In its first meeting in years, the Frederick County Board of Health met late into the night Thursday before voting to impose further restrictions to help control the rampant spread of the novel coronavirus.

The restrictions, which go into effect at 5 p.m. Friday, mandate that residents wear masks in all indoor public spaces as well as outdoor public spaces when physical distancing can't be maintained with non-family members in Frederick County and limit all gatherings in residences and businesses to no more than 25 people.

Any violators of the restrictions outlined in Board of Health Regulation 01-2020 will be subject to a fine. A first-time offense would result in a fine of $250. A second offense would carry a fine of $375, while third and subsequent offenses would result in a fine of $500.

The regulation can be enforced by any county division or department or a designee. Citations can be written by the County Health Officer, Dr. Barbara Brookmyer, or a designee.

The 7-1 vote to implement further restrictions followed a discussion by the county health board that was at times contentious and stretched more than four hours. Some small amendments were required before it finally passed around 11:25 p.m.

The only board member to oppose the measure was County Councilman Phil Dacey, who supported parts of the regulation, but not all of it. He worried that enforcing it would require some businesses to close.

"Really, I think it's a disservice to the people of Frederick County that we are passing this in the dead of night without public comment," Dacey said right before the vote was taken.

The county Board of Health passed the more restrictive measures on a day that saw more than 150,000 new COVID-19 infections reported across the U.S.

Both Maryland and Frederick County saw one of their largest daily increases in cases, with 1,477 infections reported across the state and 55 in the county. The county surpassed a 5 percent positivity rate for the first time since June 18.

"The goal is to get people to comply [with the regulation] rather than to be heavy-handed [with enforcement]," County Executive Jan Gardner said.

Gardner sits on the county's Board of Health, along with Brookmyer and the members of the County Council.

The state calls for each county's Board of Health to meet twice a year, but it's unclear the last time the Frederick County Board of Health had actually convened. Brookmyer said it had been a number of years, and that she planned on getting in the habit of convening the board in May and October.

The regulation limits indoor capacity for events held at bars, breweries, distilleries, public venues and several businesses in the county to 25 percent capacity or 25 people, whichever is less. Wedding venues will be restricted in the same way, beginning at 9 a.m. on Nov. 30.

Restaurant capacity remains at 50 percent, as those activities are not considered social gatherings, said Vivian Laxton, Gardner's communications director.

For religious facilities, that capacity is capped at 50 percent. Fitness centers, health clubs and other similar businesses are capped at 25 percent.

"The goal is always to be a step ahead [of the virus]," said Tom Kleinhanzl, the President and CEO at Frederick Health Hospital.

The hospital was treating 18 coronavirus patients, as of Wednesday, including two in intensive care.

Kleinhanzl said Frederick Health Hospital was well positioned to handle a surge in COVID-19 patients, stating it was 60 beds away from possibly having to postpone elective surgeries and 100 beds away from cancelling them.

But he also warned that this fall virus surge is likely "to get much worse before it gets better."

On a recent hike in the county, Brookmyer noted that many people she passed were not wearing masks and didn't bother to turn their heads.

"Fortunately, I can hold my breath for a really long time," she said.

Dacey opposed passing the regulation because he felt the public had not had time to review or speak on the matter. 

However, Gardner pushed back, saying that she enacts executive orders with minimal public input, and there was no time for inaction with the surging coronavirus.

"We need to stay a step ahead [of the virus] to protect public health and to protect our economy," Gardner said.

The county regulation was passed two days after Gov. Larry Hogan restricted capacity at Maryland restaurants and bars to 50 percent. They had been operating at 75 percent in the county for more than a month and almost two months in other parts of the state.

News-Post staff writer Steve Bohnel contributed to this report.

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jllibertytown

Maybe they had ongoing regular communications, often more effective than meetings from my experience.

phydeaux994

What is the difference between a law that you must wear clothing to being mandated to wear a mask? Or anything else the Government “mandates” us to do to protect ourselves and others? The DUMBEST reply I heard when asked to wear a mask...”I got up this morning in a FREE Country”. You’re not FREE to endanger others Dumba$$!! 

A law is passed by the general assembly and signed by the governor. An order and mandate are interchangeable, and are made by the executive branch like a governor or DOH secretary with the power given to them by the legislature.

