspostreader

On a different note, Pelosi is wearing the same thing she did the last time she stood in this position impeaching Trump. It's like she has a dedicated outfit.

PurplePickles aka L&M

@News

what an odd thing to notice, but yeah at this point she probably does have an impeachment outfit. Knowing Nancy she did it on purpose so people would notice and you did. I like her white suit the best...

public-redux

It does look a bit frayed.

Blueline

Yes, but her face was a lot tighter last time. Did something happen to her?

PurplePickles aka L&M

Probably stress relief....she knows she will not be needing to hold another impeachment trial anytime soon.

NewMarketParent

@Blueline

Realizing that you came minutes from being murdered and that your coworkers held the door open and continue to hold the door open for the murderers changes you.

PurplePickles aka L&M

@NMP

That too...so much on Nancy's mind right now, it's been one hellavu week for her that much's for sure.

public-redux

You’re right. She does look more serene and angelic than usual. I wonder why.

NewMarketParent

Everyone please remember that impeachment is a political process. It determines whether you get to keep a job, not whether you will be locked up.

If you are using a democratic process to get a job, you should not keep that job if you do not believe in democracy.

matts853

There’s an analog sequel to ‘Hogan’s Heroes’ in the offing - it’s called ‘Trump’s Traitors’.

MD1756

Once again, Trump proves he's the greatest. No other president can touch his two impeachment record and hopefully no one in the future will try (or feel the need to try).

DickD

Trump is a crook, a gangster, he never should have been elected. .Get rid of him and make sure he can never hold another office. He has destroyed the Republican party and harmed the U.S.

Reader1954

typical political moves. Nothing but grandstanding by quickly passing an impeachment vote. Where was the quick action on the real problems that needed to be handled in this country?

threecents

Whatever the motives for the vote, there is no doubt that Trump is guilty of the charges.

Reader1954, Insurrection is a real problem? A Capitol Police Officer was murdered. If “blue lives” matter there needs to be accountability for his death immediately ... Lock them “ALL” up.

Thewheelone

Since November 4th, the president has not spoken much about or done much of anything except spewing the lunacy that election was rigged. Try to keep up, Reader1954

NewMarketParent

@Reader1954

So, if someone tried to kill you and wasn't successful, we should just ignore it? Please make sure you tell that to the police just in case.

shiftless88

Not sure what you mean about "quick action". For example, the House passed the second stimulus bill in the summer and it took until December for the Senate to vote. Was there something else you meant?

Hayduke2

Reader, do you mean those things that Trump and Mitch have ignored for the past four years. I'll agree they never address the real problems facing America.

newspostreader

Can something explain this to me. I truly don't understand how it works. This has passed the House and now on to the Senate. It has not yet gone there and we don't know what the outcome will be once it does. How do we consider him impeached when it's only gone through one? If it only takes one side of Congress to be considered impeached, then why does it even go to the other? I've tried researching this but can't find an answer that explains it. Maybe someone here can. Does it only take one to impeach, but both to remove from office? Is that just the difference?

public-redux

Impeachment is akin to being charged with a crime. Only after impeachment is the accused tried. The House impeaches; the Senate holds the trial. In the criminal justice system, the prosecutor indicts; the jury renders the verdict.

threecents

An impeachment is like an indictment. It is just a way of formally charging the president with "high crimes/misdemeanors" in the House. The meaning of "high crimes/misdemeanors" is up to interpretation. Then the Senate trial determines if the president should be punished by removal from office and perhaps not being able to be reelected.

As already stated: Impeachment is a political exercise to remove someone for wrongful doing. It is like an indictment (something that the prosecutor needs to get before a trial). Someone is impeached when the house votes to do that. The senate then acts as the jury. A two-thirds vote by the senate is a finding of guilt.

newspostreader

public-redux, threecents & awteam2000 - Thanks for the response. Makes sense now. I appreciate the explanation.

NewMarketParent

@newspostreader

Also, it determines whether you keep a job. In this specific case, it is more like impeachment is like HR deciding whether you get to stay on board because you tried to have your boss killed by your coworkers.