"It's not the governor or secretary acting unilaterally, they've already been given the authority by a law that's been passed by the legislature." They are equally enforceable.

shiftless88

Let's be clear, Bosco, Dr. Fauci DID NOT say this about 15 minutes close contact with no mask. The CDC issued related guidance when Dr. Fauci was having an operation and out of the office (and the guidance did not say it takes 15 minutes; it was guidance for symptomless testing guidance). And it is clearly incorrect to state that you have to be in close contact for 15 minutes without a mask to transfer because other wise we would not be getting this increase in case loads. I don't know about you but I am rarely in close contact with anyone with neither of us wearing masks indoors. I know someone who contracted it indoors when the ill person (they later discovered) was mask less and that was only a couple of minutes. So get it straight, eh?

NewMarketParent

Also... read up and understand the Defense in Depth strategy. Mask usage is not 100%, but highly effective. That with other measures (such as social distance) can get you really close to 100% effective.

NewMarketParent

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-76442-2

And this is why we can't send kids back to school.

KarlBickel

Here we are nearly one year into the most deadly national pandemic in 100 years and over a decade long opioid epidemic that has killed hundreds right here in our county and, ““The state calls for each county's Board of Health to meet twice a year, but it's unclear the last time the Frederick County Board of Health had actually convened. Brookmyer said it had been a number of years, and that she planned on getting in the habit of convening the board in May and October.” It seems to me that this should raise some serious questions.

threecents

How many people are in the county's Board of Health, and who do they report to? The CE or the MD Board of Health?

NewMarketParent

@KarlBickel

How is that even possible with a pandemic going on?

yogib

"no one can rember the last time they met", tells you a lot about how ill-prepared our Health Department managemnt is to do their job. Many of us have noted how weak our director has been in her leadership during this pandemic, now itis doubly clear. She is unable to lead.

awteam2000

Sounds like the Trump administration. By the way, where is Trump?

MD1756

Could it be because budgets don't reflect the reality of the needs yet we continue to increase spending on new issue when we can't even meet basic requirements. Wait until the Kirwan costs start kicking in.

NewMarketParent

And our FCPS BOE was cowardly to ping the prospect of sending children and staff back to school on her.

captainamericarules

So in all the mask controversy, did we miss the fact that the state mandates the board of health meet semi annually, yet there is no record of the last time they met? No minutes or policy discussion? Just what do they do to manage the health if the county? This tells me that we may be operating on outdated processes and policies. Maybe this needs to be addressed.

vodalone

In terms of masks, what is new here? You're required to wear masks everywhere indoor, locally I rarely ever see anyone not wearing one. Outdoor spaces and parks already have signs up everywhere about wearing a mask and keeping 6 feet apart. I don't understand what the difference in this new order is for masks, just the fine to people for not wearing one? LOL good luck enforcing that. If we are to follow science, let's follow it thoroughly. If you're on a walk alone outside and could potentially pass someone on a trail or in a park, there is basically 0% chance of getting infected. I've done the research and there has been no known case of someone contracting Covid this way. Bars, restaurants, gyms are the big spreaders, focus on heavily restricting public access to those places and you will see the number plummet.

NewMarketParent

The Venn diagram of people who rail against being told what to do, petulant adult-children, anti-vaxxers and antimaskers is a circle.

mrnatural1

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bpswp

The signs all around us say, "Mask is required." These signs needs to be amended to read, "A mask covering both the nose and mouth is required." I was at a hospital waiting room this week, where signs for required masks were prominent. However, two individuals in the room had masks, but pulled below their nose and chin. Yes, they had a mask but didn't care if they were wearing it properly or not.

NewMarketParent

@bpswp

Anti-maskers tend to be violent psychopaths and will lash out when confronted.

Greg F

T hh eg nose carries the most viral load...and you will breathe thru it if the mask is off it.

bosco

Follow the science. Dr. Fauci has maintained that it takes around 15 minutes of close contact for the virus to spread from one individual to another if neither party is wearing a mask. Passing someone on a walking trail is not gonna do it. If one is that fearful, by all means wear a mask to protect yourself. Mandating masks for all outside activities is ridiculous over-reach. Wear a mask while mowing the yard? Wear a mask while biking?

Maybe there's a good reason the county health board hasn't met for years. They should maintain that schedule.