Blueline

They probably have a better case than the first time, but still not enough.

KellyAlzan

So there is documentation, I want to point out that this president trump is who frederick county md sheriff , Charles A Jenkins, Chuck Jenkins, is a loyalist to. Chuck Jenkins,!is so loyal, so committed, to Donald trump, that he proudly earned the nickname of Sherf Trumpkins..

Capital police offices were killed at the hands of Donald trump. And the sheriff of Frederick stands tall at trumps side. Is this who YOU want as sheriff?

gabrielshorn2013

Trollin', trollin', trollin'

The "LEAD" on keeps on trolling

Plumbum!

Off topic Pb, therefore trolling.

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gabrielshorn2013

Lots of gratuitous assertions there GregF, and the BJ reference was a little over the top. When it comes to job performance, it is irrelevant to me who someone supports politically (R, D, I, L, G, or Pastafarian). Pb, just has a wild hair for the Sheriff, and spews her off-topic personal, ad hominem , vitriol any opportunity she gets. She clearly holds a personal grudge against the sheriff.

Thewheelone

Nailed it, gabrielshorn

threecents

It's also no secret that our sheriff was active in the birther movement before Trump admitted it was a hoax. I remember Blaine and him promoting a documentary promoting the Birther Movement and the idea that Obama was a Muslim bent on destroying the country.

NewMarketParent

@threecents

We keep ending up in this place where people who are armed and violent are indulging in magical thinking and denying what is in front of their very eyes that doesn't agree with their world view.

Maga is a terrorist movement intent on the violent overthrow of the democratically elected US Government.

Rhetoric matters and Maga has steadily turned up the rhetoric and increased both the size and viciousness of the the lies.

NewMarketParent

@gabrielshorn2013

Trumpkins was just on video repeating the same Big Lie as told by Republicans in order to rationalize a murderous mob mounting an insurrection in the US Capitol.

https://vimeo.com/user115832340/review/492154103/49e3c94cde?fbclid=IwAR2qGlY7HatZAA9oqJQ6AGUv--GaLQ5SyuZCWLvwkUAiHHERvETFCXl80ek

Advance to about 1:15 and you will hear him talking about a stolen election.

gabrielshorn2013

Thanks for the link NMP. His speech to the Frederick County Conservative Club (sign in the background) is ludicrous. Had he not been wearing his official work uniform, this would be his opinion, or personal speech to a group of like-minded individuals in a private club. Wearing his uniform made that an official FCSO statement, and should be condemned. I will be sending him a letter via the Post Office expressing my opinion of his speech to him (nobody ever tripped over a bag of e-mail). Maybe others should do the same.

NewMarketParent

@gabrielshorn2013

Rhetoric matters. It is the ripple in the water that signals that something big is coming. I have a friend who analyzes rhetoric and has a doctorate. She has seen this coming a mile off. Most people who have been feeling very uneasy about what has been happening for the last 4 years is right. It is just that their "spidersense" was set off by the ratcheting rhetoric of divisiveness. One thing that would really go far with the whole "unity" call is just being honest about the election, but we can't even get Republicans (in general) to do that.

gabrielshorn2013

You'll get no argument from me regarding rhetoric mattering, NMP. It certainly does. However, the continuous ratcheting up of the bellicose rhetoric was happening long before the current administration; back to Reagan as far as I can remember. Each side appears to want to ratchet-up their statements to a point that it is now hyperbole in order to get their constituencies to move off center. This has led to the current polarization where neither side is willing to back down or work with the other, lest they be "primaried", and is the reason that I no longer belong to either of the major parties. As I said in a previous thread, our neighbors are not our enemies because they may have different political, religious, or lifestyle beliefs, etc., or may be from a different socio-economic group.

bosco

Gabrielshorn2013 [thumbup][thumbup][thumbup][thumbup]. Plumbum can turn any article into a Jenkins rant. That's a singular focus if there ever was one.