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newspostreader

It says outdoors WHEN physical distancing isn't possible. If you can distance 6 feet then you're fine.

bosco

Mask on or mask off when passing someone on a sidewalk or trail - such as the footpath through Baker Park?

FrederickFan

Mask on when you are within 6 feet of people. On a highly traveled walking route you should wear a mask. What is so hard to understand.

Burgessdr

Ditto what is so hard to understand

phydeaux994

Make it real simple bosco. When you are out in public, inside or outside, wear a mask. Problem solved.😷✌️

Greg F

That has been revised to 10 feet.

elmerchismo1

Read paragraph 2 on outdoor masking.

stevemckay

You're correct, passing someone on a walking trail presents a very low likelihood of transmission - very low. That's why the mask restriction does not apply outdoors when you can reasonably expect to maintain social distancing with individuals not of your same family. We revised the resolution last night to match those terms that are currently in effect under the Governor's Executive Order.

Dwasserba

"...as well as outdoor spaces when physical distancing can't be maintained with non-family members."

gorelick21702123

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threecents

No, Dr. Fauci did not say that.

Rockfish

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Greg F

A cumulative 15 minutes...that is what he said. I watched it fully.

FrederickFan

Thank you for taking action to get in front of a rapid and scary increase in coronavirus cases. The FNP should publish what was actually passed. Dacey as always was unprepared and totally confused. He is not qualified to be dog catcher! If people would wear their masks and physical distance none of this would be necessary.. Don't complain about restrictions at the same time as refusing to wear a mask. It's pretty simple folks. Those who won't wear a mask are the problem!

neilyoungfan25

Dacey For County Executive 2022!!

threecents

Kiss of death on his candidacy would be a link to Blaine. Was Blaine behind Dacey's fake robocalls, or was that all the Dacey brothers?

Hayduke2

Too funny!

Frayou

Went to one of the larger home service retailers several days ago. Had to go out of my way to avoid being in isle with couple wearing mask under their chins while talking to each other. Then yesterday had to avoid two people doing same in one of the Walmarts. Then on same day experienced several people doing same at large electronic/appliance store. Repeated see these instances. It is apparent people becoming complacent, not talking serious or out rights don’t care. Not sure we need to ticket people, but we really need to remind and or education. Somewhat an irony that politicians and/or government leader taking these steps after the election. Suggest more pro-active steps should have been sooner.

Brookhawk

Really, I am pretty sick of the whiners these days. If Trump had just worn a mask from the beginning of this and told people to do the same thing and keep social distance, we would be in a better position now. But no - putting a little mask on when out in public is just too much to ask. Instead he suggested we grab guns and take over the state house because we don't want to wear a mask.

Wearing a mask is no big deal. I walk four to five miles a day and wear one. I'll keep doing it. Big whoop.

newspostreader

Brookhawk - You hit the nail on the head. We've got rising cases because he told America there is nothing to worry about. Now those of us that know better are paying for it.

threecents

And rather than admit his mistake like a man, he gives himself an A+ and calls Fauci a disaster and mischaracterizes what Fauci said.

NewMarketParent

And there are tons of people in this country that we share space with that has watched almost 1/4 of a million of our countrymen die who would still listen to anything this fool had to say. Our education system is failing us.

FyremanEd

So since Biden touches children inappropriately, it’s makes it ok to touch children. This is your logic, ridiculous.

Hayduke2

Sore loser and whiny comment

NewMarketParent

@FyremanEd

How would you know what is inappropriate, experience?

NewMarketParent

@FyremanEd

Just because you can quote Megan's Law from memory doesn't make you an expert.

threecents

Fryeman, You really are a cartoon character.

snallygaster

"On a recent hike in the county, Brookmyer noted that many people she passed were not wearing masks and didn't bother to turn their heads. "Fortunately, I can hold my breath for a really long time," she said."

Can Dr. Brookmyer hold her breath for 15 minutes? Because according to the CDC, current guidance on community exposure is defined as "Individual who has had close contact (within 6 feet for a total of 15 minutes or more)." I have yet to see any evidence that a fleeting encounter on the street can transmit enough of a viral load to infect another person. Personally, I always carry a mask and put it on in case I do end up in a situation where it's warranted, but just passing somebody outdoors on a street or hiking trail?

I think that where the BoH is really missing the boat is that they said nothing about family gatherings over the holidays. If people decide to hold their holiday gatherings as they always do, which involves bringing in family from many other outside "bubbles" into poorly-ventilated homes for at least several hours, that will definitely result in virus spread. I'm sure that legally they can't do anything about such gatherings on private property, but they could make a strong advisement against holiday gatherings involving people outside of one's household bubble.

jsklinelga

snallygastor

Good post. "Strong advisement" is an excellent choice of words. This may cause a firestorm and may actually be unconstitutional in part but the positive side is that it will heighten awareness. And that people should be talking additiona; personal responsibility to be much more cautious as cases mount.

Dwasserba

Is there any state where Thanksgiving is not a big deal? I am just trying to keep friends and fam alive, and I can't even convince people to activate the covid app on their phones, basically because "I don't want to live in fear" "exposure is inevitable" "we only have the moment, enjoy it" etc. People are "being careful, living their lives" though definitions vary a lot. A vacation in Miami here (now?!) a cross-country RV trip there...

threecents

Snally and Bosco, You seem to have misunderstood the 15 minute guidance. Do you honestly think you have to be near someone who is infected for 15 minutes to get infected? I assure you, it can take just one microscopic droplet in the air. One reason the virus is so contagious and the test for infection is so good, is that infected people have a lot of the virus in their saliva. Here is a good explanation of the 15 minute rule. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/10/09/922385856/coronavirus-faq-whats-the-deal-with-the-15-minute-rule

snallygaster

Actually, I'm well aware of the fact that the 15-minute/6-feet is guidance and not a hard-and-fast rule, which is why I referred to it as "guidance" in my post. Yes, I realize that encounters with other people need to be taken into context when assessing the risk in a situation, and yes I was being a bit facetious about the good doctor needing to hold her breath for fifteen minutes. But I do believe it's an over-reaction to hold one's breath when passing others on a hiking trail, and when coming from a medical professional it's a bit alarmist. I frequently hike as well, and when I encounter another party on the trail one of us steps off the trail to allow passage for the other (as it was in the before-times) and we pass without each other without masking up or holding our breath. In other words, we accept that small risk and move on with our lives. It's not like it's the Sturgis Festival.

NewMarketParent

@threecents

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Berryman

25 customers at once in Wal*Mart? That should make for a cheery Black Lives Matter Friday.

jsklinelga

Thank you Berryman for exposing the short sightedness' of this overreach. I hike and ride my bike on the towpath and the AT so I will not have to be subjected to this ordinance but I do see a firestorm brewing from people who are not as fortunate.

NewMarketParent

@Berryman and @jsklinelga

And that's why y'all are considered deplorable.

Greg F

Offs

stevemckay

Retail establishments, along with any other type of business that currently has occupancy restrictions in the Governor's Executive Orders, AND are not specifically listed in this County Health Order, are NOT limited to 25%/25 people. For example, restaurants (other than the bar area) and theaters are not limited to 25%/25 people. Unfortunately, neither the resolution nor this article was very clear on that point.

threecents

From the article: "The regulation limits indoor capacity for bars, breweries, distilleries, events venues and several businesses in the county to 25 percent capacity or 25 people, whichever is less."

Rockfish

1st, Thank you Councilman Dacy for your opposition to the regulation! 2nd, the regulation (as linked in article) doesn't contain a definition for "public outdoor space". I will not be wearing a mask on my own property, on my families & friends property, while engaged in recreation activities on private on property, PERIOD. If my activities private properties are considered a violation of the regulation, then come and get me! How can sitting alone in the woods hunting on public or private property consisting of 100's of acres possibly pose a threat to anyone? I understand the possible need for regulations but officials also need to exercise common sense and quit the 'shotgun approach' to addressing issues. If you're that scared of the virus, then stay home! For me, I'm not going to live my life in fear and stop doing the things I enjoy. I can make my own decisions on how to best to protect myself & those around me!!

kaihagen

Those situations are not included in the requirement.

Rockfish

Thank you "Chief Mask Cop" Hagen

neilyoungfan25

Right on Rockfish. Mike Blue said even he was confused as to what he was voting for!

DMSchobel

So did Dr. Brookmeyer intend to reference Creepshow?