NewMarketParent

@gabrielshorn2013

I agree that both sides have elevated the rhetoric, but from a POC viewpoint, the rhetoric threatening murder if they don't get their way majorly comes from one side.

I'm not saying that there haven't been threats of violence from left as well as right, but when the left does it, it is taken seriously because the power structure is typically right-leaning. When the right does it, it is not taken seriously and the left is called hysterical up to the point that it actually does happen.

public-redux

gabe, I would definitely be predisposed to a Pastafarian. Ramen!

gabrielshorn2013

Agreed public. May the sauce be with you!

LeonardKeepers

i would not hold my breath on any democrats being prosecuted.many democrats need to be impeached and sent packing. it just will not happen at this time.

Piedmontgardener

Nice syntax. Reminds of WSJ offshore players. Maybe hide that a bit, Google translate sometimes requires some editing.

threecents

Some should be impeached from this forum.

Greg F

So, Lenny....you're now going after Democrats rather than the ones who committed the crimes at the capitol? Are you going after them for what? Pizza-gate? HIllary's emails again? What this time? You are the typical reich wing trumpkin who simply parrots the charges back to the other side...like a schooboy saying "I know you are but what am I?" Cripes...get a life and an education and some common sense.

olefool

Well 'er 'um you gotta do something illegal or immoral to get impeached Leonard. Democrats usually play by the rules, usually....

Piedmontgardener

After the most sorrow filled year in many, a correct and necessary step to restoring decency.

LeonardKeepers

i feel if pelosi was not speaker of the house we would not be having these stupid proceedings that are going on in DC.pelosi is so full of blind hate and vindictiveness,she will not be satisfied until she ruins the best President we have had in years.one way or another she will get her due for impeaching president trump a second time unfortunately i feel she might win this time and i hope i am wrong.there are so many gutless republicans that have deserted him and turned their back on him.this is a very sad state of affairs that pelosi and the democrats in congress cannot do what we have sent them to do in DC. one thing that badly needs handling is the operations of the post office. people are having trouble getting time stamped mail. i am set up to have my bank to take money out of my account and mail it to where i live for the purpose of paying my rent. it is due on the 3rd of each month and as of January 13th, it has yet to arrive.i had to write another check to pay my rent.very deplorable of a federal entity.

francesca_easa

Yes, we should also impeach many members of Congress for failure to keep promises and serve the people.

PurplePickles aka L&M

@fran

Well I don’t know about impeachment but I can guarantee some members of Congress will either be arrested and/ or removed or both for failure to keep their promises they made to their country! so I’m looking forward to that for sure. I have my popcorn ready ....

francesca_easa

Firstly, I hate the name Fran. Secondly, Congress is full of overpaid, do nothing, entitled people who need to go. Funny how they can assemble quickly to impeach a president but drag their feet on economic relief and throw in things totally unrelated to the pandemic. Quite frankly, i am irritated with them all. A used car salesman rates has more credibility in my mind right now.

NewMarketParent

@francesca_easa

The people who impeached have been trying to get bills passed, but the current leader of the Senate refuses to bring them to the floor. Please direct your anger at the appropriate parties. There are about 400 pieces of legislation sitting on Mitch's desk.

shiftless88

francesca; Again you seem to be unaware that the House had passed a second stimulus bill for economic relief IN THE SUMMER. Months ago. The Senate did not act until December. So why are you blaming the House?

PurplePickles aka L&M

@francesca_easa

I hate typing long names, people usually call me P.P. in case you didn't know.

Aren't you the one that said last week there are bad people on both sides?

Maybe you could clarify what you mean by bad people? Because you seem mighty confused about "bad people" and "both sides"?

Me and NMP and shiftless88 are reading your comment and wondering why you are so confused about the "bad people" and "both sides", and when you talk about entitled people need to go, I couldn't agree more. But for some reason I'm thinking we are picturing different people when we think about entitled people...but we could be thinking of the same people?

So if could just clear up what you mean by:

bad people

both sides

entitled people.