NewMarketParent

Hey FCPS BOE. Your cowardice is really sticking out now.

ma23464

The CDC says 70 percent of all transmissions of Covid 19 occur in the home. The vast majority of other transmissions occur in indoor areas with heavy breathing, lots of talking or singing. So bars, clubs and gyms. Requiring people to wear masks outside, even when close to others, will have a very small impact on the spread of Covid19. Also according to liquor laws we have no bars/clubs in frederick county. All establishments serving alcohol must be “restaurants”. So I don’t know how you close or limit capacity in something we have zero of.

awteam2000

It stands to reason, you have to contract the virus somewhere outside the home then transmit the virus to family members Inside your home...

MD1756

I suspect the thought behind the mandate is because face mask wearing when near others has not become automatic behavior. Plenty of people out for walks to not cover their faces as the approach and pass people they do not know. By having a mandate it makes the practice more automatic just like using seat belts. Have you people ever heard of enforcement discretion? I doubt the police will be out enforcing the mask requirements when no one has been put at risk (similar to jay walking violations where no one has been put at risk). Calm down people and to quote Larry Hogan "Wear the dam- mask." If you don't want to wear a mask when out for a walk, then just take your walk on your own property. [note I had to change the quote because the site wouldn't let me quote Larry directly.

fnpreader123

This is ridiculous, and I don't see how it could be upheld in court. WHY would I have to wear a mask walking alone in a parking lot to get to a store? If someone is coming close to me, I put it on (even though it's practically impossible to catch it in passing, outdoors). If most of the spread is coming from gyms and restaurants, guess what.... FOCUS ON THAT! I can't stand wearing my mask outside, I have allergies, and the pollen sticks to the stupid thing. I start getting a runny nose, and sneezing, within 10 minutes of putting it on outside. Not to mention when it rains, mmmm, that feels so great! And smells wonderful the whole time I'm getting groceries. Wearing a mask is not something that comes with no real-world "consequences", it's not as simple as, say, using hand sanitizer. Masks are dirty, they are mostly there to make everyone feel nicey-nice, and can severely irritate those of us with inflamed sinuses and chapped lips. Not to mention, if masks were wonderful virus preventers, why are the numbers worse now? I always see everyone complying at the store, have only ran into one worker who didn't realize it wasn't covering their nose. No more sitting at restaurants with it off, touching the chairs and tables, and no more gyms. If they want to stop the spread, that will pretty much do it.

NewMarketParent

@fnpreader123

Do you not understand basic science?

NewMarketParent

The numbers are worse because nutters won't wear masks. This is why we can't have nice things.

Brookhawk

Nobody is telling you to wear a mask when you are alone outside. Read the article.

StoneMountain

Wait, walking down a sidewalk alone “in public,” even if I was tens of feet from the nearest person—or even if I could literally see no other people anywhere—I’d still have to wear a mask?! There is no way to catch Coronavirus like this. Come on, Frederick, science is real. This is nothing but safety theater.

vodalone

Exactly my thoughts. NO chance in hell I'll be wearing a mask when on a walk alone down the street or in a park.

shiftless88

Maybe you are hyper-aware but as I noted, most people lack situational awareness so they will be alone and then in a crowd waiting for the "walk" sign at an intersection and it will never occur to them that they need to mask up again.

vodalone

That depends. If you're walking around downtown Frederick, then yes you should have a mask with you incase you come around a bunch of people all of a sudden. But when I'm at the park walking around or on a field playing ball, no chance will I be wearing a mask and I predict most.

shiftless88

Why is this a problem? Clearly what we are doing is not working.

vodalone

@shiftless88 Why is what not working? There is no scientific proof you will catch Covid alone outside on a field. I really hope you're joking if you're suggesting to wear a mask in that circumstance lol. If not your brain needs some air, go for a walk.

shiftless88

Vodalone; what is not working is whatever we are doing now. Cases are increasing. Time to make some changes. I don't know why people find this to be a big deal. It is pretty simple to do and there is no harm in it.

Brookhawk

You might want to read the article about wearing a mask "in outdoor spaces when physical distancing can't be maintained with non-family members." Nobody is telling you to wear a mask when no one else is around.

vodalone

The initial wording of the regulation did state that, they amended it since then.

shiftless88

It's pretty simple. Walking along the sidewalk you will be going along with no one there and then someone will walk out of a store or house right next to you. It makes sense to just wear the dang thing and not have to always think to put it on. We know that most people have horrible situational awareness so we should not depend on that.

gorelick21702123

No, no, no. Casual encounters DO NOT spread the virus. It requires much more intimate contact over time.

shiftless88

Such a blanket statement is unsupported. There is still a lot we do not know about how this spreads and how it acts in the body.

threecents

OK, I'm listening. Are you saying it only spreads by French kissing? Do tell.