Really you think a used car salesman has more credibility than most Republicans right now? Yeah I guess I can see that....[wink][wink]

shiftless88

francesca; the first CARES act also had a lot of things unrelated to the pandemic. But all the Republicans praised Trump for that.

francesca_easa

Some reason, I am unable to reply to commenters. In response to Purple, NewMarket and Shiftless, yes I am AWARE that Congress includes both the House & Senate and that the House passed a bill earlier this year full with a huge price tag and full of items totally unrelated to the pandemic. The Senate rejected it. A counter proposal was rejected by the House. Therefore, all parties and both sides of Congress, failed our citizens and wasted time because they would not compromise. And it seems every month these jokers are on recess. I am fed up with politicians, including our own Mayor. Like Willie sings "Vote Them All Out".

At any rate, I will stop commenting because it does not change anything and just gets my ire up.

PurplePickles aka L&M

@francesa_easa

Totally off topic but what do you think about this? but kinda goes along with items totally unrelated to things we should be spending money on so I guess it's not that off topic?

Secret Service spent $3K a month on rental toilet after Jared and Ivanka wouldn't let them use their bathroom...they have 6 BATHROOMS

The Washington Post reports that Secret Service agents were strictly forbidden from using any of the toilets in Jared and Ivanka's house located in the elite Kalorama neighborhood in Washington D.C.

This forced agents to find creative ways to properly relieve themselves, including trips to former President Barack Obama's house, which is located in the same neighborhood, as well as renting a porta-potty.

https://www.rawstory.com/secret-service/

It will be nice when these entitled people are gone....

PurplePickles aka L&M

Huh? I think you need to get some sleep?

Piedmontgardener

It's all deplorable, Leonard and Trump did it all. Consider the source, if you can face the examination.

phydeaux994

Doesn’t seem Trump did much for you these past 4 years. It’s his doing that has wrecked the USPS. Didn’t you get that big tax cut the rich people got? Hasn’t your Stock Portfolio gained 200% or more over the past 4 years? NO?? But you think he’s the best President in decades?? You make no dang sense LK.

PurplePickles aka L&M

@phy

Remember they have been brainwashed, so I don’t think brainwashed people make sense to non-brainwashed people, maybe LK will reread what he wrote and see how nonsensical he’s being, but I doubt it, but he will make perfect sense to another brainwashed person, you watch..,

MD1756

The USPS has had problems for a long time and changes are absolutely needed. The USPS has run a deficit since 2006. See the following for a description of the long standing problems: https://www.rstreet.org/2019/02/27/five-charts-show-the-grim-financial-condition-of-the-u-s-postal-service/ We are seeing the impact of bad changes (and/or changes made too quickly such as shutting down some machines and centers) directed by Trump though. Here is a Forbes article with a take on Trump's actions or statements regarding the USPS: https://www.forbes.com/sites/ebauer/2020/08/16/separating-fact-from-fiction-on-trump-and-the-post-officeand-why-it-matters/?sh=3ef91b8b3d74

The USPS has had big problems and instead of fixing the problems, Trump made them worse faster than if he had taken no action.

Greg F

Lenny, obviously you must have believed trump's "we love you, now go home" statement and in your lonely little mind, you are confirmed now by Daddy Warbucks as a legitimate child instead of the dotard orphan town drunk it seems is more likely. Hate and vindictiveness is the sole modus operandi of Agent Benedict Arnold Donald Orange and he was spewing it out on TV last Wednesday like a parade thows out candy to the kiddies. Must have been good candy for you.

threecents

Unlike Trump, I think the USPS should be subsidized. What do you think LK?

DickD

I am sure the thought of never having Donald Trump as POTUS there never would have been two Impeachments never occurred to you Leonard.

Dwasserba

A Trump apointee with no background runs the post office, dude. Research it. DeJoy. Wow.

gabrielshorn2013

Deb, not correct. DeJoy was hired by the Board of Governors for the Post Office by unanimous vote. From Wikipedia:

"He was appointed in May 2020 by the Board of Governors of the United States Postal Service"

"DeJoy was CEO of High Point, North Carolina-based New Breed Logistics from 1983 to 2014, and retired after his company was acquired by the Connecticut-based freight transporter XPO Logistics for a reported $615 million. Following that acquisition, he served as CEO of XPO's supply chain business in North America until his retirement the next year and was appointed to a strategic role on XPO Logistics' board of directors where he served until 2018."