Aslan19

@StoneMountain, I would tend to agree with you that it is 'safety theater.' I also think that it is negatively looking at matters instead of positively. Encourage social distancing and mask-wearing when unable to socially distance and realize that there are treatments and a possible vaccine in the not distant future. Finally, we need to realize the impact that decisions like these are going to have on people who do not have guaranteed government paychecks.

Brookhawk

Read the article StoneMountain. Wear a mask outside when you can't keep social distance. If no one else is around, you don't have to wear a mask. READ.

fnpreader123

They updated the article overnight, which you can READ at the top of the page. The original article and regulation, which I read through, was a mask at all times.

mrnatural1

Quote:

"The document expected to come before the board Thursday limits indoor capacity for bars, restaurants, breweries, distilleries, events venues and several businesses in the county to 25 percent capacity or 25 people, whichever is less.

For religious facilities, that capacity would be capped at 50 percent. Fitness centers, health clubs and other similar businesses would be capped at 25 percent. Also, all gatherings of more than 25 people indoors and outdoors would be prohibited, according to the proposed regulations."

Why are "religious facilities" treated differently? They are buildings, with people in them. Depending upon 'maximum capacity', 50% with no upper limit could be an awful lot of potential COVID-19 carriers in one place.

One would think owners/operators of "bars, restaurants, breweries, distilleries, events venues and several businesses in the county" would question the gross disparity in the proposed regulations.

Aslan19

@mrnatural1, Part of the 'disparity' that you mention goes back to the First Amendment. There is a constitutional guarantee that the government will not infringe on religion's free exercise, but there is no such guarantee for businesses.

ma23464

Exactly. The county realizes they are treading on thin ice here. They have more control over restaurants and stuff because you need a permit .

mrnatural1

Aslan,

The First Amendment essentially says that government shall remain neutral when it comes to religion. The primary concern was that there would not be the equivalent of 'The Church of England' here in America.

The First Amendment does not allow religious groups to ignore the law -- laws that apply equally to all.

One example is the fire code. Religious groups must abide by it.

Here is an interesting article about the issue -- a couple quotes, followed by the link:

"Can the government, in a country where freedom of religion and freedom of assembly are sacrosanct, close churches? As a matter of public health, churches should follow these prohibitions. But as a legal matter, must they? The short answer is that in this case, government restrictions extending to churches are almost certainly legal. What’s interesting is why."

"The public-health evidence makes clear that houses of worship should limit their gatherings, whether mandated or simply encouraged by government officials. And they should do so in willing partnership rather than bitter acquiescence. Many religious traditions have some version of love of neighbor and caring for the least of these as moral imperatives. As the Christian author Andy Crouch recently advised, one of the best ways to demonstrate that love now is by suspending physical gatherings, including worship services—for the sake of our neighbors."

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/close-churches/608236/

vodalone

I wonder how they can enforce mask wearing at family gatherings during the holidays. I'm all for masks indoors and when you can't maintain 6 ft., but the proposal includes masks outside even if you can maintain 6 ft. F that.

shiftless88

I think these are guidelines. People should follow them. Enforcement will be difficult to impossible as always.

Hayduke2

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Hayduke2

Sorry shift - this was meant for jersey's comment...

jerseygrl42

Maybe we should have a discussion about the recent 16% increase in County Recordation Tax...guess they don't think folks aren't having enough pain at this time

TomWheatley

Maybe get some extra cash as people sell their houses and leave the County? I don't mind wearing a mask and I do. But mandated? No.

shiftless88

Tom; why are you so against mandated. Have you seen the numbers?

threecents

So you will wear a mask but only if they ask you nicely? As the kids say, Sorry Chief, that aint it. A lot of Trumpsters will only mask up if it they might get fined.

NewMarketParent

@TomWheatley

Ummmm

When people sell their houses, that means others are buying them so its not quite the doom and gloom that you would make it out to be.

Hayduke2

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