Other than being specifically mentioned in the US Constitution, there is no difference between the US Post office and any other logistics company. Item "X" gets moved from point A to point B in the most efficient manner possible. Mail is included as "item X", and the changes being made at the PO have been in the works since the 1970s to make it as efficient as possible (as any other operation would do)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_DeJoy

olefool

Just proves my theory gabe, That DeJoy is a master technician in dismantling and destroying a logistics organization the size of the USPS. Those are the creds Trump required his hand picked Board of Governor's to use when picking DeJoy. If you'll check the factual history you'll learn that DJT's Amazon nemesis Jeff Bezos, a democrat, enjoyed a sweetheart deal with the USPS that gave Trump a serious itch, so in his world the balm to that itch would be to blow up the entire US Postal service. Screwed again by Trump Leonard.... just sayin'.....

threecents

The USPS Board of Governors were appointed by Trump, and the USPS has mandated functions and responsibilities that are unlike any company.

gabrielshorn2013

I thoroughly understand that Jeff Bezos is Trump's nemesis, olefool. My response was to Deb's claim that DeJoy has no experience in this area. He does, and it is significant. Despite who appointed him, you cannot deny that an organization, any organization, must be run as efficiently as possible (including efficient utilization of their assets, and reduced operating costs), and DeJoy had the experience to do so. The PO had a utilization rate for their sorters of between 30% and 38%, which has been reported for years, and remediation of that problem began long before DeJoy took office. Those machines sat unused between 62% and 70% of the time (between 5 and 5.6 hours in an 8 hour shift), and distribution centers have several of them each. Although they may take one out of service at a facility, that facility still has several more, which increases those machines utilization. Further, automated equipment is meant to be run at a constant rate. The machines do not work well if they are allowed to just sit, run a little while, sit, and so on. It also increases the level of maintenance required to keep those machines operating. DeJoy may be a convenient whipping boy, but he is implementing changes that the Postal Service Board of Governors (both R and D) chose to implement long ago over several administrations, both R and D.

Hayduke2

Gabe - also not entirely correct. "The Board normally consists of up to nine governors appointed by the President of the United States with the advice and consent of the Senate." Therefore, depending on who the president appoints and his goals, they have major influence on the Postmaster General.

gabrielshorn2013

While that may be true hay, the Board of Governors have set terms that may overlap administrations. Nonetheless, my other statements stand. The plans for the Post Office were set long ago; long before DeJoy, and long before Trump. They removed 711 underutilized sorting machines this year, but did you know that in fiscal year 2016, USPS removed more than 1,100 sorting machines machines from across the country?

Hayduke2

Not arguing the point about the degradation of the PO happening over the last decade. Just pointing out that the fact that the President has influence over the Board of Directors can either determine the direction of the PO or accelerate the issues facing it.

gabrielshorn2013

Agreed that the President can exert influence. However, the current PMG has been following the strategic plan established by his predecessor(s). Please see the following:

https://about.usps.com/strategic-planning/five-year-strategic-plan-2020-2024.pdf

https://about.usps.com/strategic-planning/five-year-strategic-plan-2017-2021.pdf

shiftless88

Leonard; I agree with you! If Dems were not leading the House then unfortunately, all sorts of transgressions would go unnoticed while the House would still be holding hearings on Benghazi and Hillary's emails. Does anyone else find it odd that Leonard and POTUS seem to believe that disagreeing with someone is akin to "turning their back on him"? And Leonard, if you are concerned about the USPS keep in mind that DeJoy, a Trump nominee, is kneecapping the system. Delayed mail increased tremendously not long after he got into office and started reducing hours and removing machines.

public-redux

#Trumpscrewedtheputsch

francesca_easa

Rightly deserved. Very unfortunate

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